Riding The First Round Wave
April 1st, 2016
Joe has been a broken record for how the Bucs must draft an edge rusher (or two).
Yes, we are 27 days from the draft, and it happens this month (it can’t come soon enough).
What the Bucs do at No. 9 is anyone’s guess. A lot of folks believe the Bucs may draft a cornerback at No. 9 because the draft is do deep at defensive end. That’s true.
Again, there’s no way to know until the first eight picks shake out. But Joe’s good friend Justin Pawlowski of Scout.com has a novel idea. Perhaps some quarterback-hungry team will want to work a trade with the Bucs and not for Mike Glennon.
@CommishOnline I’m not a member of “just trade down crowd,” but if top 6 non-QBs are gone before #Bucs pick at 9, they should desperately try to trade down
Joe assumes Pawlowski is referring to Memphis quarterback Paxton Lynch still being on the board. He is largely thought to be the No. 3 quarterback in the draft.
But would picking Lynch at No. 9 be a reach? He’s thought to be a late first round or perhaps early second round type of talent.
Then again, people are desperate for quarterbacks. How else can one logically explain trash like Stewart McClown and Ryan Fitzpatrick commanding seven-figures?
April 1st, 2016 at 3:52 am
I agree. Much better in this year’s draft to trade up in round 1. Glennon should be used for bait in a deal that would allow this. Maybe multiple teams would be involved. I can’t believe Ramsey is going 1 in some mocks.
April 1st, 2016 at 3:58 am
Don’t put it past him. He is from the Belicheat family tree you know.
April 1st, 2016 at 4:10 am
I think JP is saying if Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey, Jack, Buckner and Stanley are gone the Bucs should try to trade down. This is how I read it and agree.
I just don’t see much difference in the CBs VHIII, WJIII, Mac Alex and Apple. I like them all but i’d settle for the best CB, DL or S on the board in the trade down spot if it meant picking up a late 2nd or early 3rd round pick.
April 1st, 2016 at 6:29 am
Man it feels good entering a draft without thinking about a franchise QB
April 1st, 2016 at 7:29 am
” trash like Stewart McClown and Ryan Fitzpatrick” ?????
Joe(s): isn’t that pretty damn harsh and really petty of you ? Do you think its okay to call people “trash” ? …. well. that’s pretty damn personal and downright petty of you !!
April 1st, 2016 at 7:39 am
“should desperately try to trade down”
That’s a stupid premise. 1. You don’t do anything DESPERATELY in the draft without getting hosed. 2. Opportunities to trade down are usually non-existent unless you have the #1 pick or a huge name falls to your spot.
Every year there are plenty of folks saying Trade down- Trade down. But the reality is that it almost never happens. It takes 2 to Tango and few if any teams want to give up extra draft picks to move up – especially in a draft like this that is devoid of top end talent and chalk full of good players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
April 1st, 2016 at 8:02 am
Trade the #9 & #39 picks and Glennon to the Jets for MoWilk, the #20 and the #51 picks. That takes care of moving down in the draft, we get a stud D-lineman and a top 20 pick. In essence Wilkerson is our number 9 pick and we still get a pick at 20, the flip-flopping of the second round picks is purely a pot sweetener because in reality, we need d-line help more than they need Glennon.
April 1st, 2016 at 8:19 am
Gotta agree with LargoSamIM on this one Joe. Josh McCown has 13 years in the NFL and Ryan Fitzpatrick has 11. Both have a CAREER average of completing 60% of their passes. May not be sterling in your eyes, but it’s not ‘trash’ either. I’d say that both are decent back-up caliber QBs, just not quality starters.
And Pickgrin hit the nail on the head when he said “You don’t do anything DESPERATELY in the draft without getting hosed.” Bucs are in a good position at #9 to meet one of their 3 top needs: DE, CB or Safety. And if Jack Myles happens to fall to #9 and none of our preferred players are available, I wouldn’t hesitate for a second to draft him.
April 1st, 2016 at 8:28 am
What’s up with the Stewart part of the McClown joke? Lost me on that one.
April 1st, 2016 at 9:10 am
Bosa
Ramsey
Hargreaves
Buckner
April 1st, 2016 at 9:16 am
He wasn’t referencing a qb, I listen to his podcast all the time. He wants Buckner or better in the first, if we can’t get that then trade down definitely not interested in another qb. He’s also practically screaming for N’kimdeche in the second, personally I don’t think we’ll take him…… Even if he’s there in the third.
April 1st, 2016 at 9:23 am
Ive been thinking of trading down too. Bosa probably wont be there, and of course Ramsey wont be there. I normally dont like the scenario of doing so, but if we could find the right compensation, and pick 14-20, thats where value would be. Especially if we went after a WR like Coleman or Doctson. Then we can address DE and maybe a Safety.
April 1st, 2016 at 9:42 am
I’m not sure about this trade down business. After us the only QB needy team is LA so it would make little sense for them to trade up when the QB is going to fall to them. So the writer is then talking about the Bucs trading way back in the first rd I think at that point all of the top CB and DE will be off the board.
April 1st, 2016 at 9:58 am
Again DE is not the strength of this draft. Forcing DE at 9 is called reaching for need and that is what everyone complains about. They will take the Best player there regardless of position or if they can swing a deal and add a 2nd Rd, in for it. I guarentee there are not 32 players with first round grades in this draft. And teams probably all have different boards on who those players might be.
April 1st, 2016 at 10:02 am
No one wants to trade up the same caliber of players are 9-20 the only possible trade up opportunity is if Rams are worried Chicago takes lynch or jets move up ahead of them for the last 1st round QB other than that it’s pointless to trade up
April 1st, 2016 at 10:03 am
I don’t understand the trade down theory…we are not in the position to trade down…we need the BPA at #9…im pretty sure tunsil, ramsey, bosa jack, buckner, stanley, a qb or 2 maybe gone…the BPA would be vhg…Lawson, dodd, Floyd, ogbah, Treadwell are not worthy of the #9 pick…he’s better than all those players…he’s the best at his position and fills a need…he wouldn’t be a reach at all…that’s like if we had an opportunity to get tunsil, the best lt in the draft but we traded down to get the 2nd best lt in the draft…why not just take the best player at his position…the only way I say trade down is if all those players including vhg is gone…GO BUCS!!!
April 1st, 2016 at 10:19 am
I think what he’s saying is if you can’t get one of the Top 6 non-quarterbacks, you should try to move back…those top 6 would be Bosa, Buckner, Ramsey, Tunsil, Stanley, and Jack….hopefully somebody would want to come up and get Hargreaves. The talent disparity becomes very small at that point and you could get just as good of value by moving down and acquiring another pick later in the draft.
April 1st, 2016 at 10:45 am
Still keeping my fingers crossed for Jalen Ramsey @ 9…
Ramsey could potentially fall in our laps IF the first 8 names called (in no particular order) are Tunsil, Weintz, Bosa, Buckner, Jack, Stanley, Goff, and Elliott…
Imho, Franchise caliber QB’s, freakish pass-rushers, and talented offensive linemen hold more value than DB’s…In Elliott’s case, I think he can come in and make an instant impact for a team like Philly, similar to what Gurley did last year for the Rams…If this scenario plays out we could get the best DB in this draft without giving up anything…
April 1st, 2016 at 11:43 am
If you are gonna trade down in this NFl? You’d better offer one hellava enticement to somebody. Glennon is not that enticement people. The best we can hope for Glennon is a 4th or 5th rd pick.
April 1st, 2016 at 12:13 pm
I have faith in the Licht House….Flash Licht?
April 1st, 2016 at 12:45 pm
If all of the top 6 non-QBs are gone before #Bucs pick at 9, try to trade down to a team that needs a QB. Memphis quarterback Paxton Lynch to move back. I say if teams are heming and hawing just draft Lynch and use him as bait for either the Rams Jets or Denver? If those top six non-QB are gone here is who we should draft –
TOP SIX NON-QB
Tunsil
Bosa
Ramsey
Jack
Stanley
Hargreaves
TOP ARE GONE (trade down for)
Leonard Floyd
Noah Spence
Robert Nkemdiche
Andrew Billings
Sheldon Rankins
There are reports linking Andrew Billings to the Bucs.
April 1st, 2016 at 3:57 pm
I don’t get people wanting the Bucs to draft Buckner. He is gonna be either a DE n a 3-4 or a DT n a 4-3. And Bosa is a one trick pony, which will not work very well in the NFL. If we are going to reach for a DE at #9 I would go after Ogbah. He has multiple years of success and had multiple moves in his arsenal. Also, he is a true DE.
All that said. I personally wouldn’t reach for anybody at #9. Take the BPA no matter the position they play. I love VH3 but if Stanley falls I would be all over it. Another guy I would look at if VH3, Stanley, or Jack are gone is Jaylon Smith from Notre Dame. He would be a top 3 pick if not for his injury. He is already squatting and leg pressing massive weight. Him paired with LVD and Kwon would easily give us the best LB combo in the league hands down.
April 1st, 2016 at 3:59 pm
Thank you zilla for not including Buckner in your top 6. He isn’t even in my top 10. Bosa isn’t in my 10 either but I can understand why you put him there.
April 2nd, 2016 at 12:00 pm
First, @Mike Johnson,
I think you’re thinking of if we’re trying to trade up, not down. I don’t think we should get rid of Glennon anyways.
@ Funky Munkey,
I almost agree with everything you have to say, with the Bosa as the exception. “One trick pony” yes I would agree, he’s great at rushing the passer and really not anything else, ok, but look at how many people in the NFL make big time money just being able to do this one trick well. It’s because not very many out there do it to the type of level he can. Also what really separates him from the rest is his endless motor, the guy does not quit, that in my opinion is the type of guys you want on a team. Talent aside, effort would be one of the top things I look for in a persons game. Anyway, you pretty much nailed the rest, Buckner, equals OVERRATED! And we don’t need a guy that plays a 3-4 DE. We play a 4-3, so let’s hope we focus on guys that fit that position for DE. Lastly, VHIII I love this guy as well. Plays hard as heck and has all the talent you look for in a CB. I watched his game tape, watched him in the combine, and watched his pro day. This man, if he’s there is a must draft, and I’ll be honest, I’d take him over Ramsey. Won’t get into why because many of you will probably disagree with me, but that’s just my opinion on that.