Team Glazer, Simeon Rice & Unfinished Business
May 13th, 2016
Tampa Bay’s iconic Custodian of Canton, eye-RAH! Kaufman, offers insight.
Many questions are swirling when it comes to iconic Buccaneers and their chances of landing in the Hall of Fame.
How close is John Lynch, and why is there urgency to get Lynch enshrined for 2017?
What about Simeon Rice and Ronde Barber?
And will Tampa Bay’s lone representative voter for the Hall, the Custodian of Canton himself, eye-RAH! Kaufman, keep his vote now that his job was axed?
Kaufman’s Tampa Tribune was bought and shut down by the Tampa Bay Times last week, a Big Media chew-and-spit job of the highest order.
Kaufman offered loads of answers Monday, when he sat down with Steve Duemig of WDAE-AM 620. Kaufman went deep on all these topics, and Joe suggests you crack a beer and listen to the whole podcast right here.
One especially interesting revelation from Kaufman was that Team Glazer wants to know why Simeon Rice isn’t in the mix for Hall of Fame selection. Team Glazer doesn’t get it.
Rice has not even been a nominee, and there are well over 100 annually. Derrick Brooks and Warren Sapp have lobbied publicly for Rice, and their loud voices went national. Kaufman also went deep this week on what Rice means to Brooks and Sapp.
Fun stuff in that podcast, for sure.
As for that urgency to get Lynch voted in — he was a Hall finalist this year — it’s due, in part, to Ed Reed, Ronde Barber, Ray Lewis, Randy Moss and Brian Urlacher on the doorstep of eligibility.
May 13th, 2016 at 2:02 pm
I think Mark Alstott should get HOF consideration and that Chucky should induct him…..
May 13th, 2016 at 2:03 pm
Can’t listen can anyone say if Ira keeps his vote or not?
Thanks
May 13th, 2016 at 2:14 pm
Tony – I heard the Big Frog say the other day that Ira would land somewhere locally and would retain his eligibility as HOF presenter. He didn’t say where but I got the impression he was talking about somewhere other than the Times – it sounded like he was hinting at an online venue – so I assumed either Buccaneer.com or perhaps PR.
Or does Joe have some big news in this regard that he’s not sharing yet?
May 13th, 2016 at 2:19 pm
@Pickgrin
Maybe if he could block then there would have been an argument for it!!! Otherwise he is just a running back with average to good numbers!!!!!!
May 13th, 2016 at 2:20 pm
@Pickgrin That’s Mark Alstott
May 13th, 2016 at 2:32 pm
Pickgrin,
Alstott is a Bucs legend, but the numbers don’t support HOF for him. Just over 5000 yards rushing career won’t do it. Eddie George has over 10,000 rushing yards and hasn’t gotten in yet.
May 13th, 2016 at 2:37 pm
Everyone STOP calling him Mark.
Do you people even KNOW your own team?
Stop it.
May 13th, 2016 at 2:41 pm
@Pickgrin
I love Alstott, and I certainly believe he should be in the ring of honor (or is he already?). But in no way does has he earned the Hall of Fame.
Buc1987 Says
“Everyone STOP calling him Mark.
Do you people even KNOW your own team?”
A lifer that doesn’t know why he is called Mark???? wow, ’87. I’m disappointed in you.
May 13th, 2016 at 2:42 pm
Let’s hope Vitale earns a HoF spot over the next ten years.
May 13th, 2016 at 2:48 pm
Its a joke ’87 – because Gruden called him Mark Alstott the 1st time he ever referenced him and then proceeded over the next 5 years to rob him of legit HOF #s which he would have had if Gruden had utilized him properly.
I will say this – name me 1 other Fullback (besides Larry Csonka) that has anywhere near 6 Pro Bowls and 71 TDs on his resume…..
May 13th, 2016 at 2:49 pm
Ok history buffs – who was Mike sitting with at the press conference when Chucky called him Mark? Mike turned to him and said “at least I got mentioned” – paraphrasing.
And I hope you were joking ’87. Come On Man!
May 13th, 2016 at 2:56 pm
Pickgrin,
Riggins, Jim Brown, Franco Harris.. Again, I love A-Train, but the raw numbers just won’t get him in.
May 13th, 2016 at 2:57 pm
@Pickgrin
I don’t think there are any. But that still isn’t good enough. Like I said, I LOVED Mike Alstott. My kids looked up to him. They were glued to the tv watching him as young boys. He made them want to go out and play football.
But he isn’t a hall of famer. Not even close.
May 13th, 2016 at 2:57 pm
Because of Gruden?
LOL…that’s why?
Everyone’s supposed to know that?
LOL come to think of it I do remember him saying that, but I didn’t know why YOU guys were calling him that.
Plus I in lived in N.C. back then and Bucs coverage was minimal. I had no computer either. Yet I think I remember someone talking about on this site awhile back.
Good to be in on the joke now…
Bonzai…only since 87, no lifer. God I’d probably be more insane than I am now if I was a 76’er.
May 13th, 2016 at 2:58 pm
@Buc since ’74
I’m only guessing, but Ronde Barber?
May 13th, 2016 at 3:00 pm
Buc1987 Says
“Because of Gruden?
LOL…that’s why?
Everyone’s supposed to know that?”
Ah…you didn’t live in Tampa. That explains it. It made the local paper headlines, so it was a big deal in Tampa. That’s why we remember it.
May 13th, 2016 at 3:16 pm
Bonzai – good guess, but no.
87 – I’ve been a Tampa NFL fan since ’74 (hence the name), as that is the year we were awarded an NFL team – and my dad bought season tickets then. Lived here my whole life.
And yes – I’m completely insane! lol
May 13th, 2016 at 3:36 pm
@Buc Bonzai
The answer is yes, Rhonde Barber is a and will make it to the Hall Of Fame!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 13th, 2016 at 3:41 pm
Yea – I know that Alstott’s “#s” are not Hall worthy. Close but not quite. That’s why it pissed me off that Gruden under-utilized his talents so badly. Because if he had used Mike correctly, #40 would have had 9 or 10 Pro Bowls and 90+ TDs and there’s no way he could have been kept out with #s at that level.
May 13th, 2016 at 3:43 pm
There he is with that “h” again in Ronde’s name.
Is THIS a joke too?lol
May 13th, 2016 at 3:51 pm
Alright – gotta run and I know the suspense is killing no-one…
Dave Moore
May 13th, 2016 at 4:04 pm
Pickgrin – Gruden basically ruined Alstott’s career because he’d much rather watch Pittman run into the back of his offensive lineman on every play. Alstott would go out and run over 40 people in a game then the next week he’d get 4 carries. You have to be joking with your comment.
May 13th, 2016 at 4:18 pm
Now this isn’t a HOF player but I have no idea how his name isn’t brought up based on some of the slobs they’ve put into the HOF.
Warrick Dunn
10967 yards rushing (22nd all time)
15306 yards from scrimmage (17th all time)
15665 all-purpose yards (22nd all time)
He had one of the top 10 rushing plays of the year 6 times during his career. He even had the longest reception of the year once. He’s 15th all time in the history of the NFL in terms of touches, both rushing and receiving.
Compare that to the slob Jerome Bettis who had less yards from scrimmage than Dunn and averaged less per carry – not to mention the fatso’s inability to catch the ball. Dunn also had more career playoff yards (rushing+receiving) despite being in only 10 playoff games versus Bettis being in 14, again with a higher average per rush. Basically if Bettis is in the HOF it’s a disgrace that Dunn isn’t even mentioned since Dunn outperformed him on the field.
May 13th, 2016 at 4:20 pm
Wow, it’s not everyday you see 87 learn a new Bucs lore. I’m writing this one down.
In regard to A-Train HOF. It will never happen. He will be compared to other running backs rather than other fullbacks because of his style of play. He was a beast that we all love but he isn’t going to get in the Hall. As sad as this is for me to say and believe me it is painful, I honestly don’t think Lynch is getting in either. Even when I attempt to take off my bias hat, I still think there is no doubt J Lynch should be in the Hall. No doubt about it. That man changed entire games. Qb’s chose not to throw over the middle because of one man. Love you J Lynch.
May 13th, 2016 at 4:28 pm
cmurda….I think Lynch will get in. Could be 10 years from now, but I think he makes it. Ronde too of course, but no Mark Alstott.
He can just be our HOF’er.
May 13th, 2016 at 5:08 pm
I lost all respect for the hall of fame once Dungy got in ahead of Tom Flores and Jimmy Johnson. the hall has NO credibility. HOF is just like the pro bowl nothing more than a popularity contest. Dungy’s legend is far greater than his actual accomplishments.
Lynch is deserving but so is Steve Atwater and he is not in either. Atwater was a very similar player to Lynch.
Ronde will get in especially now that he is in the media. Seems like joining the media after retirement is a new requirement to enter hall.
May 13th, 2016 at 5:47 pm
That’s how much respect Rice gets. An article about his being left off the ballot and all anyone wants to talk about is Alstott, who will never get in no matter how much anyone wishes
May 13th, 2016 at 7:20 pm
Rice has way better #’s than Selmon….
May 13th, 2016 at 7:22 pm
Ira should take Tom Jones spot. He blows several chimps. Laugh out loud
May 13th, 2016 at 8:20 pm
I have watched Every Bucs game ever played and yes Rice has better numbers than Selmon but Selmon never got to play with Warren Sapp on the same line either. Not to mention DB, Lynch and Barber taking up the offenses time either.
May 13th, 2016 at 8:28 pm
Tampamac
Rigging and brown were not FBs. They were used as HBs.
But you’re right, alstott does not belong.
Lynch does. Rice and Barber are borderline BUT….. If they did the exact same thing in a major market, they’d be in …. Sooooooo, they should get in.
May 13th, 2016 at 8:42 pm
Ok – since I started the whole Alstott thing with what was meant as a joke – lets take a serious look at this Simeon Rice question.
IMO, Rice deserves consideration for the HOF. Dude was one of the (if not THE) most consistent and dominant DEs in the entire NFL for a full 10 years from’96>2005.
Only twice in that 10 year span did he fail to get at least 10 sacks in a season. (5 sacks in his 2nd season and 7.5 sacks in his 5th season when he only played 11 games). His other season sack totals in that span are 12.5, 10, 16.5, 11, 15.5, 15, 12, 14.
Rice only got 4 more sacks in his last 2 years combined – but his 1st 10 years in the league Simeon absolutely dominated. Rice ‘s career total is 122 sacks in 12 seasons. An average of more than 10 per season and just under 12 per season in the 10 year span I am focusing on. Sacks are really about the only stat that a DLine player can hang their hat on unless their tackle totals are unusually high or unusually low which Rice’s are not. I will give you another pertinent stat though. Forced Fumbles. Rice had 28 FFs in his career – and 19 of those were during his 6 years in Tampa Bay. We all remember his patented sack>strip>fumble capabilities and those impact plays turned the tide in many a game for the Bucs.
So why focus on the 10 years that he terrorized the league instead of all 12 years that he played? I’ll tell you why – Warren Sapp! Thats why.
Sapp was a 1st ballot hall of famer. He is rightfully considered one of and perhaps THE most dominant DT in the history of the game. But you know what? Sapp was only dominant for about a 6-7 year span. 5 actually if you key on the sack stat – but we all know that he played a big part in the Bucs success in 2001 and 2002 when he had only 6 and 7.5 sacks respectively – so we’ll extend it to a 7 year run of dominance for Sapp. After that? Crickets mostly. In his last 5 years playing in the league, Sapp had double digit sacks only once (10 in ’06 for the Raiders). The sack totals his other last 4 years in the NFL were 5, 2.5, 5 and 2. Now comparing DT sack totals to DE sack totals is not apples to apples as we all know – but again, sacks are the 1 stat that any DL player can legitimately hang their hat on. So yea – although we remember Warren as this terror on the field (and he was) – he was only that player for 6 1/2 years from mid-’96>2002. After that – he was not all that dominant.
So Sapp dominated his DT position for 6 1/2 years and was a 1st ballot HOFer. But Rice (who played right next to Sapp) dominated his DE position for 10 full years and he doesn’t even deserve consideration?
May 13th, 2016 at 10:16 pm
All of you Alstott bashers just made the naughty list. I hope your happy!
May 13th, 2016 at 10:35 pm
Pickgrin, you forgot to mention Rice is also a Super Bowl champion and had a big game in that win. 2 sacks and I believe a 3rd sack on a 2 point conversion that doesn’t count toward official stats.
May 13th, 2016 at 10:47 pm
I never understood the Buc- love for Simeon Rice. I get it he helped us win the SB. He was a great DE. I’m thankful we had him. Might not have ever won a SB without him.
It’s just that he DID play 5 seasons for the Cards BEFORE he was a Buc. Yet so many fans consider him a tru-Buc. Even want his # retired which I think is ludicrous. It’s not like he was drafted and developed as a Buc which is pretty much my criteria for that ring of honor. I think if they were to ever retire his number
It’s just my opinion, so have at it if you like. Attack away on this slow Friday night.
Another thought. Watching NFL Networks Top 10 controversial calls last night. They showed the tuck rule game. Had a thought after watching it. If that ball was ruled a fumble I’m pretty sure Gruden never comes to Tampa.
May 13th, 2016 at 10:50 pm
I think if they were to ever retire his number….Cards fans might have something to say about that. I think…not sure of it. ***
Sorry bout that. Hydrocodone’s are strong as mofo tonight.
May 13th, 2016 at 11:47 pm
I have never understood the lack of respect For Rice. If you go back and watch the games from the Super Bowl year, Rice was a terror! I believe he helped make Saps legacy. He was a badass and should be in the HOF conversation.
May 14th, 2016 at 1:16 am
Go Bolts!!!
May 14th, 2016 at 1:44 am
If not for the fans having a say in the MVP vote when the Bucs crushed the Raiders in the Super Bowl, Simeon Rice would have won MVP. He was a wrecking ball in that game and definitely deserves consideration for the HOF.
May 14th, 2016 at 1:49 am
No worse than “Rhonde.”
May 14th, 2016 at 10:48 am
I forgot about Gruden calling Alstott Mark also. I was going to post what the heck early. Thanks 87 for clearing that up and taking the heat instead of me. Gruden was OK, he made the offensive additions to get the SB. I would have preferred a different opponent to have beaten though.
May 14th, 2016 at 12:57 pm
Buc1987
No love for Rice just because he wasn’t drafted here???
So by that logic should they never sign free agents?
Doesn’t make sense time. Half of Rice’s career was here and it is borderline HOF.
I would guess he would in to the hall as a Buc.
Anyway, the guy was great and him and Sapp made each other better.
May 14th, 2016 at 4:02 pm
Sure Dave just skip right over this :” I get it he helped us win the SB. He was a great DE. I’m thankful we had him. Might not have ever won a SB without him.”
So far no player’s name that was not drafted by the Bucs sits up on that wall.
Can’t imagine Simeon’s name gets up there. Ever.
May 15th, 2016 at 1:27 am
I understand you said all that, but your logic is still saying if a player is not drafted by that team, in this case the Bucs, they should not go in there ring of honor. That makes no sense to me. The 49ers should not honor young? The Packers and Reggie White? The list is very long.
I get that it is better if the player is drafted by the team, but it should not preclude them.
May 15th, 2016 at 7:50 am
“No worse than rhonde” LMAO
As far as the Alstott debate goes most of you are comparing elite RBS to fullback/halfback. That’s not fair. Your comparing apples to oranges. And If punters are in the HOF, so should FB’s. And Alstott’s the GREATEST FB of all time. There’s no comparison. Maybe Larry czonka but that’s it. And not even his numbers compare to the A-Trains. The guy was so versatile he could play HB when needed and rush for over a 100 yards on any given sunday. Not to mention he was probably the best goal line back in history. I guess FB’s don’t get any love but put punters and kickers do when it comes to the HOF. What a joke. They should not catagorize Alstott as a HB but as a FB when considering him for the hall. Maybe that’s why he hasn’t got any consideration.
And Simeon Rice not even getting a consideration and being one of the best edge rushers of his time is a load of crap. That’s all I got to say. He at least deserves some recognition for god sakes.
May 15th, 2016 at 7:56 am
My bet is that #97 does end up in the ring of honor. He was a big part of the Tampa Terror back k in the day and a key to our SB run. The Glazes would not go out on a limb for him and ask the NFL why he’s not getting any HOF recognition if they weren’t contiplating on putting him in the ROH. That should give it away right there.
May 15th, 2016 at 8:26 am
Dave…..yes that’s exactly what I’m saying. Reggie White’s number was retired by both teams and that makes sense.
Here’s a list of of retired #’s from teams around the league. Look at it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Football_League_retired_numbers
Notice the pattern as you look down the list…90% of the players, played the majority of their careers with the original team that drafted them.
Steve Young? Is that a joke? He played a whole 2 seasons with the Bucs but what 12-13 seasons with the 49er’s. I suppose Brett Favre qualifies as a Falcon too using that logic.
They don’t HAVE to be drafted by the team, but they should at least play the majority of their careers with that team. Rice was a 5 year vet with good numbers before he came to Tampa.
Should they retire Sapp’s number in Oakland?
Every Buc from that SB team will always hold a special place in my heart.
Do I think Rice belongs in the HOF? Hell yes.