Still 28 Percent Rockstar
September 3rd, 2016
After three Jason Licht drafts and deep dives into free agency, and two head coaches, the Buccaneers’ 53-man roster still has a big percentage of links to its former boss.
Fifteen current Bucs were secured by former rockstar GM Mark Dominik.
That’s 28 percent of the team.
Joe’s not sure what that all means. But it should tell the too-large crowd of Dominik bashers — that includes you, eye-RAH! — that Dominik wasn’t the bumbling GM they think he was.
Heck, it would be 30 percent if Darrelle Revis wasn’t cut.
It’s too easy to forget that the Bucs started 10 rookies in 2010, and that was the first team since 1970 to start at least 10 rookies during a full season and post a winning record.
Joe believes GMs shouldn’t be blamed for crappy coaching, or lauded too much for victories. Their job is to serve up talent to the head coach.
Dominik did plenty of that. And while he wasn’t an elite general manager, he certainly was better than many around the league.
September 3rd, 2016 at 10:17 pm
This bum passed on Luke Kuechly for MARK BARRON. Thats why his ass unemployed.
September 3rd, 2016 at 10:20 pm
Oh dear Joe. Love it but another post that gets people steaming! Ha
September 3rd, 2016 at 10:21 pm
NG
September 3rd, 2016 at 10:21 pm
Btw I wish we still had Barron, Revis, Penn, Zuttah, etc etc etc
September 3rd, 2016 at 10:23 pm
Stop with the ignorance people.
The sitting on your asss while talking out of it in hindsight.
Almost every pick in the top 3 rounds were not met with people screaming and complaining. Most of you liked the picks. A year or two later if something didn’t pan out, then and only then did MOST of you start biotching about taking this player over that player.
Whatever.
It’s a crap shoot. Most the D Linemen taken under Mark D people loved. Most didn’t pan out. Oh well
September 3rd, 2016 at 10:29 pm
Preach the truth Dave!
September 3rd, 2016 at 10:32 pm
Jason Licht, the paper champion. The Dominik story? No QB = no more job.
September 3rd, 2016 at 10:37 pm
Sign Ruben Randle! !
September 3rd, 2016 at 11:09 pm
Doms last draft was just over 3 years ago Joe. And he was here for the previous 5. Its not like he’s been gone for 5+ years.
Dominik drafted exactly 3 very good players in 5 years. I’ll give him Doug Martin and LaVante David. (although I myself had my eye on and wanted both in that draft – especially LaVonte). My 98 year old grandmother would have made the McCoy pick – so he doesn’t get credit for GMC falling into his lap. He signed VJax to a big deal and that worked out really well so we’ll give him that one too. 4 very good players out of 53 on the team is what Dom contributed.
The rest are just a bunch of hangers on and back ups.
Will Gholson, Akeem Spence, Kieth Tandy and Mike Glennon are all serviceable back ups I guess. Dom spent two 4th round picks on #4 TE Luke Stocker who is still around. 2nd round pick Banks barely made the roster by the skin of his teeth. Mike James almost got beat out by a UDFA rookie this year but is still hanging around.
OK – so he found 4 very good players in 5 years that are still helping the team 3 years later. Wow – amazing!!
What about all the blown high draft picks? Barron over Kuechly at #7 overall is the glaring turd in his draft resume punchbowl – but what about setting the Franchise back 5 years with the pick of 1st round QB Freeman? Adrian Clayborn in the 1st round? Bowers with a high 2nd round pick? Benn and Price – both in the 2nd round of the same draft? Oh lets not forget 3rd rounder Myron Lewis who Dom refused to let coaches cut for 3 years…
Where’s all this “talent” that Dom “served up””plenty of”?????
Lame argument Joe – Very Lame!
Dom sucked as a GM and the only evidence you really need to prove it is that he hasn’t sniffed another NFL job since being fired 3 years ago.
September 3rd, 2016 at 11:11 pm
There is some good talent out there. Why is Licht not picking up much needed depth? Why are we not getting some of these folks in here today for a visit. We need to claim:
4th & 5th receiver Dobson or Hunter should push Shepard to 5th and SP only.
3rd RB – Forsett or Hillman or Sankey should push James by week 2 to 4th RB.
I would feel much better if we had these guys as our depth with one of our starters go down for any extended period of time. Plus good to get some fresh legs and compitetion in the mix.
Hope we sign PS
TE Dan Vitale, LB Luke Rhodes, WR Freddie Martino, WR Jonathan Krause, RB Peyton Barber, C Josh Allen, DE Kourtnei Brown,
September 3rd, 2016 at 11:11 pm
He made some bad draft picks, Jason Licht made some bad draft picks. That’s the life of an NFL GM in the NFL ( Not for long). We really can’t blame the GM for the Bucs, they are mere puppets for the Glazers.
September 3rd, 2016 at 11:25 pm
How do you know he isn’t?
Guys who were cut cannot be signed until Sunday afternoon.
September 3rd, 2016 at 11:25 pm
Me personally I don’t think we have had a good GM since Rich McKay, but this is just my opinion. The Glazers biggest mistake was letting McKay go to the Falcons. We went from McKay to Bruce Allen, Mark Dominik and Jason Licht. With McKay we were a stable franchise, loaded with talented players and great coaches. McKay had an eye for talent, his first 2 draft picks are Hall of Famers and some more are sure to follow.
September 3rd, 2016 at 11:30 pm
Pickgrin
3 yrs- and 75% of Doms players have been dumped
Several more barely suvived the purge
Dom- worst GM in the history of earth
That guy sucked
But still has one man crushed fan
Guess this proves that you can sit a pig behind the desk, put him on a GM hat- and somebody will support him
September 3rd, 2016 at 11:36 pm
don’t care how much lipstick you use Joe it’s still a pig LOL
September 3rd, 2016 at 11:41 pm
Update:
JBFmeant to title this article:
Rockstar, aka the 4th Hanson Brother, still infects 28% of this roster
Joe- You know darn well Schiano proclaimed Daquan Bowers a ten sack guy because Dominik was arrogant enough to cut Bennet for his underperforming draft picks.
28-53 Mark Dominik= William Hung level rock star
Love you Joe, love your site, and respectfully disagree with Dom. Dude stunk.
September 3rd, 2016 at 11:43 pm
Joe,
What do you think about this:
If Domink wasn’t dismissed with Schiano, then Dominik would’ve drafted Johnny Football.
As bad as the Bucs are, at least we have Jameis.
September 3rd, 2016 at 11:50 pm
Lev Says:
September 3rd, 2016 at 10:17 pm
This bum passed on Luke Kuechly for MARK BARRON. Thats why his ass unemployed.
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We have Lavonte David for that move you dolt!
September 3rd, 2016 at 11:51 pm
Barron may not have worked out here but he is working out fine in LA
September 3rd, 2016 at 11:53 pm
I’d give him some slack on the Bowers pick. Virtually everyone on this site and Bucsnation was behind the pick. He was originally projected to go in the top 5 or 10 before the microfracture issue. I would of taken him in the 2nd also. It didn’t work out but I do believe it was a gutsy move and worth the risk. I would of taken Kuechly over Barron and Cameron Jordan over Clayborn and wanted Golden Tate over Price or Benn. Price had the bad injury and imploded when his sister died. Not all Dom’s fault. I too would of taken Lavonte, Doug and of course Gerald. I was behind the Banks pick also. The book has not been written on Jonathon but even I will admit it doesn’t look good. All in all I wish I would of been drafting instead of Dom.
Jason so far is doing much better. Getting Spence in the 2nd round was awesome. I would of moved back to 20 in the first round for Spence. The Hargreaves pick looks awesome. Like everyone else I don’t understand not getting a receiver in free agency or with a draft pick. Evan Spencer making this team pi$$es me off. I would get at least 2 receivers and 1 or 2 for the practice squad. It is CRIMINAL not to get weapons for Winston.
Moritz Boehringer is perfect for the practice squad. Just pay him more than the Vikings. He is a clone of Vincent Jackson. Of course he’s raw, but look at the measurables and the desire.
September 3rd, 2016 at 11:55 pm
The fact that Dominik hasn’t even received a sniff from another NFL franchise since he was fired in Tampa tells you everything you need to know. Sometimes the most damning information is gained by reading between the lines.
September 3rd, 2016 at 11:57 pm
And his boy Hickey flamed out in Miami before you could even blink, too.
September 4th, 2016 at 12:02 am
So is it good or bad that a quarter of your team is retained after 3 years?
Sounds horrible to me
September 4th, 2016 at 12:08 am
Might of moved up for Derek Carr or Bridgewater but never would of touched Johhny Football. Never believed in the kid.
Estatic we have Winston. Originally wanted Mariota but came around to Jamies just before the draft. Wanted Evans of course.
The next 1st and 2nd round picks better be a receiver, saftety or TE or I’m gonna implode.
September 4th, 2016 at 12:33 am
What if Jonathan Banks was cut, Joe? lol
September 4th, 2016 at 12:38 am
LakeLandBuc Says:
September 3rd, 2016 at 11:25 pm
“I don’t think we have had a good GM since Rich McKay…The Glazers biggest mistake was letting McKay go to the Falcons….McKay had an eye for talent”
In case you haven’t noticed, The Falcons have not drafted well at all for quite a few years. Which is exactly why they are not very good.
Would you rather have Licht’s picks the last 3 years or the Falcons? LOL That’s a self answering question isn’t it LakeLandBuc?
September 4th, 2016 at 12:41 am
LakeLandBuc
McKay was not a good gm… he was a politician good with league matters. He was striped very quickly in atl of gm duties and represents the team with league. Whyce built dungy’s defense
September 4th, 2016 at 12:41 am
Clayborn in the 1st round? Bowers with a high 2nd round pick? Benn and Price – both in the 2nd round of the same draft? Oh lets not forget 3rd rounder Myron Lewis who Dom refused to let coaches cut for 3 years…
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Yeah, he took chances on hurt players in Claiborne and Bowers coming out of college. Licht did as well with ASJ, so can’t totally knock him, but as a GM, I am not taking a flier on a guy with one arm shorter than the other due to a condition….no disrespect.
Everyone has failed to mention as well that it was Dom who cut Derrick Brooks. How do you cut arguably the teams greatest player (or one of them) in franchise history???
You don’t give him any options besides cutting him??? Still galls me. Rockstar status revoked on that one, Joe.
September 4th, 2016 at 12:46 am
feelthepewterpower
Brooks getting released the way it went was horrible. He was DONE as a player but the they handled it was bad. Don’t blame dom blame the glazers dom was just the hatchet man
September 4th, 2016 at 12:48 am
Dom cut Derrick brooks AND he drafted and he resigned Quincy Black.
What about the RB Derrick Ward.
Dom sucked fierce level arse, cmon Joe. 👍🇺🇸😀
“I like to call him the 28-53 Mark Dominik” -Ira Kaufman a true boss
Joe, will you pretty please have a Josh Freeman segment on your JBF podcast with Ira. I am not asking for the dirt, though it would be nice, but I am extremely curious to get Ira’s assessment on when he knew JF5 was done.
I knew during he first drive of the 2013 season, after he failed to get on the team bus, and he couldn’t call a play be his headset was out. A professional phucking QB couldn’t even call his own play in year phucking 4.
September 4th, 2016 at 12:49 am
“it was Dom who cut Derrick Brooks”
I agree that was way messed up. You let a guy like Brooks leave the game on his own terms. Getting rid of Sapp and Lynch over $ was bad enough. But Brooks?? The best, most durable, most consistently excellent, most honorable player that has ever worn Buccaneer colors?? You cut him and give him no options??
SMH Bad juju man.
September 4th, 2016 at 12:54 am
tmaxcon Says:
September 4th, 2016 at 12:46 am
feelthepewterpower
Brooks getting released the way it went was horrible. He was DONE as a player but the they handled it was bad. Don’t blame dom blame the glazers dom was just the hatchet man
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The Buccs owners don’t typically get involved. Come on, now. Dom might have went to the Glazers for their blessing, but the Glazers aren’t going to say “hey Dom, why don’t you cut one of franchise’s greatest players and best community leaders, we need to save money for this Man U franchise.” Probably didn’t go down like that lol
September 4th, 2016 at 12:55 am
Brooks, btw, I don’t think ever said he was done…..we’ll agree to disagree on that one.
September 4th, 2016 at 1:15 am
Somewhere Drome and 813 are partying like crazy as their love of a lifetime Lovie won his opener today.
September 4th, 2016 at 2:37 am
Well on the Bright side our team looks good right now but Mark Domink isnt even very good on espn tv even..
September 4th, 2016 at 8:02 am
While dominic has more than his share of bone head moves he did set the table just a little with McCoy,LVD and Martin.Bruce Allen had a far worse drafting record.I liked Zutah,he was a good pick.Talib was and will always be a headcase.Davin Joseph was a good player also.Bruce Allen was the wrecking ball that jettisoned Sapp and Lynch.Fact is there were a lot of over the hill
bums on the team in the Gruden,Allen era.
September 4th, 2016 at 8:27 am
ok NDog
I’ll bite ,what powerhouse team did they play?
September 4th, 2016 at 8:32 am
The guy gave a $10 million guaranteed contract to Michael Clayton….
….your post is completely invalid.
September 4th, 2016 at 8:37 am
…. LOL…. so funny….. just looked at my “On This Day” on Facebook and on this day in 2010, the Buccaneers announced they cut Michael Clayton. My post read: “IT’S OVER!!!! THE MICHAEL CLAYTON ERA IS OVER!!! I feel like I just got paroled!!”
September 4th, 2016 at 8:42 am
I think cutting Lynch was the worst of them all. They all hurt, but Unlike Sapp and Brooks, he still had plenty of gas left in the tank, proof of the 2 or 3 more pro bowls with the Pats and Broncos. #Long live the Hitman 47.
September 4th, 2016 at 9:36 am
Yes Joe and we still suck. lol
September 4th, 2016 at 9:36 am
a couple of those players I mentioned above:charlie Garner,and Tim Brown.
Then in one of the most laughable signings in our history:
Bruce allen signed Todd Steussie to 6 year 20 millon dollar contract with a 4 million dollar signing bonus.He only started 5 games that year. He was cut and resigned for league minimum the next year.
September 4th, 2016 at 9:45 am
I know I sound like a broken record but this is critical.
You can’t judge a lot what went on with the Bucs during Dom’s regime. Coaches, players…cheerleaders and fans all contributed to making the entire Glazer clan wealthy for life.
I do not say this in disparagement of the Glazers. Who wouldn’t secure their EXTENDED family’s financial future if they could.
But make no mistake! The Man U leveraged purchase put a lot of strain on the Buc’s franchise. Made sense for the Glazers but they were the ONLY ones.
Hurt the franchise…hurt the fans…and hurt the reps of some decent people who got caught up in all of that.
Of all the people who were sucked into that vortex however I feel sorriest for Rah. I think he had and has potential. He was clearly not ready for the HC position when he got it but do we expect him to turn it down. I always liked Rah and hated to seem him ground up in the Man U sausage machine.
Dom was a victim of the same era so it’s really hard to make any good judgements about his performance. His hands were tied..he and coaches became desperate and desperation leads to bad decisions in any organization.
September 4th, 2016 at 10:17 am
So….Joe…..you would take Dominick back? Who here would trade Licht for Dominick now?…….
Let’s look at it another way. Dominick has been gone 3 years and 72 per cent of his players have been replaced.
September 4th, 2016 at 10:25 am
McKay was the best GM by far it’s not even debatable . He was Excellent in two areas and didn’t miss often!! He identified team needs and addressed them in many many ways but rest assured he idenified them and they were addressed.Shelton Quarles ( CFL) Starting left tackle ( June FA below market$) Starting wide outs (two free agents and a trade). Drafted several pro bowlers but also really really strong corners including hybrid Smith.Lets not forget FA S Rice !!!which leads us to this ………. Teams are not built through the draft that is 100 percent BS ,Total Bs…………. Now on to McKays second strength and that was correctly assessing and resigning his own picks , he was the best in the NFL bar none , period , end of story ;at this!!! He time and time again kept the players that fit the team in house for a second contract and often did it very early rewarding the player but saving cap dollars so you could have a S Rice……… Most teams in the NFL struggle with this concept, hell look at Cleveland right now they have all these picks to go build through the draft but how many picks from the past 3 or four years are with the team and five years from now if half there picks are not with the team they will not be a contender!!! As you need to use all tools to build a team and most GMs only are comfortable in one or two areas where as McKay was great in all areas……….. He traded away unneeded talent , signed early free agents , worked late free agency like a cat, traded for specific talent, resigned his own players, worked early deals saving cap space and hired some dam good coaches…………He prob wasn’t the upper tier of talent guys but he had some luck and from there he was the Best , hands down in the League…………… Teams are built by resigning your own guys to a cap wise second deal and adding the right 20 to 25 free agents and prob a key trade or two!!! McKay brought the Super Bowl to Tampa , Not Dungy , Not Gruden ………It was Rich McKay who built the team, he also fired Dungy when he wouldn’t get out to his own way !! Rich McKay worked the deal to get a coach in here to properly direct the team and he was right, when properly operated he had built a Super Bowl Team…………. The lil receiver that daddy brought in eventually became the GM that built and brought Tampa a Super Bowl Winner!!! The Glazers let Gruden be the ass that he can be and that ran McKay out of town and you see where that has landed the Glazers!!! But let’s give the guy the dam credit he deserves Rich McKay built every single piece of that Super Bowl Team and He did it in Many Many Ways !!! Dungy and Gruden should forever kiss his south side as he paved there career paths !!! Thanks Rich for the Architechual Masterpiece of a team you built for Tampa !!!
September 4th, 2016 at 10:53 am
thanks lev, perfect first post, enough said……
September 4th, 2016 at 11:13 am
In December 2003, McKay left the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and was introduced as president and general manager of the Atlanta Falcons. In his first season of directing operations, the Falcons went to the NFC Championship Game against the Philadelphia Eagles. In January 2008, the Falcons hired Thomas Dimitroff as general manager, relegating McKay to the position of team president although McKay negotiated Matt Ryan’s contract. McKay’s Falcons in 2010-2011 had 9 Pro Bowlers.
September 4th, 2016 at 11:14 am
During his tenure as general manager, McKay drafted players such as Warren Sapp, John Lynch, Mike Alstott, Ronde Barber, Derrick Brooks, and Warrick Dunn. McKay constructed the 2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers roster that featured seven Pro Bowl players. Also, the Buccaneers’ 41 Pro Bowl selections between 1997 through 2002 were the most in the NFL.
September 4th, 2016 at 11:19 am
As the new general manager for the Buccaneers from 1994 to 2003, McKay directed six teams that reached the NFC playoffs and one team that won a Super Bowl title. In 1996, McKay hired Tony Dungy as head coach, and in 1999 the Bucs played in the NFC Championship Game.
Copy and paste is excellent
September 4th, 2016 at 11:41 am
If Spandau Ballet-loving ex-GM Mark Dominik liked AC/DC as much as AC/DC-loving GM Jason Licht, then I might call him a “rock star”. Let’s call him a “pop star” instead.
September 4th, 2016 at 11:47 am
Let’s not forget the Harold Bishop trade to the Browns for a second round pick, how in the heck did he pull that off ??? BTW that original third round selection , turned into a second was used to select Alstott………….. Not Dungy, not Gruden………… Rich McKay !!!
September 4th, 2016 at 12:04 pm
I don’t agree with this line of thinking when it comes to Dominik. One of the most important jobs a GM has is to be able to draft players who can become an asset to the team. Whether they become all-pros, pro-bowlers, starters, supporting players, or trade bait it doesn’t matter as long as the player is an asset. Will Gholston and Akeem Spence are good players. Same with Tandy. You can’t expect a GM to draft super stars in every round or even in the early rounds.
The problem with Dominik is that he had far too many blunders when it came to drafts and free agency. Plus, with any GM if you miss on a franchise QB you’re done. It wasn’t all bad. Some people act as if he’s the worst GM in NFL history. He wasn’t.
September 4th, 2016 at 12:20 pm
Mark Dominik failed on many levels as a GM…
1. Selecting a franchise QB – FAIL
2. Selecting a head coach – FAIL
3. Solid and smart draft picks – FAIL
4. Free Agent signings – FAIL
5. Getting to the pmayoffs – FAIL
6. Winning – FAIL
7. Getting rehired as a GM or a scout or anything NFL related – FAIL
September 4th, 2016 at 12:21 pm
Issic Haggins…laying down the law with a book!
You’re right btw.
It was a fun read, paragraphs would have been nice though. 🙂
Lot’s of Dom’s rosters landed us Schiano and Lovie. Which in turn landed us Jameis!
Still not a big fan of the guy though. So far I’d take Licht all day long over Dom.
September 4th, 2016 at 12:32 pm
It’s really sad to go to the default for losers……”their failure got us Jameis”…..true but sad.
September 4th, 2016 at 1:51 pm
LakeLandBuc
nice cut and paste job from McKay’s self written biography… I stand by my statement Just like Dungy is a one dimensional head coach undeserving of the hall of fame with a career losing record in the playoff’s McKay is equally overrated for his tenure. Whyce did more for the bucs than either McKay or Dungy. It just does not fit the narrative. The bucs were only good for about 6 years out of 40 hardly a well built dynasty by mckay. Dungy had 4 good years with good defenses but his offenses were so horrific they offset. McKay does not get a free pass for the HORRIBLE offenses he built.
September 4th, 2016 at 3:24 pm
agree 100% with Issic Haggins and Lakeland on Mckay.
September 4th, 2016 at 3:40 pm
@Issic Haggins
Hmm,i your handle sounds very familiar .remembered the name but I had to refresh the memory banks,spelling just a wee bit different from one our first recievers.
September 4th, 2016 at 3:52 pm
@tmax
Mckay could no more make Dungy an offensive mind than Licht could make
Lovie a good head coach.Neither values a good aggressive offense. They want a plodding running game to kill the clock.What would expect from a dungy ewith a tight ends coach Clyde Christianson as offensive coordinator.I’ll close with Martin Arroyo.Can you see the similarities ?
September 4th, 2016 at 10:21 pm
Isaac Haggins ………102 yd ko return ( tight man)
September 5th, 2016 at 11:10 am
I’d like to see this calculation for all NFL teams to see where it stacks up. Something tells me the perennial playoff teams have much higher retention rates from two seasons ago.