“We’re Not Little Kids”
August 23rd, 2016
Kwon Alexander had a senseless personal foul in the first quarter against Jacksonville on Saturday that flashed many fans back to the Lovie Smith administration.
Joe finally got a chance to talk to Kwon about that today.
On the play, Blake Bortles was flushed from the pocket and ran toward the left sideline. He was not attempting a throw and was at the sideline when Kwon hammered him.
“I just got to be way more smarter,” Kwon said. “On my penalty, I didn’t think [Bortles] was out of bounds.
“It was close. If he fakes going out and keeps going I’m in trouble. So I still hit him, but it’s on me. I own it.”
Joe pressed Kwon a bit for the reaction of defensive coordinator Mike Smith, renowned for his penalty-free teams in Atlanta.
Kwon said there was no punishment from Smith or any standout address.
“He just tells us,” Kwon said of Smith’s reaction to the personal foul. “We’re both grown men. He ain’t got to punish us like that or anything. We’re not little kids. He just tells what to do and we do it, and that’s how it’s going to be.”
The Bucs as a team had three penalties of the senseless variety in the first seven minutes against the Jags. Hopefully, that nonsense stops now.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:43 pm
That play was very similar to LVD at the jets 2 years ago.
Honestly the defense is a bad position. Yes, the QB is heading towards the sidelines, but he’s also moving forward. Bortles and Smith both have quick feet so I don’t know how you can expect a LB to pull up and hope he steps out of bounds. Kwon got there a split second mater than LVD did, but it seemed to me the initial contact started before either QB was actually out of bounds.
Damned if you do damned if you don’t
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:48 pm
Kwon has been a mixed bag first the penalty then a missed tackle or 2 then he rocks Chris Ivory in the D gap. And Chris Ivory is no push-over wish we would have signed him. Kwon needs to focus on tackles can’t let them slip through your grip son. Knuckle up stud.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:50 pm
I think all calls should be reviewable……even this…..if a coach want’s to risk a timeout on a judgement call….the he should be able to have it reviewed…
If this was reviewed and the QB was still in bounds when pushed….then it could be reversed…..the problem is possibly how hard he was pushed.
I also think PI should be reviewable along with holding.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:52 pm
wussification of america is to blame for these type of penalties. It’s one thing to take legitimate steps to protect the players but some of these ticky tack personal fouls are ridiculous. Yes, kwon had time to pull up but on the flip side what if he was faked out instead of a 15 yrd penalty we’d be ripping kwon for missing a tackle or not playing through the whistle. There has to be some consideration if the play was dangerous or just continuation right now it’s just flag everything. They need to let the men play. It’s a rough sport it was became hugely popular partly because of the violent nature of the sport. to many wussys america must toughen up… you can still give hugs and trophy’s to all just stop lowering the standards like with all the penalties for breathing on qb’s or getting close to receivers.
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:02 pm
Yep tmax, that’s my whole point.
You can’t pull up in that situation, especially when you initiate contact while the ball carrier is still in bounds. And especially on QBs who can run, it’s just another unfair advantage for the offense.
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:04 pm
@tmax- Agreed! Football has digressed sooooo much. I grew up watching the Steel Curtain and the Raiders (enough said!) stomp people into the ground. Mel Blount would straight decapitate receivers. The “Jacks” (Ham and Lambert) were just plain nasty! These prim-a-dona QBs today wouldn’t last 6 games.
That said, if it were Jameis on the receiving end of that hit, we’d be saying just the opposite!
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:10 pm
Bucsfanman
I agree with you and miss the those days badly. I will say this. I have confidence in Winston. He is a big strong man and more athletic than his detractors will admit therefore I say let him play don’t take his game away..
I think you are more likely to get hurt playing scared or conservative. That does not mean play reckless either. let jameis be jameis if he get’s hit late let the boys up front handle that. I bet marpet would be more than happy to play a little harder against a dude that just planted his qb. but that raises another issue they would flag that… is the game safer letting the officials call the game or let the players keep each other honest with you hit my qb your’s is next almost like a hockey mentality you protect your stars… i personally like to see the players handle it and let the officials have less involvement
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:12 pm
Besides the personal foul on KA58 I was pretty impressed at the reduction of penalties. However the Jags reminded me of the Bucs the last few seasons, kept shooting themselves in the foot.
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:17 pm
More and more retired players are being revealed to have permanent brain injury due to football, so it makes sense that they’d take precautions to not ruin these men’s lives, yet it didn’t take long for JBF’s Trump voters to complain about how millennials are wusses or whatever.
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:20 pm
WinstonToEvans
Has nothing to with Trump idiot. Just another young punk who can’t read an opinion that differs from there own without being an ass.
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:20 pm
This penalty is less impacting than the suspicious push out of bounds in the Jets game standing up play in the past. Game over. Here the QB was diving out of bounds, a sloppy late hit by Kwon. Brain freeze.
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:22 pm
tmaxcon
You’re right, I was being kind of an ass there, my bad. I just don’t think taking precautions to protect players is a bad thing.
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:26 pm
I remember watching an NFL preseason game on the sidelines. It was New England against the old Steelers.
Mel Blount had a guy lineup up who was headed out of bounds. I was very close to the play. I could see that Blount had zero concern about the “football part” of the play…down and distance were irrelevant…all Blount was trying to ascertain was whether he could hit the guy legally and get away with it.
That’s the deal. Kwon was trying to punish Bortles. That’s OK but in the NFL you better make sure the guy was waaaaaay in bounds. Like it or not the ref is always going to defer to defending the guy headed out of bounds…you just can’t finish a play on the sidelines….legal or not a flag will fly.
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:26 pm
WinstonToEvans
all good
I mentioned that in my post that protecting players is one thing and I support that but it has gone to far.
We will have to agree to disagree about society needing to man up.
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:49 pm
tmax…it’s the Hope & Change Obama was talking about in 2008.
Enjoy!
August 23rd, 2016 at 3:42 pm
Nice drive-by 1987!!! Fire the cannons!!!!
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:20 pm
whats the big deal he chased the QB out of bounds and made contact and got flagged, he didn’t blast him to tried to injure – move on – keep hustling Kwon
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:22 pm
Buc1987, I’m often quite dense and did not understand your drive by. Obama promised hope and change but delivered the same old special interests controlled government we had before. However, the league changed the rules and the officials are changing the game. This is real change. My PC does not have a sarcasm font. Maybe that’s why I don’t understand.
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:47 pm
We all know it’s an offense driven league so all these extra flags are implemented to help the offense score points. Fans want to see TDs. TDs put fans in the stadium. With all things it’s all about the money.
I’m in agreeance that’s PI should be reviewed. Those automatic first downs really can change a game. It’s a shame because more and more referees are determining the outcome of games, not the players on the field. Just my two cents.
August 23rd, 2016 at 5:24 pm
Its a flawed rule. If Im chasing someone headed out of bounds, and they have some moves, plant theyre foot and gain another 20 yards, thats my ass. Thats on the defender. Its not liked he shoved him to his face like a bully, he was making sure. Nfl needs to ditch the pads and have the players wear a dress.
August 23rd, 2016 at 5:49 pm
No worries we all know what was REALLY on King Kwons mind 😉
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VeHMMpaMbDQ