Rams-Titans Blockbuster Helps & Hurts Bucs
April 14th, 2016
Falling?
There’s lots of good Bucs news between the lines of this morning’s massive Rams-Titans trade.
If you missed it, Tennessee coughed up its No. 1 overall pick this year, along with their fourth- and sixth-round picks, to Los Angeles for the following draft picks: No. 15, No. 43 and No. 45 overall in 2016, plus the Rams’ first-round and third-round picks in 2017.
(Joe sincerely hopes all the clowns who constantly said a team would have to give up an RGIII ransom to move up high into the first round will finally shut up. Past trades have very little bearing on prospective trades. A deal is always about what works for each team in the moment.)
The great news for Bucs fans is that it’s obvious the Rams made the deal to draft a franchise quarterback. And any quarterback taken before Tampa Bay picks at No. 9 is a good thing.
The Rams at No. 1 now puts more pressure on quarterback-needy teams. Not only does it take a QB off the board, it lets teams know the quarterback market in the draft is wild again. And it helps teams to start thinking they could get leapfrogged again next year so they might want to act now.
What do the Browns, 49ers and Eagles do? Who might reach and help the Bucs?
Does Joey Bosa somehow trickle down to No 9? Or far enough for the Bucs to trade up without giving up much?
One negative to today’s trade is the inevitable Rams dump of quarterback Nick Foles, who is a more attractive commodity than Mike Glennon. Foles on the market won’t help Tampa Bay move Glennon.
April 14th, 2016 at 9:52 am
Rams – Wentz
Browns Tunsil
Chargers – Ramsey
Cowboys -Bosa
Jags -Mack
Ravens – Bosa
49ers – Goff
Eagles – Elliot
Bucs – Stanley
April 14th, 2016 at 9:52 am
Joe you should accept now that Mike Glennon will not be traded. The windows is now almost close.
April 14th, 2016 at 9:54 am
@duthsty rhothdes Is there two Bosa in the drafts or will he divide himself between two teams ?
April 14th, 2016 at 9:55 am
It is just shocking to see what the price tag is of the first overall pick and the lasting ramifications to obtain it!!! We should fell lucky that we only had to pay with 2 years of the lovie fiasco ( as his own players called it)!!!!!!
April 14th, 2016 at 9:55 am
This is wonderful news for the Bucs. Thank goodness we have the best QB depth in the NFL.
Great teams build through the draft. Now that the Rams are all set to go QB at #1, it could create the need for other teams in the first 8 picks to draft a QB (Browns, 49ers, Eagles). Our dream scenario would be three QBs being drafted before the Bucs pick ninth.
Even if two QBs have been drafted by pick number nine, it could give the Bucs an opportunity to trade back for more picks if their guy isn’t there.
IMHO, I am hoping for the opportunity to draft the best player available at nine, regardless of position.
Laremy Tunsil, Joey Bosa, DeForest Buckner, Ronnie Stanley, Ezekiel Elliot, Myles Jack, or Jalen Ramsey would all be great picks. One of those would be available at #9 if at least two QBs are drafted before we pick.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:00 am
First I’ve heard of this trade. Rams going big going back to LA. Sounds like a blockbuster deal.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:00 am
@joeheldel wrong b, should have been buckner to ravens…..still want the bucs to go get Nkmdiche dont think they will stretch that though
April 14th, 2016 at 10:02 am
@steveK I like your thinking and the trading back and I am big on getting Nkmdiche with first pick and then try for joseph in round 2 if available
April 14th, 2016 at 10:04 am
To add to my previous post regarding Glennon To Bronco’s IF Kaepernick not traded. IF BOZA drops!!!!
April 14th, 2016 at 10:05 am
I’m with you SteveK. I would love to see us somehow wrangle Jalen Ramsey outta there, but no way will he drop down to #9. Bosa scares me, I could see him being a bust. I’d much rather have Buckner even if he’s more of a 3-4 guy.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:05 am
BOSA, sorry
April 14th, 2016 at 10:06 am
The MOBB lives on
Go Bucs!!
April 14th, 2016 at 10:07 am
I really don’t really think this trade pushes either Buckner, Ramsey, or Bosa (in my order of preference) down to the Bucs as they will all be gone by pick 9. However it sure looks like th cost to move up to grab one of those 3 just got a lot cheaper because they’ve probably all dropped at least a slot or two lower on the board.
Hoping one other team below 9 that desperately needs a QB now jumps ahead of the Bucs and grabbing one of these 3 may very well become a reality instead of a long shot.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:10 am
Nick Foles is not a more attractive option than Glennon…did you see Foles last year? Atrocious. Lost his job to Case Keenum, and not because his team was chasing the #1 pick, but because he was legitimately worse than Case Keenum…who is so good that his team just traded their future to draft a quarterback from North Dakota State.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:11 am
I’d take Glennon over Foles.
We’ll see.
Expect a lot of “I told you so’s” from Howard if Glennon turns out to be the hotter commodity.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:12 am
BOSA is going 4th, 5th or 6th. Those teams will not pass unless Mack falls
April 14th, 2016 at 10:14 am
Two 1st Round Picks
Two 2nd Round Picks
Two 3rd Round Picks
Is still a decent haul Joe
April 14th, 2016 at 10:17 am
Maybe I’m wrong, but I just don’t see the Bucs taking an OT with #9. How this scenario has even factored into the conversation is a little perplexing. Ayers is NOT a long-term solution at DE, so there’s a need. Behind VJax and Evans we’re thin at WR, so a need. DBs aren’t completely established either.
I don’t know! I’m thinking DE with #9 and then Tyler Boyd with 2nd rd.
This trade does minimize Glennon’s value a little. Hey, no big deal, he’ll be our back-up this year. I’m OK with that.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:17 am
I hope Tennessee really likes Stanley and wants to move up and gives us a couple those picks or at least a 2nd, Licht has some good friends with Pats (11 picks) and Titans (6 top 76), come on down mr Belicheck and Mr Robinson, your the next contestant on let’s make a deal
April 14th, 2016 at 10:18 am
@LuvmyBucs
Here is a question, Would the Rams be better giving up all that for the top drafted QB this year, Or trading just a third and a pick in the 2017 based on performance for MG8 and surround him with a very talented team????
April 14th, 2016 at 10:19 am
Bosa to us! yes
April 14th, 2016 at 10:21 am
Well, the Titans will still be looking for OT help and could trade up for Tunsil or even Stanley. I think Tunsil will still go top 5-7, but if Stanlet is still there at 9, I hope Licht works out a great deal with his old work buddy in a trade back and we somehow get their 2nd and one of their 3rds. We’d be picking 15th but have 2 2nds and 2 3rds to work some magic with.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:24 am
Is it draft day yet?!!!
April 14th, 2016 at 10:25 am
Would be nice to trade Glennon to Browns and swap 1st rounders and grab Ramsey.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:26 am
Rams – Wentz
Browns – Goff
Chargers – Tunsil
Cowboys – Bosa
Jags – Mack
Ravens – Ramsey
49ers – Lynch
Eagles – Elliot
Bucs – Stanley/Conklin
April 14th, 2016 at 10:26 am
Yea the OT projection is one of the dumber things I have heard. Give me someone on defense, anyone!
April 14th, 2016 at 10:30 am
Yeah because we have such a stellar Oline now.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:33 am
Bucsfanman
Not really – As you know both of our right Tackles are getting a little long in the tooth.
Demar Dotson (31) In October
Gosder Cherilus (32) In June
Before Demar Dotson unfortunate knee injury – which limited him to only 3 games in 2015. He was in contract dispute with the brass.
Gosder Cherilus though he played decent for half the season. His play tailed off in the 2nd half of the season.
So once again – If you would like to add a blue chip prospect.
Like Conklin or Stanley – (giving you two bookend tackles) – U do it.
Apparently Kevin Pamphile is not the answer at either tackle position, because they would’ve never drafted Donovan Smith or signed Gosder Cherilus.
So what’s next after this season
Both Dotson & Cherilus will be free agents – do you resign them?
With both of them going into the 2017 – turning 32 & 33?
Not a sound investment strategy.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:34 am
@Vapor- I’m less concerned with the o-line than I am about d-line, #no double-digit sacks!
I don’t think that it was a coincidence that Dougie was the 2nd leading rusher in the league.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:34 am
Buckner over OT any day of the week
April 14th, 2016 at 10:38 am
Again Bill Polian words are Bosa is not a top ten talent.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:38 am
Props to Robinson for pulling the trigger. They’ve already got their franchise qb. Great move.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:39 am
@LUV- #9 seems steep with so many other concerns. Can you overlook your points? No, eventually you have to kick the tires. I get your point but how long do you wait to draft a capable DE or another play-maker?
Like I said, I could be wrong and that’s exactly where they are looking. It’s not the worst thing that could happen!
April 14th, 2016 at 10:40 am
With our new and improved secondary we will see more sacks.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:45 am
That will certainly help Vapor. Still think there is a need there though.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:47 am
I still think trade down is our best option. I keep reading how deep this draft is, but I feel like its full of starters but very few stars. Everyone mocked at #9 feels like a reach. So unless one of the top 5 players fall, id rather pick up an extra pick and try to get another starter in round 2 or 3
April 14th, 2016 at 10:48 am
Who is Mack? Are you all referring to Mackensie Alexander? Miles Jack?
April 14th, 2016 at 10:50 am
In 2013 the Philadelphia Eagles had one of the premier LT’s in the league
LT – Jason Peters
8-time Pro Bowler & 2-time First-Team All-Pro
Note: Going into the season he sign a 4yr extension for $41 million
Yet they drafted the RT Lane Johnson (4th overall). Johnson went on that year to play 99% of the snaps for playoff team that year. Now considered by many to be one of the better young tackles in the league.
Same could said for Dallas when they drafted Tyrone Smith (9th Overall)
to play RT. He dominated that year at RT – Most felt he should’ve made the Pro Bowl that year.
Then there’s the Cincinnati Bengals – Remember they drafted Andre Smith (6th overall) to play RT. Even though his 1st two season were injury redden.
Both in 2012,2013 he was snubbed a Pro Bowl Birth. He became one of the more dominate run Blockers in the league.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:50 am
I think this helps the bucs a lot. I don’t think our draft position matches up well we our position needs without reaching or picking up a non-position of need. I think Jon robinson with the 15th Pick now also puts his organization out of the running for a top Offensive tackle prospect that they need to protect Mariota.
Clearly Robinson and Licht have a long history.
I see the Bucs trading down to 15 and picking up one of the Titans 2nd Round Picks, maybe another late round pick or a late round swap picks… Bucs move up. That would depend on which 2nd round pick the titans would give up.
That would put us in a position to get 3 of the top 45 players in the draft, and a pass rusher. Also helps Tennessee get a Top Offensive Tackle in Stanley at 9. It would have to be a in draft swap of picks to assure the Titans Stanley was there.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:55 am
This trade stinks of desperation by Jeff Fisher. I know the Rams want to sell seats but I also think Fisher is in a playoffs of fired scenario. This deal will set this team back in the long run. Also I’m sorry bet Wentz is a reach @ #1. He has never seen a defensive player like the NFL has. He hasn’t been seen as the unanimous best QB in this draft like Luck or any of the other “sure” QBs to come in the league.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:55 am
1 Wentz
2 Goff
3 Ramsey
4 to Bucs for 9 &Glennon?
April 14th, 2016 at 10:57 am
Per:Former NFL Scout
You now need two bookend tackles now days.
Projection
Donovan Smith | Kevin Pamphile
J.R. Sweezy | Antoine Everett
Joe Hawley | Evan Smith
Ali Marpet | Garrett Gilkey
Jack Conklin | Demar Dotson
April 14th, 2016 at 10:58 am
No way should you trade to number 1
They gave away the two 1sts, 2 seconds and a third??? Not worth it.
What QB in this draft seems worth that?
Anyway, helps the Bucs. But JOE!!!!!!! Please stop with the Bosa talk. The guy is not a pass rusher.
The only way it helps is other DEs may be available or some team may want to trade up to get him and the Bucs get a couple more picks.
As far as that goes TRADE GLENNON already before the market dries up.
April 14th, 2016 at 10:59 am
power vapor like your ideas….im cool with a trade down i think that licht wants NKMDICHE AND WILL TRADE PICKS AWAY
April 14th, 2016 at 10:59 am
Trade to 15th and land Floyd or Lawson, or even Dodd. Move back into the first for WR Doctson, Karl Joseph in the 2nd…..you want O line? Spencer Drango in the 4th. I know he’s projected to be a guard, but try him at RT and just see.
April 14th, 2016 at 11:01 am
Oh … And can we pleeeeease stop with the talk of the Bucs taking an OLineman in round 1.
I have $20 to anyone and everyone that says they do not take one in round 1. It is idiotic.
They need DE and DB and those two positions are loaded.
April 14th, 2016 at 11:06 am
The other day Simms/Lefkoe did an amazing podcast draft special
Lefkoe goes I think Ramsey or Bosa can fall… This is the exact scenario predicted
@joe I only been following and commenting since last offseason but I’m thinking Jon Robinson was better than we knew and that I finally understand your adversity to mock drafts…
The floodgates have just opened we either go for Ramsey or Myles Jack… This is it… We get Ramsey and we talking a core of Ramsey/Bosa, McCoy, ALexander, David, Grimes… We’d have an impact player at every level of the defense
Btw I’m thinking Myles Jack can play some some FS
April 14th, 2016 at 11:06 am
One has to wonder,,,, if the 2015 schedule was not historically soft,,,, was that to be The Bucs #1 overall pick to be traded????
April 14th, 2016 at 11:08 am
And for everyone saying this trade is desperation on the Rams part… You ain’t in a top 5 media city…
April 14th, 2016 at 11:08 am
It’s idiotic to not consider a tackle at 9. Demar Dotson and Gosder both have only a few years left, and are not close to elite. Taking a tackle allows you to set your protection for the franchise player for a decade to come.
Smith might be actually better suited for RT. Here’s Mayock draft assessment of Smith last year:
“He was a left tackle at Penn State, but he’s a prototype right tackle.”
Reaching for a specific position is why Dominik is nothing more that a guy with good hair on TV.
April 14th, 2016 at 11:12 am
MadMax
U know I a big fan of Spencer Drango. But he’s not on the same level as Conklin or Stanley. Huge drop off in talent after them two. Especially with Decker’s injury concerns.
Now – I don’t see that big of a difference between 1st or 2nd round projected Defensive Ends or Defensive Tackles.
April 14th, 2016 at 11:13 am
*U know I’m a big fan of Spencer Drango.
April 14th, 2016 at 11:17 am
Conklin got that beast in him. Go back and watch dudes quick set and punch.
He mauls everybody he plays bruh. Dudes an enforcer – but technically sound at the same time. Great temperament for the position
April 14th, 2016 at 11:17 am
I feel you Luv, and if Licht and Koetter do want to go ahead and have this O line jelling for the next 5-10 years, then thats the way to do it. But we also have next years draft. I think RT is serviceable for now. D and WR are more important from this year’s draft IMO. But I wont hate a pick of either Stanley or Conklin. Actually Conklin could still be there if we trade back to 15th, and I’d be cool as all get out with it then.
April 14th, 2016 at 11:25 am
MadMax
New York Media is Salivating for them to draft Conklin. Same for the New Orleans and Miami. Go back and watch his film over the last 3years against Top Tier Talent.
He dominates them all. They only lined Bosa up against him a few times – and he smacked him around. Then add the kids back story as a walk on – and his work ethic. Great Prospect!
U know I’m defensive dude bruh. But I respects this kids game – in the trenches.
April 14th, 2016 at 11:49 am
Yeah, I forgot they’re needing O line too. Hmmmm.
April 14th, 2016 at 11:55 am
oh god bosa would be a mistake
April 14th, 2016 at 12:09 pm
@ TheRealist: why can’t you keep LOVIE’S (name) off your lips, he’s at Illinois, take a trip to the mid-west, he probably would love to see you!!
April 14th, 2016 at 12:15 pm
@Bucsfanman-
DE is greatest need, no doubt, but you can’t force that pick in the first round if the value does not align. Outside of Buckner, none of the DEs excites me as an early 1st rounder – too many question marks. Even Buckner may not be the type of DE the Bucs are looking for. Get ready to not draft a DE in round one unless there’s a trade down.
Not interested in Bosa.
April 14th, 2016 at 12:20 pm
Fall Bosa fall.
Ramsey? I think he’s gone in the first 5 picks no matter what the team picking him needs, so talking about Ramsey is teasing. I almost started to drool.
April 14th, 2016 at 12:26 pm
@salish- Yeah, I’m not jumping up and down over the prospects at DE. It’s always a crap-shoot at DE. My co-worker has somewhat convinced me that the Bucs will draft WR at #9.
What is the consensus on drafting WR at #9?
If we’re talking OT, we might as well throw out WR!
April 14th, 2016 at 12:29 pm
Ogbah for the win.
April 14th, 2016 at 1:07 pm
Feelthepower they’ll come around to this kid once he’s in the uniform and devastating tackles enroute to demolishing QBs. I here talk about this guy and that guy. Seems to me Ogbah is the only one that’s been to one Bucc place for visit. We’ll see it play out here shortly tho.
April 14th, 2016 at 1:12 pm
DE and DB
Foolish if they don’t address These in the first 3 rounds.
Everyone knows they need these yet suddenly people are talking OL?!?
OL won’t go until mid rounds. Foolish of taken in round 1.
April 14th, 2016 at 1:13 pm
I don’t see how this trade effects the bucs…2 qbs will be taken along with tunsil, ramsey, bosa, jack, buckner,stanley….eagles need a rb so they way draft Elliott which would leave one of the names I mentioned along with vhg….im thinking either Stanley or bosa will be there along with vhg at #9…my first choice would be to draft bosa followed by Stanley and vhg…GO BUCS!!!
April 14th, 2016 at 1:33 pm
I can’t believe the rams traded their future away for an average QB. None of the incoming draftee QBs are worth a high first round pick.
2 firsts
2 seconds
2 thirds
For
1 first
1 4th
1 6th.
Not even close to a logical trade. I thought the rams were geniuses for doing the trade with the redskins. This one is even worse because the QBs in this class are not even top prospects. In the past 5 years they don’t even grade as a top 10 qb prospect. Winston is graded head over heels better then wentz.
Lolrams fisher ruining another franchise.
April 14th, 2016 at 2:18 pm
This is going to end up getting the Bucs a trade deal for Glennon I’d guess.
April 14th, 2016 at 2:22 pm
Dave Says
“Oh … And can we pleeeeease stop with the talk of the Bucs taking an OLineman in round 1.
I have $20 to anyone and everyone that says they do not take one in round 1. It is idiotic.”
No it’s not. I don’t gamble, but I wouldn’t take the best anyway. If they took a stud RT, the oline would be finished and set for a decade.
April 14th, 2016 at 2:27 pm
What I judge the chances of the Bucs taking each different position with their first pick. People are welcome to disagree or post their own chances.
DE 92%
WR 68%
RT 60%
CB 56%
TE 32%
LB 28%
S 22%
DT 14%
RB 11%
C 4%
K 1%
P 1%
FB 1%
OG .5%
April 14th, 2016 at 2:27 pm
A RIGHT tackle? With the 9 th overall pick??
Lol.
Dotson was an unrestricted free agent.
Thats were you get Right tackles!!
Lol
We need
1) DE
1a)CB
3) Safety
4)DT
5) Wr
6) CB
7)DE
8) RT
9)center
All desperately needed.
Pamphile can take over RT- if needed
April 14th, 2016 at 2:28 pm
RB is only so high because of the possibility of a kick returning RB…though I highly doubt that would happen in round 1.
April 14th, 2016 at 2:34 pm
Capt. Tim Says:
We need
1) DE
1a)CB
3) Safety
4)DT
5) Wr
6) CB
7)DE
8) RT
9)center
1) DE – BIGGEST NEED
1a)CB – We’ll take one later…like 3rd or 4th round
3) Safety – Won’t happen in rounds 1-3
4)DT – Won’t happen at all. GMC is going nowhere and we have the other spot filled with two options…that is certainly enough to get us through one year.
5) Wr – A LIKELY possibility give VJ’s age.
6) CB – We won’t take two, unless one is a returner guy
7)DE – Already mentioned, but I can see us taking two.
8) RT – Among the top 4 needs of the team…DE, WR, RT, CB
9)center – Hawley has already filled this role and he is very good at it. We don’t need him replaced.
April 14th, 2016 at 2:50 pm
Percentages?! We’re using percentages?!
Here’s my “wishlist” in order (sans the percentiles!)
DE- Which one?
WR- Tyler Boyd
CB- Kendall Fuller in later rounds/Cyrus Jones is a kick returner
Stock the roster with good talent in between.
April 14th, 2016 at 3:15 pm
Then you hear the that Jack Conklin has been working with –
Arguably the Greatest Offensive Line Coach in NFL History – Hudson Houck
Conklin wants to use the Combine to show that he is more than capable of playing left tackle. He said that he has been doing a lot of “speed work and fast twitch stuff.” Conklin is confident that training with Hudson Houck, a long-time NFL offensive line coach that developed the dominant Dallas Cowboys offensive lines in the1990s.
Per: T Jack Conklin
Yeah I’m sold
Daniel Jeremiah on Jack Conklin (NFL COMBINE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI-fBQI9qT0
April 14th, 2016 at 4:18 pm
Makes no difference. If Buckner is there at 9? We’d better grab him..quick!
April 14th, 2016 at 4:33 pm
Mike Johnson
Go Back and watch the tape Conklin smacked Buckner around like a redhead step child – for 4 quarters.
Jack Conklin (Michigan State) vs. Oregon (2015)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUrV2cgedtY
April 14th, 2016 at 8:52 pm
i don’t think bosa is going at 9 because we know one qb will be drafted now in the top 9 for sure. he is top 3 , possibly top 4 now ….
April 14th, 2016 at 9:59 pm
Here’s a question, has Oregon produced a single bad a$$ over the last 10 seasons??? Someone please fill me in. That program and its gimmicky style produces softness.
April 18th, 2016 at 12:02 am
Nole- we completely agree.
I should not be so public about it considering our long-standing disrespect.
Oregon football players in the pros historically wash out with regularity. I’d be surprised after ASJ and if Licht looks at west cost talent. Guessing he is dialed in on Hargraves
April 18th, 2016 at 6:32 pm
I have a premonition that the franchise Jameis Winston will suffer an injury in late October / early November. At that time the Mike Glennon mob will become rabid as the North Carolina Cannon throws for 3000 yards, 18 TD’s and 3 INT’s. Write it down, so speaketh the Ghost of Schiano.