“He Didn’t Do That With Matt Ryan”
May 20th, 2016
Another bold call
Opinionated Florida State icon Jamie Dukes played for the Falcons, works for the Falcons and covers the Falcons.
He always has plenty to say about Dirk Koetter and America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston.
Analyzing the Bucs on NFL Network recently, Dukes was all pumped up with admiration of Koetter being a playcaller who won’t hold back.
Dukes explained Jameis likely was pushed to his football limits last season because Koetter is fearless and isn’t a typical coordinator gun-shy with a young QB. “He didn’t do that with Matt Ryan.” However Dukes insisted there’s plenty more in Koetter’s playbook and you’ll see significantly more from Jameis and the Bucs this season.
Add Dukes to the list of experts placing winning expectations on Tampa Bay. He called “eight to 10 wins” for the Bucs in 2016.
May 20th, 2016 at 11:18 am
8-10 wins…over and over again I keep reading 8-10 wins. OK..I’ll take ten thank you!
May 20th, 2016 at 11:33 am
@StPeteBucsFan
We would all take that and Celebrate!!!! My only fear is that everyone is setting the baseline of the team as a 6 win team!!! With the historically soft schedule and this current schedule due to be more of a challenge. I might be slightly lower but still have the team improving greatly, even though the “wins” might not reflect the great improvement!!!!!!!
May 20th, 2016 at 11:43 am
If we don’t get 10 wins then the improvement will not be great, I would have expected at least 9 wins this year under LOVIE, with this new all-everything staff if we don’t get 10 wins then where is all the great improvement!
May 20th, 2016 at 11:47 am
That how far you are off bighogheinous!!!! If the Incompetent one was still in charge, It would have been 4 wins, record setting penalties and a bunch of Excuses!!! !!!!! sound familiar!!!!!!!
May 20th, 2016 at 11:51 am
This is the “talking head” “fill airtime” season
Show it to me on the field Bucs. Until then I’m cautiously optimistic
May 20th, 2016 at 12:06 pm
And don’t give all that strength of schedule crap, that same old if we don’t get blowed-out stupidity, this is the first year under Head-Coach K, all I can hear now is how getting rid of LOVIE is worth three incompetent wins and the new staff of all world teachers should be at worth at least 1 win, so if we don’t get 10 wins there is no improvement!
May 20th, 2016 at 12:07 pm
Not so sure that I totally agree with Jamie Dukes assessment. I think Dirk Koetter did hold back … at times … last year. And personally I think that’s a good thing because it would’ve been easy to overload even Jameis as a rookie QB. I do think though that this year’s Bucs offense will be more aggressive in many ways, especially in terms of airing-it-out (deep bombs).
May 20th, 2016 at 12:24 pm
We should make the playoffs unless the Curse of Chucky is still on going.. Is it kick off time yet?.. Go Bucs..
May 20th, 2016 at 12:25 pm
@bighoghayes…I agree…the schedule is a non issue….licht didn’t make all these moves for a 1 or 2 game improvement….dirk should be able to improve by 4games at the very least…lovie improved 4 games with very little talent on defense and 4 rookies starting on the offense….10wins and playoffs or someone is on the hot seat(licht)….GO BUCS!!!!
May 20th, 2016 at 12:25 pm
This statement, especially with our record over the last decade, embodies Buccaneer off-seasons.
“Show it to me on the field Bucs. Until then I’m cautiously optimistic”
Well said Tampa Tony……cautiously optimistic!
I think it will be easy to see improvement even if it does not translate into wins. We’ve got a franchise QB and decent talent on offense. It’s the defense that will be under a microscope.
Expecting “X-X” amount of wins is silly. We want them to win. I expect to see improvement. To me, that’s the tell.
May 20th, 2016 at 12:32 pm
wins are the only way to show a teams improvement…suggesting otherwise is foolish….if that’s the case lovie would still be here….that’s just like saying a team is getting better week to week during a 10 game losing streak….there are no moral victories…GO BUCS!!!!
May 20th, 2016 at 12:37 pm
I think 8 wins… the more important message in the above story is the fact we don’t know what Koetter’s offense really looks like because his boss last year was so conservative and deathly afraid of scoring. Anyone who thinks Koetter did not follow lovie’s conservative instructions are crazy. The one thing that is certain both Schiano and Lovie were control freaks one pissed people off for being gruff the other hid behind this fake nice guy crap… It will be interesting to see what Koetter really wanted to do with this offense. The biggest issue is lack of talent at WR… I am hopeing that Bell and Humphries develop but an experienced WR is needed. I stand by my statement if Murphy and Dye make the bucs roster the bucs are in a world of hurt.
May 20th, 2016 at 12:41 pm
I can see the Bucs at 6-7 wins and improving from Loser Lovie being here. If you aren’t getting blown out and are playing tougher teams it’s understandable
Last year was a historically easy schedule littered with second string qbs and they only won 6 when they should’ve win 8-9 games with a competent coach
So while I hate the schedule excuse and think it’s oberblown the schedule is tougher so I can buy in if they win 6-7 and are better than 2015
May 20th, 2016 at 12:41 pm
Yeah BigHog…in your world.
4 more wins than incompetent Lovie will do it for you….
May 20th, 2016 at 12:57 pm
“wins are the only way to show a teams improvement…suggesting otherwise is foolish….if that’s the case lovie would still be here…”
Um wrong 100%. The opposite actually. Lovies only argument for staying was improving the win total from the prior year lol. That’s the argument ESPN idiots made and other casual dumb fans that don’t watch the games.
Lovie was fired for the product he put on the field. For his defense REGRESSING over the 2 years he was here. For getting shredded by joke QBs. For having horrible game management approaches. For having insane amount of penalties. For getting blown out and blowing huge leads.
If you wanna dumb the complex as hell game of football to just final W/L without ANY other factor then go an head but that’s analyzing from the perspective of a very young child
May 20th, 2016 at 1:06 pm
I think we need to be a little flexible about the number of wins to determine success. They do have a tough schedule, especially the early part. We’ll know whether they are improving by keeping close against tough opponents and winning a few of those, beating the teams they should beat, and finishing strong. Also, continuing to see development from Jameis and other young players… At the end of the year, if those goals are met, that’ll be progress. I do think they should be in wild-card contention, but we’ll see.
May 20th, 2016 at 1:09 pm
@lord….so it sounds like you would be cool with the bucs going 2-14 but committing a record low 10 penalties and never getting blown out but losing every game by 1 point….right that’s real improvement….GO BUCS!!!!
May 20th, 2016 at 1:11 pm
@lord….you play to win the game….moral victories don’t count towards anything…GO BUCS!!!
May 20th, 2016 at 1:16 pm
the schedule excuse is ridiculous…last year we faced 3 playoff teams….this year we will face 5….that’s not a huge difference….people are acting like we play 8 or 9 playoff teams….GO BUCS!!!!
May 20th, 2016 at 1:22 pm
@813- I agree that we play the game to win. That’s not debatable. The point that I think Lord is trying to make along with myself is that, to a fan, the eye-ball test if you will, the Bucs looked horrible. There were games that were simply unwatchable, like they weren’t even competing and defense was a big culprit. I think had we competed and been in more close games Lovie probably would still be here.
Bottom line: the product was awful!
So we’re not talking about moral victories here, just a better product. Having a better product should equate to those wins you’re talking about.
See, people say 8-10 games, not me. I’m a 16-0 guy EVERY year! Ask my co-workers! I’m pee tested every off-season!
16-0!!! Go Bucs!!!
May 20th, 2016 at 1:45 pm
The Bucs should have NEVER FIRED LOVIE SMITH! … Said 2 people everyday all day.
May 20th, 2016 at 1:48 pm
Wasn’t Tennessee’s head coach Mike Mularky Matt Ryan’s OC his first 2-3 yrs in the league?
May 20th, 2016 at 2:16 pm
I too don’t want to hear dumb excuses. You got the coaches. Better players and now defensive ends. To bad about the schedule. Good teams win no matter what. Do I expect them to go 16-0 No. But all this other BS? Who gets judged by W/L? Yes. Coaches, Players and the almighty QB. So to expect 10 wins is not out of the question.
May 20th, 2016 at 2:29 pm
I think Mike Smith will have more to do with win improvements than Dirk.
May 20th, 2016 at 2:50 pm
The Buc Realist Says
“With the historically soft schedule and this current schedule…”
According to all the experts, the Bucs have one of the top 5 toughest schedules. Where the heck do you get “soft”?????
It’ll be a grinder out of the gates!
May 20th, 2016 at 2:56 pm
Given that the defense isn’t finished and the rookies have to develop, I would accept 8-8 this year. It would be frustrating, but I would accept it.
That said, we lost games at the end because Kwon was suspended. He was the key. When the defense is so bad that losing one good player kills it, it obviously needs work. More players.
We got more in the draft…and I “hope” for once Jason Licht’s free agents do well to buy us a year. If so, we should win 9 or more games.
So although I would grudgingly accept 8-8, I want 9-7 or better. At least that would give us a winning season for once.
May 20th, 2016 at 2:56 pm
@BucBonzai
Sorry, cranking out the sentence to fast.
“With the historically soft schedule compared to this current schedule is due to be more of a challenge.”
But I still think that most are taking the baseline at 6 wins from last year is a mistake.
May 20th, 2016 at 2:58 pm
They do have one of the toughest schedules. I think I posted this already but they are playing 7 of the top 10 toughest defenses in the league. 4 of those back to back starting at week 2. I agree with Joe from earlier 2-3 to start off doesn’t mean we aren’t any better we just got the short end of the stick. On the other hand if we are .500 or better no one can say we didn’t earn it.
May 20th, 2016 at 2:59 pm
@buccaneer…i’ll start by saying im a 16-0 fan myself…my wife thinks im nuts…regarding the eye test, its all in the eyes of the beholder….also things may look as certain way to the untrained eye….now im no football executive or former nfl player so obviously my eye test as well as others on this site are untrained…the best way to measure improvement is by winning….so as I’ve said earlier if the bucs go 2-14, but LOOKED competitive each week, committed the least amount of penalties in nfl history but lost every game by 1 point, would you consider that an improvement?…LOOKING and BEING are 2 separate things….GO BUCS!!!!
May 20th, 2016 at 3:00 pm
@BucBonzai
You have said the missing Kwon was the reason of the “collapse”, Which I think was the only small part. The last 4 games were actual good QB’s that made a huge difference!!! And its not like kwon 4 game suspension was a surprise. For the strangest of events it was mostly know all year long that he would miss 4 games!!!!
May 20th, 2016 at 3:14 pm
“Lord….so it sounds like you would be cool with the bucs going 2-14 but committing a record low 10 penalties and never getting blown out but losing every game by 1 point….right that’s real improvement….GO BUCS!!!!”
Um no. Nope. Great hyperbole lol.
My point was to stop trying to dumb things down to a child like level to measure success and actually judge performance on the field for the all encompassing thing that it is.
You’re right that in the end wins and losses are all that matters for accomplishment purposes; butyou act like an NFL owner should ignore all the tape and only make decisions on the W-L record without ANY other consideration which is f*cking stupid
May 20th, 2016 at 3:26 pm
He would have Ben correct about his 8 to 10 wins prediction if we had Aguayo last season.
May 20th, 2016 at 3:27 pm
It not like our offense did us any favors in the last four games!
May 20th, 2016 at 3:32 pm
@813- I get you bro. I’m just saying that I’ll be less upset if the product is better and we lose a few games in the process. I’m not going to drop $200 to go see a team that doesn’t compete. For the record, I could care less about the penalties as long as they’re not bone-head penalties.
Like every other regime, these guys will be scrutinized and will be under pressure to win games. To me, expecting a 6-10 team to turn into a 10-6 team in one season is a tall task for ANY coach.
May 20th, 2016 at 3:34 pm
Despite playing only two more games against playoff teams from last year this coming season will be tougher. Expected improvement of the Bucs should help to balance out the schedule as competitive. Airing it out is the big question mark for me and I imagine other Buc fans. Evans is not a speedy guy. When throwing deeper passes I wonder who wll be the primary threat. Many suggest Bell will make a big contribution, that’s possible. He is likely the only speed option available. VJ will add his share, ASJ might surprise in catches and durability. Brate and Humphries looked solid. Sims showed his versatility and Vitale could be a surprise addition. I probably left somebody out who could provide impact. The potential for passing success is there, The once touted Dunkaneers might materialize. We are close to about 100 days away from reality setting in if life as we know it marches on.
May 20th, 2016 at 3:34 pm
@Hog- There is plenty of blame to go around for a 6-10 team. It wasn’t ALL on the defense. Good point!
May 20th, 2016 at 3:40 pm
@lord…..I know im right thanks for admitting that….no one trying to dumb anything down…you play to win the game…its that simply…if the product doesn’t win, how good can your product really look…that’s all that owners and fans care about…WINS…the seahawks are always near the top of the league in penalties…sometimes they play undisciplined and look unprofessional…the only reason why no one complains is because they win….in 2015 in broncos, panthers and seahawks were all top 10 in penalties right along with the bucs…the only difference is that those 3 teams won a lot of games….if we would’ve won, no one would’ve cared about the penalties, drop passes or missed kicks….I guess you never hard of an ugly win or a pretty lost…GO BUCS!!!
May 20th, 2016 at 3:53 pm
@bucsfanman….no doubt the team looked like they were going thru the motions in a few games….it pissed me off sitting in the hot sun watch us look like we didn’t care….but I some what disagree with you in regards to dirk’s situation….increasing the win total by 4 shouldn’t be that hard because he knows all the players…offensively at least…he’s been there for a year now….there will be a learning curve for the defense especially if smith is going to use a 34/43 defense(even tho the defense couldn’t master 1 defense(43))….with the talent we have on defense now(4 first rounders talent wise) in VHG, ayers, spence and gmc we should and hopefully will compete…we’ll see….GO BUCS!!!!
May 20th, 2016 at 3:59 pm
Only a handful of times did I see Winston step back to pass and appear confused or indecisive. The mental part of the game comes easy to Jameis and if he can dial in his mechanics and the line holds up, he could very well be breaking Buccaneer records this season.
May 20th, 2016 at 4:05 pm
of the 5 playoff teams we face, I see the chief being the toughest…arrowhead is crazy….we get the broncos and seahawks at home down in the fla heat…arz I feel we can beat in the dome….panthers will be tough at home but I believe we win at home…GO BUCS!!!
May 20th, 2016 at 4:11 pm
813… I was thinking Denver would be the toughest for us. Didn’t factor in heat but that rush they have is crazy. It will be a good early test to see how our line is going to hold up. Von Miller makes me nervous
May 20th, 2016 at 4:17 pm
DB55…lmao…yep and it makes you start to wonder why.
May 20th, 2016 at 4:20 pm
@bucsfan4life….I thought about Denver but their qb situation is still iffy…and I believe they have a few new pieces along the oline as well…I think our qb play will be better than theirs but your right von make me nervous….GO BUCS!!!
May 20th, 2016 at 4:22 pm
off subject but I was wondering if Any of you season ticket holders know about when the tickets are available online in the account manager? This is my first year being a member and was looking for some insight on what to expect
May 20th, 2016 at 4:23 pm
Lovie lost me @ Washington….
May 20th, 2016 at 4:25 pm
Bucsfan4life…mine came in the mail so I have no idea what this online thingy is all about,
May 20th, 2016 at 4:31 pm
@buc1987 yeah they said I’d get a season pass in the mail but that they would also be available online. I just wanted something to look at because I’m so excited about being able to attend the games Haha. I was hoping to get actual tickets but if I heard him correctly they are just sending out the pass and no longer doing tickets
May 20th, 2016 at 4:36 pm
They told me that too, and then I got my package in the mail with my tickets, an old school creamsicle full size Buc flag which I cherish, a Bucs cooler bag and 2 pins. That was 2013 though so who knows.
I was only commenting about it, because I know how excited you are about it. I went bonkers when it came in the mail.
May 20th, 2016 at 4:59 pm
Buc1987 Says:
May 20th, 2016 at 4:23 pm
Lovie lost me @ Washington
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How did you make it past Tenn? Wash was the nail in the coffin. Philly was JW break-out game yet we NEVER talk about the philly game, what’s up with that?
May 20th, 2016 at 5:09 pm
Lovie lost me @ Naming ole man mcclown the starter!!!!
Then he grabbed the mic and started talking about defense gives you 8 wins and special teams gets you to 10 wins!!!!
I literally did the facepalm will saying no, no! No! NO! NO!!!!!!!!
May 20th, 2016 at 5:44 pm
There goes Buc Realist..nutting up on ole Lovie Again. Can’t help himself. Realist, you probably should wear a..Diaper!
May 20th, 2016 at 5:54 pm
Mike Johnson
Not sure realist needs a diaper but lovie sure could of used diapers when backup qbs, grocery store clerks and future radio show hosts were crapping all over lovie and his defense the last to years. I guess in Lovie’s case a body condom would have protected him better than a diaper.
May 20th, 2016 at 5:55 pm
Mike Mike Mike…..why do you care so much?
May 20th, 2016 at 6:02 pm
813 I understand and apologize for the hostility in my tone.
I guess I just saw what u were saying and thought that you’d be the type of person who freaks out if we win like 6-8 games and then claim there was no improvement at all and act like we should have kept lovie.
I think anything less than 7 is a failure. I expect 8-11 and being competitive in all 16 games
May 20th, 2016 at 6:04 pm
Well, Dirk Koetter doesn’t seem to be a numbers guy. Although I’m an accountant by career, I’m not a fan of solely utilizing numbers to judge a team’s success. I could easily see a 7-9 team that played hard, improved and restores hope for the near future. I could also see a 9 or 10 win team that leaves no doubt. Of course, the unthinkable could happen too. A disappointing 6 or fewer wins. Obviously, that would not be a good thing. I won’t look at the wins and make a judgement call as to how the coaches and team are doing, I leave that to what I see on the field. The play of this team week in and week out will decide how this team looks.
May 20th, 2016 at 7:32 pm
Kwon lost for the last four games hurt, so did the way the offense tanked!
May 20th, 2016 at 7:33 pm
Don’t care really. Just hate to see the ole confederate lynch mob reinacted!
May 20th, 2016 at 7:35 pm
Buc1987 and tmaxcon, I generally leave you guys out cause you say what you gotta say and go. But not the Buc Realist, he get a nut on Lovie, He like urinates all over himself at the mere mention of Lovie. You guys don’t. Or do you?
May 20th, 2016 at 11:13 pm
7-9
Not enough pass rush
Not enough depth at wideout
May 21st, 2016 at 8:59 am
The schedule is tough this year but if you really look at u got the 5 playoff teams with Seattle, Arizona, Denver, and the Kansas City. When u see those teams on your schedule it is intimidating because besides Carolina those are basically the top 5 teams in the league! That’s why it looks so tough for the bucs. But besides those teams not including our division games u got Rams, 49ers, raiders, bears, and chargers (in that specific order) wich are all winnable games. With the Raiders probably being the best out of the bunch. So if the bucs play to their expectations and show improvement on the defensive side of the ball we could easily see 9 wins from this team. 10 is a stretch but not out of the conversation. My prediction is 9-7 with 8-8 at the worst. There should be no absolute reason why we finish under .500 this year. We are to good for that.
May 21st, 2016 at 5:24 pm
after watching the beating Denver put on both Brady and Newton. This game will be the stiffest test of Jameis’s professional career.Their offense might be questionable,but that defense is wicked.We will need one hell of a gameplan.
May 21st, 2016 at 6:28 pm
I can agree with a productive kicker, stingy defense and potent offense.
It’s not far fetch to assume this win total is possible.
With a kicker under Coach My Scheme last year would’ve been 7-8 wins with a turnstile secondary.
I can see this prediction happen this season!
May 21st, 2016 at 11:44 pm
Wow the coach my scheme sheep. Wonder what nifty thing the far right Joe will post that you guys will latch on to like a teet???