Do Bucs Deserve A “B+?”
May 1st, 2016
Kicker Roberto Aguayo
Nothing quite like grading a draft within hours of its completion.
It’s almost like projecting the performance of a woman before a night of romance begins.
Still, its what most football people do to pass time in early May. One such fellow is the Custodian of Canton, eye-RAH! Kaufman, of The Tampa Tribune.
TAMPA BAY: GM Jason Licht wasn’t afraid to massage the draft board, emerging with perhaps the three best prospects at their respective positions in CB Vernon Hargreaves, DE Noah Spence and K Robert Aguayo, who came at a high cost. All should make an immediate impact in 2016. GRADE: B+
The first thing Joe will latch onto is Kaufman’s prediction of Noah Spence making an immediate impact in 2016. Joe expects little from Spence.
Look for Spence to be a rotational player primarily used as a third-down specialist. Especially early in the season. The NFL list of impact rookie DEs is short.
The Bucs were excited to sign “bridge” free agents, so they could actually serve as bridges to allow rookies to develop in a more organic fashion.
And, frankly, the Bucs are not a patient organization by NFL standards. The Jason Licht-Dirk Koetter regime is in win-now mode. Fans will be in uproar if the Bucs can’t improve on their record. If Jacquies Smith and Robert Ayers are the best starting DEs, then so be it.
Of course, kicker Roberto Aguayo must produce immediately.
May 1st, 2016 at 5:14 pm
No guarantee when it comes to kickers because the pro goalposts are much narrower than they are in college and the ball is a bit bigger as well…..so we really don’t know….
I’m with Joe, you can accurately grade a draft after the season.
May 1st, 2016 at 5:14 pm
And if Spence beats those guys out then so be it.
May 1st, 2016 at 5:16 pm
It’s almost like projecting the performance of a woman before a night of romance begins.
They already get an A+ if their sleeping with me!
May 1st, 2016 at 5:25 pm
Don’t be so quick to write of Spence contribution this year. Most highly touted DE prospects rely on their physical ability to beat college OLmen and struggle when they play NFL caliber linemen. Spence isn’t a physical freak like say Ogbah, every report says he is very clean technically and has numerous pass rush moves. Most DE prospects have speed and never take the time to develop their game.
May 1st, 2016 at 5:38 pm
The media like Ira keep saying the BUCS lost multiple picks or gave up too much when they DID NOT. The BUCS had 1 2nd round pick, 1 3rd round pick and 2 4th round picks, totaling 4 picks, before picking Aguayo. After picking Aguayo they had **2** 2nd round picks, 0 3rd round and 1 4th round, totaling 3 picks. That’s 4 picks vs 3 picks. They lost 1 4th round pick and moved their 3rd round pick up into the 2nd round. So they did not lose multiple picks, they lost 1 pick in the 4th round. Aguayo was projected as a 3rd round pick by a lot of different sites. If you’re going to pick him with your 3rd round pick anyway, then losing a 4th round pick to move up 15 spots to ensure you get your guy is not a bad move. 4th round picks are hard to project as immediate impact like Aguayo will be. Hell….4th round position guys aren’t even guaranteed to pan out. Unless Ira has forgotten, Tampa has lost games because of a kicker. Playoff teams and Super Bowl contenders don’t have kicker issues. Tampa fixed that problem with a transcendent kicker, as Licht said, or they could have waited another 10 years for an Aguayo type. Tampa started the draft with 7 picks and ended the draft with 7 picks. Not sure why people are freaking out. Licht has proven himself. Not sure why people want to start doubting him now. LOL
May 1st, 2016 at 5:43 pm
Thank you Eric!!! I don’t understand why more people can’t wrap their heads around that concept the Bucs only lost one pick out of the deal .
May 1st, 2016 at 5:50 pm
Jason’s first draft you almost have to give a D
His second on I think we can say an A
This one with the I feel like in the end will be a C-
We needed or need to make our d line violent
And the draft was deep enough and we had the pics to do it and we didn’t
May 1st, 2016 at 5:54 pm
^^^
They’re
I’ve always graded on a curve when it comes to the ladies.
You want to sleep with me?=A+
You don’t?=F must be a lesbian.
May 1st, 2016 at 5:56 pm
How does jason’s first draft get a D? Some people.
May 1st, 2016 at 6:02 pm
Of course its way too early to judge – but this draft feels like a solid “B” from my perspective. I really like the Spence pick at #2 and feel like we got great value there. He definitely has 1st round talent coming into the NFL.
May 1st, 2016 at 6:03 pm
Easy we passed on Donald for need
Mike is solid but think about Donald and Gerald
Austin dosent have it jarvis laundry was picked right behind him
Then taking the rb at 3 passing on a guard tre turner that went right after that pick who has been in two pro bowls.
When we need o line big time
Sims is average and a dime a dozen player and we didn’t need a rb
May 1st, 2016 at 6:03 pm
“In the end, what’s done is done. The result is that the Bucs have a very good kicker, whether he’s worth what they gave up to get him or not.”
And they have an Edge Rusher who improves their roster
And they have an CB who improves their roster
And they have an Safety / CB who may help
And they have an Olineman who may help
And they have an Linebacker who may help
And they have a Fullback.
More to hope for and to cheer for!
Time will tell
May 1st, 2016 at 6:04 pm
Amen Eric.
May 1st, 2016 at 6:06 pm
The only people that think giving up 2 potential starters for a kicker is a great idea are those who reside in Tampa. Licht is being laughed at all over the NFL. Horrible pick. We have too many needs to blow a third and fourth on this guy.
May 1st, 2016 at 6:08 pm
@Tom Edrington
They are exactally the same size. This isn’t the 80’s man. Plus a slightly wider ball is slightly easier to kick.
May 1st, 2016 at 6:08 pm
One, Maybe two of these picks, do NOT make the team
and that is IT
And three of the picks from this draft will be starters this year.
THREE Starters is hard to give a grade of anything less than a B
May 1st, 2016 at 6:10 pm
Buc not u are right – u just have to ask ur self if U want a dominating d or not.
If you say yes you didn’t draft for it in this draft
May 1st, 2016 at 6:11 pm
Too funny. Thanks for the clarification arm chair gm. No mention of pamphile who is a valuable member of our oline. What difference does it make if he was in the 5th rather than the 3rd. Your third round pick is part of the best running back tandem in the league. Mike evans is 1 of only 4 wr in history to start his career with back to back 1000 yards seasons. See you point out your preceive negatives to validate your point but i can squash all that nonsense. I love these arm chair gms. Is it still the silly season?
May 1st, 2016 at 6:14 pm
@Bucnut
Man U must really be plugged in to the tight knit NFL community. Or more realistically u regurgitated information from an earlier article posted on the comment boards here and stated by a guy nobody has ever heard off on a local radio station.
May 1st, 2016 at 6:21 pm
@Joe … “Of course, kicker Roberto Aguayo must produce immediately.”
Agree Joe, but I’d guess that most can understand why Jason Licht grabbed Roberto Aguayo (although perhaps one round early?). From what I’ve read, over half of the games in 2015 were decided by 7 pts or less … not much margin there. Over one-sixth of the games in 2015 were decided by 3 pts or less. Throw in the recent rule changes in kickoffs, and skills like Roberto has can pay off very quickly.
May 1st, 2016 at 6:22 pm
@Tom Edrington
Look Mike Nugent was great in his last 3 years but not once in a lifetime. Sebastian Janikowski was pretty darn good but wasn’t nearly consistent enough to warrant a 1st or 2nd round pick. Roberto missed 4 kicks in his first 2 years and had an “awful”season by missing 5 last year. Janikowski’s best season saw him miss 5 kicks. Roberto Aguayo will be a HOFer and he WILL have the highest FG percentage in the history of the NFL. If he kicks a game winner deep in the playoffs he will be the GOAT. If u question spending a late 2nd rounder on the guy who will be the Bucs leading scorer in history, HOFer and GOAT then you must be a pissed of Patriots fan or someone who has no idea how great Roberto Aguayo really is.
May 1st, 2016 at 6:23 pm
Sorry that last one wasn’t at you Tom, it was to everyone who questions greatest that is so clearly personified
May 1st, 2016 at 6:25 pm
Anyone watch the highlights for our UDFA WR from mount Union. I know level of completion was lacking but he might make some noise.
May 1st, 2016 at 6:30 pm
Joe is right about DE’s contributing right away…I think of Shane Ray in Denver last season…a few flashes but nothing substantial. Of course he was playing behind some better players…as for Aguaoy…my hope is that he doesn’t for instance miss 3 in a row and go in the tank. That’s what happened to Nugent when he was here. Kickers are streaky…and the Bucs have no choice but to stick with him almost regardless. I would have liked the WR from Germany with the 1st 6th round pick…otherwise…pretty enjoyable watching it unfold this year.
May 1st, 2016 at 6:30 pm
So we know any of the rookies #s yet, besides VH3
May 1st, 2016 at 6:32 pm
If your gonna bash someone for taking a kicker that high, bash Jameis. He’s the one who’s been in Lichts ear non stop since last year telling him he’s the greatest kicker in the Universe, so if your gonna point fingers do it at everyone involved.
May 1st, 2016 at 6:32 pm
Many people doubted Licht last year when he moved up into the second round to draft a Div III football player last year. Unheard of! Licht went “out of the box” and drafted Marpet. This kid Aguayo will win games and bring back the excitement that Martin Gramatica did and as a fan I’m all for it! B or B+ for this draft.
May 1st, 2016 at 6:34 pm
I stand corrected on the 1st 6th round pick…the German WR went a few picks before the Bond selection.
May 1st, 2016 at 6:39 pm
Again and again…besides the fact they were first rated on their position..
It’s important to know that drafting players, WANTING to be here, WANTING to be a Buc, WANTING to play with Jameis is VERY important to get rid of that cancerous growth that spread into the locker room last year..
There’s the locker room culture that was another position that needed to get fixed. Bring players in who want to be here, have a connection with the great Jameis and want to be a Buc! 3 of the draftess WANTED to play with Bucs..
Let me repeat that..okay here we go… THREE OF THE FOUR DRAFTEES WANTED TO PLAY WITH THE BUCS.
VH3, Roberto, and Vitale and Spence is good pals with Jameis!!!…THEY WANTED TO PLAY HERE!!! Vitale said he knew he was going to be a Buc and held on tight …
Hence why there’s a Buc not on the roster when he was GOOD!
May 1st, 2016 at 6:41 pm
My seats are miserably close to the field when everyone gets up to get drinks after we score. Now on 4th down in opposing territory I can get up and beat everyone to the bud heavy. I don’t need to watch Roberto kick anymore, I know it’s going in. I’m just excited to see if he can get even better!
May 1st, 2016 at 6:45 pm
Evaluation of the draft is impossible to do with an ounce of accuracy before these kids play one down in the NFL. Also injuries have to be factored in. Look what happened to the Jaguars first rounder last year…injured for the season before he could make a difference. Too many unknowns to judge. What we can do is evaluate if the positions picked fill needs or not and that is about it. Now the only thing is for the negative people to be themselves and the positive people to do the same. Then there are those in between who just remain cautiously optimistic.
May 1st, 2016 at 6:46 pm
Let me add the days of players NOT wanting to represent the buccaneers is over..The days when they just want to collect their checks and not give two craps about the team is OVER..They will ONLY have a team that want to win!!
Did anyone look at Danny Vitale’s twitters yesterday and some of the people that responded??? He wants to bring a SB to Tampa and wanted to be here more than any other team and Koetter had already talked to him…
OMG..hard to believe Aguayo’s pick is still being questioned..I know it’s a slow season again, but I think we need new hobbies..I am just going to take up knitting…
May 1st, 2016 at 6:55 pm
LifeofBucfan
Agree with your point completely!!!
To rest of you armchair GM’s who post with such authority. Your smug certainty is soooo off putting if I wasn’t so freaking lazy I’d save your posts to see how “smart” you know it alls really are.
With a 50-50 bust rate NOBODY knows how this class will turn out. Any or all could be busts.
But you have morons on here who don’t even care…they’re written off a kicker before he’s failed. Well “football experts”….check out the top 25 point scorers of all time!!!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_career_scoring_leaders
I can save you from following the link…the top 25 all time scorers in the NFL are ALL KICKERS!!!
The highest ranked non kicker is Jerry Rice who is sitting at 34th!!!
IF…and I concede like all draft choices…Aguayo is an IF…will he choke or not…he certainly has the accuracy and distance…will he get injured..or injure himself like Grammatica…I do not know.
But it’s CLEAR…if Aguayo performs in the NFL like he did in the NCAA this was a killer choice.
May 1st, 2016 at 7:05 pm
BTW…the other pick that seem to upset people VHGIII because he’s short and doesn’t possess blazing speed.
Ok be concerned if you must…but how about looking at what VHGIII brings to the table that no other corner did….he’s freaking stout…or as he’s been getting called “thick”. He’s built more like an RB than a DB!
Hey…maybe Smitty just might use a little press coverage…wouldn’t it be nice to have a cornerback large and muscular enough to hand fight with the bigger receivers at the line of scrimmage. It’s not all jump balls in the end zone!!!
May 1st, 2016 at 7:06 pm
Exactly StPete..
Like someone said to me last night over dinner..kickers are not in a so called “sexy” position…while the rest of the players are bad ass positions, kickers are your nerds..But with a good nerd, you can win games..
But we cannot ignore the fact that we needed accuracy and a player that dreamed of being a Buc..my GAWD it’s like winning two lotteries in a row..
May 1st, 2016 at 7:08 pm
B-
May 1st, 2016 at 7:10 pm
Whenever you are drafting in fantasy football, the last pick taken in the last round is the kicker. I just forgot this is a REAL draft. My rating: BE POSITIVE. keep cool
May 1st, 2016 at 7:16 pm
Impossible 2 grade now – Get at me in 3yrs
May 1st, 2016 at 7:20 pm
Repost:
Aguayo is a excellent kicker from 01-39..
2013-2015 FGA/FGM
• 01-19: (1-1 ) = 100%
• 20-29: (28-28) =100%
• 30-39: (17-17) = 100%
01-39 = 46/46 (Just a chip shot for this kid)
But he’s an average to below average kicker from 40+
2013-2015 FGA/FGM
• 40 – 49: (18-24) = 75%
• 50 – 99: (4-8) = 50%
In the beginning he should excel in kickoffs, extra points, and any inside of 39 yards. But he’s a work in progress from 40+, and that’s where NFL kickers make their money.
May 1st, 2016 at 7:22 pm
FSUKING-
I know many kickers including myself and I’ve only met one (Janikowski) person who prefers an NFL ball over a college one and he was a freak.
College balls are slightly lighter and seem to have a easier to find sweet spot. NFL balls are fine and in time I could kick it as well but the transition is tougher for some kickers than others.
May 1st, 2016 at 7:24 pm
*anything inside of 39 yards.
May 1st, 2016 at 7:26 pm
It’s interesting how Licht gets 3 of the best players at their positions—positions of need for the Bucs, BTW—yet still complain.
The entire “round” thing is badly overblown; it’s merely a road sign. Someone tell be the difference between a “1st Round” #32 and “2nd Round” #33?
Can’t?
Me neither.
The Bucs “2nd Round” pick for Aguayo was 5 from being in the “3rd Round.”
I know. Numbers are hard.
May 1st, 2016 at 7:27 pm
Drafting a kicker in the second round means he needs to be perfect and miss zero kicks during his rookie contract.
With that said draft grades are dumb and just a way to keep unoriginal sports writers busy during the off season
May 1st, 2016 at 7:34 pm
They are grading on the list of needs a team has and how hey filled they needs. Also based on betst player available when they picked their player. You can certainly grade the potential of the players and where they were picked. I hate when people nitpick and play elitist “its too early to have a mock draft.” Or “its too early to have draft grades.” But then those same people are posting about it on their blog and in the comments. It gives us football freaks something to talk about. be happy we have football to talk about in May.
May 1st, 2016 at 7:36 pm
If Aguayo is 85–90% that would be amazing.
May 1st, 2016 at 7:43 pm
@Stanglassfan
I know zero kickers so I’m no authority but in my experience of growing up with full size field goal posts in my backyard and kicking them both I like the NFL ball much more. But I know they have “k balls” in the NFL which are all shinny and not nearly as wide as a game used ball. They don’t have them in college so that could be why.
May 1st, 2016 at 7:44 pm
Drafting a kicker in the second round means he needs to be perfect and miss zero kicks during his rookie contract.
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Thats ridiculously stupid. Its like saying Jameis must complete every pass during his rookie contract. He’s going to miss some kicks. Licht has no intentions of him being perfect. Nobody is perfect. Just stop.
May 1st, 2016 at 7:49 pm
Bleacher Report, wrote ” This was the dumbest pick in the history of the draft.”
May 1st, 2016 at 7:51 pm
I love #3 but let’s remember. His legend or at least his record would not be as good if Aguayo hadn’t converted that FG with 3 seconds left against BC.
Give Fameis credit for leading the drive that put the Noles in position but that team would not have been undefeated without Aguayo.
That was a great combo on that game winning drive…Fameis playing his arse off to get the Noles in position and Aguayo closing the deal. Let’s hope we get to see that in the future with the Bucs. At least the pieces are in place.
May 1st, 2016 at 7:54 pm
Fsuking Says:
I know kickers well.
The “K” ball is a ball guaranteed to be fully inflated.
Back in The Day, some teams & kickers would cheat bu putting in balls on kicking downs that were underinflated by 3-4 lbs (much softer allowing more compression) and balls over inflated by 2-3 lbs. (think “brick”, especially on a cold day) for visitors. There is no difference between a K and regular ball. I won’t name names, but a few old kickers made a living off of soft footballs.
Used to be the college & NFL balls were different, the Wilson Duke for the NFL and the Spalding J5V, or the Rawlings ball in college. I don’t know if that’s the case today. The Duke was slightly shorter and a smidgen fatter, the J5V pointier and slightly more narrow. The Duke could tumble better for kicking with a fatter sweet spot and could “fly” better, but the Spalding ball could spiral more easily for punting because of a longer sweet spot.
May 1st, 2016 at 7:55 pm
ED
Will you still read Bleacher Report? That was the dumbest freaking statement I’ve ever read!!!!
Do you guys know what the word hyperbole means? Apparently somebody at Bleacher report is too ill educated to grasp the concept.
This was the dumbest pick in the history of the draft.”
Really? I won’t return the favor by saying it was the worst bit of draft analysis I’ve ever read…but it’s pretty damn close. Especially for anybody who has followed this franchise. If Aguayo pulls a hammy in pre season and NEVER even kicks in the NFL it won’t be the worst pick for even the Bucs…much less the entire league for it’s entire history.
Do some of you guys believe that exaggeration in any way makes your posts any stronger?
May 1st, 2016 at 7:57 pm
RayJay
I need your help bro. It’s getting deep in here and I need you to get me to chill.
You are correct many of these posts are not even worth a response.
May 1st, 2016 at 7:57 pm
I can TOTALLY judge the performance of a woman in bed the night before ‘romance’ ( see, getting freaky deaky ) but I agree that I am not the norm.
May 1st, 2016 at 7:58 pm
Ahh Lawd – somebody in got StPete started.
Let me grab a glass
May 1st, 2016 at 7:59 pm
Cobra
Thanks for that insight. But it does beg one question.
The “K” ball is a ball guaranteed to be fully inflated.
Even in a playoff game in New England. Ok a little snark but I couldn’t resist.
May 1st, 2016 at 8:00 pm
Lol That cant be true cuz Janikowsky was drafted in the 1st so that by default would be the dumbest move in the history of the draft. Nice try though.
May 1st, 2016 at 8:00 pm
Luv
I thought we agreed the other night that the glass isn’t the way to go…unless it’s at the bottom of a bowl! 🙂
May 1st, 2016 at 8:01 pm
SB with Jameis
lol – no doubt.
You must partake before you date
May 1st, 2016 at 8:01 pm
St.Pete
Lol
May 1st, 2016 at 8:02 pm
Nah, I’m talking about for a drink brotha. lol
May 1st, 2016 at 8:02 pm
So does that lead us to a game..
Who was the worst pick in NFL draft history?
Ryan Leaf? Gaines Adams?…I bet you guys are loaded with candidates.
May 1st, 2016 at 8:02 pm
@tampatony
That has only happened twice man it’s totally unrealistic to expect a perfect season. That being said I would probably take 18-1 odds on Roberto having a perfect season, a total waste of $ with any other kicker. I think he will be the third to do it
May 1st, 2016 at 8:03 pm
Fsuking Says:
May 1st, 2016 at 6:08 pm
@Tom Edrington
They are exactally the same size. This isn’t the 80’s man. Plus a slightly wider ball is slightly easier to kick.
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They are Not the same size. NFL goal posts are 4 foot narrower and a bigger ball is Not easier to kick further and more accurately.
May 1st, 2016 at 8:10 pm
@Cobraboy
Well not only did u completely agree with everything I said and reinforce my point, you also made the point that “k balls” are always fully inflated and no different than a regular football. What are you talking about bro? A game ball is game worn and altered to the QBs preference. A “K ball” is completely unaltered, rock hard and shinny. Like you completely agree with me and then make something up? Kickers hate these things bro, ask your freinds
May 1st, 2016 at 8:11 pm
Dang this is getting funny. Here I am defending a Gator pick and a Nole pick and I’m neither a Gator or a Nole. Love both teams. My wife went to USF so I gotta take the Bulls over those two to keep peace in the house…but I generally root for both teams and in the big game I root for the team with the most on the line..IE a title or undefeated season. Go GatorNoles! And now…GO BUCS.
May 1st, 2016 at 8:14 pm
I can’t really believe you guys have a love affair with Roberto, failing to see the real issue. That is what we had to give for him, losing a draft pick however gained was just too much to give with a team that could have filled much greater needs. Yes our kicking was atrocious at best during the first three games. Then we got rid of Brinza and got Connor back and it greatly improved. Yes Roberto is a great college kicker and hopefully pro. We have him and the issue should be over but if you’re going to quote obviously tainted numbers and compare position 32 & 33 as being the same go do more research. You sound like a IRS agent.
May 1st, 2016 at 8:15 pm
Speaking for Pablo
“Pablo gives the draft an A+…..of course ……and Pablo appreciates Hason making sure we got Roberto.”
May 1st, 2016 at 8:17 pm
@SBwithJameis
Dude come on bro at least click one tab over and do a little research before making yourself seem dumb. I know your not u have some good comments on here. Ever been to a bulls game? Or like any bowl game?
May 1st, 2016 at 8:17 pm
LUVMYBUCS Says:
May 1st, 2016 at 7:58 pm
Ahh Lawd – somebody in got StPete started.
Let me grab a glass
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Lol LUV. I will do the same. Hope all is good with you and yours bro.
May 1st, 2016 at 8:20 pm
We Good Bro – same to you
May 1st, 2016 at 8:22 pm
18 ft 6 inches anywhere u go, even Canada. And like Cobraboy said while he was misreading my comment, it’s an opinion which ball a kicker likes. Plus, there are different versions of college balls. Certain balls like the GST have big fat composite laces which hurt like hell of your foot and have to affect ball flight in someway
May 1st, 2016 at 8:23 pm
You have to judge the draft as a whole…..the problem is that the extra pick Licht used was acquired by Licht during the draft…..we still ended up with our original 7 picks.
Sure, it seems to many the price was too high for Aguayo…but it’s too soon to make that judgement…..give it about 3 years like most players get.
As for the rest of the draft……picks 1 & 2 were very solid….and if we get even one eventual starter out of picks 4,5,6 & 7…..it will be a great draft.
Somehow I think we will be pleasantly surprised by one or more of the bottom 4 picks……..Vitale may be a huge wild card. Caleb is solid…..and Smith may also be a sleeper.
I think we really improved our special teams…and don’t forget we likely improved our punter in FA.
May 1st, 2016 at 8:24 pm
FSU. No I have never been to a Bulls game. Yes I have been to several UF bowl games and a couple FSU ones. I fail to see how I appear dumb for saying a larger ball is not easier to kick further. But I don’t know why we would fight. You mistook a comment I posted a few weeks ago and completely went after me. I am just trying to maintain camaraderie as best I can.
May 1st, 2016 at 8:26 pm
U just said goalposts in college are 4ft wider. They are not. Do people even read my comments on here or just glance in their direction
May 1st, 2016 at 8:28 pm
StPeteBucsFan Says:
May 1st, 2016 at 8:00 pm
Luv
I thought we agreed the other night that the glass isn’t the way to go…unless it’s at the bottom of a bowl! 🙂
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^^^^^^^^^^This
May 1st, 2016 at 8:28 pm
And I don’t remember going after you? Unless u said something dumb. Lol I’m jk
May 1st, 2016 at 8:30 pm
FSU……No I did not scroll down comments before posting. It is a Sunday afternoon. I have been fishing, mountain bike riding with my son and have pitched at least 150 balls to him and his friend. I am now drinking some Montana Roughstock Bourbon and am not really interested in nitpicking someone’s stuff. My bad if I got something wrong due to lack of whatever.
May 1st, 2016 at 8:32 pm
It’s all good. But u can see how it’s annoying that 2 people so far have corrected my accurate statement about goalpost width. Plus I’m pretty bored, hence the heavy activity on JBF.com
May 1st, 2016 at 8:32 pm
You went after me when I said “FSU football is over” to all the people that wanted us to trade up to 5 or 3 to get Ramsey. I wasn’t saying literally that “FSU ‘football’ is over” I was just saying that Ramsey isn’t a Seminole anymore and start thinking about your Bucs first. It was just kinda the same thing I just did by not reading fully into my post as I did not yours
May 1st, 2016 at 8:32 pm
Nfl.com gave us a B.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000657506/article/2016-nfl-draft-quicksnap-grades-for-nfc-teams
May 1st, 2016 at 8:33 pm
StPeteBucsFan Says:
Was there EVER a worse #1 than Booker Reese or Tony Mandarich?
May 1st, 2016 at 8:33 pm
Plus I’m pretty bored, hence the heavy activity on JBF.com
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🙂
May 1st, 2016 at 8:35 pm
Saints, Bucs, Raiders, Jets, were the teams close in contact with Roberto…he would have gone to someone else..and pretty quickly…and this is from Roberto himself…
So yeah, glad we got him…and didn’t risk..
GO BUCS!
GO ROBERTO!
May 1st, 2016 at 8:36 pm
Hang in there SPBF. I was enjoying some free Patron Silver that I received from the Tampa Hard Rock Casino. I am proud of my self control to just go in for my free bottle and walk out without gambling. That is the same self control I use with the idiotic comments that a few quasi humans post here. There are several intelligent people here such as yourself and TBBF and others as well. Basically, everyone who shares my opinions are intelligent and the others are not…LOL
May 1st, 2016 at 8:36 pm
StPeteBucsFan Says:
Who was the worst pick in NFL draft history?
It would have to be picking dominik to run the draft!!!!!!!!!
May 1st, 2016 at 8:36 pm
Yea I’m guilty. I see the words FSU football is over and I go blind with rage. FSU football is strong baby. Whoooo! And last year was my first season ever liking the Bucs more than the Noles. Don’t get me wrong here though I haven’t missed a Bucs home game since I graduated from FSU 3 years ago. Didn’t miss one of those in 6 years up there
May 1st, 2016 at 8:41 pm
Fsuking Says:
The “regular” NFL game ball is NOT “altered” to the QB’s preference.
I did NOT agree with you. You were wrong. The “K” ball is just guaranteed to be 100% spec, that’s it. Not too much air, not too little air.
I’m not sure what “shinny” is. Shiny? Skinny? But technically it makes no difference.
FWIW, I have about 45 years+ of kicking/ST geek in my background…
May 1st, 2016 at 8:41 pm
I congratulate you for your Loyalty to your school. I graduated from UF in 89. However my dad bought season tickets to the Bucs in ’76 when I was 9 yrs old. I didnt miss a home game for 20 years. He sold the tickets in ’96 when we hired Dungy and I have never let him live it down. So we have slightly different football backgrounds but we are Bucs fans Now!!! Go Bucs
May 1st, 2016 at 8:42 pm
Doesn’t the worst pick in NFL history have to be Ryan Leaf? Not only did he suck giant bags of d#%ks, he set the Chargers franchise back about as far as any player could cause they replaced him with Drew Brees, who was subsequently one of the worst trades of all time, for one side
May 1st, 2016 at 8:43 pm
Tampabaybucfan Says:
The addition of Anger and Aguayo improve the Buc kicking game from bottom-tier to potentially top-tier.
Bryan Anger has a laser-guided howitzer for a leg…
May 1st, 2016 at 8:43 pm
Yes the only lost 1 pick but we still would of got the kicker in the 3rd round . Bucs needs all the help they can get.
May 1st, 2016 at 8:44 pm
Joe, I think you just brought a tear to my eye..
For years I have been begging for this mentality. Where you’re not plugging guys into starting roles because that’s where you drafted them, or how much you paid em.
“Bridge” players is excactl what we need to be thinking, then you develop high talent guys behind them.
As far as judging a woman’s performance, look in them eyes cause you can’t hide crazy… I’m sure they looked close into Spence’s
May 1st, 2016 at 8:45 pm
Grandpa did I the same thing 76′ to 89′ he had some premium 50 yard line tickets. He actually had his picture up on an ad in the original Tampa stadium which is how he got them. Gave them up the year I was born. It’s gonna take me 20 years just to get back near the 50 yard line.
May 1st, 2016 at 8:47 pm
With the last pick i give the bucs B+ that dude is a alstott clone.
May 1st, 2016 at 8:48 pm
LOL…….Yeah my dad who is 70 now was one of the first 1000 Season Tix holders ever. We were second row 40 yard line, right behind the Bucs Bench and close to the Camera. Our family used to get put up on commercial breaks all the time cause we used to wear the same Bucs Shirts every game in the early years. In the 80s and 90s he wouldn’t even go to the games and would give me all 4 tix so I could take my friends.
May 1st, 2016 at 8:49 pm
Here’s my Sunday morning GM draft (just for its and giggles)
1. Treadwell
2. Spence
3. Braxton Miller
4. Aguayo
4b. Andrew Billings
5. Miles Killebrew
6. Super back was cool with me.
As for me I’ll grade it a C+ bc of the 4th n 5th round picks. Just thought Killebrew has an AWESOME name, seems like a ball hawk, brings serious wood when he hits and runs like a RB.
May 1st, 2016 at 8:50 pm
UMMMM, I may be wrong but I think the worst pick in the history of the Bucs was Bo Jackson. Picking a kicker with a very strong college resume who wants to be a Buc who barring injury will improve upon the Bucs 2015 kicking stats below is not by far the worst pick.
FGM: 29
FGA: 40
PCT: 72.5%
20-29 YDS: 10-11
30-39 YDS: 10-11
40-49 YDS 4-9
50+ YDS: 5-9
There is no way to reason with the folks who hate the pick though, so I am not going to try. I think it was a solid draft based on needs and the potential of the guys selected. I was not real excited about Kwon Alexander and look what he has done. I trust the new regimes evaluation of what their team needs to become contenders.
May 1st, 2016 at 8:53 pm
I give a B grade. also like the signing of the kid from Auburn…6’2 282lbs Defensive End signed after the draft. looks promising
May 1st, 2016 at 8:58 pm
@db55
Not bad but I think Lichts was better. I wanted Silverberry Mouhon because of his legendary name. SILVERBERRY is on this guys birth certificate!
May 1st, 2016 at 9:01 pm
King
I’d say Ravens and Texans had the best drafts. Ravens loaded up on DEs and Texans prob have the best WR Corp in the league (on paper at least).
May 1st, 2016 at 9:03 pm
King
Silver berry and bond sounds like characters from the key and Peele skits. Bond def looks like one.
May 1st, 2016 at 9:17 pm
OK…..here’s one.
I believe this is the case…
The Tampa Bay Bucs have the highest drafted kicking tandem in NFL history.
Bryan Anger 3rd Round 2012
Roberto Aguayo 2nd Round 2016
How ’bout that!!!
May 1st, 2016 at 9:18 pm
I believe every Bucs fan has the right to say what they feel, good or bad. But realistically nobody knows how this will end in years to come, not even the Bucs. I feel good about the draft and am looking forward to seeing them at Training Camp. “Go Bucs”
May 1st, 2016 at 9:19 pm
I think the Jags had the best draft and to be Honest Atlanta’s is pretty bad ass too potentially.
May 1st, 2016 at 9:19 pm
Luv..it’s not that impossible to grade now. I’m a wait 3 years guy myself.
That shouldn’t stop YOU of all people from making a preliminary assessment of the draft. I mean it’s just what you took from the draft or whether you think they may or may not improved the team.
Preliminary assessment Luv. I had to google the big words for that one.
May 1st, 2016 at 9:20 pm
Fun fact, kinda, more visitors to Yellowstone have been killed by swimming in the hot pools than by Grizzly bears.
May 1st, 2016 at 9:20 pm
I give our Bucs a solid B rating. Depends on how our Rooks pan out. We addressed our biggest need..Defense. So I am happy! I do think choosing a kicker was the right move. A truly great one only comes along once in a while. This kid has the potential to be great. And he has youth on his side. Can do nothing but grow and get stronger. When and if he pulls us out of those real close games, Buc fans will see his true worth. I love the fact there will be great competition in our Defensive camp this year.
May 1st, 2016 at 9:21 pm
@db55
I’m gonna hop on the bandwagon and go with the Jaguars cause they did something special with there first 3 picks. I’m putting the Bucs top 10. So many people hate us picking a kicker that they don’t realize we had a stellar draft. They can suck it I’m getting an Aguayo jersey tomorrow. I think I’ll wear the Jameis jersey on offense, Vernon’s when it comes back from the seamstress and Aguayo’s on special teams.
May 1st, 2016 at 9:22 pm
Eric – We gave up two picks for Aguayo. The one used to draft him (3rd round) and the one used to move up for him (4th).
TDestinjohnny Says – I agree with you 100%.
To give this draft an A or even a B+ means you have not put the time in to make a decision based on the quality of players drafted, quality of players available that were passed on and number of players drafted for wehich positions of need as well as BPA. I will start by asking you if LT Laremy Tunsil was available at nine or even 11 for that matter would you have wanted him drafted? So what about the bong, we dtafted Noah Spence. If not Tunsil why not Sheldon Rankins? OK we drafted Hargreaves. Cool. Noah Spence cool. Robert Aguayo is perfect from 39 yards in but he is 5-8 (62%) from 50+ (long 53) and 18-24 (75%) from 40-49. Conner Barth was 43-55 (79%) 40-49 and 16-25 (64%) 50+ (long 57). Aguayo was perfect from 39 yard and in during his 3 years at FSU while Barth missed just 4 FG from 39 yards in during 7 years as a pro. My point is that the Aguayo hype is based solely on the fact that he went 100% from 39 yards in during his 3 years at FSU. If you compare Conner Barths percentages he is a better kicker today than Robert Aguayo with better distance. The difference between a kicker who makes 100% of his kicks from a certain distance and the other kicker only missed 4 kicks from the same distance over a 7 year period, those four kicks represent 12 points over 7 years if Aguayo makes every kick from that distance over 7 years. 12 points. Are two draft picks worth 12 points? The players we should have drafted instead of Aguayo are NT Andrew Billings and Jevon Hargreaves. We should have used this draft to build a championship caliber defense. We did not. It starts with the defensive line and in a draft which featured the best DT class I have ever seen, we did not draft a single DT?
May 1st, 2016 at 9:22 pm
*their
May 1st, 2016 at 9:23 pm
For any of you REAL FOOTBALL FANS the place kicker pick (Mr Aguayo), was a reach, because of the position he playes, he will no doubt be a beast in the kicking game, that being said, THE BACK STABBER has an alias IN LICHT WE TRUST!!
May 1st, 2016 at 9:26 pm
godzilla13…I would have went Tunsil.
Which is one of the reasons for a B- borderline C+.
May 1st, 2016 at 9:29 pm
@godzilla
You just spent 20 min comparing the best kicker in college history to Connor Barth. Then you called people other people out? Hahahahaha you can’t compare a college kickers stats to a pro kicker stats. I don’t know one successful kicker who didn’t improve from college to pros. Also let take away Aguayo’s “awful” year where he missed 5 kicks. Puts him at 14-17 from 40+ and 4-5 from 50+. If u get to compare a college kicker to a pro I can forget Roberto’s avg year.
May 1st, 2016 at 9:30 pm
I was also chanting DL DL DLl for weeks in here.
May 1st, 2016 at 9:32 pm
I’m just happy the draft is done so we can get back to discussing football.
May 1st, 2016 at 9:33 pm
And let’s look at some of his misses last year. Put one directly over the post from 53 yards, dinged two off the post from 45+ and came up about a yard short due to a bad hold from 56. Not exactly bad kicks, that’s just a long way for a ball to travel and he will improve those minor flaws I promise
May 1st, 2016 at 9:33 pm
The Bucs lost a pick that they did not have before the 1st round of the draft, Geez….
May 1st, 2016 at 9:35 pm
He missed 9 of 257 kicks. Meanwhile Barth was the 24th kicker in the NFL. Not too hard to figure that one out.
May 1st, 2016 at 9:36 pm
@godzilla
Also Barth was pretty terrible in college for the most part, had one good year. 76% overall. He missed 6 extra points, Roberto only missed 9 kicks. What a waste of time and though minimal, brainpower
May 1st, 2016 at 9:37 pm
Jags, Falcons and saints all had strong drafts. Might as well add Carolina to the list. Luckily we have the messiah wearing pewter and red therefore fear no evil for he is with us. His arm n legs with comfort us.
May 1st, 2016 at 9:37 pm
If the top 34 scorers of all time are kickers…. That kind of defeats your own logic doesn’t it. All you have to do is be a kicker and you’ll score more points than a position player, obviously. Stick around the league long enough and you’re in the top 34! Anyway, how many of those 34 kickers were even drafted? I doubt that half were picked at all, especially if you adjust for the draft dropping from 12 to 7 rounds? No way even half were drafted and maybe, maybe 1 was picked as high as our new savior. I wish him well, but defending this pick, this high requires you to speculate that he will be a HOF’er which every defender of the pick is taking for granted and and calling critics haters ect.! Preposterous! If I declared it a fact that any other 2nd rounder ever drafted would be a HOF’er, I would rightfully be laughed off the internet! But since he’s a Buc and a kicker it makes sense? Seriously!
Not to mention that kickers (even veterans) “bust” all the time and are rotated out like musical chairs across the league everywhere. He may be different but how long a rope do we have to give him now if he struggles? How many games can he lose for us if it goes wrong? The same amount or more than he can win by being perfect! That’s the truth about how this “safe” pick is causally risky.
May 1st, 2016 at 9:38 pm
FSU selling it.
May 1st, 2016 at 9:38 pm
Draft picks aside, when a Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan makes naive assessments like that on an obviously mediocre draft, he deserves a 6-10.
May 1st, 2016 at 9:40 pm
DB55
U know I had a good laugh – when Tennessee took Conklin @9
May 1st, 2016 at 9:40 pm
@godzilla
Oh crap! I didn’t realize that u called Connor Barth a better kicker today than Roberto. Sorry man I didn’t mean to be so aggressive, you obviously are a moron sir. I’m just glad you can use a computer. Good for u
May 1st, 2016 at 9:41 pm
Deez nuts…yeah a fan “deserves” 6-10 for making any kind of assessment or comment on a blog for that matter.
Says? You?
May 1st, 2016 at 9:41 pm
HOLY SNAP Fellas………..Mike Johnson just said something rational and conversational without putting anyone down and it was non offensive to anyone. THIS is a day in JBF History.
May 1st, 2016 at 9:42 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_vpfblTqng
May 1st, 2016 at 9:44 pm
Fsuking
I my Willie Brown voice: “Settle Down… Settle Down”
May 1st, 2016 at 9:45 pm
Luv
Seriously believe Robinson robbed us on that pick. Coulda shoulda woulda went Tunsil or DT but whatcha gonna do? We got the best pure CB in the draft. Hehe cough cough. Winking at u SB. Jk I’ve moved on to the acceptance phase of grief. Lol
May 1st, 2016 at 9:49 pm
DB55
Real talk, I feel the same way. Cause our draft room looked real depressed afterwards. It’s all good though
Yeah Tunsil – I was like 4 real – U pass Up Tunsil?
Hey U gotta give it to him – Licht a bold dude.
May 1st, 2016 at 9:50 pm
Fun fact: in the year 2000 the only year Shawn king started all 16 games he out scored Gramatica by 12 points. King totaled 136 point n gram 124 points. King was pick # 50 overall N gram #80 overall. Over their careers gram out scored King with extra points alone.
King was hating on the Aguayo pick but almost got out scored by a kicker during his 1 and only playoff run. Hmmm
May 1st, 2016 at 9:54 pm
@ LUVMYBUCS
Thanks I really needed that. All this incompetence is getting to me. Say what you want about picking a kicker in the second round, but to suggest that he is anything but the best kicking prospect in history is just so uninformed
May 1st, 2016 at 9:55 pm
It’s all good DB. Weve been all good for years.
May 1st, 2016 at 9:57 pm
DB55
Our Big Splurge in 2010 was a punter. When we needed to upgrade other positions.
Now we trump that by trading up for a Kicker.
LUVMYBUCS
May 1st, 2016 at 9:57 pm
Rookies training camp starts tom?
You my boy SB!
May 1st, 2016 at 9:58 pm
Fsuking
He’s a good prospect – just a little suspect from 40+
Time will tell how he adjust – to the big leagues.
May 1st, 2016 at 10:00 pm
DB55
So both Ali Marpet & J.R Sweezy – are out for 8wks?
May 1st, 2016 at 10:01 pm
Can we at least keep this in perspective…..
Don’t you think Aguayo was a better pick than Myron Lewis?……
We used a 2nd round pick on Daquan Bowers & Brian Price……and Sabby.
And that’s just recent history. There have been many worse picks by the Bucs than this one…..and yes, he has yet to kick a single ball for us, so his value is still undetermined.
May 1st, 2016 at 10:01 pm
Luv
Idk if you heard but ME13 is getting 20 TDs this year so no worries.
May 1st, 2016 at 10:03 pm
DB55
Hmmm Ok
May 1st, 2016 at 10:03 pm
Luv
What do you mean they’re out for 8 weeks?
May 1st, 2016 at 10:04 pm
Best in the history of kickers. You won’t remember this in 30 years when he’s giving his HOF speech, but in the back of your mind u will know. I’m not claiming to be clairvoyant. I just pay very close attention to FSU football players. If u put me in front of Licht for 20 min and let me discuss this years crop, he would hire me on the spot as a Tallahassee regional scout
May 1st, 2016 at 10:05 pm
When is the start of OTA’s?
May 1st, 2016 at 10:06 pm
8 weeks away?
May 1st, 2016 at 10:07 pm
My bad
OTA offseason workouts: May 24-26, May 31, June 1-2, June 6-9
May 1st, 2016 at 10:09 pm
(4wks) At least the reserves, can get some extra reps
May 1st, 2016 at 10:10 pm
Its all bs until week 2-3 of PS.
May 1st, 2016 at 10:22 pm
It’s all bs until PS
“Im friends the Monster that’s under my bed.
Get along with the Voices inside of my head.
And you think I’m crazy”
May 1st, 2016 at 10:23 pm
The pick was not simply to replace Barth who is a competent if not great professional. It was taking a chance to get a “generational” kicker…potentially a guy who could become the BEST IN THE GAME!!!
If you guys can’t see the advantage in having the BEST kicker in the game then there’s nothing left to say.
He may bust…every player we picked may bust…but if Aguayo lives up to his promise and the visible talent…this pick will be golden for years to come…as in 10-15 years of not ever again worrying about our FG kicker.
May 1st, 2016 at 10:24 pm
@cobraboy
http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2726072
Idk how you can be around the NFL for 55 years and not know this stuff
May 1st, 2016 at 10:28 pm
I ain’t letting misinfo slide tonight, even if the only people who care are me and an out of touch special teams guru
May 1st, 2016 at 10:30 pm
Rock On King! Rock On man!
May 1st, 2016 at 10:32 pm
How can you grade a draft with no sample sets???
You can like or dislike but it’s impossible to grade a draft with no samples.
Just hope for the best and just wait to see what else the front office does to help DT. You can’t do everything in one off-season.
May 1st, 2016 at 10:32 pm
I agree godzilla13
May 1st, 2016 at 11:03 pm
I find no comfort in not having to worry about a kicker for ten years.
I am worried about our defense getting shredded come fall.
May 1st, 2016 at 11:06 pm
Talk about permanent pressure on every single kick for the rest of his career…..that’s what Aguayo will have…..not his fault he was drafted so high….or maybe it was….he could have missed a few more kicks in college like everyone else.
He will miss….he’s human.
May 1st, 2016 at 11:06 pm
That sounds like the Pablo in you TBBF 🙂
May 1st, 2016 at 11:09 pm
Honestly………..True and Full Disclosure?…………I don’t think Defensive Personnel was our problem last yr as much as I do Defensive Scheme. Go ahead Lovie lovers attack me but you know it’s true. Schiano got more out of less than Lovie Ever did.
May 1st, 2016 at 11:28 pm
https://realfootballnetwork.com/2016/05/01/podcast-5-teams-with-solid-drafts/
May 1st, 2016 at 11:30 pm
Did any1 else notice that Booger anounce N.Spence as a LB not a DE?
34 any1?
May 1st, 2016 at 11:30 pm
I totally agree. Of course our avg cornerbacks got shredded last year playing 15 yards off the ball with no pass rush
May 1st, 2016 at 11:30 pm
“KICKER…WE TALKING BOUT A KICKER?” if Allen Iverson played football, this is what he would say about our 2nd round kicker that no one seems to stop talking about, can we talk about football players, instead of glorified soccer players, please just for a little while, has anyone noticed the changes the secondaries are starting to get small fast safeties, like Ryan Smith instead of bigger slow guys like Miles Killebrew, the reason is because you can’t hit anybody anymore, safeties are no LBs and corners are now safeties, the only way to defend a pass is pressure the QB or have the speed to knock a pass down or intercept it
May 1st, 2016 at 11:34 pm
Vernon will help alot and I think either Ryan Smith will start at FS or we will get some help at strong safety. Also Hire Jimbo, we won’t be a 3-4 team but I think we will play alot off 3-3-5 with Noah Spence standing up off the edge as a pure rusher. Basically a 4-2-5.
May 1st, 2016 at 11:36 pm
I Love it!!! Kirwin Totally gave props to Vitale and how we actually upgraded our WR corps without it being apparent.
May 1st, 2016 at 11:37 pm
^^^^^
Exactly SB…look at some of the comments veiled as an insult to the past regime tweeted by some of our Bucs…then about two hours later, they just delete them. But I have caught a few..
May 1st, 2016 at 11:39 pm
Yes ma’am Life. The inter-webs are life changing and therefore very corrupt. How are you doing tonight ma’am?
May 1st, 2016 at 11:41 pm
@guzzie
Even though they win and lose games and are (just barely) football players. I agree. It’s an unproductive conversation even though I will defend my boy all day. U know what we have? Two garbage safeties that don’t help our CBs at all. I saw alot of Verner trying to cover for Conte who is helpless in coverage, McDougald is bottom 5 Fs in the league. Keith Tandy is on the field sometimes
May 1st, 2016 at 11:43 pm
I hope 57 is just a camp # for Spence. It’s such a lame @ss # and I want to get his jersey. Also I think he will b just a situational pass rusher for us this year, so we can let him develop a little more.
May 1st, 2016 at 11:44 pm
And I love my ex Bucs players to death but ex players usually make terrible GMs and bad scout’s because of their bias and comparisons to the old days in an ever evolving NFL
May 1st, 2016 at 11:44 pm
LOL SB,
I actually completely agreed with one of his comments the other day too. First. Time. EVER.
May 1st, 2016 at 11:44 pm
Actually King I think McDougald has a year or two of promise………IF…….Mike Smith likes him and lets him do what he does best. Schiano was ready to make Bradley a head hunting Safety but let’s not digress. If we found our new SS then I will be happy. However I have not given up on B. McD and neither has the current regime that didn’t pick him.
May 1st, 2016 at 11:45 pm
unbelievable Says:
May 1st, 2016 at 11:44 pm
LOL SB,
I actually completely agreed with one of his comments the other day too. First. Time. EVER.
………………………
If you are talking about Mike Johnson then I Totally saw that same post you made……….LOL
May 1st, 2016 at 11:45 pm
Hey life,
What kind of stuff we’re they saying on twitter?
May 1st, 2016 at 11:47 pm
Gotta see him in camp but Spence is better than Jack Smith all day long talent wise, even though I love how far Smith has come. It will be and should be an open comeption for playing time, even though they do different things
May 1st, 2016 at 11:53 pm
I guess. I love McDougalds story, his heart and passion. I absolutely understand that he is still very new and raw to the position and has upside to be an avg starter. I just really wish he was better today and better in coverage.
May 1st, 2016 at 11:54 pm
Plus Ryan Smith is just a better athlete. Which, as discussed earlier doesn’t mean anything. But still
May 1st, 2016 at 11:55 pm
Hey man I only got better at building Homes after I built a bunch. 🙂
May 1st, 2016 at 11:55 pm
@SB
There is very little Pablo in me…..I have to let Pablo be himself.
As far as the pick…..I have a wait and see attitude….Barth is from my home town and I know him…..have a signed football from him…..
Barth is a good kicker……but probably not as good all-around as Aguayo will be.
So, as long as our draft picks are improvements on current players…I think it’s a good thing.
I think picks 1-3 certainly are better……perhaps a couple of the last 4 picks are too.
May 1st, 2016 at 11:59 pm
TBBF…I am pretty sure that you know that I totally respect your viewpoints and have for a few years now. I, for one, truly thank you for keeping Pablo alive. I never mean to test you in any way and if Pablo happens to pitch a tent in your back yard and you can let us know what he thinks in between cervesas then I am all for it. I appreciate your professional background when you post.
May 2nd, 2016 at 12:05 am
Fsuking Says:
The balls are the same: brand new, same model regulation properly inflated as the other game balls. The K balls just don’t get used much. It doesn’t take much time, a couple of plays, to get new balls “scuffed” in regular play. K balls don’t get that luxury.
I said 45 years, not 55 years. FTR: I played some pro and coached ST at the Div. I college level.
And I don’t have to Rage Google as you do; that’s for the knowledge-devoid. Not me.
Keep in mind Tom Brady got whacked for messing with balls. Even Brad Johnson admitted after he retired he’d pay under the table to have someone scuff them. Under the table.
I’m not saying it’s not done, nor am I saying new balls aren’t slick because they are. And they can be hard in cooler weather. Like a brick.
I know you’re a young ‘un trying to prove your manly chops. I get that. But take some advice from an over-the-hill oldster: when you’re in a hole, quit digging. Oh, and take the cotton out of your ears and put it in your mouth. Listening is a lost art; the reason “talk is cheap” is because the supply exceeds the demand.
Just sayin’…
May 2nd, 2016 at 12:10 am
A sad buc life, the team is trying to win and get better and all the sissy kicker fans can’t get out of their own way defending the second round kicker pick. Oh, when we’ll they learn, the patriots kicker just might be a high scorer cause the team he’s on actually goes after the win and doesn’t worry about settling for the 3 points. Remember the game last year when our kicker missed 3 in one game? We all killed that kicker and said he sucked, when of you actually look at the game, if we would’ve really went after it, it wouldn’t have been about the kicker missing his supposed chip shots. All I heard for days after that was how the bucs left points out there and it really wasn’t the kickers fault, now everyone things we found the bucs savior in a kicker. Haha….. We’ll never figure it out, especially after we saw joe on here talk about how licht watched the super bowl and really came home to figure out how he could get a better pass rush like the Broncos. What did we get, one DE and a kicker in a prime spot for another d line position. Haha….. And all the sissy’s are upset cause they have to defend their little kicker. It’s funny to see the one comment saying how the patriots have a good kicker so why wouldn’t we? Hellooooo, anybody in there? Look at the winning team. Shouldn’t that tell you why their kicker leads in scoring? If you give your all to score 7 points and come up short, you have the kicker to finish it for at least 3 or the extra point when you actually get a td. But when you settle for just getting in fg range and he misses you blame the kicker? You didn’t deserve the 3 either. This isn’t rocket science folks. The patriots win because of their go after it mentality, not because of their kicker. He’s just one piece. You don’t win, when you play not to lose as is customary with the bucs.
May 2nd, 2016 at 12:15 am
SB with Jameis Says:
May 1st, 2016 at 11:39 pm
Yes ma’am Life. The inter-webs are life changing and therefore very corrupt. How are you doing tonight ma’am?
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I’m doing good sir..lol…just reading all these posts..
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I can’t really say who and what was posted..I do know I got a “like” by a couple of Bucs when I posted something about the regime change..then I notice some other tweets in the line and I just removed mine..
There’s one Buc that kinda has me a bit worried…he seems to be completely left out of all the events other bucs go to together as a group..One in particular event about 7 Bucs went together and this one I am talking about, also went…but he didn’t sit with them…he doesn’t get likes or retweets from his fellow Bucs..and that’s kinda sad to see…
It’s like he’s being isolated…and that’s bothersome to me..( again the mum comes out of me)..These Bucs are my sons ages..
Another one had tweeted about not being a Buc anymore and he had a small rant and then I saw he deleted it..but I caught it..
Since I am lucky to be able to work when I want and if I want to, I have been addicted to Twitter since starting an account just to tweet about Doug Martin getting his contract..now I am an addict..*insert sad face or any other face*..I’ve spent too much time there..lol…
I guess I study the psychology of our Bucs like if they were my kids…
May 2nd, 2016 at 12:17 am
I’m going to post this again and listen at what Koetter has said..it makes sense..
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Again and again…besides the fact they were first rated on their position..
It’s important to know that drafting players, WANTING to be here, WANTING to be a Buc, WANTING to play with Jameis is VERY important to get rid of that cancerous growth that spread into the locker room last year..
There’s the locker room culture that was another position that needed to get fixed. Bring players in who want to be here, have a connection with the great Jameis and want to be a Buc! 3 of the draftess WANTED to play with Bucs..
Let me repeat that..okay here we go… THREE OF THE FOUR DRAFTEES WANTED TO PLAY WITH THE BUCS.
VH3, Roberto, and Vitale and Spence is good pals with Jameis!!!…THEY WANTED TO PLAY HERE!!! Vitale said he knew he was going to be a Buc and held on tight …
Hence why there’s a Buc not on the roster when he was GOOD!
May 2nd, 2016 at 12:18 am
Dang that felt good, reading about something other than an idiot kicker lol thanks guys and gals I can sleep in peace now
May 2nd, 2016 at 12:21 am
New England has built a roster based on players that want to win and would take pay cuts to stay with the team..Licht is building around the same mentality..if we got that mentality, we will win..we WILL win..
If you guys in the locker room that are split into two groups..One excited to play and one excited for direct deposit on Tuesdays only..we will NEVER build a winning culture..
It’s not just about drafting the best players in their position WHICH WE DID..but players that WANTED to play as a TB Buc!!! IS IT TOO HARD to understand????
May 2nd, 2016 at 12:24 am
“PR MAGNATE” Life!!!!
May 2nd, 2016 at 12:28 am
Ok, all fun aside. It is 10:30 here in the mountains. I have people to put to work tomorrow morning and it sux when I am more “weekendish’ than they are.
Peace out Life and FUS and Unbelievable if it is believable for you to still be here 🙂
May 2nd, 2016 at 12:29 am
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oh yeah SB..I want Licht to give me a job as the psychologist on board, or mediator..heck I have raised two decent, hard working boys by myself and built a great business..
So I can help the Bucs..just lordy, Lord don’t put me in the locker room, I am still menopausal with hormones galore..lol!!!!
May 2nd, 2016 at 12:32 am
Another thing to think about when it comes to the Licht regime, not counting the 1st year of free agency because that was all the fighting illinis doing, but unless a Julius Peppers Darelle Revis or Demarcus Ware type player becomes available what’s the point throwing $20-50 million guaranteed at a Michael Johnson Olivier Vernon or Malik Jackson even a Josh Norman type player, draft your own and groom them behind hungry vets, guys that want to stay in the league like Ayers Grimes and DSmith they got to be able to play obviously so happy to be a Bucs fan right now, this feels like our time, every few years the league turns over, and a doormat becomes the new kid on the block, remember how bad Dallas and Green Bay were in the late 80s plus New England’s years of futility, even the Browns had a good run in the 80s, you get your QB you got a chance
May 2nd, 2016 at 12:39 am
Ha yea I was getting some late dinner.
Rest easy SB! I’ll be in the mountains in few weeks and can’t wait!
May 2nd, 2016 at 12:40 am
@cobraboy
I guess when your old and I can only assume senile it really tough to admit you are wrong. You my friend think u know when a simple scroll through internet sources will back everything I said. I didn’t need the Internet to know this stuff, you so clearly do
May 2nd, 2016 at 12:45 am
I learned that pro QBs practice, warm up with for days, can alter the psi within a range and can have people rub down their game balls from the Brady fiasco. I learned that kickers can’t mess with balls until moments before game time from that also while reading around sources. U have learned nothing. But u can’t teach an old dog new tricks
May 2nd, 2016 at 12:49 am
I got an NFL ball sitting in front of me from Christmas that’s still a bit slick. A few plays? I mean come on man get off that horse.
May 2nd, 2016 at 1:07 am
A+
May 2nd, 2016 at 1:14 am
@cobraboy
Last thing… Proof
U agree with that kballs are harder than the balls that are used in the game, u agree that game used balls are worn, softer and wider. U agree that harder balls are harder to kick. Then u say this “There is no difference between a K and regular ball” who are u even talking too? I’m talking to u and u are angrily agreeing with me
May 2nd, 2016 at 1:43 am
They just drafted 3 starters – CB, DE, K
They got an OT and a LB for depth and development to possibly start in a year or 2.
They got a safety and a FB that can both see playing time this year
We shall see how it pans out, BUT, if the first 3 are starters for years to come, they did damn good.
May 2nd, 2016 at 1:50 am
Dave… Have you checked out Dan Vitale on YouTube the guy is catching 20 yard over the shoulder, full speed, covered by corners and safety catches… How this guy lasted till the 6th is beyond me, he loves like a scat back against LBs but he’s 240, and strong 30 reps at the combine, he’s our 2nd round pick, he’s gonna be the Gronk of fullbacks
May 2nd, 2016 at 1:51 am
Looks like a scat back I mean
May 2nd, 2016 at 1:53 am
How many fullbacks look like slot receivers, simple answer, none
May 2nd, 2016 at 1:59 am
No way a linebacker can cover this guy, and he’s to big for a corner and too shifty for a safety, really excited about this pick, I’ve been tooting his horn for a couple months, didn’t even see a highlight of him, just saw his measureables after the combine and knew dirk likes using a fullback, this guy isn’t a fullback he’s a weapon no one else has, they compared him to James Casey, not even close, he’s way more fluid in his routes and a lot faster
May 2nd, 2016 at 3:12 am
Yes they absolutely do deserve a B. The problem with their draft is that they didn’t choose the “Sexy” pick- instead they opted to try and fix some of the other problems and count on the DE they landed in the offseason free agency run as well as their No 2 pick, Spence.
Would we all have liked it if they took a Dt in Rd 1 and a CB or safety in rd 3? yeah, I bet most of us would have…
However, the Bucs have needed good cornerbacks for years and now they have one they control for five years, provided he doesn’t bust- which he shouldn’t.
Then there’s the kicker. If you call yourself a Buc fan and DO NOT acknowledge that they have lost many games in recent years due to really bad kicking then you aren’t paying attention. This guy isn’t A kicker… He’s the best kicker in the history of College Football.
More than that- take a look at the top leaders in scoring for every team in the league. You will always find that a kicker is either at or near the top for each of them. Especially with the new rules for kicking- they are becoming even more important.
How many teams lost games last year because they missed extra points? It was a banner year for misses. Licht took a kicker high and you watch- very soon other teams will have to do the same because of the obvious losses they will incur due to bad kicking.
May 2nd, 2016 at 4:40 am
Looking more lika an A-
http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/ole-miss-football/channing-ward-takes-alternative-path-to-nfl/
May 2nd, 2016 at 7:50 am
Guzzie
Awesome. I hadn’t seen him, just what I read.
May 2nd, 2016 at 8:22 am
If Spence is healthy he has 10 sacks…book it.
May 2nd, 2016 at 9:33 am
Fsuking Says:
They are NOT “harder.” They are “standard”, inflated to proper pressure.
QBs do NOT get to rough-up or alter balls before a game. Balls get “roughed-up” in games.
The K ball thing happened because of cheating by some kickers. Period. All my career I never considered trying to sneak a flat ball into a game. I didn’t care. I kicked or punted whatever was used. We didn’t have K balls.
You keep saying K balls are different. They are decidedly not. They are guaranteed to be normal. They are standard balls in new boxes delivered to the officials before the game. Why? Because some teams and kickers cheated, that’s why.
And game balls don’t get appreciably “fatter” until after extreme use; and even then aren’t especially “fatter.” Chances are those game balls, unless they got wet in games, become “QB” balls in practice the following week. The issue with kickers/punters is that *they* practice with balls that were used as QB balls for a while, scuffed and roughed and used. And often underinflated.
And much of it is mental. Kickers got a reputation for being a bit mental for a reason. I wasn’t a pure K/P; I played another position also, so I never had the same mental quirks many kickers have (punters aren’t as mental.) I kicked what I was given and didn’t give a crap.
When I coached college ST’s & kickers/punters, the balls we used were not that good, very used hand-me-downs marked “K” with magic markers so the wouldn’t get mixed in the QB ball bag. The first thing I’d do as a pre-practice daily routine—we generally had 10 in the K bag—was make sure they were at outdoor temperature and inflated to 14psi at that temperature—1 more than regulation. Why? I wanted them to be rock hard so game balls wouldn’t feel so foreign. I had equipment managers literally polish them with clear shoe polish & buffed to a shine—like a shoe—to simulate the tackiness of a new game ball in game conditions.
You keep arguing points of which you have *zero* personal experience. K balls are no different than game balls, and neither get to be altered by players before a game. They are merely guaranteed new and sequestered as a demonstration of Fair Play, because some played fast and loose with the rules.
Go read the NFL Rule Book, sections Ball Dimensions and Ball Supply.