“Perfect Fit” Or “Red Flag?”
April 8th, 2016
Diverse opinions
NFL executives are talking about Mike Glennon.
Who they’re talking to is strong-minded, well-plugged-in NFL.com writer and radio and TV talent Adam Schein.
Schein hammered away on his keyboard for the league website and shared his insider chats about Glennon. What he got was mixed bag of strong support, skepticism and backhanded compliments.
So, this week, I started posing questions about Glennon to various power brokers across the NFL.
One NFL general manager said, “Glennon is the perfect fit for the Jets. Good arm. Good fit in [Chan] Gailey’s offense. Younger and better than [Ryan] Fitzpatrick.”
Another GM said, “I hope he doesn’t get traded into my division.”
One personnel director said, “I don’t know. He couldn’t play in front of Josh McCown. That’s a red flag.”
A third general manager disagreed completely: “If you gave me a choice of Ryan Tannehill or Mike Glennon, give me Mike Glennon. He’s smart. He has a great reputation as a worker. He’s a middle-of-the-pack starter in the NFL.
There’s more via the link above.
Yes, Joe really laughed out loud about the “red flag” assessment. Fair point, though it’s clouded by the Bucs’ obvious Chase For Jameis and desire to win that chase.
Joe agrees that Glennon is a capable NFL starter, when compared to the market. Glennon might be better than five or six starters out there.
That should be enough for Jason Licht to be smart and at least score a quality fourth-round pick later this month, or trade Glennon as part of a trade-up maneuver.
April 8th, 2016 at 3:36 pm
3rd round pick I hope !
April 8th, 2016 at 3:38 pm
Not only that but McCown is a former bear and for our former HC it was a huge quality, even better than the talent !
April 8th, 2016 at 3:40 pm
4th Rd Max. Best deal would be using Glennon in a package type deal. 8 is irrelevant to bucs future let’s hope what they get in return is relevant
April 8th, 2016 at 3:51 pm
Bring on the
J…. E…… T……. S……
We want MO… We Want MO….. We Want MO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Would MG not look as good as ever in a Jets uniform!!!!
MO=#9 pick…. We will sign him for 5 years and “The Red Siege” will began!!!!
April 8th, 2016 at 3:53 pm
Jdeloxley…think you are correct…he wanted a guy that he had confidence in, experience with, a Vet that could adjust to the new O system as rapidly as possible. I really don’t see his choice to start McCown as a positive or negative reflection on Glennon…still…would love to see us get a high third round pick or using him to move into another 1st round or 2 round pick.
April 8th, 2016 at 3:55 pm
Of course I was talking about moving up into another 1st or 2nd round pick from our current 2nd or 3rd.
April 8th, 2016 at 3:56 pm
If a 4th round pick winds up being the best offer (which is hard to believe) Bucs might as well just hang onto Glennon for this year and either try to get him to sign an extension contract or hope we get at least a 4th or 5th round compensatory pick when he leaves.
April 8th, 2016 at 4:00 pm
Teams spend 4th Rd picks on guys who might not make the team. There’s teams who’ll spend a 4th Rd pick on a kicker this draft. You telling me you’re so pessimistic that you don’t think a starting QB In this league isn’t worth more? Paxton lynch might not even play and a team will spend a 1st Rd on that guy. Glennon game ready now. 16 game starter. Yall even agree he wouldn’t even be the worst starter. You cant play in the NFL without a QB and we have one of the only 30 men who can do it well.
Litch can do much better than a 4th.
April 8th, 2016 at 4:05 pm
I say we use Glennon to trade up all the way to #1 if we can. surrender our 1st and 2nd round picks and select J. Ramsey(FSU) Moving up for him would be well worth it. We could now cover K. Benjamin and Julio Jones with no problem. We could still get a quality DT or DE in the 3rd and 4th round. Grab the DE from Stoney Brook in the 5th and then a WR and CB with the 2 6th round picks.
April 8th, 2016 at 4:09 pm
i agree tmaxcon — no way we get more than a 4th for him and I think even that is a big stretch
April 8th, 2016 at 4:12 pm
Glennon is better than McCown. Lovie wanted his former player to start and that’s how we got Jameis.
April 8th, 2016 at 4:19 pm
It’s a joke that Glennon couldn’t start in front of McCown…….that was the big question mark……why didn’t he……we wouldn’t have Jameis if he did….stubborn Lovie Smith saw to that.
April 8th, 2016 at 4:23 pm
Trade Glennon to the CFL
…..just kidding
April 8th, 2016 at 4:25 pm
Here we have the illogical arguments again…
One the one hand….”Glennon isn’t worth any more than a mid to low draft pick…no market for him”
On the other….”Glennon won’t resign because he can start somewhere else and cash in on FA next year.”
Makes no sense to me.
April 8th, 2016 at 4:26 pm
What Luther just said. “Its as simple as that”..
April 8th, 2016 at 4:31 pm
Real Quick …. How many 1st round QB picks can you name that were complete & utter BUSTS ??? How about 2nd round QB picks that were BUSTS ?
Point being, there are no guarantees that a 1st or 2nd round pick will net you a quality starter, or quality back-up for that matter. If you swung & missed several times in the past (Cleveland, Jets) perhaps it makes more since to you to cut your losses & give up a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Glennon ? At least you know he can be a starter, keep you in games ….
And another thing that irks me, who’s to say that Schiano (the defensive minded coach who wanted to protect the ball at all costs) didn’t grille it into Glennon’s head to be ‘Captain Checkdown’ play it safe ?
April 8th, 2016 at 4:36 pm
3rd round minimum, or I don’t make the deal. Maybe if Licht can put together another draft like last year I would settle for less, but I want to see more first.
April 8th, 2016 at 4:40 pm
Imho a 3rd round pick at best is what we’ll get for Glennon…
Not only the Jets, I think Mike Glennon would be the “perfect fit” in a place like Cleveland (had they not signed RG3)…Just think..the O-line is already solid…they could trade for Glennon, bring Josh Gordon back, you got Barnaige at TE, draft Ezekiel Elliott…Hello! that should be a good AFC North offense…Hopefully Licht, can make something happen
April 8th, 2016 at 5:09 pm
“Glennon might be better than five or six starters out there”….I’m not sure about that, Joe…that would mean he is as good as Winston !
April 8th, 2016 at 5:11 pm
Bucs First and Glennon for Cleveland’s First
Or
Bucs First and Glennon for Cowboy’s First
April 8th, 2016 at 5:11 pm
Correct Joe McCown WAS the tank. YW.
April 8th, 2016 at 5:35 pm
Glennon is worth at least what was given for him. Third round pick or better or no deal. 4th round pick, GTFOOH!
April 8th, 2016 at 5:41 pm
Its really going to suck when we see Glennon wearing another uniform leading his team to a playoff berth year after year knowing we just let another good player go for absolutely nothing….or very little.
Yeah Im glad Winston is here but lets all hope his inaccurate throws are brought down this season.
I honestly believe that Koetter is not 100% sold on Winston and wants to hang onto Glennon JUST IN CASE Winston either gets hurt or doesn’t cut it. I don’t think that will happen but it’s possible.
April 8th, 2016 at 5:45 pm
I would probably agree that Glennon could be better than the current QBs on roster for maybe 4 teams.
Broncos, Maybe, but not likely better than Sanchez.
Browns, rg3 or Glennon… Tough call. Rg3 can be dangerous if healthy and in the right offense.
Jets, geno smith and Fitzpatrick, I’m not sure if Glennon is better than either of those guys, but possibly.
9ers, is kap gone yet? And Blaine gabbert. Glennon would be in a stiff competition with either qb. Could win, could lose.
The moral of the story is that Glennon isn’t for sure better than any projected starting qb in this league. He is a risk. Just like a draft pick. Glennon hasn’t seen the field in a year and a half. And the tape he does have, is very inconsistent. His ceiling is a middle of the road qb. Maybe at some point in his career he could break the top 20. But I know I would not want to settle for a below average qb. If I were a GM, I would draft a QB over trade for Glennon. Rookies are cheaper, and may have a higher ceiling. (Not sure how well the new crop of QBs are projected). for my money, and draft picks, Glennon is a guy you bring in to compete for a job. And that is why you don’t trade a top 100 pick for him, and you don’t give him a big contract.
April 8th, 2016 at 5:56 pm
See Joe, that’s your nemesis right there: Talking heads who talk without watching games. “Red flag” indeed.
#Cannon/MGM
April 8th, 2016 at 5:59 pm
Trade Pick #9 and Mike Glennon to the Jets for Pick #20, #51, #83 and a 3rd Pick in 2017. Equates to Glennon being a high 3rd rnd in 2017.
April 8th, 2016 at 6:13 pm
I do not see anyone trading a second or third round draft pick for Glennon during or before the draft. Yes he could be a starter in this league and there is teams needing one now, but no team that needs one now that is looking to draft a qb in the first two rounds is going to waste another pick on Glennon in the same draft. That would be two qb taken within 4 rounds even if we get a fourth for him. Also who would risk a 3rd or earlier on a qb that if he does well, could go somewhere else next year looking for a payday or cost you 10 mil plus after to resign him? Glennon will have to be part of an package deal to move up (the other team isnt wasting a pick on him) or he will get traded during preseason for a pick next year. This is just my guessing but what do I know.
April 8th, 2016 at 6:16 pm
Joehelldeloxley Says
“Not only that but McCown is a former bear and for our former HC it was a huge quality, even better than the talent!”
I don’t think being a former Bear had anything to do with it. Lovie had gone the distance with an aged veteran in the past (with the Bears) and he hoped he could do it again. Josh McCown was a veteran he had experience with.
Even if McCown had never played for the Bears, he was exactly what Lovie was looking for, and he’d supposedly looked good the year before (I didn’t think he did at all. I wasn’t in the MGM…but I did feel all along that Glennon was the better option over McCown…even befor Josh was signed. I also didn’t think Glennon was good enough to take us all the way…until Koetter was signed).
April 8th, 2016 at 6:20 pm
Danati Says
“I say we use Glennon to trade up all the way to #1 if we can. surrender our 1st and 2nd round picks…”
That’s crazy talk. We have far too many holes. The secondary is not nearly as important as the front line.
April 8th, 2016 at 6:29 pm
Mike Glennon is easily better than Sanchez and RGIII. All he needs is a good pass blocking offensive line, and he’ll be better than half the QBs in the league.
The team just has to build for him like they would have for a Peyton Manning. Pure pocket passer.
I think most of you would be horrible at negotiations of any sort. You are too impatient. The draft is coming and you are already lowering expectations. The secret to a great deal is to stick to your guns.
Jason Licht “seems” to being doing that. We’ll see if he is good enough to pull things off. Don’t forget…they were already rumored to be offered a later second rounder. So that means a 2nd round offer is out there…probably waiting for the draft to see if a better offer comes.
April 8th, 2016 at 6:49 pm
What he said ^^
April 8th, 2016 at 6:54 pm
People also need to get use to the idea that fixing our offense will take TWO drafts.
Licht could have done it in one if he had signed a couple young, healthy defensive players with upside, but he fell short in that front.
We will be lucky…LUCKY! if 3-4 picks work out this year as starters…and that’s optimistic. We have more needs on defense than that, and we also need to address a couple spots on offense (such as WR, RT and TE).
Two years away, people. Get used to the idea.
April 8th, 2016 at 6:55 pm
I really think MG8 and the number 9 to the Jets for Mo Wilkerson and the #20. LT D. Ferguson just retired, if the Notre Dame LT is on the board at 9 I think the Jets would be in a great situation as their needs just changed.
April 8th, 2016 at 7:01 pm
Wide range of good opinions above so best thing is to take the middle road and hope I’m wrong. Still think he is minimum 4th round value and that equals hold on to him in 2016. Like someone mentioned above, we haven’t seen him play in a year and a half. And while we may think he is better than Sanchez, RG3, Fitzgerald and others he is the best kept secrete in the NFL. No one is talking about him. So unless all the QB needy teams are pumping smoke out of their war rooms, he will be a Buc next year. Just my opinion.
April 8th, 2016 at 7:02 pm
Muhammad Wilkerson isn’t consistent. That makes me hesitant for such a trade.
April 8th, 2016 at 7:03 pm
Anyone else noticing all the suspensions being handed out today?
I am praying no Bucs are on it…especially Kwon.
April 8th, 2016 at 7:05 pm
@martinii
Adam Schein is talking about him…and Joe has posted other stories of people discussing him this week. 3 of the 4 sources above love him.
April 8th, 2016 at 7:40 pm
Kevin that has to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever read in the comments section and that is saying something .
April 8th, 2016 at 7:44 pm
Also if you honestly believe that then you clearly need to pick a new sport to watch. No harm meant but man what are you watching and listening to if you think Koetter is not tremendously excited about Jameis.
April 8th, 2016 at 8:25 pm
I can’t believe how much I have to defend Glennon when I never liked him – but he wasn’t a bad QB, he’s just not a good QB, he has the upside to become a decent NFL starter. My issue with Glennon was that he was nothing you special, you don’t build your team around, but if you have a good team with a good to excellent defense Glennon is a very good fit. The 4th rounder though… it’s just not enough, for that just keep Glennon – you get a year of play from him in whatever capacity then perhaps you get a comp pick, perhaps you don’t, but you have a plan if Winston isn’t able to play every snap like he did last year, and history tells us Winston probably will miss some snaps.
April 8th, 2016 at 8:30 pm
@BuccaneerBonzai Says
That’s crazy talk. We have far too many holes. The secondary is not nearly as important as the front line.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. We are a team with like four 5’10” and maybe two 6 plus inch CBs in a league with wr’s 6’5″. Trading up to grab the best rated defensive player probably isnt the worst idea, at least we would be getting someone good for Glennon. If it cost us a 2nd rounder,..we would only be losing one pick. I would rather have Ramsey than any other first round pick and so would J-Dog Win. BTW Dt and De is deep and DB is not. Who would you like to pick first overall?
April 8th, 2016 at 8:40 pm
Anyone who knows anything about the Buccaneers knows that when a player leaves this team for another they usually perform very well. You all know if Mike Glennon leaves and is given a shot to lead a team, he is going to surprise a lot of people. The Jets D’Brickashaw Ferguson has decided to retire. There is a big possibility that Ronnie Stanley falls to us at nine. If so the Jets could be a team willing to trade up from the 20th spot to number nine? Maybe even include Muhammad Wilkerson in a trade? Think about it, the Jets need a QB and a left tackle. We could offer them both. With or without Wilkerson involved you would think they would be willing to trade up for the pick. Give us your #20 and your 2nd round pick and your in. We could then draft –
R1PK20) CB William Jackson Houston 6′ 0″ 195
R2PK29) DE Kevin Dodd Clemson 6′ 5″ 275
R2PK51) DT Vernon Butler Louisiana Tech 6′ 4″ 323
R3PK74) FS Jeremy Cash Duke 6′ 1″ 210
April 8th, 2016 at 8:55 pm
He is worth at least a 2nd round pic, or a 3rd round pick where he was drafted. He is the best QB that is available in the NFL.
April 8th, 2016 at 9:18 pm
Danati…Ramsey is the best player in this draft imo.
Just as to me Jameis was the best player in last year’s draft.
Go Noles!
I want them to draft all DL (not kidding) but if they swindle a deal to get Ramsey I’ll do a cartwheel (45 years old) out in my front lawn.
April 8th, 2016 at 10:55 pm
Question for you all:
If you were another team in the NFL, how high a draft pick would you be willing to give up for Jameis Winston, the messiah, knowing that his contract would only be for exactly ONE game next season? How about for ONE whole season? After that though, his rights would again return to the Bucs, or he would be an unrestricted free agent, and could negotiate any contract with the highest bidder. Well, that is exactly the case with Mike Glennon. Any draft pick offered in trade, will only guarantee his services for one year at most, at which time he becomes an unrestricted free agent. Same for even star players like Mo Wilkerson, who would only be contractually obligated by a trade for only ONE year! So, their REAL worth will only be determined once they are an unrestricted free agent, when all teams are allowed to bid without giving up a draft pick, other than a possible compensatory pick.
tickrdr
April 8th, 2016 at 10:59 pm
RED FLAG? That card was pulled out by Lovie dovie. Crowning Miracle McClown as top dog.
April 8th, 2016 at 11:01 pm
Yup, no wiggle room for MG or GM s.
April 9th, 2016 at 5:34 am
Glennon is a quality Backup. As such, he is worth at least a 2nd round pick .
Any less, and we try to get Glennon under contract for another 4-6 years.
Then neither Mike or The Bucs have to worry about QB backup for a long time.
That plan doesnt work, If Glennon is determined to be a starter. Hopefully, he is comfortable where hes at.
April 9th, 2016 at 12:11 pm
The only reason he was behind McClown is simple. Lovie is a dumb___. And we wanted the #1 pick, so they tanked it. Lovie could possibly still have a job if he would’ve played Glennon. We wouldn’t have Jameis in that scenario. Even I would rather have #3 over Lovie. That’s an easy one.
April 9th, 2016 at 1:52 pm
@Danati
I’m not against drafting him…IF he falls to us.
And I am all for trading Glennon…or even resigning him, however unlikely.
What I am against is trading away picks. We need all we can get. If Licht had handled Free Agency better and gotten us 1-2 more good young defensive players, we might have to luxury to trade away picks from rd 1 to rd 5, but he didn’t.
We don’t have the #1 overall, so I haven’t even considered it. And I do not support trading up for it. I think it would be a waste. Yes…we might get one good player out of such a trade…but it would cost us too much.
You are talking about moving up to the first pick. No way. Now…Glennon to move up to the 7th pick to pull a swift move and get a good player? I would support that. But from 9th to 1st? No way.
As to who I would want at 9? I haven’t really thought about the draft much this year, but I’m leaning toward Noah Spence…or possibly trading back into the first to take him if he falls.
April 9th, 2016 at 4:19 pm
Here is a trade I would roll the dice on….mike glennon for josh gordon. Give the browns a choice between glennon and rg3 and take a chance on the best reciever in the league. Hes.so good it would be well worth the risk
April 11th, 2016 at 11:47 am
#9 overall and mike glennon to the jets
wilkerson + a 2nd and 5th rounder to the bucs
April 14th, 2016 at 5:43 pm
Just take Hargraves at #9, and then trade up to draft Dodd late in the 1st