Jameis’ Kryptonite Found?
September 19th, 2016
Brutal blitz numbers.
Joe thinks very little of the PFF tribe and their convoluted grades and stats. Joe’s made that clear many times, but that doesn’t mean Joe is anti-stats.
Locally, Thomas Bassinger of the Tampa Bay Times does a nice job in the deep-mining of data. Today, he unearthed an element Joe found very interesting.
It seems, perhaps, Arizona found the kryptonite of America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston. That would be a six-man rush.
As Bassinger points out, the Dixie Chicks blitzed Jameis, too. Jameis sliced them apart. But it was a different type of blitz Arizona threw at Jameis, and when the Cardinals did employ this specific tactic, Jameis struggled terribly.
The turnovers were the products of an aggressive Arizona defense. While the Falcons’ blitz failed to derail Winston last week, the Cardinals’ blitz succeeded. It wasn’t all bad for Winston — he found Mike Evans for a touchdown in the third quarter — but he never settled into a rhythm and was inconsistent throughout the game. Credit the defense for keeping him off-balance.
So Winston handled the five-man rush well, but when the Cardinals rushed a sixth defender, his play declined significantly. Even when Arizona didn’t blitz, he wasn’t sharp.
Bassinger charted Jameis’ stats on four-man rushes (mixed results), five-man rushes (rather good) and six-man rushes (complete and total trainwreck!).
It’s really good stuff Bassinger has and it’s worth a read.
Joe knows this: You can bet an order of sushi (Joe’s reference to SoCal) that Jeff Fisher and the Rams will replicate exactly what worked for Arizona on defense. Jameis and Bucs coach Dirk Koetter have scant hours to get this fixed.
September 19th, 2016 at 2:53 pm
I thought the o line picked up the blitz extremely well. The problem was jameis not hitting open guys.
September 19th, 2016 at 3:01 pm
As above… he actually had time for MOST of the game (it seemed so while watchig but I havent watched the game again). He simply was missing OPEN receivers most of the time as well.
September 19th, 2016 at 3:03 pm
Jameis just wasn’t accurate. Even when AZ went blitz heavy the protection gave him time he just wasn’t accurate
September 19th, 2016 at 3:03 pm
Young QB rattled by a blitz? I’m shocked!
September 19th, 2016 at 3:09 pm
Guys if you think about it there is a silver lining to this game and the brutal five game start to this season.
#3 is still a kid!! Again compare his record to Drew Brees and many other great QB’s at this stage in their career.
I suspect he learned a LOT from Sunday. And here’s the deal…Young #3 is literally going to see the three best defenses in the entire league in his first five games this season. He’s already seen Carolina of course and learned a hard lesson last year from them.
Soon he’s going to face arguably the best defense in the league and certainly the nastiest on QB’s! Denver will be another lesson for young Jameis.
And so our kid QB…just over 20 games into his career will be seeing three great defenses and then have a week off to figure out what he learned.
After the bye again those 11 games with the exception of Carolina are not nearly as demanding. I think #3 is mentally tough. He’ll bounce back. But not against the Denver D or Carolina on the road. At least I do not expect it from a kid QB not even 1/4th of the way through his second NFL season.
And remember #3 came out after only two real years at FSU..and those two were muddled by his baseball. He’s got a lot of room to grow and he’s incredibly motivated.
September 19th, 2016 at 3:23 pm
Problem is that LA may not have to blitz, their front 4 is as good as it gets. They will bring pressure but it may not have to be sending the house at us to get to 3.
September 19th, 2016 at 3:24 pm
So why is it when the Bucs rush six, we give up touchdowns?
September 19th, 2016 at 3:33 pm
@stpetebucsfan….if this was last year I would agree with you….however jameis is the leader of the team….he has a year under his belt and should be playing with more consistency….the oline did a a pretty decent job yesterday and that’s the reason why the cards had to blitz not 5 but 6 defenders….the problem hasn’t been his decision making which is what young qb’s struggle with….it hasn’t been his heart because he proved to be our team leader….its his mechanics….his footwork and throwing motion is still sloppy after a year in the league…he drops his elbow and doesn’t set his feet when he throws….this is a grown mans league…the coaching staff has to get jameis playing with more consistency or we’ll be picking in the top 10 again….GO BUCS!!!
September 19th, 2016 at 3:37 pm
I think it should be noted that not only could Jameis not handle the blitz, but neither could his extra blockers. Sims isn’t as good as Doug. I have no idea if Jacquiz can block except that he doesn’t know the offense yet. None of our tight ends did very well.
September 19th, 2016 at 3:39 pm
Chris
It’s because the Cardinals can cover 1 on 1. Aside from Evans and maybe ASJ, our guys aren’t very good route runners.
September 19th, 2016 at 3:43 pm
I made a comment yesterday, about Jameis having trouble with a dime package. And some ignorant commenter on here attacked my post. But the fact is that Arizona was playing 3 Safeties and 3 CB’s.. the entire game, with only Deone Bucannon ( and undersized LB) at LB. They got 40 tackles, 4 INTS, 6 PD from their CB’S and Safeties. If you have speedy, quality players in a dime defense, it will take great coaching and a smart QB to overcome it.
September 19th, 2016 at 3:58 pm
When is Miko going to blow a gasket and unload on this team?
Enquiring minds want to know.
September 19th, 2016 at 4:06 pm
They’ll magically turn things around against the Rams. They will. They won’t get 40 points or anything like that. But Winston will play a more disciplined game and take the safety valve or chuck it away when needed. He got out of his skin yesterday. But he will be fine next week. And amazingly we’ll all calm down.
They are an average team, but that’s not all bad. They’ll win the games they should, and probably lose the games they should as well.
September 19th, 2016 at 4:07 pm
The receivers really let the team down, both picks were products of poor rec effort !! Numerous other rec failures , it’s just not a talented group after Evans and he is very inconsistent himself !! Address JW and his high throws , the high throws and inaccuracy are one and the same and are an easy easy fix. Koetter tight end talk , overblown to this pointe………. Problems going forward , no TB , it was evident that the brain trust doesn’t trust sims Operating the run game and that’s not hard for the defense to figure out……. No short yardage back( big problem) ….. The fact that Light and Koetter put themselves in this situation ( very worrisome) Answer ( resign Mike James) !! Koetter please watch his Seattle tape he will give you two additional wins this year . The Bucs need a solid runner that doesn’t put them in 2nd and 11 and looses 2 yards on 3rd and 1’s………. Martin has his place and is a Great situational runner but he also puts you in tough situations and guess what he’s out!!! If your not willing to give Barber the ball 18 times a game for the next two games then you have failed the fans and the team with your roster moves !! Eat your crow and resign James!! ………Gerald continues to blow up plays but seldom towards the actual ball , Gerald cut your penetration in half and blow up the ball not the lineman , The Dam Ball !!!!
September 19th, 2016 at 4:14 pm
If I were told that we will start 1-1 and I had the choice of which game we would win, I would have naturally picked Atlanta since division wins are the most important of all. That being said, I extremely upset with the lazy effort against Arizona and apparently lazy efforts in the week of practice leading up to it. I am sick of being a fan of a losing team with a losing mentality and fans who make excuses for it and accept the continued losing. I can accept the loss. We are not at Arizona’s level and if Jameis can’t vastly improve his accuracy, we will never be at Arizona’s level. What I can’t accept is supposed NFL players just going through the motions, letting their praise heaped on them by the media after week 1 go to their heads and then smugly accepting their pay checks. PATHETIC!!!! I am still a fan, Always have been and always will be because I won’t quit on my team even though they continuously quit on me and the rest of us. I believe the Bucs are not as bad as what we witnessed yesterday nor as good as week one. I think they are something in between.
September 19th, 2016 at 4:14 pm
Cards have a hellova secondary. I didnt see too many options for Jameis down the field. Good side of this story is that there arent too many other teams out there that can afford to blitz 6 and still cover for the pass
September 19th, 2016 at 4:14 pm
I was afraid Jameis would get exposed once we faced some tougher defenses. Carolina was pretty much the only good defense we played last year and they whooped us both times. Looks like my fears were justified.
September 19th, 2016 at 4:22 pm
Jamie’s is ok receivers need to do better we can blame jameis but jameis need speed if the receivers don’t break away from the defender thats a mute point our receivers have a tough time with good defenses, look good against others
September 19th, 2016 at 4:27 pm
Yeah will, correlation doesnt equal causality Joe. From my memory, i saw Jameis Release plenty of throws where he wasn’t in immediate danger, and still produced an errant throw. Don’t confuse me for a Jameis Hater Either, I’ve Wanted Jameis for the Bucs since Before we went 2-14, because i think he is that special. But Yesterday, he was simply off, he had numerous overthrows, and was uncharacteristically inaccurate. Granted, he and VJax were clearly not on the same page at crucial points in the game, and Charlie Sims was directly responsible for 2 of his turnovers… 5 turnovers is unacceptable for any quarterback. Especially one of Jameis’ caliber. Our Bucs have to bounce back hard, or i fear another top 10 draft pick is in our future.
September 19th, 2016 at 4:34 pm
I hope I don’t get blasted for this but here we go… The bucs are a good 6-10/7-9 team. It’s as simple as that! I was at the game yesterday and the bucs seemed scared, nervous, lazy, and what ever else you can come up with. I’m not sure if they thought they could come into Az and put a stomping down on them or if they came in scared that they would get their arses handed to themselves. I live on the west coast so I don’t get to see our bucs play much but yesterday was an absolute train wreck in person. They just never seemed to be comfortable throughout the game. I think this bucs team will do good (not great) against .500 teams and below but they just can’t handle the play of playoff teams. I think the bucs just ran into a great cardinals team that just punched them in the face and took their milk money. With that said, the cardinals stadium is beautiful, the beer was really cold, and their fans were actually pretty cool to hang out with. GO BUCS!!!!!!
September 19th, 2016 at 4:37 pm
And I didn’t see the actual tv broadcast but the bucs play of the game was when Jameis blocked the cards player (I think dudes name was cooper) and they actually were throwing punches at each other. By far the best moment in yesterday’s game haha not sure if they aired that on tv or not
September 19th, 2016 at 4:47 pm
Brett Favre had games like this as well guys. I personally think Jameis is a Brett Favre clone. It’ll happen every now and agin in his career
September 19th, 2016 at 4:59 pm
Until we get a legitimate number 2 receiver with speed, we won’t beat man coverage, and without Doug the run isnt feared, could be a tough few weeks, Rams are beatable but would it surprise anyone if Gurley destroys our defense after watching D Johnson and C Johnson do what ever they wanted yesterday, then Denver and Carolina, that’s 4 straight really good defenses, looking like it’s gonna take awhile before our players get comfortable in our new defensive scheme (I’m hoping that’s the problem), so far I’m betting Mike Smith won’t be getting any head coaching interviews….after our 1-4 start the schedule lightens up so hang in there Bucs fans
September 19th, 2016 at 5:05 pm
Maybe, just maybe, the Arizona Cardinals are 33 points better than the Tampa Bay Buccanneers?
September 19th, 2016 at 5:14 pm
ashame the bucs coaches didn’t try to replicate what worked for the patriots lol
September 19th, 2016 at 5:25 pm
Jameis had a bad day period. Happens to every QB and team.
September 19th, 2016 at 5:35 pm
Last week: Jameis is an elite QB – a once in a generation type of talent destined to turn the Bucs into an annual contender.
This week: Jameis is clearly not the answer at QB. His inaccuracy will keep him from being anything more than an average QB.
Reality: Hard to recall a 22 year old signal caller with more polish and potential as a pocket passer and a clubhouse leader, but he is 22 with just over a year of experience in the league who is still seeing a lot of things for the first time. The fact that he is having some epic games shows the potential (freaking offensive player of the week). The fact that he is having some struggles shows that he is still learning, and probably will be for the foreseeable future (like into year four and five).
He is light years ahead of most 2nd year QBs, and is still learning and maturing. This is not our year, Bucs fans. It was never supposed to be. But, if JW continues the progression, and the team continues to stockpile talent, then out year(s) is coming.
September 19th, 2016 at 5:51 pm
Jameis played about as well as Palmer did in the NFC Championship last year. Spit happens to all good QB’s. Move on.
September 19th, 2016 at 5:57 pm
It was the best of times. It was the worst of times. Watching Jameis play against the Browns in pre-season and against the Falcons last week, I thought he had finally turned the corner, where nearly every pass was perfectly on target. Then yesterday, other than the TD to Evans, nearly every pass seemed high, behind or too far in front of the receiver, including two balls tipped by the DL. So I have tried to buy into the hype of America’s QB spread thickly by most on this site. I even picked Jameis for my backup QB on my fantasy team, while Tom Brady finishes his suspension. But, I’ll have to join a few other posters here who remain concerned about Jameis Winston as our “franchise QB”, mainly due to persistent “accuracy” issues.
Finally, I found a statistical oddity, and I know that you all HATE when I share statistics with you, but I can’t resist. Our team has two young quarterbacks that have now started 18 games in the NFL. Surprisingly, at least to me, is that they both have thrown exactly 619 passes ( if I did my math right).
So after 18 starts:
JW3 is 362 of 619 (58.5%) for 4566 yds, 27 TDs and 20 INTs with QBR 82.6
MG8 is 364 of 619 (58.8%) for 4025 yds, 29 TDs and 15 INTs with QBR of 83.7
One is our franchise QB, and has won two more games than the other (7-11), and has led an offense that has scored 380 points.
The other is vilified here nearly daily, mainly for his 5-11 record, but also for his appearance and general “wimpiness”, and led an offense that scored 366 points.
Consider:
Offensive line 2013 -14 vs. 2015-16
Schiano/Lovie vs. Lovie/Koetter
VJax/Tiquan Underwood/ME13 (4 games)/Tim Wright/Louis Murphy
vs. ME13/VJax/Humphries/ASJ/Brate
? as OC vs. Koetter as OC
Doug Martin 2013-14/ Brian Leonard
vs. Doug Martin 2015-16/Charles Sims
2013 schedule with NINE opponents with 10 or more wins
vs. historically WEAK schedule in 2015
2013 schedule with several games against Top 10 defenses
vs. 2015 schedule with only 4 games against Top 12 defenses.
Let the hating begin!
tickrdr
September 19th, 2016 at 6:04 pm
@bucboi
Can you provide stats of the QB’s who did what you suggest! Master the game in 18 games? Really?
#3 is way ahead of Drew Brees at this stage of his career…ahead of Aaron Rodgers who got sit a couple years behind Brett Favre to learn…doing as well as Peyton….but I’m tired googling….the onus is on you to provide the stats and names of QB’s who are ahead of #3 and please find me ONE QB who had this game down just 18 games in.
@Bculaw Bingo!!! 18 games into his career and some of these guys are ready to jump off the bandwagon. Just amazing.
September 19th, 2016 at 6:15 pm
Nope..not buying it. Peyton Manning, New Eng QB, they all have faced the same type of rushers. And they still hit their receivers. Our O line was hanging in there tough. Jameis had time. he was just off..way off. AZ plays man to man which means you gotta throw accurate. Jameis was not even close to accurate yesterday. And I counted 3..maybe 4 touchdown AZ got which was on him. I got Jameis comin back lights out against the Rams though.I’ll be repeating this all week..MUST WIN HOME OPENER FOR US. By any means necessary.
September 19th, 2016 at 6:33 pm
Dont try to blame this on the line or the blitz. Jameis had plenty of time in the pocket on plenty of plays yesterday and he just didn’t connect yesterday. The Bucs (especially Jameis) learned a very hard lesson and hopefully they be able to correct their mistakes. I’m just glad this lesson was learned early on in Week 2
September 19th, 2016 at 6:35 pm
Tickrdr
You playing with fire but numbers don’t lie.
September 19th, 2016 at 6:37 pm
Maybe we should trade Vjax for Rashad Green. Vjax wouldn’t make the starting rotation in Jax. Smh
Karlos Williams is available too.
September 19th, 2016 at 6:39 pm
I don’t buy it. He had plenty of time. He was bad because hi had a bad night throwing. It goes back to FSU days- he throws high when his mchanocs get a little off, hence the INTs.
He will correct it, but it has always happened occasionally with him, especially to start games.
September 19th, 2016 at 6:50 pm
Maybe he could not concentrate thinking FSU would not have got an azz whipping
if he had been there!
September 19th, 2016 at 6:56 pm
One game, one loss against a really good well coached team. I still believe in this team and staff.
Go Bucs!!!
September 19th, 2016 at 7:02 pm
Look gang. He fell apart under the blitz at the end of the year. They have film on hum. Some DC was going to figure how to rattle him and did. Along with the rest of the fiasco it is 1 loss. The question is will they continue to find ways to rattle him? Will the defense ever find a pass rush? Only time will tell. Just take it 1 game at a time. They are after all THE BUCS!
September 19th, 2016 at 7:06 pm
Hmmm, this article made me think of the Offensive Coordinator from last year protected Jameis by using a multiple tight end formation to give him added protection. Where did that OC go? Oh, yeah, that’s right…He’s the head coach. Wonder what happened to his strategy…just thinkin…
September 19th, 2016 at 7:21 pm
Got to think most QBs would have trouble with 6 men rushing if the weapons around him are not explosive, and have no runing game (no Doug Martin) to burn them with a draw play once in a while. Its one game,and most teams dont have the DBs to pull off blitzing the whole game like Arizona does. Lets wait and see how the next game goes before we give up all hope.
September 19th, 2016 at 7:24 pm
Lots of reasons why the Bucs lost Sunday’s game … beyond Jameis’ poor performance. Yet almost all of the media and fans only seem to be focusing on him. Look at some of the other reasons and I suspect what you’ll find is a team that focused so much on the first game that they forgot about the second.
Bucs’ gameplan was mediocre at best from my perspective, especially the poor selection of deep passes. OLine got a lot of accolades, but their run blocking didn’t look that sterling to me while Martin was in there. TEs were a non-factor for the most part, and so were the RBs (losing Martin early-on was crummy, but Sims is a decent back when used properly). Unlike in the Atlanta game, Jameis almost never rolled out to buy time.
Defensively, the Bucs had a very good 1st qtr, and played good in the 2nd qtr until the 2-minute warning, then all %$@&% broke loose. A bunch of that was on our offense though. Still, wasn’t impressed at times with our secondary’s coverage, nor with our LBs play, or our DLine’s pressure. Point being: lots of blame to go around beyond just Jameis, but next Sunday is a whole new game. Will be there, and I’m looking forward to the Bucs learning from this spanking and showing lots of improvement. And yes … winning.
September 19th, 2016 at 7:43 pm
You can use twitter, can’t you?
September 19th, 2016 at 7:44 pm
richbucsfan:
Stocker, the blocking tight end you referenced, got hurt early.
September 19th, 2016 at 7:54 pm
DB55
you could not get a taco and fries for vjax after the last 2 weeks. I love the guy but he has no value with a 10 plus million salary and the inability to get out of his own… maybe a taco supreme that’s about it.
September 19th, 2016 at 8:07 pm
@tickrdr
You forgot Jameis 6 rushing TD’s. Something the gutless giraffe hasn’t shown, well he’s shown he’d rather run out of bounds rather than keep a drive alive. Hear that… That’s the sound of no other team in the league wanting a QB of Glennon’s caliber.
I don’t think Winston is a franchise QB (yet) but he’s much better than the gutless giraffe
September 19th, 2016 at 8:35 pm
So glad steven means is off our team….him and 3 others on philly disrespecting during the national anthem with their “black power” salute. That whole thing is about to finish me watching the nfl. If I was an owner, they would be kicked off the team.
September 19th, 2016 at 9:28 pm
@MadMax:
https://twitter.com/tj_furman/status/778033271250845696
September 19th, 2016 at 9:39 pm
tickrdr, welcome back. been missing your posts.
September 19th, 2016 at 10:05 pm
Mad max , that’s exactly why you’re not an owner.
Your sudo judgemental opinion means absolutely nothing, especially to black people.
September 19th, 2016 at 10:10 pm
@DB55:
Thanks for reading!
@ TampaTony:
I did not forget those 6 rushing TDs. Those six rushing TDs meant that Jameis’ offense scored 14 more points in 18 games than Glennon’s offense did:
380 points vs. 366 points. See above.
@BucinJax:
Thank you, and a hat tip to you, sir!
tickrdr
September 19th, 2016 at 10:17 pm
Tmax
Can we at least get one of the fancy taco supremes from ‘Cask Social’? Those are like $15, right?
September 19th, 2016 at 11:49 pm
Well, it meant enough for you to respond to me Benny. Even my best friend for decades whose black said this is getting ridiculous. Not saying you have to 100% buy into taking your hat off and put your hand over your heart (which is appropriate), but kneeling or showing the black power fist during the national anthem is taking personal opinions too far into something where its not necessary (to me, in my opinion). Like I said Im about to be done with it if this continues, so are many others.
Im pretty sure a white power salute or nazi tattoo on a players neck wouldnt be tolerated.
September 20th, 2016 at 12:07 am
tickrdr – that man LOVES him some Glennon. LOL
Have you watched any of the last EIGHT preseason games that Glennon played in? Did he stand out at all in any of those games the last 2 years?
Why do I have to keep explaining to you about the eyeball test thingy that Glennon fails so miserably? Apparently you are one of the VERY few who puts on rose colored glasses whenever MG plays and thus see him differently…
September 20th, 2016 at 1:32 am
We gotta continue to COACH the LOVIE out of them!
September 20th, 2016 at 9:28 am
I agree with numerous posters above. Everybody and I mean everybody in any sport or profession has a bad day every now and then. We will be fine….RELAX