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March 8th, 2016
It seems the Bucs and Doug Martin are not that close after all.
Despite a report that the Bucs and Martin were close to a deal, Mike Garafolo of Fox Sports Twitters out that there is a still a “gap” between the two sides.
@MikeGarafolo – Still a ways to go for Doug Martin and Bucs. Hunch was eventually he’ll re-sign there but there’s a gap to bridge. Still time. We’ll see.
As Joe stated just minutes ago, it is just common sense if Martin’s agent has waited this long, why not another 16 hours to see what the market brings? That’s just looking out for your client.
The cash the Jags dropped in Chris Ivory’s lap, Joe’s going to guess that raised the tide for Martin.
March 8th, 2016 at 11:21 pm
He had two days already to see what’s out there.
March 8th, 2016 at 11:22 pm
His agent can talk to teams and negotiate now. There is no need to wait 16 hours. They are already talking to other teams and finding where his market value is. I bet the “gap” is in the guaranteed money. Bucs will try to have him settle on 12 mil, but I’m guessing he is wanting 20+. The Bucs and Martin will find a common ground. And he will be a buc for the next 4 years.
March 8th, 2016 at 11:35 pm
Bye, bye, Hampster! Good luck in Jax! He is gone everyone. Light is scared to spend because the Glazers will not tolerate retail prices!
March 8th, 2016 at 11:46 pm
So far the Bucs have tons of cap room but have yet to spend anything. I know we are just getting started but don’t they have to spend some of that money? If so does anyone know how much they are obligated to spend?
March 8th, 2016 at 11:51 pm
Idk
March 8th, 2016 at 11:55 pm
A tad complicated but pretty sure it’s 89 percent of the cap over a four-year window.
March 9th, 2016 at 12:11 am
@usfbuc
Our adjusted cap is just north of $160 million. So, 89% of that
Also though;
1) The difference in $ you have left between the salary cap max and what said team actually committed that league year can be fully or partially rolled over to the next years cap (which we need to start looking 3 or 4 years ahead and specifically Jameis Winston’s lucrative contract he will most likely receive. For example say this year we only spend $155 million of the $161 million salary cap, then we could roll $6 million over to next year…so if next year’s cap is set at say $160 million, then our “adjusted” cap would actually be $166 million if we decided to roll it completely over.
2) Conversely though, the league as an average has to spend 95% of the cap or the difference in $ if less actually goes directly back to the players, except you’re not actually getting a tangible player for that $!
March 9th, 2016 at 12:12 am
I just read that Minnesota released Moke Wallace the other day…I think i remember hearing awhile back that he was a bit of a headache, but as i also remember the dude has game breaking speed. With the hole at wide reciever why not bring in a dude like that?
March 9th, 2016 at 12:14 am
@usfbuc
Oh, and before the acute amount of transactions that have transpired so far (i.e. Carter release, Tandy Signing, etc.) we had something like $103 million committed to the 2016 league year so far
March 9th, 2016 at 12:19 am
Big thanks to JGhoti86..you explained it in good detail..
March 9th, 2016 at 12:26 am
@lifeofabucfan
Not a problem…tried to make that as simple as it could possibly be put w/o leaving out details and all that jazz!
March 9th, 2016 at 12:29 am
You guys need to rejoice in the fact that Dougie will be back. Even at 8 mil it will obviously be a bargain.
March 9th, 2016 at 12:31 am
So goes Florio’s 4 mil number.
_Florio downs two fingers of dewars
March 9th, 2016 at 12:35 am
short:
*Big time* headache which is why he’s gone through three teams in four years.
Don’t think the Bucs want that guy anywhere near Jameis.
March 9th, 2016 at 12:40 am
See what the market brings? The last 2 days have been for gaging the market. Martin’s value starts declining as soon as the bell rings tomorrow.
March 9th, 2016 at 12:46 am
Fire up the Ezekiel Elliott train
March 9th, 2016 at 12:48 am
It’s pretty simple. We have a game of chicken going on between DM’s agent and Licht. If DM tests the market, he may find it much colder than where the Bucs are right now. In which case, the Bucs could lose interest and move on. However, DM may not find an offer near as juicy and will have to settle for less so it may be wise for DM not to ever let the 4pm deadline hit. Essentially, DM’s agent knows where the initial market for DM is but the whole picture isn’t there until 4pm hits. With the money we have available, I would expect a bit of overvaluing done on our part. It’s really prudent for DM to check the market but we will match anything up to 7 mill. I’ve said it from day 1, anything beyond that is too much. There’s going to be plenty of free agents including a couple nice offensive lineman that we can spend big on if we do lose DM.
March 9th, 2016 at 1:03 am
USFBUC Says:
March 8th, 2016 at 11:46 pm
FYI… Free agency hasn’t started yet. I don’t know what you’re reading but not much is happening yet. Jeezus, wake up.
March 9th, 2016 at 1:46 am
FYI… Free agency hasn’t started yet. I don’t know what you’re reading but not much is happening yet. Jeezus, wake up.
@seamonster
You mon-frère are the one who needs to awaken from whatever mighty slumber you might or might not be in.
There’s plenty happening right now. Deals being agreed to in principle, legal negotiating and tamgering (hence the last 2 days and current stage all teams are in right now). Just nothing finite yet. I think that’s what “happenings” usfbuc is referring to. He/She just wants to see our names linked to deals like Osemele is with the Ravens, or Jackson with the Jaguars.
Had usfbuc used the term “commit” instead of “spend”, you might have understood their phrasing and comment better. Semantics!
Also don’t forget that just because it’s not the 2016 free agency period quite yet, it is still possible for the Bucs or any team to “spend” money right now on players like Charles Johnson, Mario Wiliams, etc. So either way you look at it, I don’t see how you concluded and could insinuate from usfbuc’s comment that he needs to, “wake up”. In fact, if we are going to be drawing conclusions from anyone’s comments that reflect or refer to waking up, that just might be yours buddy. Jus’ sayin” 🙂
March 9th, 2016 at 2:07 am
^^ Well, I disagree. It’s all rumors until the contracts are signed and things are real. The rumor mill cranks out about 75% horsesh!t leading up to free agency. And what little has happened with players already free has not been of much consequence or concern. My point is that we should at least wait until the free agency bell officially rings before we start talking about how the Bucs haven’t spent anything. People are so amazingly impatient and catastrophize the slightest free agent rumors. Yeah, so I do think people should not be hypnotized by the rumor mill and the panic machine and instead pay attention to reality. I also think the first wave of free agency is the most overhyped period of the entire league year. The speculation is fun, but teams rarely make the dramatic improvements that fans yearn for by spending a bunch of money out of the gate. So yeah, that’s the other reality that fans need to wake up to.
March 9th, 2016 at 2:13 am
The other point I want to make is that we only know the stuff that’s been reported. Not everything going on makes it out onto the internet. I mean, so if it’s not on the internet it’s not happening? And if it is on the internet it must be true? Might wanna wake up on that one too.
March 9th, 2016 at 2:19 am
As of now more and more FA RBs are leaking their landing spot, which is giving the Bucs and Doug less options, for the 1st time that s week I’m optimistic Doug resigns with Bucs…
March 9th, 2016 at 2:30 am
Martin signs with Bucs, done deal 2:29am
March 9th, 2016 at 2:31 am
Bucs not done, they want both Mack and Schwartz, big $$$
March 9th, 2016 at 2:33 am
teams rarely make the dramatic improvements that fans yearn for by spending a bunch of money out of the gate
@seamonster
I actually agree with that for the most part, but that’s not what we were talking about. That’s a whole separate issue.
I personally think it takes balance with the balance leading toward the draft and develop side. Most of the teams to make it to the Super Bowl and/or win the Super Bowl and the most consistent winners all have rosters made up of at least 50% drafted players on the roster…and actually more in 60-80% range. The Broncos were an exception this year in my opinion with less than 50% of their roster being drafted and homegrown, but what they did smart in free agency was not sign free agents for need (that’s where you make the most mistakes I think). They signed Ware, when they already had Miller, Talib when they had Harris and Sanders when they had Thomas and others.
Back to the original discussion of saying nothing is happening though, that is just false. Not only is “nothing” a pretty strong word, but do me one favor my friend. Go to nfl.com right now and just glance at the headlines and news feed. Are you telling me nothing is happening right now and comparably to 2 days ago. There’s not a ton “officially” happening right now, although still more than nothing. But there are endless headlines and deals being arranged and agreed to in principle. And tomorrow @ 4 it will only get more frenzy-ish, with the officiality that you desire. Sh*t is about to get real as Keanu Reeves would say in Point Break!
March 9th, 2016 at 2:47 am
salish_seamonster Says:
March 9th, 2016 at 2:13 am
The other point I want to make is that we only know the stuff that’s been reported. Not everything going on makes it out onto the internet. I mean, so if it’s not on the internet it’s not happening? And if it is on the internet it must be true? Might wanna wake up on that one too.
You just proved the fact that things are happening and happening more than we even know right now by that comment there bud. You do realize that right?!?
Which is what you were disagreeing about in the first place silly.
March 9th, 2016 at 3:04 am
^^ Yeah, my point is that we don’t have a real idea of what’s going on, and to get our pants all wadded up over internet hype before free agency officially opens is the definition of insanity.
March 9th, 2016 at 5:46 am
Do you do anything in life with passion? I’m sure it’s incentive time for most this time of the year but at the end of the day what keeps me in my current job is exactly that passion. Most these days just base everything off the dollar which will one day fail us all.
March 9th, 2016 at 6:18 am
So Doug had a great rookie year, 2 bad years, and a great contract year. Is anyone else thinking, how this season, he came in to camp in the best shape ever? Was it the contract year that did that? I like Doug, but I do not see him as a difference maker for this team. I would take that 8 mil or so he wants, build up the O and D lines.
March 9th, 2016 at 6:29 am
@thunderchunkyPA
Do you watch the games? He literally has the ability to take over games. I think you are confusing elite breakaway speed with being able to hash an opponent for huge chunks. I’d take consistency over flash any day of he week.
March 9th, 2016 at 6:35 am
Also it really annoys me when fans try to diminish what he has accomplished. Being injured is a part of the game. It happens. I can’t even think of a RB that has been healthy every single year of his career. And no one has EVER questioned his work ethic. So being critical of a guy who comes into camp in better shape than the next year is really unfounded.
March 9th, 2016 at 6:48 am
^____ ding ding ding ding!! And the fact that every lineman in the league can catch him in open field…Id be glad if he goes down the rd.hes been part of a loosing culture atound here and we need to change that
March 9th, 2016 at 7:43 am
@salish
So your a jerk, cool, also it’s, “don’t get your panties all in a bunch”.
The point of my post was to find out approximately how much money the Bucs were required to spend. Some of that will go to rookies but for the Bucs to have that much space between their current salaries and the salary floor created by the CBA then we should be hearing something, especially in the DE market which basically just dried up.
The stuff we are hearing about is rumor inasmuch as they were unable to sign the contract yet. When players and their agents are talking specific contract lengths and dollar amounts it is less rumor and more fact.
@everyone else who contributed something useful in response to my post
Thank you! I had heard something about a floor just didn’t know the percent. I’m sure it’s more complicated still than just a concrete figure but still nice to know that we have a ton of money we have to spend. It tells me we will be hearing something.
March 9th, 2016 at 7:59 am
@CHRomally
that is BS and you know it.pound for pound he is one of the best runners in the league between the tackles,and he isn’t part of the problem here.Bad free agency moves and coaching would be high on the list.Lovie liked to tinker with the roster and usually made it worse.
March 9th, 2016 at 8:20 am
My man Ricky Stroud just reported that the BUCS are closing in on a deal with Dougy for around 7 mill a year. DOUGY IS COMING BACK BABY!!!!
March 9th, 2016 at 8:30 am
What some of u people write is just UNBELIEVABLE. It seems no matter how good a player performs and how hard he busts his assistant you will always.find something to complain about and pick him apart. I’m starting to wonder if some of u are really BUC fans cause it sure doesn’t sound like it. 2nd best rusher in the league, all pro pro bowler, leads the league in broken tackles and ur still complaining on how he’s not worth resigning? Seriously what more can he do to satisfy you ppl? He’s not good enough because he doesn’t have break away speed. Cmon now, if he had that he would be the perfect RB and NO ONE IS. be happy with what u got Because u dont realize what u have until it’s gone.
March 9th, 2016 at 8:37 am
@buc4life. AMEN!
March 9th, 2016 at 10:16 am
Lovaoe coached scared and now Licht is scared of signing anyone. It sucks to be a fan of this team
March 9th, 2016 at 10:43 am
@bucs4life
Thank youuu. I’m glad to see that there are some adults in here. If Licht can pull this Martin signing off I will have regained confidence in this organization.