Impatience Rules In Tampa
June 5th, 2016
Chucky’s latest underscores rampant impatience throughout the NFL.
Every hardcore Bucs fan knows It’s My Life is Chucky’s favorite song.
Hell, the 2000 Bon Jovi pop/rock classic probably inspired a whole lot of veteran signings by the Buccaneers.
Jon Gruden was all about winning immediately and screw the damn future. And Team Glazer embraced Chucky’s quick-fix mindset and he lasted seven years. The Bucs’ Super Bowl-winning coach got fired after back-to-back 9-7 seasons, an occurrence that would be parade-worthy if it happened now.
When Team Glazer went the build-for-the-future route, Raheem Morris and Greg Schiano fell on their faces. Lovie Smith? He progressed, but not fast enough. Simple as that.
Team Glazer hired Dirk Koetter for the right now. Mike Smith is the ultimate right-now coordinator for the defense. The checkbook was on overdrive in free agency.
Those are all reasons why Joe has no problem repeatedly stating that Koetter has two years to get the Bucs to 9-7. If not, there’s nothing to suggest Koetter will earn a third season in Tampa. No way.
Back to Chucky, Joe will revisit what he told Chris Fischer of WTSP-TV, Ch. 10, last month. Joe suggest you read closely.
“I think they’re a playoff team,” Chucky said of the 2016 Bucs. “The whole league, the way teams reassemble every year it’s amazing. As a broadcaster I see that. There’s 20 to 25 new players, and there’s new coaches and new people in the front office on every time. So it’s not like there’s sure things, minus New England, maybe Seattle.
“Other than that, it’s a crap shoot, you know that. Tampa Bay’s got to get off to a better start. They gotta win at home. … We gotta start winning these home games. That’s how you get back to the playoffs.”
June 5th, 2016 at 10:40 am
The Bucs should give Koetter at least 4 years to turn this around, give him a chance to build through the draft, and to bring Jameis along. Changing coaches every 2 years will not cut it in the NFL.
June 5th, 2016 at 10:46 am
It’s easier for teams with a QB and a decent D to win early… Would rather start Q1 .500 and start to gel and get hot during the year then peak at the beginning and fall flat at the end.
June 5th, 2016 at 10:56 am
I smell super bowl.Tampaaaaaaaaaa
June 5th, 2016 at 10:57 am
Raheem Morris was building through the draft and the Bucs wasn’t signing any big name free agents. Greg Schiano and Lovie Smith was signing a lot of high priced, worthless free agents. Lovie was also signing a lot of the trash that got fired in Chicago, instead of bringing in young fresh players. I believe Rah was on the right path, but his players quit on him. If we can beat Atlanta in the Georgia Dome in our opening, that should set the stage for a winning season.
June 5th, 2016 at 10:58 am
Virtually no coach beyond a select few are guaranteed more than two years.
It’s been that way since I was a kid.
NFL: Not For Long.
And with the structure of the draft, free agency and salary cap, improving quickly is much easier than in decades past. Remember when there was no salary cap and no real free agency? If you sucked back then, you’d suck for many, many years.
June 5th, 2016 at 11:00 am
Koetter has 4 years. Glaziers and Licht know they have the right guy. 2 years is a laugh. He has a better resume than any of our previous coaches. Yes Lovie went to a super bowl but his Resume is outdated and worth about as much as toilet paper. It would be foolish to give up on koetter too soon. Unless he falls flat on his face like lovie did but ill bet a decent amount of cash that wont happen and Im pretty sure not many people would lay cash on that bet
June 5th, 2016 at 11:08 am
Baaaaaaaay
June 5th, 2016 at 11:21 am
You guys come up with the most ludicrous BS I’ve ever heard! 4 years to turn this club around, LOVIE got you the foundation, now pick up the pieces and finish the job: 9 wins this year or be gone…….to the corn fields, LOVIE holds no grudges!! And after drafting a kicker in the 2 round, if this guy misses a game winning field goal from inside the forty early in the season, then your HOME RUN HITTER GM BACK/STABBER, should be fired immediately after the missed kick!!0)??
June 5th, 2016 at 11:33 am
https://youtu.be/mJUI-NRDflU
Joe….you & Jon need to latch on to the REAL “IT’S MY LIFE” originally recorded in 1964 by Eric Burdon & the Animals. TEN TIMES better than the knock off Bon Jovi perpetrated some 20 years later. In fact it’s the version that the Boss has covered many times in his live concerts. Although he does acknowledge Bon Jovi’s song, there’s still only ONE It’s My Life and it’s THIS ONE!
https://youtu.be/lV_ftHlvB10
June 5th, 2016 at 11:35 am
@bIGhoghaynes, Go lay down…if all u do is bash whomever the topic is about, why are you a BUCS fan?
Seriously homie…what’s good with ya? Is there any element of the team/organization that you do LIKE? If so, please elaborate
#BUCUTALKINBOUT
YO JOE!
GO BUCS!!!
June 5th, 2016 at 11:47 am
I didn’t miss a single home game from ’76 to ’96. I know what patience looks like.
June 5th, 2016 at 11:52 am
BigHog what foundation was laid? The foundation of being mentally weak? The foundation of not being prepared? The foundation of getting more penalties that your opponent every week? The foundation of picking up old washed up players that cannot play anywhere else in the league? Dirk Koetter and Jameis fixed the offense and everything else sucked which is what Lovie was in charge of. Licht made his mistakes in Michael Johnson, Anthony Collins, Kyle Brindza, but the rest are all former Lovie players and if you truly believe that they were not brought here 100% because of Lovie then you are completely lost and should give up watching the sport.
June 5th, 2016 at 11:54 am
It wasn’t just lovies record. It was nepotism and idiocy, and embarrassing defeats. 1. Its not possible we go 2-14. And even if we go 6-10 we won’t be a laughing stock
June 5th, 2016 at 12:05 pm
@ MCMDaddy210: FACT: Been a Bucs fan since 1976. Elaboration > I’ll bash whoever I chose but the HOME RUN HITTER is my favorite target, it is “my” belief that he threw LOVIE under the bus for one reason, TOTAL CONTROL, I know people have different opinions, but that is my take on it! Still Elaborating > Now let’s win games, no more excuses, LOVIE done ate all that up, put a winner on the field, because if you don’t this staff will change again, and that my co-poster does nothing for winning! We needed talent, now we have some “more” talent put your ALL WORLD STAFF to work and win 9 games, that’s it!! MY BROTHER!
June 5th, 2016 at 12:08 pm
I am amazed that Joe is putting a qualifying number for success on the Brand New coaching staff!!! Especially when you see how the last couple of seasons of how the strength of schedule equates to the division winner!!! last three years to win the division
2013 – 12 wins
2014 – 7 wins
2015 – 15 wins
This year is the “honeymoon” then we can set the baseline for expectations!!!
June 5th, 2016 at 12:13 pm
Ok…..Now that we have heard your take for the umpteenth time Big Hog can we not hear it again until the season plays out?
-signed, Everyone.
June 5th, 2016 at 12:16 pm
Raheem and Schiano were fired because they lost control of the team. Lovie was the long-term solution, but his stubbornnes and outdated methods – wouldn’t fire his inexperienced son as DB coach despite us being one of the worst in NFL history in allowing yards per catch, brought in old/familiar players to play his scheme rather than finding talented players to fit a scheme around, didn’t like taking chances in games (scoring before the half was a scary idea), team was very undisciplined leading the league in penalties, etc. Lovie was an OK coach, but the Glazers were smart enough to see that while the team did get better (as expected), we lacked the fire and the swagger to get back to the mountaintop. I see more patience with Koetter because A) of his relationship with Winston B) he’s a player’s coach like lovie, but unlike lovie he’ll hold players accountable c) he’s experienced, not as an NFL head coach but overall, and has an experienced staff in place behind him to take a lot of responsibility off his plate d) he has has young nucleus that will only get better with each draft e) koetter and staff will make adjustments and actually gameplan to attacking an opponent’s weakness….leading to more wins.
June 5th, 2016 at 12:17 pm
Bucobruce don’t it smell good. Sort of like a mix between fine wine,a new car,money right off the meant and scoring wit that beautiful women you been trying to get for like two years.
June 5th, 2016 at 12:20 pm
@ Jolly Bucs: 6-10 is 6-10 I would have expected LOVIE to do better than that this year, a loss is a loss in my book by 10 or by 25 it’s a loss, if nepotism got LOVIE fired so be it, but your GM has Total Controll now 9 wins or clean house!!
June 5th, 2016 at 12:28 pm
Its amazing to see those who are supposed “Fans” that are trying to setup this franchise for failure when all they want to be is right!!!!! Funny how we did not hear that “9 wins or lovie is gone”!!!!! Funny how young kids are supposed to be the core and play at a playoff level already!!! So many are just angry that the past did not repeat and now want to burn down our beloved team!!!!!
June 5th, 2016 at 12:30 pm
Thank you Feel the pewter power..One of the best comments yet..
Lovie sucked.. period…if you did not see that then please turn your channel to the dodgeball tournament.
Start with his OC would not return. He kept his DC even after Lovie took over the defense. His son sucks as a coach..The team look like they were at a pickup game on Sunday afternoon.
Lovie is not a good Coach…4 years would not have changed that…How many years did he have in Chicago?. Exactly .
So bury the Lovie talk y’all can watch him on ESPN THE OCHO..
CORNFIELD BOWL
June 5th, 2016 at 12:41 pm
I really do think that Joe is way off the reservation on this one!!!! On NFLradio they were talking of the correlation of number of players on second contracts that the team drafted and number to number of playoff appearances!!! This team “real” core is still very young!!!!!Now that the “Right” coaches are in place The Buc Realist will use his “Pass” card for them to setup this team correctly!!!!!
June 5th, 2016 at 12:44 pm
Joe when u say read closely do u mean how Chcky refers to the Bucs as “WE”?
June 5th, 2016 at 12:48 pm
SB with Jameis Says:
Ok…..Now that we have heard your take for the umpteenth time Big Hog can we not hear it again until the season plays out?
-signed, Everyone.
AMEN BROTHA.
And yes bighog, a loss by 25 – 45 points is much f@ckin worse than a loss by 10. Lovie had quite a few of those. He simply wasn’t good as HC of this team, get over it.
June 5th, 2016 at 12:51 pm
I wasn’t going to bother but I will.
Who here can spot the idiot in this thread?
June 5th, 2016 at 12:53 pm
@RJbucnut,
Chuckys heart is still with this team. He still hasn’t gotten over the Glazers firing him. It’s endearing, despite his faults.
June 5th, 2016 at 1:12 pm
Or spot a jackass? I can!
June 5th, 2016 at 1:21 pm
All I have to say (for now) is that everyone who doesn’t put down at least $100 on the Bucs to win the Superbowl this season is going to regret it.
June 5th, 2016 at 1:21 pm
The season has not started ATrain! You put stuff up you can’t know any thing about. Realist reborn!
June 5th, 2016 at 1:22 pm
Question of whether Dirk Koetter gets 2 or 3 or 4 years isn’t relevant. He’s the right man for the job and the Glazers know it. Coach Koetter has 3 things going for him right now that Rah, Schiano and Lovie didn’t really have: (1) A franchise QB in Jameis Winston; (2) an outstanding background in running NFL offenses; (3) an excellent defensive coordinator. Bucs haven’t had that combination since Jon Gruden and Monty Kiffin were here (and they didn’t have a true franchise QB).
Barring a significant number of injuries to starting players, there’s no reason Bucs won’t get someplace between 8-10 wins this year, and do at least 1-2 wins better than that in 2017.
June 5th, 2016 at 1:23 pm
AIR KOETTER 2016.
Don’t sleep on this offense.
June 5th, 2016 at 1:24 pm
SUPERBOWL YOU TALKIN SUPERBOWL HA..HA..HA!!
June 5th, 2016 at 1:26 pm
I really don’t buy the argument that the Glazers are impatient. I think what we’ve seen with the last 3 coaches is that they realized that each of them were pretty serious mistakes, and they weren’t getting what they thought they were getting when they hired them. So, you get rid of a coach as soon as you conclude that he’s not the guy. Simple as that. At least they didn’t hang on to their mistakes too long.
I hate to say up front that a coach has X number of years. It’s unhealthy to look at it that way. You don’t start any relationship with ultimatums. That said, they really do have things set up to take the next steps. Beside the influx of talent in the last few years, Koetter hired some damn good coaches. This is probably the best coaching staff this team has had in a long time. We should expect them to challenge for playoffs. Over the next few years, if the team is not a playoff team, something has gone wrong.
June 5th, 2016 at 1:40 pm
BigHogHaynes Says:
June 5th, 2016 at 12:05 pm
Yeah, don’t let the lack of evidence affect your precious opinion.
Facts:
1) Lovie is stubborn, we all know that
2) Lovie is rigid and narrow in his defensive thought process
3) Lovie would not fire what was widely regarded as a poor collection of DB coaches
4) Lovie’s defense could not defend a slant pass
5) Lovie throws up his hands and refuses to score at the end of a half. Too risky.
6) Lovie kneecapped players who used dirty language
7) The defense played like Lovie’s personality: a dead fish, passive, and boring.
8) Licht’s job is to report the facts to the Glazers at season’s end and he did so
9) Glazers decided, especially with a coach like Koetter under contract, that letting Lovie go and making Koetter head coach was the best thing for the team’s future.
10) Jason Licht did not throw Lovie under the bus.
So there’s your facts, BigHog… Lovie was awful, as anyone paying attention could tell. Jason Licht is the man, and should have control.
June 5th, 2016 at 1:45 pm
Hear this 9 wins that’s what I said, 9 wins you got the right coaches, brung in more talent, hear it again 9 wins will make me notice progress, I hope our HC is here for the long hall, and I know why expectations are so high, but they rarely work out so quickly in the NFL! With this schedule 9 wins would be fantastic. Unbelievable you running things now!!
June 5th, 2016 at 1:52 pm
Sailfish: stick to your guns, that’s what I’m doing, but I do truly love all your research & opinions, too much ammo for me to try and knock over, but I’ll stick with my gut feelings come hell or high water because I know what I know!!
June 5th, 2016 at 1:55 pm
ATrain,
What channel is the dodgeball tournament on?
Love me some dodgeball.
June 5th, 2016 at 1:58 pm
BigHogHaynes Says:
I’ve toured One Buc Palace and can attest to numerous long halls.
I hope Koetter appreciates the architecture & engineering that went into their design…
😉
June 5th, 2016 at 2:20 pm
Sup fellas. I’m sure someone pissed in my cornflakes yesterday so my bad if I offended you.
Imo if anyone gets fired it will be Mike smith first. I say Koetter stays until Jaboo’s rookie contract is over at minimum.
With Smith gone Hayes takes over Def and re-creates Cincy’s def in Tampa.
June 5th, 2016 at 2:22 pm
Jon Bovi’s “It’s my life”, never heard it. Like jb said, the Animals, if it is the same song it is hard to top the original.
June 5th, 2016 at 3:15 pm
Wait you are trying to Imply Lovie did a better job than Rah or Schiano? Thats how I take it when you say “Raheem and Schiano fell on their faces” but “Lovie didnt progress fast enough”. Thats hot garbage Joe. Lovie was worse than either of them. He just happened to have a better GM. His coaching was even worse than either of the other 2 as well as his record. Got to be kidding me with that crap.
June 5th, 2016 at 4:04 pm
Never mind BigHog spotted himself.
June 5th, 2016 at 4:11 pm
Lovie brought in Licht…why would would Licht seek Lovie getting fired? We all saw how shaken-up Licht was at the press conference after Lovie was fired. The guy could barely speak.
June 5th, 2016 at 4:26 pm
LMFAO!!!!
C’mon Hog, you don’t really believe Lovie built anything on this team do you? Jason Licht is the man with the plan and Koetter is going to execute with the team he builds. Who did Lovie bring here???? Jason Licht has clearly been doing well with things on his side where Lovie miserably failed at ALL! I’m sorry Love is a good guy but he gets zero credit for this team when it starts to win. The amount of losses he had in two seasons is a joke with any roster in this league. I will say Koetter needs to show immediate improvement to hang around, at least 7 or 8 wins at minimum in his first season. But I’m not going to judge sole based on record. I’m going to be watching his game management and roster management. If he puts has been’s and guys at the bottom of the depth chart as starters and has his starters on the bench…he’s gone. If he goes into the locker room at halftime with three timeouts on the board while they are behind….he will be gone. If he promises a good product and his team continues to regress he will be gone. If he has Mike Smith running a defense that a 5th grader can pick apart and refuses to mix it up and adjust to his players strengths, he will be gone. Here’s the beautiful thing with Koetter, he’s not stupid enough to do any of those things. He is a football coach with common sense, creativity and passion. It wasn’t the losses that bothered me as much with Lovie, it was the way they lost. They never passed the eye test. Good teams lose games when playing against good teams, it happens. The Bucs were never a good team under Lovie Smith. When you know the team is going to lose before the game starts it ‘s time for a change. With Koetter I am confident we will always be on the edge of our seats!!!
GO BUCS!!!
June 5th, 2016 at 4:27 pm
Couch fan is right!!!! What did the Incompetent one accomplish while he was here??? High draft picks are just an effect of how bad he was!!!! It was one of the most embarrassing era’s in Buc History!!! Now we know that the Glazers almost ( and should have) fired The Incompetent one after year 1!!! Then the way he handled getting canned with no class!!! I lost what little respect I had for him!!!! He was hot garbage and was taken out like it!!!!
Good Riddance to bad rubbish!!!
June 5th, 2016 at 4:36 pm
What…..A…..Thread!
June 5th, 2016 at 4:41 pm
That a bit rough Realist….but I agree with everything you said. Love deserved to be fired, and for him to act as surprised as he did was rather idiotic. Gotta love what we’ve got working now with Koetter & Smitty, but we’ll have to wait & see.
I know I feel more positive going into this season as I have since Gruden was here.
June 5th, 2016 at 4:43 pm
SHOCKER!!!! Talib got shot
June 5th, 2016 at 4:49 pm
Scotty
Boys will be boys? Lol.
Reports say he was shot in the leg and has been released from the emergency room.
June 5th, 2016 at 4:56 pm
Where in the hell was LOVIE the last two years, he had a hand in what’s here before free agency this year good and bad, I just like to give everyone their props, coach K did a good job with his opportunity, even got a promotion, the HOME RUN HITTER, did good when he made the call, but when his free agency picks went bad, they were LOVIE’S picks, every one has a spinn, I try to keep the measuring stick the same, I wouldn’t mind if we won 9 games or more, but one thing is for sure no team is gonna lie down and gift is a win, and I love the fact that I can have an opinion and let it be known and you can’t do a damn thing about it!! It’s a new world people and I love my freedom to speak! And yes the BACK-STABBER did throw LOVIE under the bus, for the love of POWER!
June 5th, 2016 at 5:00 pm
Come on in 87 the water is warming up!!
June 5th, 2016 at 5:03 pm
@Buc1987
Don’t do it!!!! That water looks a little bit yellow around bighogheinous!!!!!
June 5th, 2016 at 5:18 pm
BigHog, I hate to tell you, but there is no way the Bucs win 9 games this season. I’m still seeing 6-10 right now. 9-10 wins next season.
June 5th, 2016 at 5:35 pm
BigHogHaynes Says:
June 5th, 2016 at 4:56 pm
You know what they call beliefs that have no evidence, or with plenty of evidence to the contrary? They’re called DELUSIONS, my friend. People can and do believe anything they want, but when facts point elsewhere, they call it something else too. They call it WRONG! Which is what you are here. Flying Spaghetti Monster rules the universe!
June 5th, 2016 at 5:58 pm
The article got it right. Lovie did “progress” the team. Just not fast enough.
Most fans won’t admit it but will contradict themselves with foolish statements like we are “Super Bowl or playoff bound”
The foundation big hog spoke of is very real. Lovie was handed an untalented crappy team and built a foundation…….There is no 4year window for Koetter, that’s ridiculous. This team has enough talent to win now. If they can’t start winning heads need to roll.
And quit comparing Lovie to Schiano and Rah. Bad comparisons. Lovie had full team control, he was more then just a HC……better comparisons would be to Dominick or Gruden.
June 5th, 2016 at 6:02 pm
Lmao Realist…I’ve been in this type of water many times on JBF.
I’ll just kick back for now in my hammock and enjoy the scenery!
Carry on boys…
June 5th, 2016 at 6:33 pm
The teams’ year-end collapse is what cost Lovie his job, and possibly his refusal to fire his friends and spawn from the D staff.
The team was 6-6 and could have been better. They were in the hunt. The last 4 games, winnable most, were abysmal. IMO, the team lost faith in his D system and it showed. They finished lethargic and getting worse.
The end of last season was pathetically dismal. Decent teams finish strong. Losers get worse.
I feel like a boat owner: It was a happy day when Lovie was hired, and happier when he was fired…
The Glazers did the right thing: dump Lovie and put Licht in charge. So fart, wow! What a difference.
It’s a new day in Tampa Bay, and this time without any heartstrings tugging from the past…
“Simple as that.”
June 5th, 2016 at 6:45 pm
I thought Lovie was an unimaginative choice to begin with. It was clear the Glazers were at a loss for how to proceed and just reached into the past. They didn’t bother to look at Lovie’s less than compelling legacy in Chicago. The Glazers need someone in charge of all football operations, because they should never, ever be allowed to participate in a coaching search again. They’re clueless. Thankfully, Lovie made one good move in recommending Licht as GM. So at least we have a knowledgeable football person in charge for the foreseeable future.
June 5th, 2016 at 8:19 pm
Essentially everybody is saying the same thing, that the Bucs are better looking ahead, It’s so thick you could cut it with a knife.
June 5th, 2016 at 9:00 pm
What you cutting butter, don’t need a sharp knife for that job, realist brush your teeth with it, it’s better than being pissed on! No SUPERBOWL, no playoffs, show progress by winning 9 games, good nite all the game is on!!
June 5th, 2016 at 9:09 pm
Did any1 see that Talib got shot in Dallas?
June 6th, 2016 at 8:13 am
The Glazers we smart and noticed that we have the right GM in place to build for the future, evident of his drafting skills. He didn’t back stab anyone. Lovie dug his own grave by not wanting to get rid of his poor coaching sons and wanting everything to be “my way or the highway.” The only foundation Lovie layed was hiring Koetter & Licht. In the end his failure to adapt and fix his glaring problems was the reason he got canned. The defense was getting getting worse, not better. And he refused to fix the problems, Wich was mainly his (defensive) coaching staff. That’s why he was forced to walk the plank.
June 6th, 2016 at 4:20 pm
It will all come to fruition come September. All of the talk will be over. We shall see what we have. I just don’t want to hear the post game excuses. We hired you to Win Koetter. Simple as that. There is a middle seat fishing chair along side Schiano and Lovie waiting for you if you Don’t. Yep..its that simple!