More S(p)it On The Wall Mocking
April 9th, 2016
You are wrong (this week), Mel.
Helmet head Mel Kiper resumed his weekly throw-crap-against-the-wall/mock drafting and, this week, he thinks the Bucs will — wait for it — draft a right tackle.
When will they learn?
Kiper believes Notre Dame tackle Ronnie Stanley will find his way on the Bucs.
9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame
I could see Stanley going as high as No. 3 overall, which makes him a reasonable value here. The Bucs did target offensive line help in last year’s draft, but ceiling is a pretty big question mark, and they shouldn’t make the same mistake the Colts did with Andrew Luck when it comes to building a solid group in front of their franchise talent.
Well, Joe could see the Bucs picking a right tackle, but not with the No. 9 pick. Stanley has experience at right and left tackle, and many see him as the top left tackle prospect.
Despite what the Bucs have said both publicly and privately about Donovan Smith, and what NFL folks have said about Donovan Smith, the flat earth society crowd just won’t listen. Instead, they point to spreadsheets from the PFF tribe — clearly more knowledgeable than men who make a living at the game — as evidence the football folks are wrong.
When will they learn?
The Bucs are not moving Smith to right tackle. And the Bucs are not drafting a right tackle at No. 9. To suggest otherwise is irresponsible, like most weekly mock drafts are.
April 9th, 2016 at 7:13 am
I think they go DE, but Smith is a LEFT TACKLE, so what is unreasonable about picking a RIGHT TACKLE to finish the job? That would not require Smith be moved…
April 9th, 2016 at 7:14 am
I come lookin for you a Haaaitian/I stay smokin that good Jamaaicon/I @$!# &!$@es from diffrent raaces/You get money they started haaaton/I WOKE UP IN THAT NEW BUGOTI!! And in passenger seat was Emanuel Ogbah at 9… Although I feel Stanley is actually just as good if not better than Tunsil
April 9th, 2016 at 7:16 am
Unless there is a typo above and Stanley is a left tackle.
April 9th, 2016 at 7:16 am
Wjth the free agent signings i can see them going offense in round 1 or 2. But that offensive player will be a receiver. Coleman or sheppard are my top two choices. Need a quick slot receiver. Cmon draft get here so we can stop hearing about these dumb mocks!!! Go bucs
April 9th, 2016 at 7:18 am
Wow, Hope, I must be old…I didn’t understand a word of that until t
how last sentence, lol.
April 9th, 2016 at 7:20 am
“Hope” = Nole
Stupid autocorrect
April 9th, 2016 at 7:21 am
Did Roddy White ever get Signed by a team?
April 9th, 2016 at 7:31 am
maybe we get Roddy after the draft?
April 9th, 2016 at 7:50 am
😊You’re not old Bonzai you’re better..
April 9th, 2016 at 8:00 am
Joe,
Thank you for cranking out the stories this morning. Keepem coming!
Also, Stanley would be a great addition to our offensive line. If he is available I hope Licht pulls the trigger. Have you read Stephen White’s article on Ronnie Stanley? White says he would take Stanley over Tunsil “every day of the week and twice on Sundays”.
The NFL is becoming an aerial assault league, and just as the argument goes for quality depth at secondary, the same can be said for the O-Line. Jamie’s Winston needs to be protected at all costs.
April 9th, 2016 at 8:04 am
Watching this latest mock on NFL network. It has my guy Ogbah going to Carolina. 😰That would be nightmare scenario.
April 9th, 2016 at 8:17 am
The best thing that can happen. In this draft is for us to finish putting that core group of Real “Bucks” around JW…. The more points they more likely we get a trophy in a few years!!!!
Going forward the focus can shift back to the D in the draft…. For now…. You can’t pass on the talent you lack…. We need more talent on the OL and WR/TE/FB/RB/KR…. Mix in another Kwon or even better a bad to the bone kicker and that would put te draft on ice till the season starts….(Puns are Fun:-)
April 9th, 2016 at 8:17 am
I’m so sick and tired of carolina acquiring young D end talent every few years to terrorize everyone in the division while we sit on our hands talking bout this position and that position. Man we need young horses to run down this cam a$$ dude man.
April 9th, 2016 at 8:19 am
I’m talking bout evertime we play the cats cam smiling all game like “like I don’t even see y’all”.
April 9th, 2016 at 8:30 am
@Nole, thats why I say if we do draft a WR first, or DT or DB (at 9th or trading back) then move back into the 1st for Ogbah, or if he makes it to the 2nd, move up and grab him.
But I have a feeling the kitties are going O line with their 1st pick. They would be stupid not to.
April 9th, 2016 at 8:59 am
Let’s be honest. The media goes to the spreadsheet on the Bucs because no one watches the Bucs. The Bucs are irrelevant nationally. No one outside our market cares what the team does so you would have to see Donovan Smith PLAY in order to know how good he was. Since there were no prime time games and no replays of the dreck the Bucs participated in , the media has to resort to these goofball rating systems that somehow made a metric to gauge a tackle.
April 9th, 2016 at 9:03 am
Joe
Whitacre you calling Stanley a right tackle? If this scenario plays out Smith would surely slide over to right tackle.
April 9th, 2016 at 9:13 am
I here you MMax, my partner Snowman said Ogbah reminds him of Ziggy Ansah. That dude has blossomed and now is a terror. I’m just afraid if we don’t take this guy we’ll regret it. Gotta keep something in mind to bro. The cats made it to the show with that porous o line. Although the Broncos made them look suspect the same can be said as to how they made the Pats and Steelers O line look as well. We all know that organization over there in Carolina is bullish on D line man. We can’t let this kid end up over there bro.
April 9th, 2016 at 9:40 am
Not a bad pick at all……..at least he’s as close to a sure thing as most anyone who will be available at #9…….we simply can’t miss on this pick.
April 9th, 2016 at 9:56 am
If Joe thinks Stanley is a more questionable pick than Elliott, then I think he needs to reevaluate. Having a dominant o line with a good qb will bring us success on offense for years to come. I’m not too sold on any defensive prospects that fit at 9 unless we trade up or trade back, I don’t think stanley is a bad pick. The game of football is won first in the trenches. Remember that Joe!
April 9th, 2016 at 10:11 am
I wouldn’t mind taking Stanley at all. Sure it’s not the sexiest pick like a DE DB or WR but having solid OL is super important
April 9th, 2016 at 10:13 am
In my humble opinion 80% of our draft should be predicated on stopping one cam newton. I’m so f@$!in sick of that guy😠!!!
April 9th, 2016 at 10:14 am
All I know is that there will be a lot of good players at different positions that will be available when the Bucs pick. We can go so many different directions in the 1st rd. More I think about it, we could very well pass on DE.
April 9th, 2016 at 10:16 am
And let me remind y’all Josh Norman and Richard Sherman were drafted if I’m not mistaken in the 4th and 5th rounds.
April 9th, 2016 at 10:47 am
Just keep neglecting your Defense Bucs. Go right ahead and draft a tackle at #9. And you can expect to finish at your usual place..Last in the division. While Carolina keeps replenishing their defensive talent? We are enthralled at Jameis throwing for 600 yrds a game and still losing. What good is scoring 50 pts a game when the opposing Offense scores 51? Bucs had better be able to stop somebody when it counts. Can’t do that if you keep on drafting offensively.
April 9th, 2016 at 11:25 am
I’d be 100% fine with Stanley at #9, a great “value” there.
The Bucs would be set at OL for years. Maybe move Marpet to C, Sweezy back to RG and Pamphile to LG. Think about it, L to R: Smith, Pamphile, Marpet, Sweezy, Stanley. Does it get better in the NFL than that? Young, athletic, strong and beastly.
After all those years of the some of the worst OL’s in the history of the NFL, what a joyous experience to have the best. Wow.
I suspect the Bucs staff aren’t as down on the current DL & DB as fans are. I suspect they know there is some decent talent there just badly misused by the prior Football Strategic Neanderthals.
The scheme may change everything.
April 9th, 2016 at 11:28 am
mike johnson Says:
Lovie, his hangers-on friends and spawn, and that ancient, decrepit, stinky defense scheme have left the building.
THAT, alone, is worth far fewer points being given up.
April 9th, 2016 at 11:31 am
I’m not sold on any DE taken really high in the draft. The number if high-pick DE busts match the number of high-pick QB busts.
The reason is the same as QB’s: while spread offenses don’t “train” QB’s for the NFL style, the same goes for DE’s who go against those spread offenses.
April 9th, 2016 at 12:18 pm
Joe,
I completely disagree with you on this one. Ronnie Stanley would be a steal at #9. And, with his talent and skill. He would be our new left tackle. Move Smith over to RT. That would give us a dominate right side of the line to run behind. And Stanley would make up for the team playing Sweezy at LG. Sweez is a great run blocker but only ok at pass blocking. He fits at RG better. Drafting Stanley would give us one of the top lines in the league. And, would help out Jameis and our RB duo. Don’t understand how you wouldn’t like that. Stanley is just as good as Tunsil. Could even turn out to be a better pro.
April 9th, 2016 at 12:52 pm
No way we take WR at 9 thats insane,
It will be Bosa Buckner Hargraves or stanley, all good picks.
The only shocker would be elliott and thats if they thought hes AP 2.0 and he might be !
April 9th, 2016 at 12:52 pm
Drafting Stanley makes perfect sense if Ramsey. Bosa, Buckner, Tunsil and Myles Jack are off the board. Would love to have any of the above named if one of them slip to us at #9, but if not, then Stanley would be the top name on 90% of all teams draft boards. He is actually rated high enough by some that teams would consider his talent to be a good value at 9 and perhaps want to move up for him – which would be awesome. Moving down and picking up an extra pick or 2 would be ideal in this draft. But its unlikely as trade downs usually are – so the prudent thing for the Bucs to do would be to draft Stanley at 9 if he is available and set Jameis up with talented book-end Tackles for the next 10 years.
We will not have an opportunity to draft a tackle of Stanley’s pedigree in the future if Jason Licht’s desire to never pick in the top 10 again comes true.
He is a legit top 10 prospect and will be the only player left with that high of a grade when we pick aside from a QB or RB which we will NOT be drafting that high and assuming the above 5 named are already off the board.
Stanley SHOULD BE the pick if the draft falls like I think it will. There is definitely a drop off in overall grades compared to Stanley for players like Vh3, Rankins, Apple, Spence, Dodd, Lawson, Ogbah etc that we could also be considering at 9.
Stanley would almost definitely be BPA at 9 if he is there for us and the argument that we don’t need another great young OT because we have Donovan Smith is not sound at all. It actually reminds me of Doms decision not to draft Kuechly at #7 in 2012 – reaching for Barron instead with the mindset that Mason Foster had a decent year at MLB as a rookie and that Safety was a bigger “need”.
April 9th, 2016 at 3:10 pm
I’m Old School. Use your top picks on OL & DL unless you’re stocked there.
Football is still won & lost within 3 yards of the line of scrimmage…
April 9th, 2016 at 5:54 pm
If he is the best player available, i don’t see a problem with the choice. If Stanley drops to 9, then that means teams are loading up on DEs. So do we want the 5th best DE or do we select the best O lineman in the draft? Not really far fetched. RT position is filled, but it could certainly use an upgrade. Gosder and Dotson are good but not great, Stanley could be great. Did you forget that Jameis was hit the most for any pocket passer?
I would be a little disappointed that we didnt get an elite pass rusher with our first pick, but if Licht and Co don’t see an elite DE fall to them at 9, then take the best available player and if Stanley is there, he would most likely be the best player available.
I understand you hate mock drafts (even though, ironically, you love to read them and post about them) but selecting the best o lineman at 9 would be a nice pick. You demanded the bucs invest heavily in Winston, protecting him would fall perfectly in line with that thinking.
April 9th, 2016 at 9:09 pm
Just keep neglecting your Defense Bucs. Go right ahead and draft a tackle at #9. And you can expect to finish at your usual place..Last in the division. While Carolina keeps replenishing their defensive talent? We are enthralled at Jameis throwing for 600 yrds a game and still losing. What good is scoring 50 pts a game when the opposing Offense scores 51? Bucs had better be able to stop somebody when it counts. Can’t do that if you keep on drafting offensively.
-Wait. Remind me. Why did Carolina lose again? Oh right. Bc they couldn’t block Denver. Never try to criticize a team for what ESPN predicts they are gonna do. You look stupid.
April 9th, 2016 at 9:23 pm
Thank you Lovethepewter you sumed it up. Its time to get defensive minded.
April 9th, 2016 at 10:01 pm
If that happens…the Bucs with the #1 pick in the 2017 pick is…myles garrett. Dare you to ALL OFFENSE in 2016. Go Bucs!
April 9th, 2016 at 11:59 pm
If Ronnie Stanley falls to us it will be a stroke of luck. Call the Jets and work out a deal and trade down with them. Take their 2nd round pick or a 3rd and 5th. I know a lot of people are not sold on taking a DE at nine because none of them are top ten talent. Problem is that if we wait until the second round the good ones will all be gone. The other reason is that we can get a quality DT in the second round. As long as we draft either Leonard Floyd, Noah Spence, Shaq Lawson or Deforest Buckner in the first I will be happy. Then again what really are our biggest needs? IMO they are Safety, DT and WR? We have Robert Ayers, Jacquies Smith, Howard Jones and George Johnson? Yea, DE in the first..
April 11th, 2016 at 11:43 am
there was always chatter about D Smith’s potential as a guard if he ended up showing limitations at LT. there’s also been buzz about Marpet’s potential at center. If you add in another player that you love at LT, there are lots of possibilities to explore for the long term. for whatever reason, great Centers make less than very good guards and great guards make less than above average LTs. a 1st round LT pushes the big payday out 2 or 3 years beyond Donovan Smith’s contract timeline