Beckles: Media Is Clueless On Jameis Use
September 19th, 2016
Former Bucs guard Ian Beckles has a finger-wagging for local media
What’s a Monday morning without former Bucs guard Ian Beckles (1990-1996) on the airwaves and passionately talking Buccaneers football?
Beckles was doing just that this morning on The Mike Calta Show on 102.5 FM.
It was brought to Beckles’ attention that local media was hammering Dirk Koetter for playing America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, trailing by 30+ points in Arizona yesterday with the Cardinals’ defense attacking.
Do you pull Jameis in that situation, Beckles was asked. “I don’t. I don’t,” he said.
Beckles added of media claiming Jameis should have been yanked, “They never played professional sports,” Beckles said.
“This is what football has turned into. Everybody is scared of getting hurt. You know how many times Peyton Manning came out? Beckles asked rhetorically.
“Jameis Winston doesn’t want to come out of the game. I don’t want my quarterback to want to come out of the game. And I guarantee, if Dirk Koetter was looking at Jameis, Jameis looked and said, “I’m fighting with my guys.” And that’s beautiful. If you’re worried about your quarterback getting hurt for the rest of the season because he played five more minutes. It’s a long season, man. Even in preseason, ‘Oh, we can’t play our guys.’ Bill Parcells, one of the best coaches of all-time, [in some years] he used to play his starters four quarters in the fourth preseason game.”
Beckles reiterated a popular theme of his, that modern players are a bit soft because NFL labor laws have heavily restricted practice time and hitting in practice.
“You’re not in true football shape until the fourth or fifth week of the season,” said Beckles of performance, adding more work for the modern players is a good thing.
Joe weighed in on the criticism of Koetter here this morning.
Joe’s biggest beef is not with Jameis taking snaps late in the game, but with Koetter calling plays that repeatedly exposed Jameis to hits at a meaningless point in the game. There is plenty in Koetter’s playbook that doesn’t put a target on the quarterback.
September 19th, 2016 at 10:25 am
Padding the stat sheet
September 19th, 2016 at 10:28 am
I think your statement here better reflects my ire on Jameis being out there in the middle of the 4th quarter during a blowout loss. The play-calling for most of that 4th quarter was curious at best and irresponsible at worst.
As for Beckles’ rhetorical question on “You know how many times Peyton Manning came out?” I don’t know the answer to that but the Colts more than once sat Peyton Manning in a meaningless game to close out the regular season for the purpose of extra rest going into the playoffs.
September 19th, 2016 at 10:28 am
modern players are a direct reflection on how soft Americans in general have become. We have traded grit, determination and hard work for handouts, politically correct BS and labeling anyone or anything a Hater that does not fall inline with whatever the agenda of the day is. We are thin skin world now… It’s very said that Integrity has been replaced with Political Correctness. The Wussfication of ameirca has not corrupted our beloved sport of football.
this is biggest point he made though by far
“This is what football has turned into. Everybody is scared of getting hurt.
You can’t play or coach scared. Maybe if they could hit a little in practice and in the off season taking a hit in the regular game would not be such a dramatic event. I love listening to the old players calling out these modern pansy’s… The less hitting and lack of practice time is causing more injuries and I bet the numbers back that up 5 to 10 years down the road.
September 19th, 2016 at 10:31 am
So y’all gone tell me you didn’t see Teddy Bridgewater standing on that sideline wit no crutches lastnight appearing perfectly fine. Tin foil man what you wager DM22 plays next week???
September 19th, 2016 at 10:40 am
Haters Hate!
September 19th, 2016 at 10:44 am
Tmax
LMAO. Dude I think you said you’re a veteran…me too…you live in St. Pete…me too..now do we have a 3rd commonality…are you even close to my age? LOL
No nobody’s as old as me! But are you over 50.
When I was a young dude I remember hearing my elders speak just like your post. That post is as old as time itself. Every generation since the stone age..they probably carved your post onto cave walls has bemoaned what has happened to our society.
I made a pledge back then. When I became an elder I wouldn’t fall into the same trap.
Blanket statements and hyperbole are very, very rarely true. We still have plenty of toughness.
When I was in ‘Nam the vast majority of guys were just trying to survive a year to get back to the “World”. Some really gung ho lifers served two tours…3 was exceptional.
Today’s young guys and now women too serve multiple tours. And then they come home with PTSD…surprise..surprise…surprise. And what does our nation do? We force our Vets to freaking BEG for treatment through groups like the “Wounded Warriors”. There shouldn’t be PSA’s on TV for our Vets. It’s our freaking obligation. To the people who want to start wars…BUDGET for them and that includes the billions required to take care of the TOUGH folks who fight them and are injured.
Our young people face challenges we never faced. They are just as tough as we were. Turn of Fox my friend and all of the sudden the world is not such a threatening place full of “deadbeats” and “immigrants” taking OUR hard earned money.
I agree with Ian’s point about leaving #3 in the game. All his talk about how “tough” guys were in his day doesn’t impress me at all. Yeah Ian you are much badder than Ali and Donovan. You’re a baaaad man.
September 19th, 2016 at 10:45 am
You mean those old players, the 4,800+ former players, who sued the NFL for concussion related injuries. In your view they’re pansies for suing, right? You do realize concussion injuries are way down over the past five years, right?
September 19th, 2016 at 10:46 am
The panic is amazing… OMG!!! An average team commits 5 turnovers and gets blown out. Time to bail!! Unbelievable.. the D needs to stop allowing these big plays.. 3rd Down defense is good.
September 19th, 2016 at 10:54 am
Y’all sleep.. Ima help bring you out your slumber tho. I was call for this s@$!. Every week from now on I’m going point out the bull all over the league.
September 19th, 2016 at 11:05 am
So protecting the QB from being injured in meaningless minutes is soft? It’s smart and sometimes you have to protect them from themselves. Jameis would have played in the fourth preseason game if it was up to him.
September 19th, 2016 at 11:07 am
D-Rome
Injuries are NOT way down sir… Injuries in certain categories have been curtailed but soft tissue injuries especially Achilles and ACL’s are way up. Stats can be spun…
StPete
so basically I am just a bitter old guy wishing the old days were back. LOL… You maybe right… I know we are on different sides of the political coin but being old guys we can still discuss and disagree on topics with out labeling each other haters and I appreciate that. You can not say that about the younger folks these days. Just watch any news channel for 5 minutes. It’s not a democrat, republican thing it’s a shift in society. Everyone wants the handout or easy money whether that is waiting for the next law suit or taking government handouts. The most telling statistic is the average age a person leaves home is now 27 years old. I don’t know about you but when I finished high school I cold not get out of my house quick enough and I had a very nice upbringing. This entitled mindset has infiltrated the NFL sure you have some hard workers like Jameis who give us old guys hope but he is in the minority.
September 19th, 2016 at 11:10 am
These athletes are faking these injuries.
September 19th, 2016 at 11:18 am
I very rarely agree with Joe. But I do on this one. Koetter should have at least protected Jameis a little better towards game end. Jameis truly took a beatdown those last 12 snaps or so. Lose jameis and you lose any chance you have of winning games this season.
September 19th, 2016 at 11:19 am
Idk. When I look at how hard my grandpa worked when I was younger compared to hard my dad works now, it’s not even close. I’ll never forget him tilling a half acre garden with nothing more than a shovel at 72 years old. Then I look at how hard I work compared to how hard my dad worked at my age, it’s not even close. He (We) built his house with nothing more than his family as helpers. I can’t even build a decent reputation!! Then a couple weeks ago I helped my brother pour a sidewalk mixing the concrete ourselves, and I saw how lazy his son was, I can’t help but agree the wussification is as real as it gets. My nephews job was so easy. His job was to carry concrete bags about 15 feet. I would have killed to have a job that easy when I was his age.
September 19th, 2016 at 11:20 am
SMH… Jameis’ best play yesterday was that crack back block he laid down, in the fourth, garbage time. The coaches and players will watch four quarters of film this week… Not three.
September 19th, 2016 at 11:46 am
TMAX
My father was a drunken wife beater. Never hit me but made sure to demean any accomplishment I had. I joined the carnival the day after my high school graduation and never looked back.
But I have been blessed with tons of opportunities. I was lucky enough to take advantage of some but I am a YYYUUUGEEE underachiever.
Have you ever been on the sideline of an NFL game? I had the privilege of covering a Steeler-Pats preseason game at Neyland stadium. The hitting was just frightening and this was over 30 years ago. Mel Blount was the only player left from the great Steeler teams.
One thing I noticed…when players were obviously going out of bounds the defenders were not concerned with “strategy” or down and distance or even the score. They were totally focused on simply knocking the crap out of the guy and could they hurt him inbounds to avoid the penalites.
Ian if full of crap. Players are bigger, faster and the game is just brutal.
I don’t care if the player is a wimp like MG8 or a badarse like Kwon..just stepping on the field is a mark of bravery IMO.
D-Rome makes a great point…concussions! Maybe Ian has had one too many.
BTW As for bitter old man I’ll let you make that call I do not know your heart but I can see you’re a decent guy. You’ve had different life experiences than me. It’s the old walk a mile in my moccassins. I’ve had a ton of black friends in my lifetime and trust me…I didn’t really want to walk in their mocassins.
September 19th, 2016 at 11:56 am
So I’m the only person noticed when they replayed it in slo motion ME slowing down on that first bomb attempt Peterson pick offed. After stating”I’m going to be lengendary today”. H3ll even the commentator said as much. Or the linemen in the in zone on they’re fisrt touchdown pass and all the refs just so happen to miss it right. I’m the only person can recall that.
September 19th, 2016 at 11:58 am
Thus stuff is all about numerology. They’res a guy breaking it all down. Predicting superbowl winners and MVPs weeks before the big game. I’m tired, time to expose this none since for what it really is.
September 19th, 2016 at 12:02 pm
@Nos-Bos
It looked like to me not like slowing down, but he did a stutter step or two, and I am not sure if it was from contact from Peterson or because he was redirecting to get back to the outside for the ball. But by then Peterson was able to get position and used his body to keep ME13 from the ball and made the INT!
September 19th, 2016 at 12:03 pm
@Nos-Bos
Uh-oh!!!! Did you watch the Matrix again??????
September 19th, 2016 at 12:11 pm
Stpetebucsfan.. yeah you’re an old codger, not the oldest here I think. Someone was in their 70’s I believe. Your takes are good grandpa.
September 19th, 2016 at 12:14 pm
Thanks Bucfan. One thing about being older is you get to retire. Instead of waking up and going to work I get to wake up and read JBF!
Life is good! Hang in their guys. A little luck…hell perhaps a lot of luck and the good Lord willing you’ll get your turn.
September 19th, 2016 at 12:14 pm
You people make me sick, stfu already, Jameis wasn’t coming out the game PERIOD. He plays hurt cuz he’s not a pansy. In my day a concussion meant you were now ready to play and often played better.
These soft ass beat writers who can’t dribble a ball much less play football need to save their opinions bc nobody cares and it doesn’t help the team in the slightest. At least Joe played football but these other writers the only thing they’ve ever played with is a dreidel. You make me sick. You shouldnt be allowed to watch football much less report on it.
September 19th, 2016 at 12:16 pm
ME slowing down on that first bomb attempt Peterson pick offed.
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Nope I noticed it too. He needed to make a play on the ball but he got bodied by a singing nica.
September 19th, 2016 at 12:20 pm
Did Jameis get hurt. No! Quit whining about it. Yes he could have gotten hurt in the last 5 minutes of the game, hell he could have gotten hurt in the first 5 minutes of the game but he didn’t. Why is it so hard to move on from this? I don’t understand. Nothing happened but because it could have we are going to keep harping on this. Hell I could have been a millionaire if I would gotten two more numbers right, but I didn’t so why dwell on it. I have learned today that there are two sets of Buccaneers fans. Real ones and fake ones. The real fans are disappointed in a loss like this but still wear their Buc gear the next day and don’t overreact, just as we don’t overreact when we win a game. The fake fans overreact win or lose because they worry about how the teams makes them look, they don’t want to have to hear a bout a loss because they don’t want to look bad in front of other NFL fans. So they whine and whine and whine after a loss ready to disown the team, but after a win jump back on the nuts. We don’t need fake fans, if you can’t handle 1 loss the NFL isn’t for you. Go find another sport you can handle like ping pong or something.
September 19th, 2016 at 12:25 pm
I’m just getting started Realist!!! My lower self believes in this bull, my HIGHER self can no longer remain quiet. I’ll be pointing out stuff the rest of the season.
September 19th, 2016 at 12:36 pm
With Vincent Jacksons play last night, I hope we draft a WR, round 1 or 2. Mike Williams ?
September 19th, 2016 at 12:57 pm
All very good points by Ian Beckles except one: the Bill Parcels playing guys till the end of 4th preseason game. That was a different era. This whole “Play your starters into the 3rd qtr in the 3rd game then no starters play in week 4” has only been practiced in recent NFL times. Back when Beckles was playing, and before that, the 4th game was the one the NFL Starters would play the most in. NOT all 4 QTRS so Beckles makes a good point about Parcells policy, but the point is, the 4th game of the preseason isnt such a shocker because that was common practice then, and its not now.
September 19th, 2016 at 1:10 pm
I dont think any of our guys are soft. They were just out played by a very good team. Look up Palmers numbers, hes legit. Look up Fitzgeralds numbers, hes legit. How about that Arizona D? The Cardinals are on the verge of being one of the elite in the league. We just got out played. we are still along way away.
September 19th, 2016 at 1:25 pm
StPete
yes, I have been on the sideline for many games including the legendary Rams / Bucs shoot out on Monday night football. One of my biggest clients is iheart formerly clear channel. I deal with their corporate head quarters daily so it’s fairly easy for me to get access to most any event / concert. My perks are better than the financial rewards sometimes LOL. I actually was able to weasel my way into the bucs super bowl win in San Diego via one of the bands that played pregame. Yes, it is a brutal sport and that is part of its charm, if you will. Yes players are bigger stronger and faster but does not that work both ways. It’s not like these bigger, stronger and faster guys are playing against last generations players that were smaller, slower and weaker, they are playing against peers that are also bigger, stronger and faster. I fully understand the increased strength, size and speed have made the sport more dangerous. There is some credence that rule changes needed to be me but in my opinion the league has gone to far with the personal fouls and lack of practice time.
NFL Players understand the risks and make the CHOICE to take those risks. I agree the league should make the sport as safe as possibly just like any risky work environment but there has to be some personal responsibility. It It is a choice to take those risks no one is forcing them to play. Similar to smoking everyone knows it will kill you yet millions make the choice. I would personally like to see a lot more personal responsibility and a lot less law suits. NFL is not the only profession that are payed to take physical risks. Look at commercial divers always near the top of the chart for short career spans and deaths yet men / woman still choose to pursue those careers because they are lucrative. I am not saying go all gladiator and shot them full of steroids and throw them on the field every Sunday although I would buy a ticket… I am just saying let them play provide the best equipment and safest environment but injuries happen.
September 19th, 2016 at 1:50 pm
Guys, Nole on Sat. -Bucc on Sun. is officially in looney land. I can’t even make out what he is saying, but this is the same guy that said the Cardinals and Panthers weren’t any good because they played poorly in the preseason, and that we would win the Super Bowl. Now I think he is implying there is some sort of conspiracy in the NFL.
September 19th, 2016 at 3:15 pm
Sometimes the simple explanation is the right one. You don’t keep stars in the game when you are up or down by 33 points in the fourth quarter. It’s in the category of “nothing good can happen.”
September 19th, 2016 at 5:07 pm
I am in awe that anyone would take unnecessary risks with their star Qb when the game is virtually over, and since they can only possibly get 8 points if all goes well. This has nothing to do with toughness and all to do with common sense.
Yeah St Petebucsfan I understand what you’re saying and we always paid back asap, but you have to be smart about it. I used to scrimmage against Alex Karris and Joe Schmidt back in the late 50’s, never made a team though so I probably am older than you. If you lose bad like we just did that just means you got to dig deeper and get meaner.
September 19th, 2016 at 5:12 pm
I agree we need to draft a WR with speed and good hands, prefer a route runner with speed.
September 19th, 2016 at 5:14 pm
Tmax
the legendary Rams / Bucs shoot out on Monday night football.
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I was there, best game EVER, the whole stadium was shaking. #epic
September 19th, 2016 at 5:18 pm
tmax get your tough azz on the field with these soft players and see how you would last LOL
September 19th, 2016 at 5:46 pm
But what about my fantasy points? Jk
September 19th, 2016 at 5:51 pm
Week that was a horrible game good thing where gonna face them again in the playoffs so we can beat the like they did us! You heard it here first
September 19th, 2016 at 5:53 pm
Any one who is questioning Jameis desire to play for his teammates should watch the interview with Josh McNown and how he answered the question “why did you stay in the game after being injured”. His answer is basically the same as Jameis.
September 19th, 2016 at 6:19 pm
Winston was as much to blame as anyone for that garbage. He should stay in, clearly he needs more reps.