Jameis, Struggles And The 3-4 Defense
October 20th, 2016
Dirk Koetter spoke last year and this summer about getting America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, more experience against a 3-4 defense, something he didn’t see much of in college.
The Bucs’ offense was rather anemic against the Cardinals and Broncos this season, both 3-4 defenses, while the Tampa Bay offense was better against the Falcons, Rams and Panthers, 4-3 teams.
Yesterday, Joe asked Dirk Koetter about Jameis against the 3-4 defense. Koetter didn’t agree with Joe’s premise.
JoeBucsFan.com: Where would you say Jameis is in his development against a 3-4 defense? It seems like he’s played better games against a 4-3.
Dirk Koetter: I would just say that although on the scoreboard your statement right there is correct, fronts usually don’t dictate how a quarterback plays, that usually is more protection and run-game oriented. Coverage is usually more dictated on how the quarterback plays. So, I personally would not make that statement, but you can throw it right back in my face to point to the scoreboards. I would have a hard time arguing with that.
Ok. That’s Koetter’s unfiltered answer. It didn’t really address Jameis’ development.
Joe asked because the 49ers, Sunday’s opponent, have a 3-4 defense and, as Koetter noted on his radio show, they typically stay in that 3-4 alignment even against a three-wide-receiver set.
Whatever has flummoxed the Bucs and Jameis against 3-4 teams, Joe hopes it disappears quickly against a talent-challenged Niners squad.
October 20th, 2016 at 10:26 am
It would be much easier on Winston and his learning curve if the organization gave him some reliable weapons besides Evans. Hump is a nice role player but make no mistake there is not a single DC in the league losing any sleep over Hump or any offensive weapon not named Evans on the bucs…
October 20th, 2016 at 10:41 am
Take a look at the picture, it tells the entire story. The man has people all over him, how is he expected to do his job when he’s constantly harassed in the pocket? Worse part is that it looks like a 3-step drop.
October 20th, 2016 at 10:41 am
Ray Rice is still available and waiting to redeem himself …..we should also look at Daryl Monroe Jr, undrafted LB with crazy motor, plus local guy from central Florida, check his highlights on YouTube.
October 20th, 2016 at 10:42 am
@tmaxcon… they gave him the best extra point kicker in the history of the college game. What else does one need?
He had one of the best rushing attacks last year and a better than average o line. He’s got a great wr in evans and a good slot. That’s better than most but yes, we need a speedster wr2 and a TE. I hope as we come off the bye and see him get better every week. He really struggled the last 6 games last yr without vjax and accuracy has been an issue. Maybe we get martin back in a few weeks and the quizz can hold up 2 more weeks of workhorse action.We need this game bad!
October 20th, 2016 at 10:49 am
Football Outsiders ranks SF as 28th against the run and 16th against the pass (23rd overall – very similar to where they have the Bucs overall). The Panthers are 6th vs the run AFTER playing the Bucs. We ran it down the Panther’s throats with a player off the street, but how? Were we just more determined or was there something else going on? It will be interesting to see what we do vs SF with the run, because you know we are bringing it, as do the the 49ers!
October 20th, 2016 at 10:49 am
Geez making excuses for him just like JF. Start but scanning the field and finding the open guy like Brate or Humphries. Take off the damn FSU blinders . There’s times when he has solid protection and makes the wrong read or throws one six feet over a guys head. Are we Buc fans or does all things FSU matter the most?
October 20th, 2016 at 10:55 am
3-3.
Bucs 17 SF 13.
October 20th, 2016 at 11:06 am
mike n
where is that run game now. it was a mistake to count on a RB with significant injury history. Should have been a better plan in place knowing full well that martin and vjax would miss games. That is my issue. This was not a surprise nor unexpected development. What is disappointing is the team / licht did not prepare for the obvious. Same at DT and DE no reason to believe either of the positions were going to stay healthy… to many gambles at too many key positions.
October 20th, 2016 at 11:09 am
Chris…like I stated last Sunday. Aaron Rodgers was throwing balls over his wr’s heads too.
When he had plenty of time.
Pretty sure they’re aren’t too many GB fans like you in Wisconsin.
Go Bucs!
17-13!
October 20th, 2016 at 11:11 am
EXCUSES?!?! Do you NOT see the picture Christopher?
October 20th, 2016 at 11:21 am
Americas most consistently inconsistent
October 20th, 2016 at 11:26 am
Excuses…. And what you COULD be seeing in the picture is Winston holding on to the ball again! How do you you know it should not have been thrown already? I can see what I want to see also.
October 20th, 2016 at 11:29 am
The 3-4 teams that you mentioned have great secondaries and the 4-3 teams you mentioned don’t.
October 20th, 2016 at 11:39 am
Aaron Rodgers has a history of success in the NFL . MVP, Super Bowl champion. Please don’t compare until your guy actually does something
October 20th, 2016 at 11:41 am
Even Joe is actually starting to question him,,,,,,I can’t believe Buc87 can be objective on Shankguyo but not on Jameis.
October 20th, 2016 at 11:45 am
Bird Says:
September 13th, 2015 at 8:13 pm
September 13th, 2015 at 6:44 pm
Hey. I will make sure and be in a few articles so joe can see. I don’t care if it’s one game. Jameis looks as slow as a damn cow. I know bucs needed qb but preferred Mariota over Jameis. The way joe bashed Mariota and praised Jameis every day since today was
Comical. Even the other day with the dick lebeau article joe made sure to call out the remaining Jameis haters. Again I hope things get better but think I have seen enough after one game. I knew Jameis would throw a pick or two a game but didn’t realize he would look this bad. A liability.
Joe u are a moron and I can send u a big dog terd if u promise to eat it. The bucs should ask u before the draft who u like and go the other direction. Aka Johnny football. So funny how joejameisfan.com has produced 18 articles a day about his man crush and attacked anyone who said something negative about Jameis. Joe will right that people will be upset with Jameis after one game. Again. I already know how this plays out. Look at previous post. I knew Mariota would be good
October 20th, 2016 at 11:45 am
When there is pressure, qbs audible to their hot reads…
Mostly slant and los screens/picks to their quick rac receiver
We dont have them receivers like eli to obj 5 yard slant for 66 yard td
We dont have them and koetter the clown system doesnt have these routes…and the reason of jameis regression
This is the modern day era of nfl offense but our genius jason gump instead wants basketball players to play fooketball
Thats fooket ridiculous
October 20th, 2016 at 11:47 am
@tmax i agree with 100%. You can’t go into the season without a back up plan for Martin and vjax. Sims is not a back up every down back. He is a nice compliment. Would have been smarter to go with jay howard in the 4th rd .
Our GM knew Martin and Vjax have only been healthy 50% of the time the last 4 years and did nothing. Thank goodness quizz was on the street… hope he can keep it going
October 20th, 2016 at 11:48 am
Yes Chris and the point is….what?
The point is even successful QB’s overthrow WR’s and OURS is still young.
So once again… Chris the fan who said he will no longer BE a fan after the Broncos loss as he trashed OUR team is in here running his yapper about OUR QB again.
The point is what again?
October 20th, 2016 at 11:55 am
It isn’t about who runs a 3-4 or 4-3…it’s about who runs their defense well. The Cardinals and Broncos have excellent defenses. The Panthers haven’t played well on D this year, the Rams haven’t been great, and the Falcons are almost never any good on D. We played the Browns in preseason and their 3-4 and it was about the only time our first string offense didn’t look like complete dog doo doo.
October 20th, 2016 at 11:57 am
Vjax only healthy 50% of the time? Get that ignorant trash out of here.
He got injured last year, obviously didn’t fully recover.
Three 1000+ yard seasons before that, get your facts straight.
As for Winston, he has to play better and oline has to protect better. They both play bad against 3-4 schemes.
October 20th, 2016 at 12:01 pm
I think there was an article that said Winston gets hit on 33% of his drops. Imagine if you’re at your job and get hit every third time you do whatever it is you do.
Don’t care how tough you are that’s gonna fk with your mind.
October 20th, 2016 at 12:06 pm
How is jameis suppose to play better
He doesnt have the weapons
U need talent in this game
Blanket evans and stack the box is what there doing
What is he suppose to do?
Acually starting sunday , the new #2 reciever will loosen the coverage little bit more because vjax wad a lug who couldnt separate but run wrong patterns
This offensive system is not qb friendly
October 20th, 2016 at 12:09 pm
No, I believe there are two Chris’s in here 87. I personally never said I wouldn’t be a fan. I’ve said its hard to be a fan with the same inept dealings year after year. We are a bad franchise. You can continue to believe blindly we are on our way up. But I’ve been at this site for years. After the point of no return, when it looks like we won’t be .500 like your your prediction. You will turn, probably blow Koetter up, or Licht but you won’t turn on Jameis. We make bad decisions, extend an injure on his way out VJax, extend an often injured Martin, draft a kicker. Strike out all the time on qbs . We are the Browns of the South, until proven differently. And no, no squeaked out win against a bad team, gift wrapped with 4 tos won’t change it.
October 20th, 2016 at 12:14 pm
*the offensive line needs more experience vs a 3-4 defense
October 20th, 2016 at 12:18 pm
But hell, the Browns had Bernie Kosar and Brian Sipe, we’re still waiting on our franchise QB
October 20th, 2016 at 12:33 pm
“I miss jon robinson soo much” darcie glazer
October 20th, 2016 at 12:35 pm
This game scares me. I mean, I’m a Bucs fan, so they all do. However, this is a game that we should actually be favored to win and anybody that watches NFL football should know we should be the better team. With that said, we seem to play to the level of our competition. We take out the defending NFC Champs in their house on MNF but get our doors blown off by an Arizona Cardinals team that has been up and down. We need to finally have a complete game that has offense and defense clicking. If there ever was a game to do that, it’s this one.
October 20th, 2016 at 12:44 pm
@ Chris
Sure….many of the things you say are absolutely true…..but you could choose to state the positives….like…
We won our SB when we got there.
We have some great young players with outstanding potential.
At least we won on Monday night etc….etc…etc.
It’s like having a wife who used to be thin and pretty….
Do you say….”I have a fat, unattractive wife. Or do you say “I have a wonderful loving wife with a beautiful heart.”
Both can be true…..but one is far better than the other.
You certainly have every right to the negativity….enjoy it!!!
October 20th, 2016 at 2:16 pm
True Tampa Bay, I was pretty excited during the Falcons game and posted as such. It’s just the dumpster fire the last four games . It’s years of losing, that’s what’s frustrated the most pessimistic of us . On the positive, Pablos tales do elicit laughs from me. However, what happened to the real Pablo?
October 20th, 2016 at 2:19 pm
I agree with dirk….the issue is the oline….they have communication and protection problems vs. 3-4 defenses….the only thing jameis has to do is protect the ball and become a game manager until the 4th quarter when we need a play….GO BUCS!!!
October 20th, 2016 at 2:33 pm
@TBBF
My wife is still thin and pretty. lol AND she is also wonderful.
As we all should know by now, some people just like to come in here and b(i)tch. I don’t get it. I love that we have Jameis. People just dont get he is going to grow and get better, but in the mean time its a roller coaster -m he is friggin 22 ppl.
I watched Payton when he was young. One play he is brilliant. The next he throws a pick. Jameis is a cross between Manning with his love for football, and Farve for his gunslinger mentality. He is going to have his ups and downs at this stage.
October 20th, 2016 at 3:47 pm
Jameis struggles against all defenses dude is bad defense’s best friend
October 20th, 2016 at 6:21 pm
Harry, spot on!
22, younger than most college qbs.
Gets amped up, overthrows, poor decisions.
An fsu fan I know called it way back when they won the bcs.
JW needs to run around the stadium a dozen times pregame, burn off all that crazy young dude energy.
Just sayin…
October 20th, 2016 at 6:53 pm
buc1987 -holy creepy you are. Do you actually have a life? You saved a post from a year ago? And what relevance does it have?
October 20th, 2016 at 6:54 pm
The Bucs will play a significant portion of the season without JW’s intended #2 weapon (Doug), #3 intended weapon (VJax), #4 intended weapon (Sims), and #5 intended weapon (ASJ). They’ve been replaced with 3 UDFAs and a FA off the street. Tough environment for a young QB’s development. If any can do it, JW strikes me as having the work ethic, intelligence, and drive to make it work. We’ll see how he does, though.
October 20th, 2016 at 7:01 pm
Bird
Are you serious or is that sarcasm? If not let me answer. Yes he saved the post from a year ago. He printed it, mailed it to himself and posted it with some scotch tape until he needed it again. Let me guess trump voter?
Holy Christ I need to move back up north I can’t deal with you people. WOW!!!
October 20th, 2016 at 7:14 pm
@DB55
LMFAO, the way the post office is today (and any other business the government runs, ie; Obama care) I am surprised ’87 got his mail so quickly…
Yes, mine was a Trump voter kind of comment… lol
October 20th, 2016 at 7:15 pm
@Spacebuc,
Thank you sir. I am surprised some can’t see something so obvious. Do ppl expect franchise QBs to come out of the womb throwing TDs?!
October 20th, 2016 at 7:50 pm
DB55
Please. don’t move back up north. Just jump off the st Pete bridge. Sorry did I make a comment about your buddy 1987. You guys comment here all the time (we all notice) so you have a right to talk smack about others people comments. DBclownshow
October 20th, 2016 at 8:12 pm
@Bird,
I have to stick up for ’87 as well, not that he needs it. First, its not all that hard to look up (Google) a comment someone makes. Second, if ’87’s comment were not directed at you, you might have appreciated the fact ’87 did a little homework for his post, instead of the typical comments on here that ppl make that are not only stupid, but also unfounded and inaccurate. You know, kind of like yours…
October 20th, 2016 at 9:48 pm
Bucs had a bye last week and what should be a bye this week with 49ers
Most likely Bucs will not get true since of Jamis this week as 49ers D is not
true test. This season he looks like a average 2nd string QB Not the 1st pick in NFL , He is not fast and seems to be quick to throw as D rush him, I think he is spooked by size and speed of NFL Defence but that is me, Bust in making!
The sooner Bucs figure it out the sooner Bucs can make changes.
October 20th, 2016 at 10:09 pm
Sorry. Harry in costa
Rica. You know Your
Right. Your posts are insightful and everyone really appreciates them. Keep em coming. Maybe joe bucs fan can give you a spot too.
You sound about as fun as having diarrhea