Not Buying The New ASJ Love
August 21st, 2016
Joe ran directly into blunt objects this afternoon after listening to Dirk Koetter.
The Tampa Bay head coach was selling a revival of Austin Seferian-Jenkins.
A little improvement against second-teamers in practice last week, a strong catch last night against future mattress movers, Hooters cooks, limo drivers and grad students, and all of a sudden Koetter has announced ASJ is back on first-team duty.
Yes, Koetter said ASJ’s improvement means shared first-team reps with Cameron Brate this week.
First, for those paying attention, Joe must point out that it is Luke Stocker who gets the most tight end reps for the Bucs — in real games and with the first team.
Second, there was a pile of first-team time for tight end Brandon Myers this week in joint practices with the Jaguars, and in last night’s preseason game. Unless, Joe is seeing things, Myers was the third tight end in the preseason game last night, with ASJ at No. 4.
Joe really isn’t buying what Koetter appeared to be selling. It smells like competition talk — and tactics — to kick Brate in the ass for juggling away a catchable ball last night leading to an interception by America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston. And maybe, just maybe, it’s a last gasp to motivate ASJ, or showcase him to be traded.
Just a few days ago, Jameis unloaded on ASJ in practice in Jacksonville. That definitely was no mirage.
Sure, Seferian-Jenkins is a talented guy who can help the Bucs in the red zone if his head is screwed on right and his body is available, but he’s unreliable at best and of limited use in the running game.
Joe simply can’t buy into the inevitable media-fueled ASJ bandwagon that will reach warp speed by Monday night.
August 21st, 2016 at 8:27 pm
Drama Hoes
August 21st, 2016 at 8:34 pm
Stop with stalker being on the first team. He’s only in there to block and as soon as it’s time to throw the ball he’s out. He’s just a fullback that’s called a tight end. And does anyone actually want Brandon Myers on the field instead of ASJ? I’m no ASJ fan but I recognize that he’s the only TE on the team besides Brate who can affect a game.
August 21st, 2016 at 8:42 pm
Stocker is a solid vet and at this point it almost doesn’t even matter who is in there because there aren’t many plays being made.
August 21st, 2016 at 8:47 pm
Man all this ASJ hate every day. It sounds like you want him to fail. Cameron brate had a couple last year do the same thing off his hands. Like how you just sweep that under the rug like it is no big deal. I like that he has been humbled playing with bench players and is still shining just what you expect from a good player.
August 21st, 2016 at 8:54 pm
ASJ is more talented than all the other tight ends on the team combined. He’s.too talented to trade for anything less than a second round draft choice. Remember when everyone was calling Stocker a bust because he was injured for two years. Now he’s one of the enjoyed that make the running game go. ASJ will make the team and will get a lot of plating time. Trade him and you lose a major weapon.
August 21st, 2016 at 8:59 pm
@joe not buying your Bs.I challenge you to back it up and print a direct quote
from Jameis saying he was unloading on Jameis.He won’t do it and you know it.
Probably why you tried to get smith and Murphy to say it. But Murphy said he believed Jameis was coming from a good place.
Sir, Joe was there and wrote three posts about this in great detail. It was as obvious as the sun in the sky. You don’t have to believe it, but Joe surely isn’t making anything up. Please keep in mind Joe has official media credentials from the Bucs and the NFL. If Joe were writing fiction about the team, then Joe wouldn’t have those credentials.–Joe
August 21st, 2016 at 9:07 pm
Quick question who didn’t see this one coming?? It was a wake up call for ASJ. Man the NFL offseason is to damn long. You’ll believe everything a person says smh lol
August 21st, 2016 at 9:08 pm
I will say it again, if undrafted Cameron Brate is our starting TE then we are in trouble. Smarts don’t always overcome talent, especially when there is a hard hitting, faster defender on the other side of the ball.
August 21st, 2016 at 9:08 pm
Well at this point, I have more faith in our 2014 second round draft pick to catch the ball than I have in our 2016 second round pick to actually make a field goal.
August 21st, 2016 at 9:17 pm
Luke lines up at FB get real that’s the same crap Big Mouth was saying second teasers this and blah blah you can match up with whoever is front of sorry Joe but you might have to admit your Chemistry reference was a joke
August 21st, 2016 at 9:19 pm
@Dreambig…….I didn’t know Noah Spence could kick field goals. Man that cat is talented
August 21st, 2016 at 9:22 pm
Turd Koetter (LOL) is just playing the motivating game. No matter what coach says to us, ASJ was never in danger. He saw that ASJ needed a kick in the a$$ so he moves him to the back of the depth chart to make him “earn” his spot. Now that ASJ had an ok, at best, performance, Koetter can justify moving him back up the chart and justifying in ASJs head that all of the work to get better is necessary. It’s just Koetter playing a mind game with ASJ and sending a message to the team that everyone needs to give 100% effort on and off of the field. ASJ is a Licht pick, and as much as we talk about his time with Belichick, he’s not going to give up on him so easily.
August 21st, 2016 at 9:22 pm
If ASJ is limited in the running game what the hell is Brate non existent!!! LOL
August 21st, 2016 at 9:25 pm
EDit:meant jameis was unloading on ASJ.
August 21st, 2016 at 9:30 pm
Am I the only one that chuckles when I read that Jameis unloaded on ASJ? Lol!
August 21st, 2016 at 9:37 pm
No u not Buccaneer Eric
Or that Mike Evans totally agreed with Jameis
Or that Daryl Smith was with him
And the attempted goading of the players or coaches try to agree with certain views only to be slapped away like a drunken fly
August 21st, 2016 at 9:38 pm
Through 2 preseason weeks, #Bucs TE Cameron Brate is PFF’s No. 136-graded TE out of 137 qualifiers. Austin Seferian-Jenkins is No. 7.
Case close
August 21st, 2016 at 9:40 pm
against future mattress movers, Hooters cooks, limo drivers and grad students,
You know, Joe…..not everyone can make an NFL team….that’s what makes it so special….but to constantly denigrate players that are here trying to make it…..trying to achieve a life-long dream is getting old.
While you’re at it, why not add a sports blog writer to that long list of regular jobs most folks are happy to do for a living.
And…..you have been down on ASJ continuously &
August 21st, 2016 at 9:41 pm
continuously & consistently……so, I’m not surprised at all by your spin on this.
August 21st, 2016 at 9:45 pm
Starting to think Joes aren’t on the ASJ buddie list. Why all the hate for ASJ? Did he refuse an interview? Call you dweebs? C’mon guys, he is an excellent player with heaps of talent. Get on the ASJ love bus, it’s not too late…. If you honestly think Brate or Myers has more talent, you are crazy loco!! He is a loose cannon, reckless, does stupid things in games, but he is super talented. Not every player has to be a boy scout to be a great player.
August 21st, 2016 at 9:48 pm
I just watched the game today after recording it. Not bad honestly. Offense was a little sluggish with some inaccurate passes and drops. Defense didn’t generate much of a pass rush but it was still competitive and the Hargreaves interceptions were sweet. There were 2 passss to Brate that might have been catchable by ASJ using superior athleticism / physicality to box out. In general our best bet is ASJ taking back the job because the guy can make plays. Brate had a rough night but I still like the guy he seems pretty dependable. Hoping for the best. Go Bucs!
August 21st, 2016 at 9:52 pm
I am just happy that we are all getting along.
August 21st, 2016 at 9:59 pm
@joe
you are expecting us to believe that Jameis called out ASJ in a loud voice that could be heard in Georgia and he used the derogatory term Austin.
Something smells all right and its your story,short on facts and long on opinion.
Sir, Joe wrote two follow-up stories on that happening with quotes from current Buccaneers on that happening. Joe’s not going to pretend it didn’t happen.–Joe
August 21st, 2016 at 10:10 pm
Pff rankings now thats funny….
Joe’s has been very fair and supportive of ASJ. You guys just don’t like the fact that ASJ has done nothing and is just as likely to have a meltdown than he is to play in the nfl
August 21st, 2016 at 10:13 pm
Joe fair and supporting of ASJ…..
How about the training camp report…..”ASJ on the sideline having cool water poured over his head while others labored in the hot Florida sun”……something like that……hardly fair.
August 21st, 2016 at 10:13 pm
What’s not to buy. Anyone suggesting he is not the most naturally gifted te on roster is clueless. I’d his head is on atraight, he should be the starter and it’s not really close. I like Brate but he doesn’t have the natural ability of ASJ and it’s not really close.
August 21st, 2016 at 10:16 pm
It’s not either or for me….I like ASJ & Brate…..we need 3 or 4 tight ends….they all bring different skills….
I wonder if Joe originally thought Brate an UDFA was a future UPS driver at one time…..isn’t that what most college grads do nowadays…..perhaps even Harvard.
August 21st, 2016 at 10:20 pm
SB, LOL! If there is anything I’ve learned in the past 24 hours is that we all definitely do not get along! lol! But seriously, I’m concerned by what I’ve seen, but not overly worried. I thought the offense would be ahead of the defense, but that doesn’t appear to be the case. Aguayo has had some misses that I was yelling at the TV about, but I’d rather have him get it out now. I thought Winston would have showed a better throwing motion, but it still looks stiff to me. It’s like he just puts his arm back and unloads rather than a circular motion. It worked for him last season and if he is going to keep it, he needs to make his reads faster and look off the defenders more. In the end I think he will overcome his drawbacks because of how bad he wants it. Cam Newton was the man last season, and he is hard to watch on his drop back and throw, so anything is possible. One more game and we can take a deep breath that we avoided any major injuries.
August 21st, 2016 at 10:21 pm
TBBF
No most college grads live at home until 30 these days. That’s just past a UPS drivers prime.
August 21st, 2016 at 10:27 pm
Examples of ASJ being unreliable in the run game, Joe??? It’s like saying Evans has soft hands when he didnt have a problem the year before (six drops of his eleven came in a rain game). Walter Football said he was a contributor in the run game in college.
His attitude on run blocking is also good as well:
“My game translates to the NFL because I’m very versatile; whatever you need me to do I can do,” Seferian-Jenkins said. “Do you say it’s very pass-happy now, I’ve played receiver and I’ve run routes, I’ve run in the slot. I’ve played almost every single position receiving the ball at the University of Washington. And people still run the ball, and I still take pride in run blocking and that’s something I can do very well.’’
Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/article25868209.html#storylink=cpy
If anything, ASJ needs to be more involved with the run game as it will free him up to be a weapon on plays like play-action passes and/or naked boots, etc. He just needs more time on the field and reps to hone his skills. I believe Alstott wasn’t labeled a good blocker, and he developed into a really solid one over time. Everyone wants to throw the towel in quickly on players too easily, especially Buccs fans.
August 21st, 2016 at 10:28 pm
Sorry TMAX I can’t agree with you.We have a different definition of more than fair.20 or more negative arcticles do not equal fair or supportive in my book.
August 21st, 2016 at 10:28 pm
Joe, How about: future Walmart cart collectors and will work for food sign holders?
August 21st, 2016 at 10:36 pm
So bummed we didn’t draft allen Robinson over him
August 21st, 2016 at 10:36 pm
Sooner or later Joe will be naming off one of you guy’s jobs…..
How about “running a Montana construction crew”
He was right about the “grocery store bagger”……Kurt Warner
August 21st, 2016 at 10:40 pm
Yes I know that my ‘get along’ statement was somewhat sardonic but it is what it is. I have been here from the beginning so my opinion is somewhat tainted. I just want us to be ‘realistic’ if there is such an animal. Hard for most though I know.
August 21st, 2016 at 10:41 pm
Tossed out of practice, we talking about practice, the guy takes a couple of days to pull it back together, apologies for his TRUMP SIZE STUPIDITY, and has been giving it his all in practice and games! That is all we can ask of the guy, bowler the COACH decide his fate!! SIMPLE AS THAT!!!
August 21st, 2016 at 10:41 pm
Sorry……that last comment was to you BucanEric
August 21st, 2016 at 10:50 pm
Hey…..when a player screws up….or cops an attitude….you shoot him down….call him out etc……but when he starts to turn it around….you encourage him….reward good behavior….that’s good coaching and that’s being a good fan…..
I think we all know what a focused, motivated ASJ can do for our Bucs…..I’d bet Jameis knows….and so does Koetter……..let’s hope he succeeds.
August 21st, 2016 at 10:56 pm
There is BigHog with his “Lovie was fired ONLY because of Jason Licht”. Not because the Glazers wanted him gone or anything.
August 21st, 2016 at 10:57 pm
TBBF, that’s about what I said at 9:22. I agree with you.
August 21st, 2016 at 10:57 pm
I Completely Parallel what TBBF said.
August 21st, 2016 at 10:59 pm
9 o’Clock here. Bed time. Peace out Bucs fans
August 21st, 2016 at 11:07 pm
SB, Lol! It’s impossible for all of us to become one because we all have different views. Some of us view the Bucs through just being a fan. . Some view the team through past draft views. Some kill the GMs for FA signings. Some want the new coach or the old coach. Some blame race as a factor for decisions. Some just want to be right, even if it means the Bucs suck. Me? I can take being wrong about my opinion If it’s for the Bucs betterment. The players we have are the players we have. The coach we have is the coach we have. If they are a Buc, I want them to succeed.
August 21st, 2016 at 11:10 pm
BuccaneEric75
Yep….read it….you are right on target…….I can see now that it is Koetter’s style to call a player out……both good and bad……some coaches would never do that….but some are very effective with that style.
As the old saying goes…..you don’t tease people you don’t like…..same goes here…you don’t call out a player who hasn’t got the talent….you simply let them fail.
August 21st, 2016 at 11:10 pm
We can all try. After all is said an done that is all you really ever get is a Chance.
August 21st, 2016 at 11:14 pm
BigHog…you show your stupidity every day. Trump is a multi0millionaire who vanquished 16 GOP opponents. I’m not a Trump fan by no means, but he certainly ain’t stupid. You on the other hand with your daily, racist black power, Lovie was done wrong postings have run it’s course. I have no idea why Joe tolerates you but he does.
Stay tuned JBFer’s we’ve got a community organizer on our hands.
August 21st, 2016 at 11:24 pm
Watch this clown pull out race card after race card if the Bucs start to falter this season. Why do I type this you ask? Because he came on the JBF scene AFTER Lovie was fired. I live here. This is the stuff I know about.
Nowhere to be found prior to that.
Dig into the archives and you’ll find his foolish insinuations about Lovie being fired to be because of the color of Lovie’s skin.
So again stay tuned and sorry Joe I had to go here, but the tequila made me do it.
August 21st, 2016 at 11:26 pm
Joe should add…..”future community organizers…..and future 5th Avenue building, casino & golf course owners” to his list of future player jobs…..
August 21st, 2016 at 11:38 pm
I love how people throw around the term “community organizer” as if it was an insult… Only to the small repugnican minds is community organizing a bad thing.
August 21st, 2016 at 11:40 pm
Every time politics enters a sports conversation it feels as if piss, sht and blood has been excreted on my healthy outlet of personal joy. Thanks for fkng up my sports chi and reminding me of how little faith one should have for the future of this beautiful country.
Cheers. I hate you
August 21st, 2016 at 11:51 pm
Not buying it? This coming from a guy who was all in for Johnny Football. ASJ has had his issues, but he’s had several pretty good days in a row now.
August 22nd, 2016 at 12:01 am
VH3 makes plays against backups and Joe be like “dude is Darrelle Revis all over again!!!!! Here comes DROY!!!”
ASJ makes plays against backups and Joe be like “he still sucks, he is doing this against guys that aren’t going to be in the league next week, it means nothing.”
Bottom line is Brake does not have the upside of ASJ. If Brake is consistent, let him starto. But if he isn’t why not put another inconsistent t.e. who has the potential to be top 5 t.e. in the league?
August 22nd, 2016 at 12:22 am
Who said there was anything wrong with being a community organizer….or a UPS driver, Insurance claims adjuster, Hooters cook or any other occupation….
I’m just saying Joe should add it to the list of destinations he prescribes for those who don’t make the team…..
August 22nd, 2016 at 12:46 am
Shut up with the undrafted Brate argument lol.
If you’ve truly watched football you would know plenty of players have gone undrafted only to have great careers in the NFL. Last year Brate proved he and Jameis have a chemistry that cannot be denied and he has hands that more often than not clamp on the football and hold on. It’s funny how y’all wait for one preseason game where he uncharacteristically drops some passes to all the sudden jump back on ASJ who up till this point has been an injury prone player full of nothing but potential. Plenty of those that have come and gone. I want ASJ to put it all together but just cause I want that I’m not going to deny that Brate could end up being great for the BUCS.
August 22nd, 2016 at 1:15 am
How many tight ends go undrafted to become stars in the NFL? Sorry, Brate is a consistent player, but he’s no where near the talent level of ASJ…let’s not kid ourselves. McCoy was injury prone for a while as well….and people wanted him gone (still do). Let’s give the time a chance…has he even had a full season snap count wise on a football field???
August 22nd, 2016 at 1:30 am
Again. Plenty of NFL players in history have gone undrafted only to have great productive careers. Is it my job to go do the research for you? No that’s common knowledge.
And AGAIN “talent level” and “potential” mean jack shiite when as you so pointed out you can’t even put together a complete season on the field.
And all this is not even mentioning ASJ’s question marks when it comes to character.
As far as McCoy goes the same goes for him. No one is immune. We’ll see if this season McCoy can put a season together without being hampered by injury.
Acting like we know or have seen all of what Brate can offer is just funny lol. He began to blossom last year and clearly has a rapport with JW which is actually invaluable.
We shall see what happens but don’t discard one simply cause your in love wih the “potential” a guy who has yet to out a season together has.
August 22nd, 2016 at 7:20 am
@Joe
From your own pages on Aug 13 Hating to lose article:
“Oh,no,no,no Jameis said with a pained wince on his face.”I’m talking about a mentality.I would never call out my teammates”.
This is a direct quote from Jameis.Nothing more here than a teammate encouraging his teammate and it sure reminds me of the famous line: run,Forest,run
August 22nd, 2016 at 8:38 am
Lol. Oh snap Bob! Drop the mike!
August 22nd, 2016 at 8:42 am
Oh and Joe please start referring to ASJ as the starting tight end from this day forward. It seemed very important for you to state that he was a third teamed that I think it is important to remind us of where he is on the depth chart every time you mention him.
August 22nd, 2016 at 8:52 am
@joe
And once again,use that press pass responsibly and verify the exact reason for
for:”run,austin,run,run’. you first article was your opinion of what Jameis was doing,and nothing more.
August 22nd, 2016 at 12:22 pm
Games played during career 16, Catches 42 Yards 559 Avg 13.3 Longest 43 TD’s 6 …
That’s a fairly decent productive ‘season’ for ASJ … most of that, before or after sidelined injuries. He’ll be fine. He’s built for the redzone.
August 22nd, 2016 at 5:53 pm
You don’t add all the stats from multiple seasons where he’s played sparingly and say that’s a good stat line for a season ahahaha. Too funny.