Eyeing Ogbah
April 7th, 2016
Oklahoma State manbeast Emmanuel Ogbah is the third-rated defensive end by a respected website.
Yes, you know by now that Joe is eyeing the third-best defensive end if the Bucs elect to draft a defensive end at No. 9.
Why is Joe looking at the third-best? Because it is very likely two defensive ends will be drafted before the Bucs are on the clock. And with defensive ends being deep in this draft, Joe does not expect Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht to trade up. That would be pricey and unwise given the crop available.
So rather than looking at Mel Kiper’s weekly throw-stuff-against-the-wall board or monitor lesser guessers, Joe turned to the website run by former Jets player personnel director and SiriusXM NFL Radio head of knowledge, Pat Kirwan’s site, RealFootballNetwork.com.
It has Oklahoma State defensive end Emmanuel Ogbah as the third-highest rated defensive end, behind DeForest Buckner of Oregon and Joey Bosa of The Ohio State.
And, yes, Joe would be happy and content with Ogbah, the former soccer player from Nigeria.
April 7th, 2016 at 11:42 am
Ogbah and Spence seem to be the best pure pass rushers in this draft. Ogbah isn’t a beast, but I would take Spence if they are comfortable with his background / behavior. Hell is take them both in one were to slip to round 2.
April 7th, 2016 at 11:43 am
Sorry that should have said:
*ogbah is a beast
April 7th, 2016 at 11:44 am
Trade up to the first for Ogbah, although I doubt he falls that far
April 7th, 2016 at 11:47 am
In Howards opinion Ogbah is #2.
Bosa has Manziel Part 2 written all over him.
Okay, maybe I exaggerate, but I don’t trust Bosa
not to be party-boy or a locker room prima-donna.
Don’t know why, I just get that feeling (not really
basing it in on the Molly stories, again, it’s just a
gut feeling).
However, Howard has no real input to the Bucs.
If anyone can see right through draft picks its
Licht.
April 7th, 2016 at 11:54 am
I’m starting to like ogbah more and more but it’s hard to think we’re getting the third best player at number 9. Would love to trade down to 15 and still get him. Seems very similar in size and athleticism to Ziggy Ansah who also was a very raw prospect in terms of experience. Would also rather have a talent like Spence if his off field concerns check out. I don’t care if he’s nice or crazy but he should be more committed to football than partying.
April 7th, 2016 at 11:58 am
So why do so many “experts” have Ogbah rated in the lower 20s or high 30s?
Are they all that far off on his talent level coming out?
More than 80% of all mock drafts out there project Ogbah being drafted in the late 1st or early 2nd round with 4, 5 or 6 other DEs going before him.
April 7th, 2016 at 12:38 pm
Gonna be best DE in this draft, has the tape and numbers of 2 years of ball and combine numbers to prove it.
April 7th, 2016 at 1:11 pm
5599 my gut is telling me the same exact thing. You just had a bigger pair to say it first.
April 7th, 2016 at 1:15 pm
This monster has Greg Hardy size,ran 4.6 40,is raw,no off field issues,will be motivated by Nigeria being behind him and lastly will be coached up by Jay Hayes. The same guy that made 4th rd selected Geno Atkins a household name. D@$! I hope we draft him with the 9th pick I’m sold.
April 7th, 2016 at 1:25 pm
Joe continues to advocate reaching for need. No question they need DE, but Ogbah is questionable at the #9 pick if we believe most of the evaluations out there. With his documented inconsistency, disappearing for long stretches in games, I don’t see how you can pick him before the 20’s at the earliest. If Ogbah grades out as a top 10 player in Jason Licht’s eval, then I’m good with it.
April 7th, 2016 at 2:27 pm
Yeah, just home in on a specific position (DE) without regard to where that player ranks compared to other players at different positions (ie “the board”). Great strategy, you know, because DE is the Bucs’ only need and even if 8 DE’s are selected before the Bucs pick they should damn well stick to their strategy!
Blue chip DB? Who needs it? Difference-making, blow-the-top-off-the-defense WR? Meh. Premier RB who can take over for Doug Martin in a couple years and in the meantime provide the best 1-2 punch in the entire NFL? Don’t waste your breath. Franchise LT which allows Smith to move over to RT and maybe give the Bucs the best bookends in the business? Don’t annoy me with such fancy thinking. A Geno Atkins-like DT that can be the Culpepper or McFarland to GMC’s Sapp? Blah, blah, trenches, blah, defense wins championships, blah.
If you’re picking a guy who’s third or fourth best at his position in the top ten picks of the draft there’s something seriously wrong. This is something I’d expect Dominik to do, not Jason Licht. Top ten picks should pretty much always be the best at their position or at worst second best. Joe’s strategy of “DE or be damned” is ridiculous, to say the least. This is one of those times when I’m glad Joe is just Joe and Jason Licht is running the show wearing the big boy pants.
April 7th, 2016 at 3:03 pm
Ok, I’m done watching tape, my picks are for our first four picks are Spence, Tyler Boyd, Denver Kirkland and Matt Judon The only thing that I wanted that I couldn’t find was a high value CB or Safety in the third. I’m sure one is there and could be talked out of Boyd for a CB there and move to a WR in the third. Denver Kirkland isn’t high need but he will be high value in the third. Ogbah would have to slip to the second pick. His on the field issues are what bother me. Too many loafs and fail to compete for my taste. His highlights are as outstanding as his combine numbers. He could be coached up for sure, but he stands up too quick. Lacks the get off that I want out of our #9 pick.
April 7th, 2016 at 3:08 pm
Is taking a guy at 9 that’s projected to go around 20 really that big of a reach? I’d argue no it’s not
Last year we “reached” for a kid coming out of a DIII school in the second round that most had projected going in round 4 or 5. Is anyone talking about that now? Criticizing it for being a reach?
For some reason in the first round if a team grabs a guy that mock drafts have consistently going 5 picks later it’s considered a “reach.” Maybe before the rookie salary cap I could have understood it being more of a concern, but with the cap now keeping rookie salaries at an extremely manageable rate, I don’t care about reaching or not.
If the Bucs look at Ogbah as a guy that is the best fit AND the best player there, then you take him at 9 and you never look back
April 7th, 2016 at 3:10 pm
Lol @ Fl BoyInDallas with the biting sarcasm.
Very good points. Howard Agrees which is why we may see VH as our new DB (Vernon Hargreaves, not Van Halen).
Joe gets a little emotional around the draft. Can’t fault him too much. He provides this great meeting place for Bucs fans with new posts every hour.
April 7th, 2016 at 3:32 pm
I’m glad I read your post before hand Creamsicle you took the words outta my mouth. You could’ve also mention Kwon I wonder how many of the folks round that are big on projection felt about that pick when it happen. Take Ogbah at 9 and folks will be pleased up the road. Don’t take him pray he doesn’t end up with a division rival.
April 7th, 2016 at 3:37 pm
And I will say it again “HE WILL BE THE BEST DE TO COME OUT THIS DRAFT”. Someone please cut and paste this so we can re-visit it in two or three years.
April 7th, 2016 at 3:41 pm
I watch this young man terrorize Jamies for four qtrs two season ago. Don’t recall him taking any snap off that night.
April 7th, 2016 at 3:42 pm
Nole-
Yea, I just find it interesting how people get so concerned about taking a guy a few spots before he’s projected in the first round but that concern completely disappears in the 2nd round and beyond
I’m not as sold on him as you are I guess. I really don’t know about him. The low motor thing kind of concerns me. Honestly I think I’d rather Spence than Ogbah…I love a good redemption story. That being said, In Licht I Trust (when it comes to the draft)
April 7th, 2016 at 3:45 pm
I feel you bro.
April 7th, 2016 at 4:08 pm
I hear a lot of naysayers on him…that he he doesn’t have a quick twitch. That’s funny because the dude is what 4.6? you have to have a quick twitch to get off the line to run a 40 yard dash that quick! He’d also have good mentors around him in Jay Hayes and Mr. Quick twitch himself, Gerald McCoy. Ogbah also criticized for technique….is that him or his college coaches, or the college game even? Remember, he played in college, not the pros and might have been asked to do (or not do) certain things that might not fly at the pro-level. As fans, we wouldn’t know what was asked of him without talking to his coaches. You also hear that he takes plays off. I don’t know if that’s the true, but that wouldn’t be tolerated by his teammates and coaching staff, and I am sure the Buccs would due their due dilligence in talking to him, getting feedback on his work ethic from players/coaches….just like they will for every player. Also, Mike Smith seems like the coach that has the balls to call someone out for loafing in film session….This dude could be the next Simeon Rice…..he’s got the size, speed, power combo to be that guy. Yes, he’s raw…but given time and coaching could turn out to be the best DE in the draft, and I am glad Joe is starting to hit on him!
April 7th, 2016 at 4:28 pm
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think this kid played organized football until his JR yr of high school.
He’s got a lot of potential. I was just reading Steve White’s breakdown of Ogbah and it’s a pretty comprehensive read. Short version — Ogbah is maddeningly good on some plays and maddeningly lazy on others. Can Hayes, Smith and even Jameis light a fire under him on 100% of the snaps he can play? That’s something that has to be determined through face to face interviews and talking to his college coaches.
If you think he’s an Ezekiel Ansah type — raw talent that can be a double digit sack guy in 3 years — then you take him
April 7th, 2016 at 4:38 pm
Good post feelthepower,I just got a gut feeling about this dude..
April 7th, 2016 at 5:23 pm
I use to get gut feelings…now i just get the gut.
April 7th, 2016 at 5:40 pm
Again Joe your are begging for the Bucs to Reach at #9 for a player that my be ranked 30th… Seriously?!
April 7th, 2016 at 6:14 pm
Steve White did an excellent breakdown of Ogbah on SBnation. I’m on board if he’s the pick, but he will need plenty of coaching if he is gonna reach his potential.
April 7th, 2016 at 7:02 pm
CreamsicleBananaHammock Says:
April 7th, 2016 at 3:08 pm
Well, it depends on the year. Sometimes there’s a dropoff between 10 and 20. In those years, the higher picks are more coveted. If there’s not much dropoff, then everyone wants to trade down.
If Jason Licht has a player rated as a late first rounder with serious question marks (Ogbah in this example), and sitting there at #9, he has a potential All-Pro OT, WR, DT, or whatever, you don’t draft Ogbah. You pick the better player. You’d be a fool not to. You don’t reach for a position of greater need when there’s a far better player at a position of somewhat lesser need available. That’s phukking r3tarded. Picking a lower rated player is like skipping the opportunity to improve your team more, and rolling the dice instead. I mean, if you want players with question marks, there’s 6 more rounds to roll the dice.
And I’m speaking totally hypothetically here. I have no idea what the Bucs think of Ogbah. If Licht thinks he’s worth the pick at #9, I’m on board, because I know it means they have a conviction about the player’s ability and upside. Certainly he has the physical traits, and I would love to see a DE drafted.
April 7th, 2016 at 10:03 pm
Howard
I feel the same about Bosa
I have a bad feeling about him.
I also have a bad feeling about Leonard Floyd.
If the Bucs believe the best fit for the franchise is Lawson or Ogbah at 9 then I’m all for it.
They’ve proven SO FAR they know how to draft.
April 7th, 2016 at 10:15 pm
I keep reading questions marks pertaining to Ogbah. Slow twitch and sometimes becomes missing for a duration of consecutive plays. I’m not an expert, all I know is when see bad a$$ I get a feel for bad a$$. If y’all don’t think Licht and co. have not reviewed the game film of OSU Florida State from two season’s ago again you’re foolling yourself. I didn’t notice a slow twitch or him missing for consecutive plays that night. Dude was all over our new shiny Maserati franchise QB all evening long. Watch that film and come back and tell me about a slow twitch and or missing for numbers of plays. Please.
April 7th, 2016 at 10:17 pm
I got one for you,put Ogbah’s production over the last two seasons up against whom ever you think should new drafted at 9. Then come back an holla at me. I would love to see this.
April 7th, 2016 at 10:29 pm
Nole-
This stuff wouldn’t be out there if there wasn’t anything to it. So, if he played a strong game against FSU that’s great. Have you watched the rest? I haven’t, but somebody has, and someone has seen him disappear for stretches. In the end, I trust that Jason Licht and his staff will have analyzed plenty of tape and gotten some insight into his approach to the game. Whatever they decide, I’m good with.
April 8th, 2016 at 3:17 am
#1 Florida State vs Oklahoma State 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt0thX-t3V0