Does Jameis Have Trouble Handling Success?
May 16th, 2016
On Mondays, Joe rises early and tunes in to PFT Live on NBC Sports Radio, before eventually kicking on NFL Network in the background. By 7 a.m., Joe is fully immersed in football.
Today, on the league’s mouthpiece station, Joe already heard a troubling take.
Former Redskins and Texans general manager Charley Casserly told the nation that America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, had trouble handling success in college. And he said it’s unknown after one season whether Jameis can handle succeeding in the NFL.
Was this take unfair?
Yes, Jameis couldn’t duplicate his undefeated run with Florida State in 2013. He lost one game in 2014, and his play fell off a notch. Last year, Jameis marched the Bucs to a 6-6 record and then his game dropped off. In his final four starts, Jameis tossed five touchdowns and had four interceptions, and his completion rate was 57.6 percent.
Still, Joe think Casserly is being unfair. Jameis was a fantastic and super college quarterback. The fact he couldn’t duplicate an historic, Heisman Trophy and national championship season achieved as a 19-year-old is understandable.
As for last season, yes, Jameis failed the challenge of December football after a two-month stretch of strong play. But Joe can’t go there with a straight face. Jameis was a rookie, and the offense was dragged down by injuries leading to playing time for third-rate receivers. Average-at-best threats from the tight end position didn’t help, either.
Joe would ask Casserly to see how Jameis responded to the “success” of playing in his first Pro Bowl. It inspired Jameis to dramatically improve his body and fitness.
Joe has no concerns with Jameis’ ability to handle success.
May 16th, 2016 at 9:32 am
Very interesting take by Charlie on Jameis. There is some reason (and history) to believe it is possible this could be a problem. However, I believe the new head coach, the QB coach and VJ and others will keep him grounded.
In college, he was THE big dog. No one else could rein him in. It’s different in Tampa and he also has a much better mindset going into this year and a better understanding of what is required and what he will have to deal with.
May 16th, 2016 at 9:33 am
Every time someone thinks about publicly broadcasting something/anything that crotchety old Casserly has to say they should instead consider doing everyone a favor by dropping him off at Luby’s cafeteria.
May 16th, 2016 at 9:38 am
That’s why Licht is keeping Glennon around, Winston is not a proven NFL QB yet.
May 16th, 2016 at 9:39 am
This is some incredibly weak correlation. “Because he has had some success, when he then starts to struggle it is because he succeeded before..”. The guy has played three seasons of big-time football. National Champ, Heisman, two final fours, 1 college loss, Pro Bowl, ROTY runner-up. I wish I could struggle like Jameis.
May 16th, 2016 at 9:39 am
His last 4 weeks mirrored the previous 12… Not sure that’s called a drop off. Lots of other reasons for the 0-4 finish.
May 16th, 2016 at 9:41 am
@Yar
No. Just no.
May 16th, 2016 at 9:43 am
Yah. He lost some of weapons in second year at fsu as well who went pro. Didn’t have best talent on offense around him. Travis Benjamin is good example
May 16th, 2016 at 9:44 am
I blame lovie for only carrying 5 wr 2 of which were CFL level talent for the end of the season collapse not Jameis. Between Jameis not having any talent to throw to when VJAX went down he also had to deal with Mike Evans acting like a baby and dropping every other ball thrown his way. I actually thought Jameis handled himself very well considering those around him were so mistake prone and acting like mental midgets. I have been saying this all offseason if Murphy and Dye make bucs roster the bucs are in a world of hurt at WR. Murphy has done nothing in his career except get hurt. He is not veristile and does not play special teams. Humphries and Bell are nice projects but can’t be counted on I believe with a real WR coach and not a Lovie family friend running the WR Evans will improve. However the bucs still need experience at wr when vjax misses games and he will.
May 16th, 2016 at 9:47 am
Its because JW3 is a celebrity,l The media is looking for anything that could even be considered a negative, because it would be a national story. The microscope is focused for him!!!!!
But MG8 could get drunk and drive thru a school and try to jump the bay only to be saved by a pod of dolphins and the story would only be mentioned by JoeBucsfan.com because it hurts his trade value, but the Bucs should trade him immediately for a Ham Sandwich!!!!!!!!
May 16th, 2016 at 9:51 am
Yar
Glennon is hardly a proven QB in the NFL either… All Glennon has proven is he’s 5-13…
May 16th, 2016 at 9:53 am
Lol
Dumb
Guess news is slow right now.
Winston was a phenom in college, with his success.
If the Bucs dont screw his career up, Like they’ve done to Gerald McCoy and countless others- Winston will be a phenom in the Pros
Last years draft was a great step in the right direction.
This years looks back to normal- bad.
The have to keep improving that offense- and getting Jameis weapons
They have to have successful drafts- unlike this one
Jameis success wont depend on him, sadly
It will depend on The Team
And thats too bad. They are the weak link
May 16th, 2016 at 9:56 am
Yar
Run while you still can. Hurry. Dont look back.
May 16th, 2016 at 10:01 am
Moe Casserly is such a stooge
May 16th, 2016 at 10:04 am
First of all, 2013 and 2014 were very different seasons. In 2014, Jameis had loss 3 of his top 4 WRs(One was Kelvin Benjamin), his starting center(Who was Tom Brady’s starting center the next year they won the Super Bowl, and his starting RB(Falcon’s Pro Bowl Devonta Freeman). He still had Rashad Greene and Nick O’Leary(TE) in 2014 but his next top 3 WRs had a combined 3 rec for 23 yards. 2 of those guys (Rudolph and Lane) were true freshmen. His numbers were down, but he lead a young WR group and a HORRIBLE defense to an undefeated regular season and multiple comeback wins(NC State, Miami, Louisville, Notre Dame). In the Louisville game he was getting murdered and he never missed a snap in career to injury. People speak of the Oregon game(his only career loss), but that was on of his best passing displays. He made some incredible throws and his only interception was a ball that went through a WRs hands. The game was already out of reach on his infamous fumble and it was on a 4th down play.
A part of me thinks Casserly was speaking of Jameis’ behavior when he said that he can’t handle success. The funny thing about that is most of his “incidents” happened before he ever threw a pass at FSU. The only thing that came after his Heisman season was the student Union FHRITP thing. Jameis had a very good rookie season and made a lot of rookie mistakes. That was expected, and by all accounts he has done nothing but built on last seasons SUCCESS. His name has only been in the headlines for positive things.
May 16th, 2016 at 10:05 am
Think you meant to say Kelvin Benjamin
May 16th, 2016 at 10:17 am
It’s stupid season.
May 16th, 2016 at 10:20 am
I would like to know why this is coming back to Jameis being an off field issue for some people. I feel like he proved he wants to win and will stay out of trouble. I mean yeah we maybe should keep an eye on him but he Has been all work No play this last year
May 16th, 2016 at 10:27 am
In order for Jameis to be successful….the Bucs would need to be winners…..I’m sure Jameis wouldn’t measure success any other way…..so, I’d like to see how Jameis handles success….and soon!!!
May 16th, 2016 at 10:30 am
LOL @ this dude being a former GM….
Um….has this guy been following JW3 since he left FSU or is he still holding on to the past? Did JW3 make mistakes after the success of 2013, unequivocally YES. 2014 was not a good year for JW3, but as the year wore on he improved his realization of needing to change and have not heard one peep about him doing something thought of as negative since the vulgar meme incident. His last game as a NOLE was Jan 2015. That was 16.5 months ago. How long do you hold on to the past before realizing a person has changed? When do you realize someone going from age 19 to 22, (FSU to now) is still becoming an adult? He’s handling everything just fine right now. Casserly is a former GM??? Might know why he’s not a GM after what he’s said about JW3. He’s lost his touch with evaluations of players.
May 16th, 2016 at 10:30 am
Lol, jk Yar.
Now about the story. Look, it really started to tick me off last year at just how fashionable it was to take a shot at Jameis. From misinformed opinion pieces to slanted marratives that try to aint Jameis in the same crowd as Jamarcus Russell and Josh Gordon and Johnny Manziel. Then you got dumbass people who read this national garbage trying to read between the lines of these “narratives” calling Jameis a drug addict, a woman beater, a club go’er and of course, most sickening, the “R” word, which just infuriates me when I see people call him that, most of which haven’t read ANYTHING about the case.
And the fact that he plays in Tampa hasn’t helped him out. If he played in Dallas or New York or one of those, they would be a little more careful about what they say due to the influence of those markets. But people can and do say whatever the hell they want about Tampa and no one will challenge or hold them accountable. They already bash and undermine our team. They bash US, as in i’ve seen many try to convince the people that diehards dont exist down here. So of course they are going to take a shot at our qb, even before last years draft when everyone knew he was going to be our qb. And most of this smut went uncontested because most of these writers are spineless. They know they can get away with writing bull spit about our qb cause no ones got our back, and the voice of the casual moron calling Jameis the r word is louder than the few of us who will defend Jameis. For every five of us defending our qb, there are 50 idiots calling him this and that. Its a big reason I dont even bother with bspn anymore.
Now this Casserley guy isn’t saying anything despicable, but “he dosent handle success well”? What the hell does that mean. Does he mean on the field? Or does he think once Jameis starts winning he’s going to hit the club all geeked up looking to womanize someone? I do know that Jameis just had one of the best rookie campaigns ever, right up there with Cam Newton and Adrian Peterson. And I saw Jameis get better every week with his foot work, his decision making. He got the ball out quicker which took alot of pressure of the oline. What did him in was lack of depth at receiver and that spineless, Kwonless defense not being able to hold a lead. This seems to be more of an opinion piece than anything by Mr Casserley, and not something to take too seriously.
May 16th, 2016 at 10:34 am
Oh so it was a radio segment.
May 16th, 2016 at 10:42 am
I’m more concerned with how he handles adversity. But Kudos to Joe for posting a not so pro-jameis piece. I, for some unknown reason, watched the Rams game from last season again. Jameis was extremely impressive in that second half minus a few forced throws in desperation. I know most of you will call it garbage Tim but go back and watch. That’s jenoris Jenkins in man coverage with JW dropping dime after dime on his head. The resiliency jameis showed in that game while the rest of the team was crapping the bed was encouraging.
May 16th, 2016 at 10:53 am
FSU lost a ton of talent after the Nat Champ. Jameis isn’t the reason FSU didn’t repeat and if Dalvin Cook has held onto the football maybe they would have. That kid has no issue handling success. They were making shirts in Tallahasee with Jameis Christ on the front before he ever threw a football. All he did was win a National Championship. Year two… Amid being investigated for a crime that could put him in jail for years he managed to bring that team within a game of another championship. Come on Joe, you are better than this…
May 16th, 2016 at 11:58 am
Yea it all LOVIE’S fault! What the hell!
May 16th, 2016 at 12:21 pm
I think he’s saying that once the team starts winning JW will come unleashed and start acting like Cam Newton. OH THE HORROR!!!!
May 16th, 2016 at 12:33 pm
DB55
if acting like Cam Netwon earns JW a League MVP trophy and the bucs go 15-1 – I can’t wait…
May 16th, 2016 at 12:44 pm
Exactly! All that aside we can’t have players showing emotions unless of course it’s Peyton, Brady or Luck then it’s okay. Rodger that?!
May 16th, 2016 at 12:45 pm
#discount double-check
May 16th, 2016 at 12:45 pm
BigHogHaynes Says:
May 16th, 2016 at 11:58 am
Yea it all LOVIE’S fault!
I am glad you finally figured it out…. Lovie could not coach his way out of a wet paper bag while juggling chain saws.
May 16th, 2016 at 1:28 pm
It’s called the rookie wall. Not to mention defenses start picking up on his tendencies later in the season. He will adjust and improve. The offense will be off it’s leash and koetter can do whatever he wants now.
May 16th, 2016 at 1:39 pm
6-10 is having success, I swear most Buc fans have settle on medicore. GMC get’s 34 tackles and 8 1/2 sacks and he is all world. In 2000 Sapp give’s us 16.5 and Marcus Jones give 13 sacks, even Booger give us 6.5 fromm the NT, Ronde Barber gives us 5.5 on corner blitzs.
May 16th, 2016 at 2:04 pm
At least he’s not handling success like Johnny Manzel, what little he had anyway…
May 16th, 2016 at 2:06 pm
Casserly also should remember that the pro season is 16 regular season games plus 4 preseason games versus 14 total games for Winston in his last season at FSU
May 16th, 2016 at 3:09 pm
Excuses. But what should we expect. With Winston they are fine to use. And always will be.
May 16th, 2016 at 3:25 pm
Winston had more media scrutiny than almost any QB in CFB history. The guy got suspended for cursing on campus…cursing! I teach students who were there and they say multiple people (guys and girls) did the same thing and everyone was laughing their butts off. Should he have been more careful? Sure. But if any other player in the nation got called out for cursing in public everyone would say “so the f*ck what?” Case and point–Mr. “I’m a mother fu#$ing soldier” Winslow cursed on television and no one batted an eye. Then Winston got called out for dressing out on for warm-ups at the game he was suspended even though this was common practice at FSU as evidenced by Bobo doing the same exact thing earlier that season.
My point is not that he didn’t make mistakes, but the guy put up with more scrutiny and more BS than I’ve ever seen a CFB player have to take and he still only lost 1 game.
Yeah, I’m not worried about what he can handle, because he’s already handled more than many of us handle in a lifetime.
May 16th, 2016 at 3:31 pm
Jameis seems like he’s handling both challenges and success very well. It would have been easy for him to fold after getting humiliated in his professional debut, but he put his head down, worked harder, and got better.
It’s unfair to pin the four December losses on Jameis alone, he didn’t have VJax, Mike Evans lost his mojo, ASJ was himself, and the defense was just plain awful without Kwon Alexander patrolling the middle of the field.
While I still question Winston’s personal integrity, I’m glad he’s a Buc because he is an excellent player and he has represented the team and the community with class since arriving a year ago.
May 16th, 2016 at 3:50 pm
LOL at this reach of a take by an old curmudgeon like Casserly.
May 16th, 2016 at 4:22 pm
an easy way to tell would be if jameis balloons up to 250
May 16th, 2016 at 4:32 pm
Charlie clearly has not been paying attention to the things Jameis has been doing since being drafted. And I am not just talking about his gameplay last season.
Also…those losses are NOT all on Jameis. That’s just stupid. Kwon getting suspended hurt the team a lot. Not that I blame Kwon. Being a rookie, I’m sure he never expected Red Bull to be banned. As soon as he found out, he stopped drinking it, but it was too late.
May 16th, 2016 at 4:33 pm
oxycondoms Says
“an easy way to tell would be if jameis balloons up to 250”
Not much chance of that…given his weight loss and working out so hard this off season.
May 16th, 2016 at 4:50 pm
[Please stick to one username. Trying to use multiple usernames can and will get you run. Thank you. — Joe]
Well, if a championship and playing in the championship game is what Casserly calls having trouble handling success, then give me that trouble any day!
May 16th, 2016 at 5:47 pm
I’m not the least worried about Mr. Winston. The offense will put points on the board. I’m worried about us..stopping the other team from scoring..more than us! Buc Fans..If our Defense can just improve 50% not 100%, we surprise the hell outta the critics…we win quite a few games this year. I can’t wait to see if there is mass improvement.
May 16th, 2016 at 5:58 pm
I don’t think Jameis sees anything short of winning the Super Bowl as success. We can have this conversation after he wins his first.
May 16th, 2016 at 6:24 pm
Bonzai…some people don’t keep up with what’s been happening in the off-season. Judging by some of the comments I read every day on here from peeps that just pop in and pop out.
May 16th, 2016 at 7:08 pm
Stories like this make the “yawn”season so monotonous. Truly nothing to see here people keep it movin! The only respect Bucs players get is the diss kind. Jameis had a very good rookie season but NFL.com and other media outlets don’t say anything good about him or the Bucs but you something about loser Manziel and the loser Browns.
One thing I can say about these fans is that if Winsaton ever becomes huge baby like Scam Newton they won’t make excuses like the putty tat fans, we’ll get into his crack.
May 16th, 2016 at 9:20 pm
Jameis needs to learn to play the position with a more even keel. He has a tendency to turn the game into a roller coaster ride. When he learns to quit pressing early in the game he will turn into a star, until then he will throw too many 1st half INTs.
Luckily I believe he has the drive to continue to improve. I don’t think we’re going to see his numbers improve all that much this year, but that’s mostly because of our personnel. We’ll be a 50% percent running team again this year. Until they bring in some juice at WR Jameis will continue to get beat up in the pocket because we don’t have guys who can get open fast, Winston constantly has to go through 2 or 3 reads before he can get the ball out.
May 17th, 2016 at 4:02 pm
probably would have been better to let this weak weak take quickly die on its own. to paraphrase Nick above, most college players and NFL rookies wish they could struggle like Jameis. the story behind both dropoffs has 2 parts:
1) his freshman season and the middle part of his rookie year were off the charts relative to his historic peers
2) he is still a product of the talent around him
in his sophmore year some of his best and most experienced teammates moved on to the pros, and last year his team was decimated around him as the team went into the home stretch. so yeah, he dropped off. hopefully soon he’s the type of player who completely transcends his supporting cast, but right now he’s still a young QB who is going to look like he’s missing his best teammates when, y’know, his best teammates are missing