Koetter’s Relationship With Jameis
May 18th, 2016
New responsibilities.
In his post-high-school-football years, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, has had solid relationships with his coaches, whether it was head coach and offensive coordinator at Florida State, Jimbo Fisher, or Lovie Smith, or his offensive coordinator and new head coach with the Bucs, Dirk Koetter.
Now that Koetter is no longer his offensive coordinator (by name). Will things change much?
In a Q&A with Jason Cole of Bleacher Report, Koetter discussed how, if at all, his being head coach may or may not adjust his working relationship with Jameis.
“The one thing I would say is that first, let me say, that Lovie did an awesome job with Jameis. They met — I don’t know how often exactly they met — but at least once a week in this office,” Koetter said.
“I see Jameis and he would come up and meet with Lovie. That said, because Lovie was a defensive coach and he was calling the defense, I feel like I was the heavy for Jameis last year.
“Again, I don’t know what went on when Jameis and Lovie had their individual talks. Maybe Lovie got on him. I doubt it because that wasn’t really Lovie’s style. Now, go back to Florida State. Jimbo was the play-caller, and he was ripping Jameis all the time. I’m not a big rip-your-quarterback type of guy. I don’t really believe in it. I’m not saying it’s wrong. You have to coach what you believe in. … [I]t’s what you are. I tell Jameis all the time that I love watching those college scenes when him and Jimbo are arguing on the sideline, and I’m reading Jimbo’s lips when he says, ‘Let me call the game!’ I laugh every time I see that clip. But I don’t think Jameis and my relationship is going to change that much.
“I have a lot more on my plate, and he’s got more on his plate. He’s not a rookie anymore. The expectations for him are greater. Our quarterbacks coach, Mike Bajakian, is doing a great job. I was just sitting in on a meeting with them. I still sit in, I speak up when I have to. I see Jameis in the hall. I talk to him the same way I always do. We just both have more responsibility.”
This is very interesting to Joe. Did Lovie have Jameis bolted to training wheels? Is Koetter shoveling more on Jameis’ plate because he believes the second-year quarterback has shown he can handle it? Is Jameis now calling line protections?
After reading this, the first thing that popped into Joe’s head was the Pro Bowl. Yes, yes, yes. It’s a glorified backyard, throw-the-ball around type of a game. Joe understands this fully (and doesn’t get why folks actually expect dudes to play full-throttle in an exhibition where they can maim themselves or someone else).
Joe remembers sitting in a San Francisco sports bar watching the Pro Bowl (one of only two TVs in the giant place that wasn’t airing a non-basketball-association game of a local NoCal team — it was annoying!) and watching Jameis gun-sling the ball all over the place.
He sure looked like a totally different quarterback that day. Is that the change Koetter hints at while saying Jameis has more responsibility?
Again, this is all very interesting to Joe.
May 18th, 2016 at 7:10 am
I heard that in those meetings that lovie would just go on and on about how great his scheme was!!!
May 18th, 2016 at 7:19 am
Speaking for Pablo
“Pablo doesn’t have a relationship with Hamus even though Pablo and Hamus have things in common…..Both Pablo & Hamus have elongated arcs and Pablo table dances while Hamus got up on a table in college once. Pablo loves Hamus and all his JBF amigos.”
May 18th, 2016 at 7:47 am
Realist
I think it was Lovie trying to sell jameis that points don’t matter that field goals and kneel downs with time left on the clock were the way of the future.
May 18th, 2016 at 8:07 am
I’m here, the coach just stated that he didn’t know what the hell went on in those meetings between Jamis & LOVIE , but I guess there were some flies on the wall, here they come spreading cow fodder!!
May 18th, 2016 at 8:24 am
At the Pro Bowl, I think Jameis was the second most impressive QB after Wilson. Carr was hit and miss, Teddy and Tyrod were throwing INT after INT (if it’s such an easy exhibition game, why couldn’t they get the ball to their receivers and not into the hands of the defense?) and Jameis came in and killed it. I don’t remember much of Eli’s performance, but who cares about Eli? Maybe his success was because it was late in the game when he entered, but he really impressed me.
May 18th, 2016 at 9:07 am
It was reported that jameis was calling line protections last year.
May 18th, 2016 at 9:48 am
Wash, rinse, repeat… This is like a week old.
May 18th, 2016 at 10:10 am
You guys trip me out sometimes! Is it really “news” that a head coach “may” have put training wheels on a ROOKIE QB?! Um, no.
Some act like Jameis is a HOF’er already. News flash: He’s got some growing to do! I’m pretty sure there are aspects of his craft that Koetter wants him to work on. Take the blinders off, we won 6 games last year!
May 18th, 2016 at 10:45 am
Joe Jameis did look different at the PB didn’t he. He looked sharp.
Big things for Tampa Bay on the horizon Buc fans.
Big things.
May 18th, 2016 at 10:46 am
tmaxcon Says:
May 18th, 2016 at 7:47 am
“Realist
I think it was Lovie trying to sell jameis that points don’t matter that field goals and kneel downs with time left on the clock were the way of the future.”
Thanks for making me nauseous.
May 18th, 2016 at 10:49 am
The morons who keep ripping Lovie on a personal level are idiots. He might not be a very good coach but by nature of his faith he is a good and easy going of high character man , something the very excitable Jameis needed to help him mature. He needed someone like Lovie to give him the Yin to the Yang of his personality. Why can’t you let the crap go? You keep living in the past when Koetter is the future. Let a certain past be brought up up and most of you get offended. Let the past be the past
May 18th, 2016 at 10:59 am
But that is just it Davidbigbucsfan, he didn’t leave with his head held high did he??? In fact it seemed like he left with no class and gave everyone the silent treatment!!!! Didn’t even hold a press conference or even released a statement thanking anyone for an opportunity!!!! And if you were not a star player you did not get the “high level character man” some claimed he was!!! He was exposed!!! and until the new season starts hiking the football on the field, we will keep discussing what happened last year!!!!!!!!
May 18th, 2016 at 11:29 am
87
any time. I am glad I could help you skip lunch today…
DavidbigBucsFan
Lovie is not a man of character. His league wide perception is some BS media creation…
Men of Character take responsibility for their failures – Lovie Does not…
Men of Character don’t hire unqualified Friends and Family members to high level coaching positions. – Lovie does
Men of Character don’t throw assistant coaches and coordinators under the bus or set them up to fail each year. Lovie does
Men of Character care about all players and coaches not just the favorites or the yes men.
You might want to look up the definition of good character before labeling a control freak buffoon like lovie a man of high character… While you are at it why don’t you check in with the family members of any of the 17 offensive and defensive coordinators that lovie tossed under the bus to save his own arse over the years. He had not troubles disrupting their lives to save his own pathetic arse…
going to church on sunday hardly makes a man a good character guy. faith alone is not good character. Every day actions are how character is judged.
May 18th, 2016 at 11:38 am
A high character man takes full responsibility for his actions. I am confident that Lovie is a good, moral person, but not one time did I hear Lovie take responsibility for anything.
The blowout loss to the Titans, the blowout loss to the Ravens, the TNF blowout loss to the rams, the complete meltdown to the Redskins… Did anyone at all hear Lovie say “my defense failed – this is my fault and I take full responsibility?”
How about you Joe – did you ever hear that – or something along those lines?
I’ve already heard Jameis take responsibility – when it was clearly not his fault. That is what a man does.
May 18th, 2016 at 11:56 am
The funny thing is that some of the posters here go in endless circles about how bad Lovie was. Day after day talking about Lovie. All the while they are pretty far off on what it was that he failed at here.
I heard a poster yesterday refrence something off subject and used the term “lazy argument”
I bring that up because blaming Lovie for everything bad about this team is a lazy argument. It’s 100% Obvisous that Lovie is the scapegoat for fans to blame everything on. It’s easy to just have one finger to point and one guy to blame. As with most things the easy way doesn’t make it the right way.
May 18th, 2016 at 12:06 pm
We as Bucs fans are still waiting for the wins our former head coach said ” his Defense” would make happen.
May 18th, 2016 at 12:34 pm
@buccaneers…I totally agree…people are just looking for a scapegoat…they don’t want to consider injuries, lack of talent(defense), suspension and just overall a young team…people forget that the offense went down the drain the last 4games of the season right along with our defense…im a bucs fan so I will always pull for my team no matter what the record is and will support the hc regardless if he’s black or white….lovie came did what he could do and is gone…nothing more nothing less…but as @Michael Johnson states…who will everyone blame if the defense sucks this year?….who will get the blame if the team as a whole regresses?….people will still have the nerve to blame lovie…it is what it is….I hope we have a successful season and make the playoffs…GO BUCS!!!
May 18th, 2016 at 1:03 pm
813-I pray every night that Mike Johnsons scenario doesn’t happen. But I don’t need it to happen to tell you who the next scapegoat would be, easily it would be Licht……God forbid he can’t build a team through free agency. He’s been here the longest, he is the easy next scapegoat.
And if that were to happen and Licht became the next fall boy it would be DEVASTATING!!! You think the last decade has been bad? We could wind up talking quarter century. That’s because the Glazers don’t know anything about football. They don’t tell the FO what to do they let Licht do that. Now if they had to replace Licht we’d be in trouble. How many bad hires did they have to make to even get to Licht? And they didn’t even find him they promoted him. This franchise and its fans can’t handle another decade+ search for quality football people. I sure hope our current staff knows how to get us winning.
May 18th, 2016 at 1:19 pm
I love posters like bucsfanman. Obviously he must have been a mariota lover and he hates to see jameis getting praise. Hold on to your seat, its plenty more praise coming this young man’s way. You can try and hold it off if you want or you can open your eyes and see the talent that he is. Or you can closetly wish for his downfall as you are doing now. Its up to you.
May 18th, 2016 at 1:34 pm
@bucanneer…your right…ive mentioned that several times that if this season is crap then licht will be gone and become the new goat…funny thing is those same people that bash lovie and praised licht for canning him will all bash/blame licht for his incompetent decision making….regardless of how this season goes im a diehard fan and will be at every game as usual…I hope it results in a playoff berth but regardless we have to stick with licht and dirk for at least the next 4 or 5 years…the constant turn over at hc and gm position is 1 of the main reasons why the organization cant get right….I thought lovie deserved at least another year just as gus Bradley…the best way to build a franchise up is with a franchise qb and consistency in philosophies(hc,gm,fo)….it seems like the jags have figured that out, I just hope we can follow….GO BUCS!!!
May 18th, 2016 at 1:43 pm
Yeah Lovie is gone and it’s hard to wipe away the recent memory. You can say he didn’t get enough time and other hardships caused the results. But you can’t tell me you liked the effort put forth or prefer he stayed as head coach up against the new Bucs coaches despite not having coached a game yet. To me, the difference is like night and day. The hiring of Lovie was just wrong and many sensed it at the onset. Me included.
May 18th, 2016 at 2:03 pm
@Tiny Tim- Normally I would just scoff at the notion that you think I’m not a Jameis fan but I can’t possibly let this go. I’m on record as saying that I wanted Mariotta prior to the draft. So I’ll take that. Unlike some people that post here however, I don’t dwell on the past. Once the pick was made Jameis WAS/IS my guy, I’m a Buc fan after all. My point, as I thought was crystal clear, was that Jameis is not a finished product and far from perfect. He, like everyone else wearing the pewter, needs to work on his craft to be the best he/they can be.
Unlike you, apparently, I don’t think he has earned enough to be in the same conversation as a Tom Brady (who isn’t perfect either) or Aaron Rodgers. He’s played ONE season, and he played well. There are many aspects of his game that he can still improve upon though. That, Tiny Tim is my point.
Mariotta is not a Buc and I do not root/follow/ or love him.
Because of your apparent bromance, you feel as though Winston is beyond reproach! I disagree. If we can criticize GMC the way we do here, we sure as heck can criticize Winston. Perhaps you should scroll through this article and previous articles about Koetter’s expectations of Winston. Koetter even mentions the need to hone his craft.
I’m a Buc fan dude! There is no other team. Let sleeping dogs lie!
May 18th, 2016 at 2:18 pm
Agreed with both…..it’s refreshing to hear some different opinions about the matter. The whole “my scheme” angle has become very generic.
When Smith got fired it did seem early because he took control of the team and the rebuild was starting to show signs of success…….many fans will say it wasn’t successful at all in one breathe then say we are headed to the playoffs next year in the next. That doesn’t add up in my book. Of course there are no excuses and Lovies field management did him in.
I can’t say for certain but it sure seems like they were in jeopardy of losing Koetter and had to make a tough decision. They Glazers and/or Licht chose to move forward with Koetter over Lovie and I can’t fault that choice.
May 18th, 2016 at 2:27 pm
@Bucsfanman-I liked your original post. You were dead on. Heck his HC even said he has areas of his game to work on. Jamies himself even acknowledged it and that’s why he is doing private workouts with his teammates in his own time. Unsure why some fans are unwilling to hear it.
Good news is this kid seems dedicated and I’m certain he will look even better this year!!!! GOO BUCS
May 18th, 2016 at 2:30 pm
Lol at bucsfaman
You were a mariota fan before the draft? Shocker!!! Its only mariota fans who wants to point out that jameis has things to work on as if those who are excited about his possibilities do not know that. I have not seen one jameis backer me included put him in the same catagory as brady or rogers yet mariota backers such as yourself feel the need to remind us of that fact. I have not seen one jameis backer including myself proclaim that jameis has nothing to work on yet mariota lovers seem to feel its their duty to inform the rest of us of that fact eventhough no one posted jameis is perfect. You see we are excited mariota lover because he is way better and more mature then you ever imagined he would be. We are excited because after one year he is on the cusp of being a bonafide top 10 qb. If you cant see that then i would tell you that you need to get your eyes checked. You want sleeping dogs to lie? Then stop thinking its your duty to tell winston fans he is not a finished product. We know that already. We are excited because he is already as good as he is now. Just wait until he does get it mariota lover. You can wish bad on him if you like or you can jump on board now. Its up to you.
May 18th, 2016 at 2:31 pm
@Buccaneers- That’s well said. There’s a lot of finger pointing in one direction and a whole lot of blame to go around. The same sense of optimism and renewal from 2 years ago is back. We can only hope that the new regime marches us out of the doldrums. But, haven’t we been through this every year for the last decade; The optimism, then grief, then anger, then new HC, then all over again?
Lets get it right boys! I’m tired of losing!
May 18th, 2016 at 2:36 pm
@Tiny Tim- You’re a tool dude! Bye now!
May 18th, 2016 at 2:41 pm
@Buccaneers- Apparently you can’t criticize Winston without being a fan of another QB.
There is no reason not to believe that the kid will grow. The kid’s got moxie and it will serve him well I believe.
May 18th, 2016 at 2:46 pm
@ bucsfan
No sir. You would be the tool for thinking its your job to point out winston has things to work on and he is not brady when there was no one arguing that fact. Only tools are the ones trying to hold this man back when its obvious. Even mike smith picks this young man’s brain yet you want to state the obvious instead of embracing what you have because of your alligence before the draft. No sir. You are the tool.
May 18th, 2016 at 2:55 pm
Ya know what Bucsfanman…….You were not the only one who wanted Mariota over Winston, including many paid pro analysts. Guaranteed there are people here who wanted Mariota but they’ll never admit it. Appreciate and respect the honesty and courage. I got your next beverage at Ray Jay!!
Regarding the finger pointing…..in no way am I making an excuse for Coach Smith in the slightest. That doesn’t matter though, some fans will bash me for saying it and classify me as a “Lovie apologist” which simply isn’t true.
It’s all god they don’t bother me and in a twisted way in entertains me to hear some of the ridiculous filth that comes out of the haters mouths.
May 18th, 2016 at 2:56 pm
Try reading my post without the bias Tiny Tim. I’m not bagging on Winston. I don’t know if you’ve had too much caffeine or what, but you should probably try to sip some wine to relax and then nestle down next to your life-size fathead of Jameis. Wooooooo-Saaaaaaaaa!
🙂
May 18th, 2016 at 2:59 pm
@Tmaxcon&TheBucRealist: let me give you this information, and maybe you can make use of it at another time in life, now this is Black stuff so don’t get offended:LOVIE knows he failed, as fans we have a right to boo him on the field, you don’t get to harass him at Walmart, LOVIE failed, the only apology he should make is to his aforementioned FRIENDS&FAMILY STAFF, he is not a subservient to the Glazer’s or the fans or even the players who played for him, first and foremost this is a cut-throat business. Thank you for doing it the way you did it LOVIE STYLE, had you apologized, it just would have given The RealBigot another mouth full of bull to spit!
May 18th, 2016 at 3:01 pm
Holy jeez Tiny Tim the man said he was a die hard Bucs fan. It doesn’t take a genius to realize he only wants the best for Winston. Give it a rest…….No, wait, actually keep it coming you are wildly entertaining to me. I literal LoL’d several times reading your remarks.
May 18th, 2016 at 3:03 pm
@Buc- I’ll take you up on that $8 beer at Ray-Jay! I don’t judge! 🙂
May 18th, 2016 at 3:12 pm
Yes us fans have been through the optimism on a new HC and been let down several times now over the last decade.
One big difference that I see is that this time our HC is not being brought in to fix a team in shambles……like Raheem or Greg or Lovie was. This time we have key core pieces in place and rebuilding is not required. This time the only thing that needs to be built is a winning attitude.
I know that fact adds up to a hill of beans but ya gotta love our chances more so then with the previous regimes.
May 18th, 2016 at 3:19 pm
@ buccaneers
As i posted, its only those who were mariota supporter prior to the draft are the ones who feel its their duty to point out jameis has things to work on as if we dont know that. Thats what the guy on the radio does. Whenever there is a thread or posters celebrating the fact that jameis is special, we have to read the rhetoric from a past mariota supporter. Im just calling it like i see it.
May 18th, 2016 at 3:31 pm
@ buccaneers
How many articles have we had about kwon and how special he seems to be? I do not see one poster state he has to work on xyz. We accept that fact and we rejoice as a fan base that he is on our team. Don’t you think it should be that way for
# 3? Or do we have to temper our excitement only for jameis but not for kwon?
May 18th, 2016 at 3:36 pm
The wine didn’t work?! Try whiskey!
Ok, you’re right. I’m out of line! I’ll let it go now.
Go Bucs!
May 18th, 2016 at 3:49 pm
It just seems weird to me Tiny Tim. I don’t think any fans opinion about Winston should be silenced or void or discredited just because he liked Mariota. I could understand if they came off as hating Winston or if they seemed to not really be a Bucs fan and had a separate agenda. Maybe I didn’t read the comment properly but the guy seemed like a true fan that didn’t say anything that wasn’t true.
Hey at the the man came clean rather then deny favoring Mariota. At least we can know that what he says is genuine.
May 18th, 2016 at 4:00 pm
@Buccaneers and Tiny Tim- Dyed in the wool Bucs fan here guys! At least one of you actually read my comments. Thanks!
Just to appease Tiny’s incredulity, In retrospect, I wouldn’t trade the move for Jameis in a million years. It was never about his skills. I worried that his “issues” would follow him. I’m proud to say I was wrong! Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!
It looks like I’m the one who should buy you a beer Buccaneers!
May 18th, 2016 at 4:13 pm
@ buccaneers
Go back and read his first post. Look at all the caps and exlamation points in his post. It is obvious he hates the love winston gets. The guy on the radio is a “die hard” buc fan as well but he does the same thing. BTW…his allegence was mariota as well. There is an under lining theme when people like that speak on winston and i merely pointed it out. He is not the first to post winston has to work on somethings but their narrative is different. He came across like the guy on the radio. You are not new to email etiquette and what caps and exclamation points mean. If im wrong, so be it. But i can tell the difference between the guy on the radio’s critique and lets say the guy who comes on before him (jp). Bucfansman and the guy on the radio seem to be cut from the same cloth. If im wrong then i apologize.
May 18th, 2016 at 4:51 pm
Guess it goes to show ya be careful what you say because it will be interpreted in separate ways. At least here we don’t have to worry since its only sports and not life or death.
And the guy on the radio has his share of critics but he does know a lot of insiders and surely watches more sports then you or I. You may disagree with his opinions but he does have a lot of interesting facts to share. Pretty good source for Tampa fans to learn some things.
May 18th, 2016 at 8:43 pm
I actually wanted mariota prior to the draft…. That being sad, I have no problem admitting I was wrong. Winston is the real deal and I’m beyond thankful he is our QB. Man am I glad I didn’t make that bet with 87! Why are we as bucs fans always ripping on our fellow fans and everything in general. I swear Tampa has some of the most douchy fans around. Be happy with the direction of this team. I truly feel we are turning the corner and will be a very good team year in and year out. Stop ripping on past coaches and be thankful. Good days are ahead. Go bucs!!!!
May 18th, 2016 at 8:58 pm
@ tampafan
You are right. He does have sources but it does not mean he watches more sports than i do. He constantly says he does not watch the nba. Guess what…I do. If he has so many sources ala derrick brooks, you would think he would sound more educated or at least a little more fair when it comes to jameis but he doesn’t. You know why? Because he was/is a mariota lover. Again, sorry if i misread bucsfanman intentions but it just smelled awfully familiar.
May 18th, 2016 at 10:00 pm
Tiny Tim…calm down.
Bucsfanman Says:
May 10th, 2016 at 11:43 am
“You got to have buy-in right? You’d be crazy not to want to play with this guy!”
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2016/05/im-not-ready-to-make-jameis-the-assistant-gm/
May 18th, 2016 at 11:17 pm
@ 87
Im glad you can go back and look up comments a poster made on a previous thread. I wish that skill would have come into play for you as it related to me. Oh well. You found one for him, yet you could not find the 100s of mine as compared to that one thread were this site allowed someone to take my name (weeks to be exact) and spew thoughts not once typed by me. I have said for my last three threads im sorry if i got bucsfanman miss understood. Ive been calmed down.
May 19th, 2016 at 1:52 am
Man, that Ruc Realist really gets his jollys off everytime he can get in a negative comment about Lovie Smith. Its like he almost urinates on himself. Poor guy. Pavlov’s dog!
May 19th, 2016 at 11:39 am
Some people attach ‘faith’ and ‘high level character’ to quickly and too oftem, methinks. Lovie lied in his pressers over and over. Blamed all his woes on the players. Man oh man.
May 19th, 2016 at 1:38 pm
too quickly and too often
Sorry for the typos