Jameis Talks Talib
September 28th, 2016
The hardest of hardcore Bucs fans will remember how helmet-wielding, cabbie-slugging, Adderrall-popping, coach-cussing, referee-charging, pistol-friendly, granny-hassling Aqib Talib absolutely owned Vincent Jackson when the Patriots belted the Bucs 23-3 in 2013.
The details were stunning and V-Jax was a stud back then.
Talib has performed like a Hall of Famer ever since, and he owns Broncos Super Bowl ring. He’ll carry that with him to the Stadium on Dale Mabry Highway on Sunday to face the Bucs.
The Broncos are undefeated. Talib already has a pick-6 this season, and America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, knows all about him.
“He is as advertised,” Jameis said when asked today what Talib looks like on film.
“You know, he’s a great guy, just his knack for the ball. Man, he has great ball skills.”
Joe is looking forward to Talib’s arrival on Sunday. He’s a fun guy to watch performing on the field.
He’s also a notorious trash-talker and is just the kind of guy to test whether the new Mike Evans, the mature Mike Evans, can maintain the razor focus he’s had through three games and preseason.
September 28th, 2016 at 1:01 pm
Perfect example of the difference between champions and Tampa. When he shot himself in the offseason you fools would have called for his head. Denver just asked if he needed a bandaid and kept it moving.
The losing culture in Tampa as much as I hesitate to say it is led by a bunch of racist hee-haws. It’s evident to everyone from out of state, you guys just don’t know you’re racists. Sorry! Most of you guys really just don’t know any better, I blame your parents and especially your grandparents.
Bo Jackson, Doug Williams, Tony Dungy, Derrick Brooks, Michael Bennett, Talib, Barron, ASJ the list goes on and on. Sad commentary indeed. You never build a championship roster bc you detest real football players bc they frighten you. You’re only interested in house n***** like GMC. #bigsmiles
September 28th, 2016 at 1:09 pm
Takes one to know one. Me thinks you must be racist, too.
September 28th, 2016 at 1:09 pm
Still glad he’s gone. We have enough problems.
DB55 that’s retarded…I’m liberal af/pro BLM etc etc I could go on and on…but wanting upstanding people representing your organization (of any kind) is not racist in the least and makes you sound like an oversensitive crybaby. Maybe when a team has the core leaders of their team culture set, and it’s producing wins, you can afford to dabble with a shady character here or there to plug some holes, knowing that the core culture will not only not be affected, but will have a positive impact on those guys, but you CANNOT tolerate that type of mindset and behavior (ASJ!!) when you haven’t yet started winning. It’s a cancer. And it needs to be cut out.
September 28th, 2016 at 1:11 pm
DAMN…I remember when he had 4picks in one game….watch out jameis he loves to under cut routes….GO BUCS!!!!
September 28th, 2016 at 1:11 pm
Db55. Your attitude is why cops get murdered, black and white. I will just bet you are a real asset to your community. Another goofball trying to play a race card when it doesn’t fit. Makes it hard for folks who really try to address real race issues. The bucs have some issues….what team hasn’t or doesnt? Get a clue and open your eyes.
September 28th, 2016 at 1:12 pm
This goes back decades, this is nothing new. I know it’s hard to admit but as a friend I want to let you know.
September 28th, 2016 at 1:15 pm
Chances are they will find ‘Quib on the floor at mons on sunday morning. If not, we know at least Jameis is planning for him.
September 28th, 2016 at 1:22 pm
DB55 – your Meds are calling – “take us – take us… we are your friend, not your enemy…”
September 28th, 2016 at 1:25 pm
I know it’s a tough pill to swallow. It’s like me telling an alcoholic that they have a drinking problem. The evidence is there but they will deny deny deny.
September 28th, 2016 at 1:29 pm
So basically what your telling me is that a town located in the Deep South with a hundred foot confederate flag hanging dead smack in the middle of 75 & I-4 does not have any racists in it whatsoever?
Come on bro who you really trying to convince?
September 28th, 2016 at 1:29 pm
The Glazers are the problem, firing the wrong coaches, hiring the wrong GM, hiring the wrong coaches. Jason Licht shouldn’t be a GM, simple and plain.
September 28th, 2016 at 1:34 pm
DB55 yes there are a ton of redneck racists in Fl. No question..just look at the polls in favour of Trump for godssakes but your argument is stupid and holds no water if all you’re saying is “letting go of miscreants like Talib makes the team and its fans racist for agreeing”. Gave you a clearly reasoned explanation why above.
September 28th, 2016 at 1:44 pm
DB55 anyone with a brain knows there is a double standard not just in sports but society at large. I just saw a recent national poll on most hated athletes in the nfl.. Jameis got twice the vote of Ben Roethlisberger lol. But you know what they say – denial is the first step to acceptance.
September 28th, 2016 at 1:48 pm
Talib is a rare talent. I miss him. His asset though, is also his weakness. He takes chances and guys who take chances can be tricked.
Is it a full moon?! This is the 2nd thread I’ve read with racial “overtones” in the posts.
September 28th, 2016 at 1:50 pm
Warren
If it was just Talib it would be a non-issue but it’s not this goes back to the days of Doug Williams and countless others.
I’m not trying to fight with you imo it’s seems very obvious. Maybe you missed the online comments section (everywhere) before we drafted Winston. Need I say more?
September 28th, 2016 at 2:04 pm
Give him the Steve Smith lesson – Ice up son!😂
September 28th, 2016 at 2:04 pm
Poor baby. So miss treated and held back.
September 28th, 2016 at 2:14 pm
With Talib in Tampa, it was far more than one issue. It seemed like at least one major issue per year, and that was just that we heard of. More importantly, people forget that he really wasn’t a good player in Tampa. He was repeatedly beat, as he gambled on every single throw. Not to mention the fact he was hurt quite a bit as well. I know it’s easy to revise history and pretend he was a Pro Bowl player with one minor incident, but that’s simply not true.
September 28th, 2016 at 2:26 pm
@Hawaiian
At some point, when we stop saying the secondary isn’t this and that, and start to look at the pass rush!!!!
Also if it was not for the “Black and White” we would not be able to read newspapers!!!!!
September 28th, 2016 at 2:27 pm
Bo Jackson, Doug Williams, Tony Dungy, Derrick Brooks, Michael Bennett, Talib, Barron, ASJ the list goes on and on.
September 28th, 2016 at 2:29 pm
If I was the bucs I’ll just use the screen game all game. As well as check downs. Convert on third down we have to keep there defence on the field if we let them breath the bucs could very well lose this game. Time of possession touchdowns check downs and third downs are the keys to winning this game..
September 28th, 2016 at 2:40 pm
DB 55- Bo and Doug Williams were done wrong by a different ownership group. Dungy was given chance after chance to fix the offense and he continually underachied with an all time great defense. How was Derrick Brooks done wrong? He is a icon and celebrated in this community. Bennett was an awful decision to be let go by an awful GM. Talib was suspended on two seperate occasions for off the field actions. Barron was an awful player at safety in this defense and couldn’t cover a TE to save his life! He’s a LB in LA and playing well.
Nothing racist with the moves each are unique and some I’m sure the organization regrets since those players are successful elsewhere
September 28th, 2016 at 2:42 pm
2010 as a member of the Bucs Talib won defensive back player of the year with 6 ints that year, 5 in 2009, 4 his rookie year in 08. In 2012 he got traded for peanuts after getting suspended for atterall. Is that correct? Funny thing is that he had more ints with Tampa than either of his other teams.
September 28th, 2016 at 2:46 pm
Talib, the guy 90% of Bucs fans wanted ran out of town after a gun charge was place against him – that charge being firing his gun at a convicted sex offender who was violating a restraining order against Talib’s sister. For that, for scaring the s out of that creep, these so called Bucs fans wanted him gone – when he should have got a medal.
Anywho Schiano gives away Talib to his boyfriend Bill for nothing, does the same thing with Blount, so called Bucs fan celebrate that and the following double digit loss seasons.
September 28th, 2016 at 2:50 pm
DB,
I would disagree with anything you said about racism, the south, confederate flag in general…. But saying that applies to this organization, especially at this point in time, is beyond ridiculous.
September 28th, 2016 at 2:52 pm
*would NOT disagree
September 28th, 2016 at 2:53 pm
@DB55,
That award you speak of is voted on by former players. It’s by no means a big award. Funny how he won that award, but wasn’t even a Pro Bowler that year (go ahead and discount the Pro Bowl, but it’s one of the first things people reference when talking Hall of Fame).
For every interception he made, he was beaten badly 2 or 3 times. You can go back and see that I defended him for a while, but after a while it was just out of hand. There were too many off the field incidents to count, and his on the field play didn’t warrant him being on the team. He got destroyed by Steve Smith nearly every time. Roddy ate him up. He was no match for Colston. You can argue with some validity that it was the team around him, but I don’t see the race argument. He needed a strong locker room with a strong coaching staff, and we had neither. It is completely wrong to draw the conclusion that he would have had the same career had he stayed in Tampa. He also isn’t the reason we live in sucktitude.
September 28th, 2016 at 2:56 pm
Unbelievable
I don’t expect many to agree with me. It is however a well established pattern. How can you disagree about the confederate flag? It’s flying high, that’s not even a debate. Oh yea the confederate flag is a symbol of heritage no ties to racism at all. I forget man, my bad.
September 28th, 2016 at 2:56 pm
And for the record, I have always thought trading / releasing Talib, Blount, and Bennet were huge mistakes. Was never on board with those moves at the time.
I thought the team should ha e suspended ASJ but obviously there’s much more to the story to straight up release a 2nd round pick like that.
Derrick brooks was certainly done wrong in how they handled it, but he never played another snap so obviously his playing days were over.
Cmon man use your head.
September 28th, 2016 at 2:59 pm
I said “would NOT disagree” on that stuff (typo in 1st post), just don’t think it applies to this organization, especially at this point in time.
September 28th, 2016 at 3:00 pm
He got destroyed by Steve Smith nearly every time.
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Great example, however Steve smith completely owned Ronde Barber his entire career and barber is a HOF candidate in many of your heads and will def be ring of honor. What’s the difference? I say it’s the smile. Ronde has a big beautiful smile. LOL
September 28th, 2016 at 3:03 pm
Every single team gets rid of guys. I’m sure there is some level of racism on every team (including the Bucs), but I have seen no evidence of anything more in Tampa than anywhere else. We hired Tony Dungy when it wasn’t normal to hire a black coach. We have hired 2 other black coaches since. We currently have a black QB with a shaky past, and we put him on the front of the stadium. It’s not like we haven’t gotten rid of white players and coaches as well. We got rid of John Lynch as well, and he went on to be a really good player. We fired our only Super Bowl winning coach because we were afraid of losing Raheem Morris!!!
Many of those players you list had major issues. I don’t think ASJ being black had anything to do with him being cut. Being a constant knuckle head did it. Talib was a knucklehead as well. Barron was terrible in Tampa. As for Bennett, that was a stupid decision, but it’s not like we got rid of him because he was black. We got rid of him because Dominik wanted Bowers to have a starting job.
Racism exists. I’m totally with you on that. But most of your examples for the Bucs have absolutely no merit.
September 28th, 2016 at 3:03 pm
@DB55,
Talib covered Smith the overwhelming majority of the snaps.
September 28th, 2016 at 3:05 pm
It applies brother. I get no joy out of my words but believe the concerns are real. If the TB culture were different we wouldnt discard talent the way we do. Look at Josh Gordon if he were in Tampa he would have been gone a long time ago but not in Cleveland. So many examples of other teams sticking by their players in tough times but not here. Here they’re a dime a dozen.
September 28th, 2016 at 3:07 pm
Well crap I’ve seen a few touchdown dances that smith did on barber. Like the row row your boat, hilarious. And the time he took the ball and started swing it like a sword. Like he was a pirate, again hilarious. Oh Smith owned barber on many occasions.
September 28th, 2016 at 3:10 pm
Respectfully disagree and if you ask anyone not born and raised in FL or Tampa they’d tell you it obvious also.
September 28th, 2016 at 3:11 pm
Talib had alot of issues plsin and simple and it was begining to hurt the team and outweigh the positives. When he got susprnded for adderall that was the last straw. It was obvious he did not respect the team or its fans and had to go. His actions made it clear that he could care less about us. We are just dome second rate team and nit worth his dedication. Now the Pats and Broncos, those are onviously teams he deems worthy of putting time and hard work into, as much as it sucks. Talib is not the kind of player you build around when trying to build a winning culture, he is the type of player you add when you’re established and are just a couple pieces away. You may disagree, but that’s just my interpertation of the Talib saga. It does suck tho, if him and Tanard could have kept clean those were some bad boys there. Not a pair opposing receivers wanted to go up against.
September 28th, 2016 at 3:14 pm
DB55- The confederate flag you mentioned isn’t on a Govt building like in NC and Missippi it’s privately owned land. Not defending it cus it disgusts me as well. But Tampa is a pretty diverse place so I’d hate for anyone to think its a situation like in the Deep South where that flag is associated with govt buildings.
The Bucs have an awful history of letting good players go and hiring the wrong coach. Doesn’t make the organization racist just makes them bad at evaluating talent.
September 28th, 2016 at 3:16 pm
@DB55,
Do I really need to go down the list of teams getting rid of players? This is just silly. Cleveland didn’t get rid of Gordon for 2 reasons. First of all, he’s one of the best WR’s in the game. Second, nobody gave them what they wanted for him. Finally, do you really want to follow the model of Cleveland? Anything Cleveland does is stupid, period. That’s almost an argument against your point. Talib was never a premier CB in Tampa. Never. Revise history all you want, it’s true. ASJ isn’t elite by any stretch. Brooks was done. He’s my favorite Buc of all time, but he was done. Why put him on the field to go 3-13 in his final year?
All teams get rid of players. Look at San Diego (Sproles, V-Jax, Brees). Are they racist too? What about New England (Revis and Talib)? Separately, teams get rid of character issues all the time. Every single team. You name a team, I will name a player they got rid of for character, or a player they got rid of they shouldn’t have.
This organization has had more black coaches, QB’s, and front office staff than any organization I can think of. I could be wrong, but I bet I’m not. Teams hire and fire people. White, black, blue, orange, if you don’t win, you will be fired. Simple as that. Have some players and coaches gotten a raw deal? Absolutely. But to say that it’s because of a racist culture in Tampa is pretty ridiculous.
September 28th, 2016 at 3:22 pm
Yup you nailed it DBag55. Don’t like a guy who gets suspended for PED’s, talks back to refs/coaches, and shoots himself in the leg. The only reason MUST be because he’s black right? I bet you are the kind of person that screams BlackLivesMatter while attacking the person who claims AllLivesMatter.
September 28th, 2016 at 3:29 pm
AllLivesMatter is f@cking ignorant and completely misses the point, FWIW
September 28th, 2016 at 3:35 pm
@unbelievable
How is it AllLivesMatter any more ignorant than BlackLivesMatter? 5 white people were killed by cops the same day that Keith Scott was killed, but who cares about that right? We should be hearing “X number of people killed today” but apparently it only matters if you are black? All you are concerned about is the race, not the case.
September 28th, 2016 at 3:44 pm
Good convo guys. Like that we can keep it civil for the most part. I look at the talent that has left and it reads like a virtual all star team. But hey at least we kept GMC his 1 tackle per game will really take us places. Yippie!!!
September 28th, 2016 at 3:52 pm
@DB55,
I agree we have gotten rid of a bunch of good players, but I attribute that to stupidity and bad luck rather than racism. Again, I’m sure there is some level of racism that exists in the NFL, but to single out the Bucs is simply unfair, and there are no reasonable facts to support it.
As tempting as it is, I’m not going to get into it with you about McCoy. You think what you want, I’ll do the same.
September 28th, 2016 at 3:53 pm
DB55
You worry about race idiot? People like YOU are the people keeping it going. By the way. Look up Redneck! Learn what it means. We do not get pissed because you call us a Redneck. White man says the N word to a black man it’s war. Black man says it to a black man it is fine? You are a fool! The real problem is in your own backyard.
September 28th, 2016 at 4:04 pm
^^^^^^^ Lol, exhibit A. ^^^^^^^^
September 28th, 2016 at 4:15 pm
@BucFan20,
Whatever point you are trying to prove, you did an absolutely horrible job, and pretty much just proved a lot of what DB55 was trying to say. SMH
September 28th, 2016 at 4:28 pm
@Hawaiian Buc
I have been in several locations hand black men laugh and call each other the N word all the time. You don’t want the word used used nobody use it. That simple. Got it now? A Redneck ? Well you can look that up. You can shake your head all you want.
September 28th, 2016 at 4:42 pm
@BucFan20,
I would assume there are things your wife can call you that other people can’t. Your brother can probably call you an arse hole, but if I said it it would have a different effect. You can say things to your kids that you don’t want others to say. Make sense? That may go over your head, but that’s simply because you don’t want to understand it.
I’ve lived a large part of my life in Hawaii. I am a white guy that went to a school that was literally 1% white. You hear stories of whites getting beat up all the time in Hawaii. Guess how many times it happened to me? Zero. You want to know why? Because I respect the culture and follow the unwritten rules. People that choose to not do that are the ones that get in trouble and get the sh%t kicked out of them.
You obviously have a very close minded attitude. There’s nothing I can say to change that. But that right there is the very reason racism still exists. You only want to believe what you want to believe, and you refuse to listen to the arguments of others. YOU can shake your head all you want to that.
September 28th, 2016 at 4:59 pm
Nice try Hawaiian.
But I am not going to use the sports site anymore and argue political correctness.
September 28th, 2016 at 5:05 pm
“Nice try Hawaiian.
But I am not going to use the sports site anymore and argue political correctness.”
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You sure didn’t have a problem doing it when you said your piece. Now when someone puts you in your place, you no longer want to play. Got it.
September 28th, 2016 at 5:09 pm
You did not put anyone in their place. I could argue with you for a long time. You have your opinions and I have mine. But that solves nothing!
September 28th, 2016 at 5:11 pm
“You did not put anyone in their place. I could argue with you for a long time. You have your opinions and I have mine. But that solves nothing!”
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LMAO
September 28th, 2016 at 5:12 pm
@BucFan20,
I bet you also think Trump is doing a great job in the debates too, lol.
September 28th, 2016 at 6:21 pm
Talk about racism?? 95% of African Americans voted for Obama when most inner cities have been controlled by Democrats and decimated by Democratic policies for decades. Most black Republicans are called “uncle Tom’s” by many blacks. Enough said.
September 28th, 2016 at 6:27 pm
I worked at a chicken place in Tampa back in the 1990s, all the black people there had confederate flag stuff, like wallets, do-rags, etc, it wasn’t a big deal. The reason why, as they’d tell you and they’d say to these dolts from up north that plague this area, was that they were born in the south and that flag is as much there’s as anyone else born in the south. Also they knew Yankees hated it and thus is made them uncomfortable so they thought it was amusing. Truth is the overwhelming vast majority of people here weren’t born here, they’re not from the south, they’re just your typical northern Lilly whites that never lived around anyone but whites so when they go south they feel the need to lecture blacks on why they’re supposed to be offended and why they’re a victim.
September 28th, 2016 at 7:24 pm
When you play for a really bad team with lousy talent and bad coaching, players will play down to that level as Talib did in Tampa. I went to a game vs Dallas years ago and watched Miles Austin, by no means a speed demon run right by Talib for a long TD. He had about 200 yards receiving that day.
Talib never made any big plays with the Bucs and he was either hurt or in trouble. The Patriots turned him around and he’s been tremendous as a Bronco. I was more pissed Blount and Bennett weren’t resigned, as they both made plays. LeGarrett had some great TD runs and was a very good back on a bad team with a bad oline.
The Glazers were the only team that hired Dungy so don’t play race card. Im sure if you ask Herm Edwards, Mike Tomlin,’Raheem Morris or Lovie Smith if the owners of the Bucs were racist they call you out and say mostly positive things about Tampa and their time here.
September 28th, 2016 at 8:17 pm
Fun fact: The Nile is the longest river in the world.
September 28th, 2016 at 11:04 pm
Bucs headed for another losing season–and well deserved as long as you have people who nothing about football running websites that are screaming for coaches to be fired–and of course, you need a bunch of mindless Trump-like zombies who will follow these lemmings off the cliff.
September 29th, 2016 at 8:21 am
Most people have their own take on what’s racist and what’s not racist. I always try to look at 2 sides to every coin and then apply common sense. It works for me.
If you’re a racist cop in America right now. Would common sense tell you to shoot every black person you encounter? I say hell no. Yet it’s still happening, which tells me they are not singling out a certain race.
I get the other side though and can see where they’re coming from. Although it does work both ways. Black guy walks through I predominately white neighborhood and he’s going to get looks of suspicion or what are you doing here looks. Same goes for the white guy in a mostly all black neighborhood.
My uncle in his 60’s and a proud racist poses this question all the time to whites who say they’re not racist. “If you were to walk down the street at night in a mostly all black neighborhood, would you be scared?” If your answer is yes then according him that makes YOU a racist and he’s kind of gt a point.
Thanks DB for dragging this thread where it shouldn’t be, as I really stayed away from it like you can see until today. I don’t consider myself a racist, but you and I could have a very good conversation outside of JBF on what ails America when it comes to race. I’ve had it with my ONLY friend of over 20 years, who happens to be black and straight out the hood, numerous times. We’ve talked about why America is so divided more than it’s ever been, he gets me and I get him.
Go Bucs btw.
September 29th, 2016 at 8:25 am
JarvisMoss….don’t steal the “Zombies” term that’s reserved for the Obama-Zombies of the 2008 election. Back in 08 Obama could punch your mom square in the mouth and you’d still love him. Obama-Zombie.