Offense “Hell” Without Cherilus
July 31st, 2016
Floppy hat patrol not good for offense.
Joe can’t remember if it was Raheem Morris or Lovie Smith that started the tradition of Veterans Day at training camp.
Vested veterans the Bucs count on to be solid starters come September are given periodic, random days off in training camp, so too much needed tread isn’t burned off the tires, hoping the extra rest helps the gas mileage come December (or beyond).
So yesterday, right tackle Gosder Cherilus was dispatched to floppy hat patrol and wandered the sidelines as a spectator. The difference in the offense without Cherilus was marked, said Bucs coach Dirk Koetter after Saturday’s rain-interrupted practice.
And the difference without Cherilus was awful, Koetter said.
Koetter was frustrated with all the penalties the offense made Saturday and Koetter believes one reason for all the mistakes was Cherilus watching and not practicing.
“Yeah, Gos got a little ‘veteran day’ today,” Koetter said. “I told him look what happens when he doesn’t practice, everything goes to hell.”
The PFF tribe may not want to hear it; some Bucs fans don’t want to know it. But Cherilus is not just some interchangeable part. From what Joe has been told by someone in the know at One Buc Palace, Cherilus does a whole lot of good that isn’t always found on an All-22 video much less a spreadsheet.
It seems Cherilus, who is in the sunset of his career, sort of gives the offensive line needed stability.
July 31st, 2016 at 4:25 am
Interesting observation by Coach. I assume that Donovan Smith (LT), Marpet (G) and Hawley (C) were in their regular positions when he said it, and that Pamphile was filling in for Sweezy (G). So Gos had been getting 1st team reps at RT prior to this instead of Dotson? Wouldn’t that leave Dotson to fill in while Gos rested? Sounds like Gos is winning the RT battle at this point.
We’d also have Evan Smith and several rookies & 1st year guys to fill in. Oh wait, maybe we don’t really have the quality OLine depth we were hoping that we did. Since Bucs will probably keep at least 8 OLinemen (and more likely 9 I’d think), wouldn’t be surprised to see Licht grab an experienced backup when other teams cut down.
July 31st, 2016 at 6:57 am
@Defense
What Gos did last year was invaluable and we may need him again as starter.
But its still early in training camp,would like to see a battle for the job.Also think Dotson has got to be a bit rusty from lack of playing time after his injury.
July 31st, 2016 at 8:44 am
@defense rules
That would be a good analysis of true. Are you even paying attention to camp. Dotson has been getting the 1st team reps on oline, not Gos. The 1st team oline through the first 2 days of camp is smith, pamphile, hawley, marpet and Dotson. The only change being e. smith at center for day 3 of camp. In case you didn’t know, koetter was referring to Gos getting a day off in general, not a day off with the 1s. Dotson has been there the whole time sir.
July 31st, 2016 at 9:00 am
@ jghoti
DEfense rules is one of the more knowledgeable and informed posters on this site,relax,man.
don’t recall seeing your screen name before,so welcome!
July 31st, 2016 at 9:11 am
@Bob in Valrico
I didn’t say anything negative or degrading. I even said that would be a good analysis if true. But it was not correct. Gos has not been running with the 1st team like Dotson has. Gos’ day off was not for Dotson to replace him cause Dotson has been running with the 1s since the start of camp. His day off was from the 2nd team oline. The only change was yesterday with smith filling in for Harley at center some with the 1s. So what did I say that was wrong opposed to what defense rules said?! Knowledgable and informed or not…
And very relaxed sir, thanks for the welcome though!
July 31st, 2016 at 10:03 am
@jghoti was referring to :are you even paying attention to camp comment.
Believe what your saying about Dotson is accurate as to who is first team.
sounds like you were at camp and the thanks for the info on Evans.So who in your opinion was committing the penalties.Gos did have some penalties last year but also took Donovan Smith under his wing and was instrumental in his development.
And it is is highly possible that it was just a tongue in cheek on Koetter’s
part.
July 31st, 2016 at 10:20 am
@ Bob in Valrico
You’re right, I could see that comment taking that way. That’s not the way I meant it though. Im a dude and that’s just how I talk and conversate, that’s why I tried to preface everything I said with, that would’ve been a great analysis of true.
And as far as pre snap mentals that I saw was C Benenoch and T Fallen or however you spell his name. I think Koetter was talking sloppy as a team and as a whole, not just the 1st team…a collective thing.
And from what I have read and understand and the little I’ve seen, Gos was even more instrumental for Smiths development than Mankins, even tho Mankins was attached at the hip and playing on the same side as Smith. Only D. Smith knows tha true answer to that though. And we all know what Mankins meant to us on and off the field to this team last year. Well deserved pro bowl!
July 31st, 2016 at 10:22 am
@ Bob
Unfortunate what happened to D. Robertson this offseason, even if “camp meat” there was something that stood out about him…a dim not referring to his enormous frame
July 31st, 2016 at 10:59 am
@Jghoti
its all good,and thanks for the report on camp.Keep em coming. You are right we will miss Mankins.
July 31st, 2016 at 11:01 am
OMG!!!
What an exchange between JGHot and BobinValrico!!!
WTF is going on guys…a sane…thoughtful RESPECTFUL exchange on a sports blog? You two have made my morning! Now if we could capture the attitude of you two and expand it to our political discourse.
July 31st, 2016 at 11:18 am
@stpetebucs
Haha, takes (at least) 2 to tango and yes, you are right, I have not been on here with said exchange with Bob being my first, but I already respect his opinion and conversing with him. My kind of people
And as far as the political discourse, I think what we all forget when it comes to disagreements, debates (hopefully healthy), opinions, beliefs, etc. is that not everyone or all parties involved have to be all right or all wrong, both or all parties CAN be both parts right and parts wrong at the same time. And that’s ok. That’s alright!
But as we know, if ‘a’ party wins the presidency and congress, we have to live with consequences.
July 31st, 2016 at 11:46 am
Stpetebucsfan Says:
July 31st, 2016 at 11:01 am
OMG!!!
What an exchange between JGHot and BobinValrico!!!
WTF is going on guys…a sane…thoughtful RESPECTFUL exchange on a sports blog? You two have made my morning! Now if we could capture the attitude of you two and expand it to our political discourse.
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Haha! I thought the same thing..I kept thinking these two should have their own Buc show or podcast together!
July 31st, 2016 at 1:21 pm
Actually enjoyed talk with jghoti myself and look forward to his posts.and thanks to you both for pointing out that we can all get along.
July 31st, 2016 at 7:11 pm
@jghoti
did you hear the story about Dotson late in the year. Lovie told warhop that Dotson would start. Warhop told Dotson he would start . Then Lovie decided to stay withy Gos. Dotson went to Lovie and lovie would not admit he made the decision and blamed it on warhop. Warhop went back to Dotson ,and was very upset and reiterated that Lovie had made the decision. So Dotson is getting his chance. Since it would seem GOS was one of Licht’s first bridge player I really hope there is for both of them,whoever wins the starting job.