Brutal Practice For Aguayo
August 23rd, 2016
Fans have turned on him.
Joe takes no joy in pointing out the following: Not only did Roberto Aguayo have the worst practice Joe has ever seen from a Bucs kicker, Joe had never heard fans unload on any kicker in practice before today.
It is clear to Joe that Aguayo, who was not a popular pick at all, is now atop Bucs fans’ s(p)it list, supplanting tweety Austin Seferian-Jenkins.
After being only one of three kickers to miss both an extra point and a field goal in two preseason games this summer (Aguayo has missed two field goals), Aguayo was a rare point of focus for fans at Bucs practice this morning with the Browns.
Generally, when kickers kick in public practices, fans either head for the gates, or head to get something cold to drink. Or simply head to the head.
After his second miss today, fans not just stood up to boo and heckle Aguayo, a loud Warchant cry erupted. With each miss, the cry grew louder.
(For those unaware, the Warchant is the famous chorus Florida State fans holler at games, waving their arms in a chop-like motion to emulate a tomahawk chop. Joe has never seen this at a Bucs practice before.)
When Aguayo began making kicks (the few he made), chips shots even, the crowd stood up to give him a Bronx cheer-like standing-O.
In 11-on-11 field goal work against the Browns, Aguayo stepped up and calmly missed his first attempt from what looked like 32 or 35 yards. Keep in mind there is no all-out attempt to block by the defense.
A fan yells “You can do it.”
Aguayo nails the next two attempts, and the ball is moved back for a 45-yard try. Up steps Aguayo his kick barely clears the line of scrimmage and bounces at the 5 yard line.
Next comes another try from 45. No good! Fans moan, and Aguayo’s session is done with everyone watching in stunned disbelief.
After practice, Dirk Koetter was asked (again) about his embattled rookie kicker and he noted his trouble was “mental.”
No kidding. If Aguayo had to see a shrink already after two meaningless preseason games — oh, sorry, a “mental coach” — he is clearly rattled.
Joe is being brutally honest here. He has never seen a Bucs kicker with such a horrible practice, has never seen fans heckle and boo a kicker in practice. How the hell can this guy go from one of the best kickers in college history and in a few short months, look like a bad high school kicker?
If Brindza Aguayo has his head screwed up this bad in August, God help the Bucs when they need him to kick a critical boot in Kansas City in late November (the final cold-weather outdoor game of the season).
If he is still the kicker then.
August 23rd, 2016 at 12:54 pm
Yikes. The Ghost of Grammatica must be swirling @ One Buc Place. Bill Capece is embarrassed by today’s effort. Sadly, George Yarno recently passed or he could trot out for mop up duty ( very old reference that only the crustiest of Buc fans will recognize ).
August 23rd, 2016 at 12:57 pm
Sign a kicker TODAY… Stick a fork in this guy. Schedule a press conference for Licht to apologize to fans and move on.
August 23rd, 2016 at 12:59 pm
I actually thought this was a good pick since kickers can impact a game when they are automatic. Unfortunately we whiffed on this guy. Only the Bucs could give up a 2nd round pick for a head case. I kind of pisses me off. This guy who had all of these accolades in college for his kicking has all of a sudden forgot how to kick? If his head is a scrambled and he is feeling too much pressure being paid to kick then we are screwed. At some point regardless of the round he was selected in, you have to put the team first. Hopefully we can get an average kicker who is not in a shrinks office before the season starts. I want more than anyone for Aguayo to get his head on straight and regain his confidence but with games that do count looming, I doubt he will.
August 23rd, 2016 at 12:59 pm
Anyone who thinks this kid will be just fine is fooling themselves. We’ll carry two kickers into the season while Yippie Aguayo works it out.
Worst draft pick in a long time. Dexter Jackson bad.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:00 pm
We fans remember brindza all too well
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:00 pm
It was a terrible pick. You just cant draft a kicker, any kicker that high and to trade up for him may get you fired. But even then, I didn’t think it could be this bad. This sounds terrible. This is practice, wow!
This kinds of reminds me of Hard Knocks when KC was on. They drafted Medlock out of UCLA (on of the best kickers ever at the time, sound familiar) They gave him the job and he missed half his kicks…. he was cut after week one because its the nfl and you can’t wait on kickers
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:00 pm
They said on NFL radio it was the worst shank they’ve ever seen. This poor kid. I wasn’t a fan of the pick but I still feel bad for him. He didn’t ask to be picked so high.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:02 pm
Might help if he dumps that Keyshawn jersey.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:03 pm
My god man. It’s like I really don’t even want to read about this because it is that uncomfortable of a situation.
Horrible time to have a slump.
But let’s be fair to Brindza. Brindza missed 3 field goals and an extra point in 1 game. 10 points on the field in 1 game. Aguayo has missed 2 FGs & 1 extra point in 2 games.
Still horrible lol
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:04 pm
He’ll be fine.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:04 pm
I’m trying so hard to pretend like I’m not worried and everything will be just fine, but that’s a huge lie. Only the Bucs could draft the greatest kicker in college football history, only to have him completely melt down in the big leagues. In all seriousness, I would maybe let him see a hypnotist or something, because whatever we are currently doing isn’t working.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:05 pm
I don’t really feel bad for him. He’s paid awesome for one of the easiest jobs. Just do your job.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:06 pm
“I give up, He is hopeless, Donald Trump was right” Tony Robbins
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:07 pm
Relax……that’s what he should do & that’s what we should do…..
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:07 pm
OMG
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:07 pm
We the fans and the media are the ones destroying this kid. Koetter should not let him talk to the media moving forward.
Joe, you do realize all pro teams and elite athletes use a mental conditioning coach right?
Let’s give the kid a year before we deem him as the worst pick ever.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:09 pm
Only in Tampa Bay does the most accurate kicker in ncaa history get labeled a bust before his first game. Smh
Gotta say Joe this was one of the funniest articles posted in a while. Tomahawk chop, Bronx cheer and a “you can do it”. I’m dead, crying and lmao. Ty sir much needed.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:09 pm
While I’m nervous af…well said Bucgator
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:10 pm
Aguayo was never, I repeat never, the best kicker in college history. He was a very good college kicker on one of the best teams in college history in 2013 at FSU. As a result of the FSU offense smoking everyone each week he piled up XP’s and no-pressure kicks as all of the games in 2013 but the last one were out of reach by halftime. This “best kicker” BS is based on him making all of his XP’s in a very potent offense. He is not the all-time FG% kicker.
The following year in 2014 the team was worse but due to Jameis’ plucky leadership the team was able to rally all of it’s regular season games. There was more pressure, but the o-line was still filled with a ton of talent, Aguayo made his first game winning FG, FIRST ONE, late in 2014 against BC, towards the end of his second year.
In 2015 FSU was still good but no longer a college playoff team talent-wise. Despite this, FSU faced GTech in Atlanta 6-0 as a heavy favorite against 2-5 Tech. Aguayo was again asked to make a game winning FG. Instead he was blocked, that block was returned for a TD at the end of regulation and instead of a win or overtime the team lost in crushing fashion. Aguayo’s FG% in 2015 80.8% lower than Connor Barth’s 82.1% whom Licht cut after drafting Aguayo.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:10 pm
Im getting tired of this “pressure” excuse. WE CANNOT HAVE THIS IN THE REGULAR SEASON!!! Licht needs to realize he made a huge mistake and get this situation under control, fast. WHERE ARE YOU CONNER BARTH?!!! Oh wait, he was cut after we drafted Aguayo and now he plays for our division rival Saints.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:10 pm
Honestly this is the most worried I am about anything with this team by far.
I’m not really even worried about any other position(s). We can improve for sure in a lot of them but we aren’t terrible in any regard.
The whole point of this pick was to not have to feel scared when we go line up for a FG or XP. Now I’ll be more nervous and scared than probably any point before lol
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:12 pm
most accurate extra point kicker in NCAA history.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:13 pm
Why did we ever let the Irish kid go…..Patrick Murray? He’s back to haunt us……he’s kicking for the Browns!
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:16 pm
@db55 getting a mental coach, and asking two other professionals about mechanics is the scary part. Having what looks like the mental strength of a jv kicker and having to say how huge it was to make a 50 yarder in front of your guys to end practice early yesterday is more troubling. I guess its better to lmao than to cry.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:16 pm
Thank God Lovie isn’t around to take the fall for Jason Licht DUMB free agency signings and his STUPID drafts. But all these Licht LOVERS will make an excuse for this INCOMPETENT GM. 3-6 today at practice(the greatest kicker ever), Licht should be HORSEWHIP for wasting a 3rd and 4th on this BUM, especially when we have a million other needs. And all you Bucs fans that are trying to justify the pick, need a HORSEWHIPPING also.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:17 pm
DB55- I agree with you about how fast bucs fans and media are to turn on their players, but this is looking scary. Doesn’t look like he’s gonna be able to turn all this horrifying play before regular season starts.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:17 pm
I’m not surprised at all.
I’d sell my mother to the Arabs for a day with this young sprout.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:17 pm
Aren’t the goal posts about half the width on the practice field then in a game?
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:20 pm
SOEbuc
WHERE ARE YOU CONNER BARTH?!!!
Nursing his weak tired leg in New Orleans. Barth sucked last year. Barth is not getting any younger and can’t kick past 40… father time and injuries caught up to him. barth is not the answer. it’s time to move forward the PAST is gone just like Barth’s leg strength.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:26 pm
Very disappointed.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:30 pm
LOL @ DB
I wasn’t happy with the pick, but figured he would be fine and am definitely pulling for him. Needing time to adjust is not weird to me, but this kid is already in his head and that’s a bad thing.
His high draft status has obviously put a lot of pressure on him, and he apparently isn’t mentally tough enough to handle it… Yet. Media was against him from day 1. The fans have turned on him already. I feel bad for the kid. He’s gotta figure out a way to get out of his own head and relax. Easier said than done.
Hoping he figures out how to chill and get back to form. Hire cobraboy too!
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:30 pm
Bucs may need to place Aguayo on IR with hurt feelings…only kidding…sort of. Not a lot of options here…
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:31 pm
@CobraBoy, I think we’re all rooting for you to get the chance to spend that day – soon.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:31 pm
Bucs were using the standard-sized goal posts on the south end of the main practice field.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:31 pm
“Roberto, It sucks to be you” Ryan Lochte
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:34 pm
You’ll recall the front office was against Doug Martin in 2014 too. Like Connor Barth they were desperate to replace him, spending a 3rd round pick on Charles Sims when a guard (go figure) was a pressing need. The rumor was that Koetter was a fan of Martin so he stayed, but not before Licht declined his team option for 2016, making him a free agent after his rebound year.
So instead of taking Trai Turner (already a Pro Bowler for the Panthers) or Gabe Jackson (started 28 out of 29 games for Raiders) with the 3rd round pick in 2014 the front office tried to plug a hole that wasn’t there. How’s everyone else feeling about JR Sweezy right now?
Licht appears to get himself stuck on improving perceived weaknesses that aren’t there. More than the where the kicker’s head is at I’m concerned about the GM’s head.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:36 pm
Aguayo
ASJ
Banks
Barron
Bowers
Price
I see a trend, from now on the FO needs to trade out of the second round or better yet just announce the pick then immediately cut him right on the stage. Saves everyone time and worries.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:40 pm
DB – Barron was a first round pick and got paid $45 MILLION dollars, don’t forgot Lavonte David he was a 2nd round pick. Barth – the most accurate kicker in the history of the Buccaneers. Fact.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:41 pm
Security should have removed those so-called fans from the premises. It wouldn’t shock me if some of those slack jawed mouth breathers at the practice trolling Aguayo also comment on JBF. I have never heard of fans going after their own at a practice. It’s not Aguayo’s fault he was picked in the 2nd round. If there’s anyone who deserves the vitriol it’s Jason Licht and in my opinion he does *not* deserve that kind of fan response either.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:41 pm
@DB55-
Well, we drafted Donovan Smith and Ali Marpet in round 2 last year.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:42 pm
And Noah Spence this year…
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:46 pm
Barth – the most accurate kicker in the history of the Buccaneers. Fact.
Living in the Past will get you nowhere fast…. Old news. weak leg now.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:47 pm
FSU would have won the National Championship without a kicker at all.
This is incredibly depressing, bordering on Bo Jackson playing baseball.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:47 pm
Remember all the “this kid is made up different mentally,” and the “pressure doesn’t get to him” stuff. LOL
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:50 pm
Once again, Tampa fans are embarrassing.
Nothing fixes a confidence issue like having hundreds of fans mock you in practice. You should all be proud of yourselves.
The good news? Fans no longer get to go to practices.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:51 pm
@D-Rome
I completely agree!
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:52 pm
@Cobraboy,
Does it have to be an Arab? If your mother can cook, I’ll buy her.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:52 pm
@DB55- LMAO!
You guys with this, “the fans and media put too much pressure on him” stuff, give me a bleeping break!!! If he can’t take THAT pressure, then how do you expect him to take the pressure of kicking a game-winning field goal in opposing stadiums?!
I’m not ready to cut the guy, but if you aren’t concerned right now you should be.
Tighten up Aguayo!
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:53 pm
@DB55
Aside from not being completely accurate, your list includes picks from ANOTHER GM and Coach team. Don’t lay that on Licht, Lovie or Koetter.
August 23rd, 2016 at 1:59 pm
@Bucsfanman
I’m not concerned. And I should not be concerned. Know why?
Because I know, contrary to popular belief, sometimes the best kickers need a little time to adjust to the NFL.
Let’s be honest, the chances of the Bucs winning more than one game before the bye week are pretty low anyway. It won’t matter if we lose because of kicks, defense or offense.
So the way I see it, give the kid to the bye week to get it together. Until the game after the bye week, I’m not worried at all.
It’s like a baseball player that temporarily hits a wall. He just needs to keep chipping away at it until he breaks through.
If I were Koetter, I would focus on getting him as many FG attempts as possible in these last two preseason games, even if it means getting fewer points. Clearly, he needs more work than the offense. Have them get in range and then make him kick on every position.
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:03 pm
We could have had Juran reed out of bama here who is destroying it at Seahawks camp
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:16 pm
I’m with you Joe. This is just making me sick to my stomach. I want him to succeed so bad but the powers that be seem to be preventing this from happening. If he looks this bad before regular season starts put him on IR and send him to a retreat to clear his head. He just has way too much attention on him now to get his ship right.
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:21 pm
@bonzai a little time to adjust?? True, everyone needs time to adjust in the nfl, but the kicker postion doesn’t get time like other positions. Lets same he has another bad game this week and then in week one goes 1 for 3 in fg’s. There is a good chance he would be cut. They aren’t going to wait to long if he struggles. I’m not saying he won’t eventually be good, but if he needs too much time he will be good with a different team
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:34 pm
But ya get the point though right?
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:38 pm
I keep getting that sickening feeling deep in my gut that were heading for a disastrous 0-6 type start.
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:45 pm
Maybe a piece of camp meat will torpedo his ass during practice and place him on IR. That will buy us some time until he can hold his mud.
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:47 pm
I was at practice all day and didn’t hear anyone boo aguayo. When he made the kicks there was enthusiasm and cheers all around, a yes a final collective groan felt when he missed his last one so badly. I didn’t see anything other than all out support for him and even after practice he was smiling and interacting with the fans. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is something he gets a hold of but also wouldn’t be shocked if it always follows him. It’s just too hard to tell in training camp
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:47 pm
@bonzai….I disagree…how long is a little time?….he’s had plenty of time to adjust at one buc place…..using baseball is a horrible example….they have over 180games….they can take 2 months to get their swing right….in football you don’t have that luxury….its very concerning that’s he’s missing chip shots in practice and in the games…he only has 2 more weeks left before they really count and the boo birds turn to fire breathing dragons…..GO BUCS!!!!
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:54 pm
I can see it now..Bucs lose 23-21 with 3 seconds on the clock from the redzone. Missed FG.
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:56 pm
Per Greg Auman
Jason Hanson? Second-round pick in ’92 went 3-for-6 on field goals in first three NFL games, then went 18-for-20 rest of his rookie year …
Adam Vinatieri missed three FGs in second NFL game, a 17-10 loss. Missed three PATs in first 8 games, then didn’t miss again until 4th year.
Top kickers struggling to start an NFL career? Janikowski was 8-for-15 on field goals 6 games into rookie year. Went 14/17 rest of the way.
August 23rd, 2016 at 2:57 pm
@dustinjohnny…I agree….we could’ve had him or tyler boyd(wr), or jon bullard(dt/de) or carl nassib(de) or taj sharpe(wr)…..each one of those guys are tearing it up in tc and preseason games and figure to make a major impact once the season starts….GO BUCS!!!!
August 23rd, 2016 at 3:05 pm
DB55
nice post sir…. something tells me Aguayo and Licht are going to have the last laugh when it’s all said and done.
August 23rd, 2016 at 3:07 pm
@db55….those guys all started their career in the 90’s and early 2000’s….name some kickers that came out recently that has had a start to their career like Roberto and that has figured it out and still has a kicking job….if you do find one, I bet he’s not with the team that drafted him….licht really f’ed up….GO BUCS!!!!
August 23rd, 2016 at 3:08 pm
Next time pick him at the round he should have picked at, and he may have no added unrest. Under pressure.
August 23rd, 2016 at 3:10 pm
Ok DB, Lions= perennial losers, Raiders= perennial losers. Patriots are maybe the only team in the last 30 years to take a kicker high and are a playoff team. The Lions and Raiders are the way they are because of bad front office moves/ drafting, see a trend there?
August 23rd, 2016 at 3:11 pm
And 813 , agree Nasib looks like a beast early.
August 23rd, 2016 at 3:14 pm
mike n Says
“the kicker position doesn’t get time like other positions”
Actually, some of the best kickers in NFL history have taken a year or more to adjust to the NFL. Joe pointed on out earlier today.
August 23rd, 2016 at 3:17 pm
813bucboi Says
“those guys all started their career in the 90’s and early 2000’s”
Oh, give me a freaking break! The kicks are HARDER NOW than they were then, in case you didn’t notice!
This town has so many classless fans it is disgusting. Every single season, I see evidence of this. I’m not addressing you are classless, 813bucboi, I’m talking about the hecklers at camp.
Sickening.
August 23rd, 2016 at 3:19 pm
Halls at week 3 fellas, we’ll reconvene then.
August 23rd, 2016 at 3:19 pm
@Chris
Raiders went to the Superbowl in 2002. Lions made the playoffs multiple years.
Learn your history.
August 23rd, 2016 at 3:23 pm
@bonzai… yes you are correct and thats what I said… some take time, like joe pointed out Mike Nuggent who is good now but not for the team that drafted him. The bucs aren’t going to give him a year. He will get a few games. Like I said, he may eventually be good, but if it takes a while , it won’t be with the bucs.
August 23rd, 2016 at 3:28 pm
That report is sickening. Fans? I’d get banned if I posted what I want to say.
August 23rd, 2016 at 3:29 pm
Not to be argumentative Bonzai, but WHAT adjustment? The bigger wallet?!
Don’t get me wrong, I’m behind the kid. What choice do we have? He sure as heck isn’t getting cut.
My point is that he hasn’t faced pressure yet.
1 win by the bye week? The pitchforks will be out if that’s the case! I hope you’re wrong about the wins for OUR sake.
You’re right about the “fans” up top. Why would you boo your own players?!
August 23rd, 2016 at 3:29 pm
If he starts 8-15 like Seabass, he will be cut. The raiders were very good then and it didn’t cost them, plus seabass had long range and could hit from 60 plus. Roberto was 50% from 40 yds and greater… i don’t have a good feeling
August 23rd, 2016 at 3:29 pm
He hasn’t missed any meaningful kicks yet I don’t see what the big deal is. We know he’s a great kicker it’s just a mental thing. Shooters in basketball will go through the same thing sometimes but always get out of it. You keep heckling and booing and drive him out and watch him be a hall of fame kicker on another team. This guy is a great kicker I don’t care if he’s missed a few in preseason or practice. Really? Preseason & practice??? Ridiculous.
August 23rd, 2016 at 3:31 pm
WHO WOULD WANT TO PLAY THEIR HEARTS OUT FIR FOR FANS LIKE THIS? Disgusting.
August 23rd, 2016 at 3:37 pm
I still like this kid, he will find his groove, but I really feel we could have picked in the 4th round and used his pick for some else. Jonathan Bullard DT florida, Vonn Bell S ohiostate, Braxton Miller WR ohiostate, Shon Coleman OT auburn, Shilique Calhoun DE mich state. all those guys were there.
August 23rd, 2016 at 3:46 pm
If this continues leading up to Sept 11th, I expect Aguayo to suddenly develop a “pulled hamstring” and be placed on IR for the year so he can clear his head and work on his craft and his confidence. Ala Kenny Bell (for whom that strategy didn’t seem to work).
There’s no way Agauyo will be cut this year considering the 2nd round investment. If the “IR” thing doesn’t happen and Aguayo misses kicks in his 1st couple of regular season games, then Koetter will be forced to bring someone else in and carry 2 kickers for the season while hoping Aguayo gets it together. Losses in the NFL means somebody gets fired and the 1st time head coach cannot stake his entire career which has culminated in this fabulous NFL HC opportunity on the leg of 1 mental kicker.
I wanted Aguayo pre-draft and was not even really all that concerned about the 3rd and 4th round picks investment – because I assumed he would work out and be a very good kicker. Well – right now its a disaster so Licht and Koetter better come up with a reasonable plan “B” pretty quick if this situation doesn’t work itself out in the next week or so.
August 23rd, 2016 at 3:58 pm
Bonzai, the Lions have been twice in sixteen years including a season of infamy, 0-16, how many game winners did Hansen kick that year? The Raiders haven’t sniffed the playoffs since taking Janikowski in their Super Bowl year. Their best record 8-8 twice. Learn your history before opening your mouth. You see everything through your rose colored glasses and staunchly defend the Buccaneers no matter how many stupid moves our favorite franchise make. Multiple playoff years the Lions???? Do some research before bashing someone
August 23rd, 2016 at 3:59 pm
[…] after today: not only was Aguayo bad, but fans were heckling him. According to JoeBucsFan.com, he was booed, heard the FSU war chant, and heard a lone “You can do it!” a la “The […]
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:02 pm
He don’t want to play for the Bucs that’s why he’s tanking ao he can get cut.
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:03 pm
Honestly, since we’re not geared up for a deep playoff run right now, I say just get a replacement kicker on a one year deal and let this kid get his head screwed on. We can’t go in to the season and keep having him get further and further in to his own head. He needs to work this thing out. We’ve invested a lot in him, we need to have an ROI at some point. He’s not going to deliver at this point but I think he’s salvageable. Give him a year holding a clipboard like a QB and let’s let him figure it out.
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:04 pm
And Shane.,… fans like this? Have you seen our record the since 02? The fans have more than a right to boo every bad pick, every stupid move this franchise makes. Especially the NFL, that gouges you for every dime including pre season meaningless games. At least in Baseball Spring Training, it’s cheaper and you’re right up close to the players. Licht pick this guy because he’s an FSU fan like many of you. The 50 % from 40-49 last year should have been any indication of what we would see, instead, Licht trades up for him like a bad fantasy football fan.
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:17 pm
@bonzai….so what recent kickers have done this bad as a rookie and is still employed by the team that drafted/signed him out of college?….not sure how kickers have it tougher…a 32yard kick in the 90’s is the same as today…..my point is kickers have a short leash…they only have 1 job and that’s to kick thru the up rights….they don’t have to read defense/offenses….study a play book…get drafted then have to learn a new position(ryan smith)….they kick the ball….I have no sympathy for Roberto and hold nothing agaist the people who booed him….if a small crowd at practice rattles him, imagine what a stadium full of our division rivals would do?…the complete opposite…if he misses they will cheer….at what point do you start getting worried?..after week 4 or 5….GO BUCS!!!
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:24 pm
He is the best kicker we have ever had and this season will prove it
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:27 pm
Bonzai, you are wrong on so many levels, but lets look at facts shall we not rhetoric, which you specialize in. Read this wonderful fivethirtyeight article last on how FG% have improved each year over the course of time http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/kickers-are-forever/ and then please explain to me how FG’s, the things that Aguayo is missing with regularity, are harder than they once were. Then explain to me the need to trade up for a “superstar kicker” if the league average kicker is hitting 80% of their attempts.
Second, Bonzai, have you ever been to a baseball game? Ever hear a heckler at a game? So you think if a couple of fans at a PRACTICE heckle the kid and he can’t handle it, it’s the fans fault? Should you be in professional sports if you can’t handle a fan heckling you in PRACTICE let alone a game?
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:29 pm
@chris…damn…you on a roll….I agree with everything you just said….
@Patrick..i disagree…we have enough talent to get a wild card berth….GO BUCS!!!
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:31 pm
What a disgusting showing by our fans. This young mans dream is to play football–it’s not his fault he got drafted high. Those fans should be ashamed.
Janitor ski only made 68% of his rookie kicks.
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:32 pm
Janikowski (autocorrect)
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:32 pm
813bucboi
Yes week 4-5 seems about right maybe even week 8 but not preseason man and definitely not practice.
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:36 pm
@buc53… not his fault he was drafted high, but it is his fault he can’t make normal nfl kicks. If he wasn’t drafted high, he might be gone bc we would have another kicker in camp. The only thing saving him now is his draft status.
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:38 pm
DB, if he kicked at Iowa, would you still be as staunch of a supporter or would you be roasting it like many of our bad moves of the last 15 years.
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:40 pm
You would give this guy 4/5 games or up to week 8 of bad kicking before you would yank him? Good luck on that season. We didn’t give Bridnza that much leash.
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:41 pm
I think it’s a little early to panic. If he’s still missing kicks in 3 weeks, then you sign a vet and either hope Aguayo gets his head right, or you cut him. But if they do end up cutting him, that’s a lot of egg all over Jason Licht’s face!
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:42 pm
813 – I’m not disputing that at all. That’s why I included “deep” along with playoff run. We could certainly back our way in to the playoffs, but we’re not really at a level where we can make a deep run. I want us to be. I’d love to be proven wrong, but I think we’re a first round out this year. That’s why it’s a great year to let him get himself in order. That way we can get one more Licht draft under us and have Aguayo take a year to find himself. He can go meditate with Ricky Williams and try to center himself.
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:48 pm
They paid their money as season ticket holders. Some of witnessed pretty piss poor football over the last seven seasons. He’s a big boy, he’ll get over it. If he’s that brittle, he’s in the wrong league, the wrong position. He’ll hear worse if he misses FGs during real games…….paid athlete now. Not high school/college anymore.
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:50 pm
@Chris Bingo. They would have been all over Jason for the dumb pick while 31 other GMs were laughing. You can’t take a kicker there. This looks really bad right now but lets see what he can do on 9/11
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:51 pm
I hope the Bucs sign an old vet kicker. Mostly to be a consultant and to help guide Aguayo through these rough waters. If you take one of those old kickers and just work with him one on one to really pin down what is wrong with Aguayo. I think that would help him. The pressure is obviously too much right now. Which is a death sentence for most kickers, but I hope Aguayo can dig himself out of this hole.
August 23rd, 2016 at 5:11 pm
It’s pretty wild that this kicker fiasco is reaching commenter reaction numbers that are in the range of posts related to QB and HC issues. This has definitely gotten the attention of the fan base. Who would’ve thought that a kicker would move the needle like this.
August 23rd, 2016 at 5:17 pm
Well Patrick, this is getting national attention actually. It’s being talked about on ESPN and it’s getting on my national newsfeed. It’s not every day a kicker gets drafted in the second round (in fact it’s not every decade either). So when he starts to look like he’s flaming out due to the pressure in preseason before the games have started for a position that averages 80% success and usually costs nothing to acquire you have a national story, not just a Bucs story.
August 23rd, 2016 at 5:20 pm
@Tom S – You’re definitely right. I had hopes that we were moving away from the lead stories related to the team being the dysfunctional things, but here we are still. We need some wins this year for sure.
August 23rd, 2016 at 5:22 pm
This pick is a microcosm of this franchise. Bo Jackson, Ricky Bell over Tony Dorsett, Beasley Reese, Gaines Adams, the list goes on. We’ve become so accepting of failure on drafting that some here thinks it’s ok to wiff on Agauyo because second rounders aren’t guranteed success. There’s only been one time period where this franchise drafted well and we know where that took us. It’s become more than irritating for the fans to see us swing and miss on players for going on 15 years now. This is how you get mentioned with perennial losers like the Browns …. and sorry Bonzai, your juggernaut Lions team…. who have been such world beaters after taking Hansen so high that two all galaxy talents, Barry and Megatron quit in their prime.
August 23rd, 2016 at 5:24 pm
Sorry for the novel Joe, but it’s hard to be a Bucs fan and see another potential high draft Bucs pick possibly being a bust.
August 23rd, 2016 at 5:30 pm
@Patrick…I agree with losing in the first round…you’re correct we aren’t ready for a deep run….
@db55….that’s crazy talk….that would mean he has struggled for 2 going on 3 months….GO BUCS!!!!
August 23rd, 2016 at 5:39 pm
Of course the little poodle is talking about this all day and he’s getting conflicting reports from people that were there saying there was very little if any booing or “turning on” Aguayo. Some are saying there was a big negative fan reaction – others are saying it was negligible and not noticeable. Not sure what the truth is regarding fan reaction – but I did find it interesting to hear JBF’s radio partner refer to JBF on air as “Rabble Rousers”. LOL
What? JBF Stir the pot and sensationalize in the name of clicks? Never…..
August 23rd, 2016 at 5:42 pm
Turns out FOX has video proof that he was never heckled. Or claims to.
You guys wanted someone else with the pick, so nothing anyone says will ever convince you it was a good pick.
August 23rd, 2016 at 5:46 pm
@Bonzai – I think you’re focusing on the wrong part of the story. The absence of heckling doesn’t make it a solid pick if he’s bad. I don’t think anyone would take umbrage with where he was drafted by now if he were making his kicks.
August 23rd, 2016 at 5:49 pm
[…] to JoeBucsFan.com, fans heckled Aguayo with FSU’s famous war chant at Tuesday’s practice. They also reportedly showered him […]
August 23rd, 2016 at 6:01 pm
Bonzai, if he presses a magic button tomorrow and starts making 45 yrd field goals 80-90 percent of time like 99% of the rest of the league I would still say it’s a questionable pick with percentage of good place kickers in that you don’t need to waste a two on. If this is a harbinger of his season/ career it’s an all timer on bad draft picks. Hense the big media coverage over it right now.
August 23rd, 2016 at 6:12 pm
Chris Says:
August 23rd, 2016 at 4:38 pm
DB, if he kicked at Iowa, would you still be as staunch of a supporter or would you be roasting it like many of our bad moves of the last 15 years.
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I’d like to invoke my fifth amendment rights. I’m a total homer, what can I say.
But still some of youz make me sick throwing away perfectly good 2nd rounders the way youz do. Sick! Youz aught to be ashamed of ya selves.
August 23rd, 2016 at 6:14 pm
Is there anyway the Bucs can put this guy on IR and “red shirt” him? We need a competent kicker. We learned last year a kicker will cost games…
August 23rd, 2016 at 6:29 pm
This is what happens when a GM tries to be “the smartest guy in the room”. If you want to become great, be good, over and over. Draft with the same philosophy.
August 23rd, 2016 at 6:42 pm
Doesn’t even matter if he is good or bad…. stupid move by our GM!!! We should be talking about Jon Bullard and Pharoh Cooper, not a kicker!
August 23rd, 2016 at 6:42 pm
I wasn’t at practice today but I sure a spit would have booed his ass and at the game you already know I’m booeing and talking spit
August 23rd, 2016 at 6:43 pm
But I still think he will turn it around and watch it’s gonna be Jameis that helps him the most !
August 23rd, 2016 at 6:45 pm
Unfortunately this is probably going to carry into the season, however he will eventually get passed it and kickers last a long time. I understand what nerces can do to a guy and how its hard to break out of a slump. If and when he breaks out of it everyone can.embrace him. It is pretty classless to dogpile on the guy, ASJ was showing a lack of effort. He deserved it, this guy is trying. Give him some time and chill the fock out. He will eventually get passed it. If we dont support him it will just make it harder. Again the effort is there and his talent is proven. Support the guy and give him a chance to beat this in his mind
August 23rd, 2016 at 6:49 pm
Meanwhile Licht cheerleader-in-chief SR was all over this move. What a genius move this was etc. There’s a reason why these beat writers are just that. Despite what someone said, the local media was quite open to the pick, even positive in some circles, like Joe.
Far from the professionals like the GM who called it the worst draft pick in the history of the draft. Someone at One Buc needs to hire that guy, it looks like he knows what he is talking about.
August 23rd, 2016 at 7:02 pm
@Kevin- Great statement! Some people unfortunately have short fuses, especially the media.
August 23rd, 2016 at 7:03 pm
[…] to Hall of Fame voter Ira Kaufman, half the fans were letting Aguayo have it, shouting the Florida State war chant and one fan […]
August 23rd, 2016 at 7:16 pm
@pickgrin
If this continues leading up to Sept 11th, I expect Aguayo to suddenly develop a “pulled hamstring” and be placed on IR for the year so he can clear his head and work on his craft and his confidence. Ala Kenny Bell (for whom that strategy didn’t seem to work).
There’s no way Agauyo will be cut this year considering the 2nd round investment. If the “IR” thing doesn’t happen and Aguayo misses kicks in his 1st couple of regular season games, then Koetter will be forced to bring someone else in and carry 2 kickers for the season while hoping Aguayo gets it together. Losses in the NFL means somebody gets fired and the 1st time head coach cannot stake his entire career which has culminated in this fabulous NFL HC opportunity on the leg of 1 mental kicker.
I wanted Aguayo pre-draft and was not even really all that concerned about the 3rd and 4th round picks investment – because I assumed he would work out and be a very good kicker. Well – right now its a disaster so Licht and Koetter better come up with a reasonable plan “B” pretty quick if this situation doesn’t work itself out in the next week or so.
I see what your saying but I believe they were thinking they’d keep 3 QB’s. There is no way they would carry 3 QB’s and 2 PK’s. The most plausible solution is IR. I’m not sure how bad that rule can be prostituted though??? I’m sure finding a competent kicker wouldn’t be too hard…
August 23rd, 2016 at 7:24 pm
I never liked the pick, but I never thought it would be this much of a disaster either.
August 23rd, 2016 at 8:10 pm
Where the heck is Pablo? Your amigo needs some support. A night of table dancing might be just what he needs!
Can we just relax a little bit? When, or if, he starts costing us games, then we can start freaking out.
As for the “drafted too early to handle the pressure crowd”. That’s BS. Was JW3 drafted too early? Is that why he can’t play well early? Is that why he was 0-for-forever in the last preseason game?
August 23rd, 2016 at 8:20 pm
@ Bonzai/Jason Licht/FSU homer – Dude, you don’t develop a kicker. Period. Especially, a second rounder. They need to kill it out of the gate. He has the yips. That’s bad. Try to keep up and stop coddling. Maybe you can give him a participation trophy. You’re either a total idiot or an FSU homer. Give it a rest. The bar is high for a 2nd round Kicker. Deal with it. You’re whining is child-like. Grow a pair. Life is hard.
August 23rd, 2016 at 8:32 pm
T REX spot on the guy has one job: make kcks PERIOD, jonathan bullard would have been great pick then get aguayo later… i know the OSU kicker sucked to start he was on bucs after jets now killing it with bengals, mike nugent so hope aguyao clicks or him and licht should be packing it up
August 23rd, 2016 at 8:49 pm
Bucs first kicker (Rajecki): “coach makes me nervous”; coach McKay: tell the kicker that I plan on attending all of the games.
Yarno the guard replaced another hyped FSU kicker, Bill Capece (“Capece is kaput.”)
MRSA kicker.
Now Roberto McShanks.
The position is jinxed.
August 23rd, 2016 at 10:18 pm
I just don’t understand what the problem is? Isn’t the goal post the same in college? Bring his old practice coaching staff to help him… Let him go practice at FSU by himself for a day.
Something has to be done, there is no way he forgot how to kick overnight. Perhaps all these changes in his life is too much for him to handle. He needs to simplify.
Have him kick 10 yard field goals until he can do it blind folded… Or maybe have him practice at Raymond James at 2:00 am.
Somebody help this kid!!!!
August 23rd, 2016 at 10:35 pm
He just needs to relax and get into a groove. That’s easier said than done with all the extra focus on him. He’ll probably struggle a little while longer and at some point things will start to click. Meanwhile, he’ll have to put up with tons of abuse from Bucs fans. There’s no way they’re going to give up on their 2nd round pick. It would be nice if fans could be a little patient with the guy instead of hurling abuse at him.
August 24th, 2016 at 12:07 am
mike n:
It makes no difference—the fans behavior was disgusting. I said it after James was drafted and message boards erupted–we have a lot of Gator/Bucs fans and they behave extremely poorly when it comes to Noles who come to Tampa. I’m definitely NOT saying it’s all Gators.
THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR HECKLING OUR OWN PLAYERS. PERIOD.
If you do—find another team because you’re a terrible fan, and we don’t need you.
August 24th, 2016 at 1:10 am
Time Capsule:
April 30th, 2016
Calming Words For Aguayo Haters (JBF.com)
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2016/04/calming-words-for-aguayo-haters/
August 24th, 2016 at 1:15 am
*(Cont.)
April 29th, 2016
Draft 2nd & 3rd Round Open Thread
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2016/04/draft-2nd-3rd-round-open-thread/