Kevin Dodd And The Bucs
April 1st, 2016
This week’s s(p)it-against-the-wall guesswork from NFL.com has the Bucs selecting a Clemson DE.
Joe did a quick Google search for mock drafts, against common sense, and was shocked by how many folks believe the Bucs will draft Florida cornerback Vernon Hargreaves.
Have any of these people even watched a Bucs game in the past seven years? Don’t they understand what a Tarpon Springs-like sinkhole the Bucs have for an edge rusher? Geez.
So Joe decided to check NFL.com. There, former NFL scout Daniel Jeremiah believes the Bucs will pick a defensive end. But hold on to your beer. Jeremiah, this week, thinks the Bucs will select a Clemson defensive end, him being Kevin Dodd.
Given how the Bucs have swung and missed (terribly) on Clemson defensive ends in recent years, Joe asked Dodd at the NFL Scouting Combine if he thought the severe bust rate of Clemson DEs will hurt his stock? Dodd seemed to wave off Joe’s question.
“No, it’s not going to hurt me at all,” Dodd said. “I’m going to be Kevin Dodd and go out do what I got to do and I’m going to live up to my potential.”
Still, Joe would shy away from a Clemson defensive end. It just seems like those guys are snakebit in the NFL, especially if they wear pewter and red.
April 1st, 2016 at 2:21 pm
Draft an OL or WR… We got plenty of depth on the DL that has talent galore… Especially after we trade for Mo….
That is unless suddenly we think Lovie was a good coach that got ran because of bad talent…
Finish building the O…
April 1st, 2016 at 2:31 pm
Joe
Good thing you didn’t apply that logic to day quarterbacks last year
April 1st, 2016 at 2:34 pm
Don’t recall the Bucs being burned by multiple top picks of Florida State quarterbacks in recent history. In fact, didn’t the Bucs win a Super Bowl with a Florida State quarterback?
April 1st, 2016 at 2:39 pm
“I’m going to live up to my potential.”
I do like the sound of his determination if he truly means it.
Joe – as badly as the Bucs need a premier pass rusher on the edge – this draft is devoid of top 10 talent “value” wise and that kind of includes Bosa and Buckner IMO. I’m quite sure that at least a handful or more of the DEs coming out this year will be good NFL players and maybe 1 or 2 will be great – but I’m also pretty sure at least a couple or few of them will come from late 1st>3rd rounds. Picking a DE not named Bosa at #9 from this year’s crop is going to be a “reach” based on grading criteria and I hope the Bucs can just get a very good football player regardless of position with that 1st round pick.
We obviously need to find some young talent at DE and I Do surely hope the new DLine coach is able to help us identify which DE or 2 he wants from this bunch and that Licht does what is appropriate value wise to get them. That scenario worked out perfectly last year when Warhop told mgmt he wanted to work with D. Smith and/or Marpet and Licht got both of them at the top and bottom of the 2nd round.
April 1st, 2016 at 2:42 pm
Bucs need a set of corners, possibly worse then they need a defensive end. I don’t care how good you are at rushing the passer, when the QB is getting rid of the ball in less then 3 seconds, your not going to hit him in that amount of time. Hargreaves has made it vocal that he would love to play in Tampa, team glazer should grant his wish.
April 1st, 2016 at 2:46 pm
Absolutely not.
April 1st, 2016 at 2:46 pm
I wouldnt mind Dodd or Lawson…and I feel everyone, on the Clemson bad mojo with us drafting their players. And Im a SC Gamecock (in state rivalry for those who dont know), so it takes a lot for me to go out on a limb for these guys.
But both of these guys are coming from a team who played for a national title…..Adams nor Bowers made it that far. Now you can chalk it up to being surrounded by better players, better coaching and circumstances (weak schedule, Clemson always has a weak schedule other than what Fl St. had with Jameis) but they made it to the national title.
You guys are entitled to hold what you want against drafting Clemson defensive players based on our bad luck with Adams and Bowers. But Im right up the road from these guys and Ive watched them closely. At #9, it might be a reach, a small one, but as bad as we need pass rush, I wouldnt be disappointed with either one.
April 1st, 2016 at 2:48 pm
Pick:
Can’t disagree. But then again, Licht has a different grading system than most of us have. We shall see.
Guy:
Am willing to give Banks and Verner the benefit of the doubt. Both guys fell off the map with Lovie and the only corner that played halfway decent for Lovie, nobody wants.
Wouldn’t be shocked if they drafted a corner at No. 9. Lot depends how the draft shakes out with the first eight picks.
April 1st, 2016 at 2:48 pm
Hargraves is not worthy of a top 10 pick. Simple as that. Bucs have far more pressing needs at de, wr and ot.
April 1st, 2016 at 2:50 pm
“That guy” Says:
April 1st, 2016 at 2:42 pm
Hargreaves has made it vocal that he would love to play in Tampa, team glazer should grant his wish.
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I’m sure he’s told the Titans, Browns, Jags, et al the same thing. He’d love to play in their city too.
You don’t just draft someone because they say they want to play somewhere, even if he’s local. Guys just want to play in the NFL, at the end of the day, they don’t really care where.
April 1st, 2016 at 2:59 pm
I agree, you draft Simone because they show the intangibles as an individual, and because it is a team need. Them playing in there native state is simply a +
April 1st, 2016 at 3:04 pm
tmaxcon, what do you look for in a top 10 corner? What makes a player worth or not worth that high of a pick? Better yet, what would you look for when drafting a db at all? Mr. Talent specialists.
April 1st, 2016 at 3:11 pm
“That guy”
I am just not sold on Hargraves. I have watched most of his games and do not feel he will match up well especially with the receivers in our division. His measurables are questionable but not a deal breaker for me but when I look at all factors I just don’t feel he is the best choice for the bucs. I wish him well and he most likely will be a decent NFL player but at 9 I want a potentially great player who is a game changer and I just don’t get that feeling with Hargraves. It has nothing to do with UF. Obviously, it the bucs draft him I will pull for him.
What I’d like to see happen is trade Glennon and pick 9 to jets for Mo Wilkerson or if that does not workout draft Leondard Floyd or Ogbah wtih 9.
April 1st, 2016 at 3:20 pm
It seems like this #9 spot isn’t yielding great value, like everyone is a stretch. So lets float a thought. Trade MG8 and the #9 for M Wilkerson and the #20? We get a better DE than any gamble in the draft, and probably many of the names floated to us still available at #20. Am I crazy?
April 1st, 2016 at 3:31 pm
I can agree with him not matching up well with WR in our division, but then again, show me 1 CB that is 6’4 that runs a 4-4 ? De is a need, but I don’t think that the texans De would produce with the bucs secondary, bucs need secondary help or ANY de bucs draft or sign will bust. Just like the last 9 years have shown. I’ve noticed Hargreaves does a great job of shadowing WR, and making the QB hold the ball longer then they would like. And this = pressure on the QB.
April 1st, 2016 at 3:32 pm
Too many people are wrapped up in the idea that a good defensive line will automatically solve our Secondary issues. Watch how many coverage sacks the Broncos had last year, it wasn’t just the dline. Haven’t heard much talk about the secondary helping the defensive line. And those who say Hargreaves is not a top 10 pick I can’t trust your football opinion. Go back and watch his tape, Brent Grimes is 5’10 that doesn’t concern me. He has tremendous football skill and IQ. He is the best cover corner in the draft and I like him better than a long term d end project.
April 1st, 2016 at 3:35 pm
Still not used to this Eastern Time. Still feels like 1:30 to me.
Personally I think that the whole “we suck at drafting Clemson DE’s” or ” Clemson DEs suck” is just superstition. Either a guy can play or he can’t. I get paid to build and remodel homes. There are people in the Bucs Organization that get paid to evaluate talent. They damn sure better not tell me how to install cabinets or crown molding so I will let them do their job as well. I just want to start winning more football games than losing soon.
Go Bucs!!!
April 1st, 2016 at 3:36 pm
@tmax and Destro….that would be too fantastic….Im all for it, and then we land Coleman or Doctson…..and pray Dodd falls to the 2nd.
April 1st, 2016 at 3:40 pm
@Madmax
You nailed it and props to you for sticking up for a Tiger when you’re a Gamecock.
Reminds me of some of the UF guys last year sticking up for an FSU QB.
Like you I get Joe’s fear of a Clemson DE. But let’s be totally honest here. That’s just pure superstition with no football logic or thinking behind it. It’s just superstition!!!
If you do try to connect the Clemson program as simply producing failures at DE it’s kind of tough blaming it on a couple of horrible players.
BTW Max did you live in SC…maybe just Columbia if you went to USC?
I lived 7 years in Greenville S.C. which is obviously pretty heavy Clemson territory. I was there for the Charley Pell, Danny Ford eras. I was never a huge fan of Tommy Bowden. A good coach but I never believed he could get the Tigers to the big game.
Dabo Sweeney is another thing…he’s proven his talent.
April 1st, 2016 at 3:42 pm
Tbbucs3
You can question the football IQ of anyone you would like. You can not guarantee that Hargraves will be a difference maker in the nfl. No once can. Plenty of “so called sure things” have bombed in the NFL. Hargraves may very well have a great career or he maybe out of the leage in 3 years no one knows. Based on some of your previous posts that I have read it appears you favor a bucs roster made up of all local guys and in state products. Local feel good stories are great if the player has the talent to help the team win. The goal is to win the super bowl not bring in every fan favorite or local boy.
April 1st, 2016 at 3:47 pm
Our Bucs Must draft a quality DE and 2 corners in this draft. There is no way around it. Well..there is. And its called a 4-12 record or worst.!
April 1st, 2016 at 3:55 pm
@StPete, born and raised in Greenville my friend. And yeah, surrounded by tigger fans, but I bite back when I have to, lol. Have to work tonight so Im going to bed….will be lucky to get 2 hours of sleep (construction noise all day until now) I’ll get back to you more tomorrow….(3 days off finally)
April 1st, 2016 at 3:57 pm
Reminds me of some of the UF guys last year sticking up for an FSU QB.
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I resemble that remark SPBF.
April 1st, 2016 at 3:57 pm
Joe, I’d love to see the Bucs grab a stud DE at #9, but I think that’s too high a pick for any of this year’s DEs other than Bosa or Buckner. Guess is that the first 8 teams will take QBs Goff & Wentz, RB Elliott, OTs Tunsil & Stanley, DEs Buckner & Bosa, CB Ramsey and OLB Myles. If that holds true, at our #9 we’d have our pick of Safeties (Neal & Joseph come to mind), DTs (Robinson or several others), OT (Conklin) or, dare I say it, another RB (Henry).
And if one of the first 8 mentioned should fall (other than QBs), hey, that’d be awesome for the Bucs. In other words, Bucs are in a great position to snag best-player-available, but the first 8 will dictate who that is.
April 1st, 2016 at 3:59 pm
JAB says “We got plenty of depth on the DL that has talent galore… Especially after we trade for Mo….” WTF? You cannot be serious dude. We got zero pressure on QBs last year and they were able to throw for an average completion rate of 70% because of that. “Talent galore.” Oh my god that may be the most ridiculous statement I have ever read on this site. We have a solid defensive tackle in McCoy and then scrubs that would barely make rosters (if at all) at all the other spots.
April 1st, 2016 at 4:11 pm
Mike Johnson
no need to draft 2 corners that’s a total overreaction. Verner was a previous pro bowler and Banks was improving nicely until they were setup to fail in Lovies system and coached by unqualified assistants. I’ll give you credit for consistency on pounding the defense first philosophy. I disagree with your philosophy and the numbers back it up a mediocre defense and a top offense have won majority of the superbowls in the last decade. Ravens, Bucs and Broncos are the exception not the norm for superbowl winners in the last 20 years.
April 1st, 2016 at 4:14 pm
Touchdown
You don’t like Clinton?
April 1st, 2016 at 4:18 pm
tmax
First off, there is no guarantee that anyone in the draft will be a difference maker at the next level but based on my evaluation of VH3 he is the safest pick and has the most upside. I played against him twice a year on HS so I’m aware of his work ethic and have seen his skills in person, he picked my off twice in HS on routes the were open, his break on the ball is special and he’s only improved since then. He consistently displayed his cover ability and ball skills at Florida. There are no stand out dends in this draft, can’t trust Spence or Lawson in the 1st round, maybe Dodd/Ogbah in the 2d. And if I were a local fan boy I would been calling for the Bucs to draft locals like Nelson Agholor and Matt Jones. But I’m interested in talent not where they’re from.
April 1st, 2016 at 4:26 pm
Has everybody heard about Joey Bosa’s holdout if he get’s drafted by the Ravens?
Joey Bosa has come forward saying, “I will hold out if drafted by the Baltimore Ravens”. A huge blow to what could be a great pick-up in the 2016 NFL Draft.
Is this an April Fool’s joke or not? I heard them talking about it on WDAE today as if it’s real.
I do not know. If it’s not a joke that could REALLY shake up the draft.
April 1st, 2016 at 4:31 pm
I am out to meet up with Nole on Sat fellas. If your ears are burning later you should feel good about that, …..er, maybe. Anyways peace and Go Bucs!!!
April 1st, 2016 at 4:33 pm
SPBF
I spoke to Ramsey he’s holding out too unless the Bucs draft him. #April1
April 1st, 2016 at 4:34 pm
1. Wilkerson is not a great fit and would tie up a ton of money in the DT position (he’s not a 4-3 end)
2. Buckner is not a great fit. More like a DT/DE hybrid meant for 3-4. I’d rather take a DT like Rankins who is way more useful as a 4-3 lineman.
3. Personally I’m fine with drafting no corners if it plays out like that but prefer at least 1. Grimes = probowler last year. Verner = probowler before Lovie. Banks = at worst a starting caliber CB before Lovie. There is hard evidence to believe those 3 can lock their positions down- more evidence than any draft pick considering those guys played at high levels in the NFL already and any draft pick is untested and a bit of an unknown.
I think this would be a great draft to trade back if possible. The guys the Bucs have had for visits are all ranked in the mid 1st and not typically the top 10. Pewter report has a great article on it although I’m not sure how realistic the trade back is.
Either that or a trade up for Bosa/Ramsey but we need more than 1 impact player
April 1st, 2016 at 4:41 pm
I would fell much more comfortable trading down if we can. I don’t like our choices at this point at 9……but things can change quickly on draft day.
I think we need to make a safe choice at #9….to me, that would seem to be at Oline or CB.
I think we can find a good DE in round 2. There are many available and who really knows which ones will really turn out to be superstars.
If we can get a really good extra pick for Glennon, we could use that to trade back up into round 1 and get one there.
April 1st, 2016 at 4:59 pm
Joe.. Im not sure why you keeping insisting the Bucs reach for need at #9. There is no “Pass Rushing” DE worth the 9 pick. And no Bosa and Buckner are not pass rushing ends.
April 1st, 2016 at 5:02 pm
Treadwell at #9
Safety rnd 2
Kafausi in 3
Oakman in 5th.
April 1st, 2016 at 5:14 pm
Do not reach for a DE at the #9 pick. They brought in Hayes to coach that unit for a reason, he develops defensive linemen. Nobody on that Bengals line was a top ten pick.
This team needs speed and play makers badly. We need guys that are either going to take the ball away or score TDs. Period. There are few truly elite talents in this draft, but there is going to be good value in the 2nd-4th round.
Our first pick needs to be a game changer. My favorite players in this draft are Tunsil, Ramsey, Myles Jack, and Corey Coleman.
April 1st, 2016 at 5:28 pm
@tmax…so your basically saying that there is only 1 db worthy of a top 10 pick but somehow there are multiple de’s worthy of that pick….yeah right…imo there only 1 de worth top 10 and that’s bosa…vhg would be the best player available at #9 with tunsil, ramsey, a qb or 2, bosa, Stanley, buckner, jack all being off the board….I know your a fsu fan but damn…its getting comical your bashing of vhg…he’s best pure cover cb for a reason…defending taller wrs wont be a problem with him going up against evans and vjax every day in practice….GO BUCS!!!
April 1st, 2016 at 5:28 pm
@ DB55:
Did you see Treadwell run 4.65 at his pro day?
April 1st, 2016 at 5:30 pm
@DB55…Treadwell at #9?…hell no…the kid ran 4.67 in the 40…we need a speed wr with hands…GO BUCS!!!
April 1st, 2016 at 5:32 pm
@ Defense Rules
You named off 9 players….so we would get a shot at one you named.
April 1st, 2016 at 5:32 pm
This is called superstition, Joe. If superstition enters your decision making in the draft, you’re a fool. Good thing Joe’s not a GM. Now, whether Dodd or Lawson are worthy of a top 10 pick is a different question, having nothing to do with their school. What matters is how they played against top competition.
To me, for the Bucs’ purposes, there doesn’t seem to be a top 10 worthy DE in the draft except Bosa, as Buckner is probably a DT in the Bucs’ view. So, I definitely see them working hard to trade down. PR says they’re not in love with Hargreaves. I just don’t see a defensive fit in the top 10 for them. Trade down or draft offense.
April 1st, 2016 at 5:32 pm
Yes sir I did, then I saw a graphic on nfln with like 10 other WRs that ran slower 40s and are absolute beasts or baby beasts in the NFL. Can’t remember all of them but I remember Anquan Boldin was up there with a 4.7 or something.
April 1st, 2016 at 5:33 pm
Bosa said he will hold out if drafted by the ravens. He may end up falling to the bucs at 9 or being within reach.
April 1st, 2016 at 5:38 pm
813bucboi
man dude, it has nothing to do with uf or fsu. i do prefer fsu over the uf but I just don’t buy into hargraves simple as that. I believe that leonard floyd has tremendous upside obviously you do not. I am glad you are president of the hargraves fan club that being said he is not a sure thing nor is any pick in the draft. It’s ok that we like different players it’s not personal so don’t get all up tight that you can’t sell me on hargraves I don’t believe in the guy.
April 1st, 2016 at 5:40 pm
@ Lord
So I’m assuming you are one of our new Defensive coaches? I agree that Mo Wilkerson doesn’t fit with Lovie’s defense, but in case you missed it he’s gone. We have a new DC who isn’t afraid to utilize the talent he has and play to their strengths. Even says we may show some 3-4 looks. Here’s the thing I don’t know who fits our new Defensive system and neither do you. What I do know is Mo Wilkerson is a proven talent in this league, better than any DE we may see at #9. Additionally, every player we are mocked to looks like a stretch at #9, so to me this is the best case we can ask for.
April 1st, 2016 at 5:41 pm
813
to be very clear., i have not bashed vh3. I just don’t like him for the bucs. i have been complimentary of him and have stated numerous times that he may turn out to be a good nfl cb…. Not liking someone is not bashing someone. it used to be ok in America to have a different opinion without being labeled a hater or basher….
April 1st, 2016 at 5:49 pm
@Tampabaybucfan … “You named off 9 players.” Guess I got carried away trying to figure out who might get drafted before the Bucs draft at #9. I’m convinced that the 2 QBs and Ezekiel will get drafted early, so we’re actually in much better shape than I thought. I’d gladly take Tunsil or Stanley, Bosa or Buckner, Ramsey or Myles. But given a choice I’d take Ramsey.
April 1st, 2016 at 5:52 pm
Tom
Fun fact: it’s reported that Jerry Rice ran a 4.71 40 time.
April 1st, 2016 at 5:58 pm
@ Defense Rules
Any one of those players would be a good choice at #9……and there may be a surprise pick earlier freeing up another one….so, yes we are in pretty good shape.
I don’t think Ramsey will be there but Myles or Buckner might.
April 1st, 2016 at 6:41 pm
I think licht screwed us by not resigning carter. Now we gotta spend a high draft pick on a lb. my ideal would be de and wr first 2 picks. Then safety and cb. There are good db later in mid rounds according to what I read. Josh Norman was a 4th rd pick.
April 1st, 2016 at 6:56 pm
I’ve heard and read a lot about the depth at DE in this year’s draft (mainly from this here website). I’m no draftnik, so I’m happy to take the word of people who get paid to make those kinds of evaluations.
But I’ll tell y’all something interesting I think I’ve noticed: in all this talk about loads of DE talent in this draft, I don’t think I’ve heard a lot about any of these guys being great pass-rushers, specifically. Now, they might be, but I can’t say as I’ve heard much chatter about it. I’d think that with that specific skill being such a desperate need in today’s NFL, if any of these guys were amazing at it, we’d be hearing about it all day long.
So, here’s what I’m thinking: It isn’t that we need a DE, specifically. What we need is a legitimate pass-rushing threat – that doesn’t necessarily mean it has to be a DE. Mike Smith has said here and there that we can look forward to more 3-4 formations than we’re used to seeing around here. So, maybe Licht isn’t looking at any of these DEs in the earliest rounds. Maybe he’s looking at a 3-4 LB who’s a beast of a pass-rusher.
In likely passing situations, we could go to a 3-4 alignment where we could have Ayers and J. Smith bookend McCoy; LVD, Alexander, and D. Smith at the second level; and have our primary pass-rushing threat be a high draft choice who gets to pick which gap he wants to shoot from the LB spot.
I’m not saying that’s what’s going to happen. I’m just saying I wouldn’t be surprised.
April 1st, 2016 at 7:49 pm
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again
If we are counting on a rookie to provide our pass rush next year we are SCREWED. Look up the rookie leaders in sacks last year. The top was some guy I’ve never heard of on the Skins with 8. The top first rounder was Bud Dupree, a 3-4 OLB who had 4.
Look at the stats from the best pass rushers in the game today and their rookie stats
JJ Watt — 4.5 sacks his rookie yr
Khalil Mack — 3 sacks his rookie yr
Ezekiel Ansah — 8 sacks his rookie year
The one exception is Von Miller who had 10.5 his rookie yr. There will not be a Von Miller sitting there at pick #9.
That’s not to say we shouldn’t snag a DE at 9 if there’s a guy we like. But it’s going to be at least 2 yrs before we get the production we crave out of him. I hate to say it, but next yr our pass rush is going to have to come from Robert Ayers, Gerald McCoy, William Gholston and Jacquies Smith. That’s just the way it is.
April 1st, 2016 at 8:11 pm
@DB 55:
Yeah, you picked the ONE GUY out of 10,000 who ran that slow…..find me five more, if you can…..don’t think so.
It’s like saying OH, why don’t we find a Tom Brady in the sixth round…..but in today’s NFL, tight ends are faster than that if you haven’t noticed….
April 1st, 2016 at 8:18 pm
Brent bull/buc Says:
April 1st, 2016 at 6:41 pm
What? Yeah, because Bruce Carter is so good that he still hasn’t signed anywhere and might just have to play for the veteran minimum somewhere. We signed Daryl Smith to start at SLB, and they were going to draft LB depth anyway. This comment makes no sense.
April 1st, 2016 at 8:38 pm
@Brentbull
The SAM LB is on the field maybe 50 percent of the time, if that. Nobody uses a high draft pick on a running down LB. C’mon.
Carter counted almost $5 million a year against the cap and he lost his job to a rookie during training camp. I don’t think he’ll be missed.
April 1st, 2016 at 8:47 pm
Tom
I tried to find the graphic from nfl network but I couldn’t. Rice isn’t the only WR to run a slow 40. There were 10 WRs on the list. Boldin was on the list, I think Keenan Allen was too. I wish I could find it but Treadwells 40 times doesn’t concern me.
Give me some time, I’ll see if I can find the list.
April 1st, 2016 at 8:51 pm
@DB 55
Treadwell will be lucky to go in the 1st round. He’s right up there as maybe the most overhyped players in this draft. Corey Coleman and Will Fuller for sure should both go ahead of him, possibly more.
If we draft Shaun Oakman I might puke. Absolute poster child for looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane.
April 1st, 2016 at 9:08 pm
@brent bull/buc
Several mock drafts have solid OLB going in the 4th, specifically the mocks have the Bucs drafting Kwon Alexander’s old teammate Deion Jones.
April 1st, 2016 at 9:19 pm
Gotbucs
I hear you, I heard that comparison before about Oakman. Idk what to tell you. Screenshot my comment and HALLA at me week 10 or so.
As for Treadwell consider that OBJ was the 3rd WR drafted in 2014. Look at Allen Robinson, it’s all a crap shot. There no single identifier to say who is going to the best.
April 1st, 2016 at 9:48 pm
If that is the case above, can we trade all of our picks and lock in on Myles Garrett next year?
April 1st, 2016 at 11:20 pm
I know I’m one of the few still in this camp but when you watch tape, Spence still really jumps off the film. Look at him versus Donavan Smith and ask if we ever want to see that matchup again. I don’t think he will fall into the 2nd. Trading back a few spots and we might be able to get him then pick him then trade back into the first round and pick up a Corey Coleman or Karl Joseph. He made big mistake and seems to recognize that, if the rumors are true Bosa was into the same things but refused to test, which would be automatic 4 games in the NFL. If you want to point to his 40 time, look at the 10 yard split which was comparable to guys like Khalil Mack. (1.61 to 1.56). All of the OSU film I watched with him and Bosa, I kept seeing number 8. His worst OSU game may have been versus Wisconsin but they were sending two guys on him most of the game. His 1v1s where still solid. He also seems to pick up sacks late in halves and at the end of games. I love that trait.
I’m trying hard to talk myself out of him because I don’t believe he will be our pick. I am trying to fall in love with Hargreaves and that has been tough. His ball skills are almost as impressive as his tackling is disturbing.
Dodd, I could care less that he is a Clemson product, my big concern is his small sample size. I haven’t watched a ton of tape here but will.
Ogbah is beautiful until you watch his game tape. His highlights are great (not as good as Shawn Oakman tho and he is a mid round pick) Way too many loafs. Stands up on snap and rarely fires off the ball.
Bosa, looks promising but doesn’t look like he will be a double digit sack guy. I don’t think he will be anything ever but a solid player. Has really good get off and disengages really well. Strong up front but all of his measurables indicate that he is destined for solid versus superstar. 5.0 sacks his Senior season.
Myles Jack…. Just wow, will be long gone when we pick but he is my favorite.
Floyd,.. Love him as a football player but he is way weaker vs the run than Spence and doesn’t have the arsenal of pass rush moves. Looks way better in a 3-4. Wouldn’t weep over this pick but I think that Spence suits us better. Watched a ton of tape on both of them. Floyd is a better Linebacker/Athlete. Spence is better with his hand on the ground. Pick which you want.
Stanley, we can argue that he isn’t overly needed but I wouldn’t mind this pick.
Jalen Ramsey, would pick him, think he’s gonna be gone, but his talent won’t really show until year 3. He’s not going to be able to play the nickel. Could be a walk down safety or possibly a lock down corner long term.
Treadwell, sorry no. Tyler Boyd in the second would be better. I just couldn’t pull the trigger on a receiver that is a 4.63 40 guy in the top 10. If we are gonna hear that 4.75 with an injured hammy on a slick field in 39 degree weather is too slow for a 261 pound Defensive End, you can’t sell me on a 216 pound wide receiver, running inside, fully healthy.
Deforest Buckner.. I could be talked into this pick but with the understanding that he is more of a true DE than an Edge rusher.
Ezekiel Elliot– would love this pick if Martin had walked but with Simms and Martin, you just have to pass.
Bottom line, there are no perfect picks at #9. Licht, pick the guy that Hayes thinks he can build. …
And regarding Oakman, as raw as he is, if you want him plan on round 4 at the very latest. His strength, speed, size combination will not make it to round 5…. but I like him at 4.
April 1st, 2016 at 11:41 pm
I don’t know if Dodd is the value at 9 but I would love them to get him. He has a non stop motor and is getting better and better. I think in 2 years he is the best DE in the draft and he could be had for a trade up on yo the bottom of round 1.
April 1st, 2016 at 11:51 pm
@salish, by all accounts he played well for us last year. Why draft depth when you can keep carter for peanuts and let him be your depth. Now we have to waste a pick. What didn’t you get? We could have resigned him for cheap.
April 2nd, 2016 at 12:03 am
You know what? I don’t think I’m even doing a wishlist this year. Whatever happens will happen in the draft. Licht has to prove himself now that Lovie is gone. He’s off to a horrid start in my book.
April 2nd, 2016 at 12:04 am
Brent bull/buc,
There are always undrafted free agents.
April 2nd, 2016 at 12:07 am
I feel a trade back coming for our Bucs… Nobody quite right for us at #9, but probably still a player or two really coveted by a few other teams. At first I thought the fact that this draft seems weaker than usual would reduce the number of trades;but I could see Licht making it affordable to go for quantity.
April 2nd, 2016 at 12:09 am
Denver demonstrated how to beat the Panthers, in case anyone missed it. They did it with a brutal and constant pass rush, not with cover corners.
Even Revis was exposed here, because of our lack of a pass rush.
In my mind, we take the best pass rusher we can get when we pick, plain and simple.
April 2nd, 2016 at 12:30 am
813 you might be able to appreciate this. I just made it home from kicking it wit the BIG homie SB,after having a conversation about VH3 I feel a little better about him possibly being our pick at 9. We both agree we would rather see a edge rusher come off the first but if he is there and if this kid has any Revis essence in him I’m okay wit it if the ideal edge guy is no longer available.
April 2nd, 2016 at 12:49 am
Nice breakdown tnew, I like that. Im warming up to Spence a little more too. But I seriously think he’ll still be there when we pick 2nd (because of the off field issues).
It sure would be nice to land a WR with our first pick if we could trade back though. But even then, if Coleman or Doctson is your guy and you know they will help this offense become the high powered offense it ought to be, then dont wait. Pull the trigger and then hope Dodd or Spence is there in the 2nd. I would even be fine with Dodd at #9 and trying to grab Spence with our 2nd if he’s still there. But then we need to go WR next. We need another star and Vjax may be on his last leg/year.
April 2nd, 2016 at 12:57 am
I love jbf because this joint so real. We don’t all and won’t always agree that’s why I connect with this site. If I’ve ever said anything flagrant to any of you it was said out of love for you and that’s what brothers and sisters do sometimes. We’re all Buccs at the end of the day. Its so many bad boys and girls here I’m grateful for all the insight I read everyday. To you all I salute. I’m signing off for the night with this it’s Skull Gang Red banner 1ball 2mutaf@$!in blades… GO BUCCS!!!
April 2nd, 2016 at 1:15 am
Haha, I hear ya Nole. It is a great site. I work so friggin much now that I cant participate like I used to. But I still check in from work and life when I can, just to read what time allows me to. Some people get real serious here and probably have the time to do so and argue their points. Me, I just speak what little I can contribute and can agree to disagree if it gets serious. When its all said and done, we’re all Buc fans or we wouldnt be here.
April 2nd, 2016 at 1:21 am
Now that’s real MadMax but I just realize something and wonder why no one has corrected me before. I’ve been saying 2blades but I’m looking at this Buccs cup my girlfriend bought me today and I realize I’ve been leaving out the blade that the banner is being held up with. D@$!, my I stand corrected. Its “SkullGang Red banner 1ball 3blades”. Be Max,holla back at tomorrow homie.
April 2nd, 2016 at 1:28 am
Lol, yes sir it is. I actually like the new skull logo….just still cant get used to the unis.
April 2nd, 2016 at 4:10 am
There is no way Kevin Dodd should be our pick at nine. Shaq Lawson is a better, more experienced, younger DE, who too will be there at nine. Neither one, just like most the other DE’s, are top ten talent. Dodd produced 59 combined pressures however 20 were of the unblocked or cleanup type. He lined up on the left side, only faced right tackles. Dodd only played 101 snaps in his college career before last year. He will be 24 years old when the season starts. His quickness off the line and ability to shoot the gap are what he does better than Lawson. Lawson’s Combine numbers were much better than Dodds. It is such a crap shoot with DE. There isn’t one I would draft at nine other than Leonard Floyd. If not, we should go DT or NT at nine. I hear the Bucs are sending signs that they are not interested in Hargreaves or Buckner for that matter. Looks like it could be either Sheldon Rankins or Andrew Billings.
April 2nd, 2016 at 5:56 am
Yes jerry rice ran a 4.71. Bo jackson ran a 4.12. So its not a huge deal. Im not a treadwell fan but throwing that out there. Id prefer a fast fast wr on this offense
April 2nd, 2016 at 7:17 am
@chris Apple
I read an arcticle that pointed out that Denver’s coverage in the secondary was the reason Newton was still holding the ball when the DE’S got to him.Even though that was one of the most impressive pass rushing tandems
I can remember.still need good coverage, interior pass rush and good liebackers.
April 2nd, 2016 at 7:18 am
meant linebackers
April 2nd, 2016 at 7:23 am
@madmax
so what is your take on Alexander.Alabama didn’t gain the momentum in national title game until he left game with an injury.
April 2nd, 2016 at 7:53 am
Cb william jackson just became my favorite cb in this draft. 6’0 189 4.37 40… This kid plays fast and VERY instinctive. Senior year 23 pass breakups! Not afraid to press or make tackles unlike how u see hargreaves and mackensie alexander shy away from run support. Could wrap up better but hes a huge steal in the 2nd if he makes it that far. Ot Stanley de shaq lawson wr josh doctson and cb william jackson are my favorites in the first. Ogbah plays with zero speed its frustrating. U dont want ur main pass rusher standing straight up with a half sprint to the qb! I’d throw noah spence in there too but would rather hope he falls to us in the 2nd. If no spence id consider kj dillon either with our second or a trade up into the 2nd with our 3rd.
April 2nd, 2016 at 8:22 am
Glaring weaknesses at DE and DB and some of you think they should draft a possession WR in round 1????
Sure. That makes sense.
April 2nd, 2016 at 9:15 am
If we stay at #9 I hope we go DT or OT. I like Jack Conklin because he can play LT or RT. I think he’s better Smith.
April 2nd, 2016 at 9:15 am
If we stay at #9 I hope we go DT or OT. I like Jack Conklin because he can play LT or RT. I think he’s better than Smith.
April 2nd, 2016 at 9:17 am
Man some of y’all will be pleasantly surprised by our cb play next season. Grimes a little long in the tooth yes, but he’s a freak athlete reminds me of Darrell Green and did it to he was 50.( Just kidding but you get my gist) Go back and watch some Titan’s film of A.Verner his 2013 pro bowl season and try and come back with that guy is not raw. He lead the league in picks that season. He is not a nickle back he is a corner. One can’t expect a man’s best when the guy running the show is choosing cats that you know you are better than over you. In my opinion cb isn’t a weakness at all. More like a strength if you ask me. Grimes covering 1 wr and Verner on 2s. We don’t need one but after rapping wit my homie SB I’m cool wit Vh3, and like Delson I like that Will Jackson.
April 2nd, 2016 at 9:39 am
Didn’t stop us from taking an FSU quarterback.
April 2nd, 2016 at 9:42 am
@Bob, Im a big Alexander fan. Ive talked to many Clemson fans and they noticed, like you, how teams stay away from him for a reason. And yes, when he got injured in that game, it changed things for Bama’s offense. I watched their DE’s more when watching their games so I wasnt paying too much attention to him at those times. But now going back and reviewing, I think he’s going late 1st early 2nd.
@Dave, if we’re picking #9 and the value isnt there for our glaring needs at DE/DB, then dont fool yourself into thinking we dont also have a glaring need at WR. Like I said, Vjax is probably in his last year if he even lasts that long. Why not go ahead and spend a high draft pick on his replacement? Thats also a glaring need IMO. Evans will hopefully fix his hands but we need a legitimate #1 or #2 from this draft in order to continue to take advantage of our 1st round investment from last year.
April 2nd, 2016 at 10:19 am
And btw, I still think Pharoh Cooper in the 3rd/4th would be ideal if we wait that long. But after watching what we’ve done in FA, and knowing we now have an Offensive minded HC in Koetter, I wont be surprised at all if we dont pick a WR first or second.
April 2nd, 2016 at 10:20 am
“if we pick” ….doh
April 2nd, 2016 at 11:46 am
@max
Clemson did seem to have a talented defensive team until the momentum shifted.I just didn’t get a chance to watch them ,Thanks
April 2nd, 2016 at 12:10 pm
I am having a hard time figuring out where our existing corners will play.Seems like they all play outside,cant see them paying vernor or grimes money to a nickel back.
April 2nd, 2016 at 1:17 pm
Rankins as our first pick and in tandem with McCoy will give us plenty of QB pressures and sacks from the inside and then we already have big DEs who can stop the runs outside and tackle the QB when he is flushed out of the pocket.
We already have some decent speed rushers in Smith and Jones who could play outside LBs in our DC’s three four with Rankins at nose and our big DEs on the outside, so we could wait to the third round or so for a promising DE for our Defensive Line Coach to groom. Get Neal in the second round for a punishing Safety who has the speed to cover deep and also can come up in the box and is a great tackler. Trade Glennon for a second round pick and use it on a fast WR with good hands and durable to take Jax’s place when he retires. Use Grimes on the number 1 receiver and Verner on number 2. Draft a FB with the fourth pick! Use fast and experienced Tandy who played CB at WVa to back them up if needed.
April 2nd, 2016 at 1:35 pm
Can you just imagine having both Alexander and our All Pro WLB as our inside LB’s with Smith and Jones as our OLBs in the three four described above when our opponent is facing us on third down and long and we blitz our inside backers and pinch inside with our big DE’s and loop Smith and Jones around the outside of their tackles and Rankins splits their double team and is also coming right up the middle. Grimes and Verner first push their receivers off their routes inside five yards and blankets them thereafter. I can see a lot of three and outs against that alignment and give us shorter fields for our potent offense to score and more time for our running game to wear down their DL.
April 2nd, 2016 at 2:12 pm
I see ya vision OwlyKat.
April 2nd, 2016 at 3:59 pm
Call me a Gator homer, but I really like Hargreaves, he’s got everything I look for in a good cornerback, good instincts, good ball skills, good cover skills, he’s has great character (Unlike that pinhead Spence, STAY AWAY FROM HIM!, too many red flags), and is a great teammate,
April 2nd, 2016 at 4:01 pm
I’ve been doing a lot of thinking about Hargreaves in the slot. I think it would work great for next year before dumping either Verner or Grimes if he plays horrible to move Vernon to the outside. If we had Grimes, Verner or Banks (likely both at various points in the season) and Hargreaves, we would have one of the better CB trios out there. Still have the worst safety group ever but one step at a time. I’m telling you though there is a lot of safety talent in the draft