Regret!
March 30th, 2016
Since the draft is less than a month away (it can’t get here quick enough), expect all sorts of stories of what might have been with the Bucs in drafts past.
Given the all-too-often miserable history of the franchise, the Bucs had many swings and misses through the years. Drafting Ricky Bell over Tony Dorsett is one (though Bell was a fine running back until he got sick). Not listening to Bo Jackson is another.
Drafting Cadillac Williams over Aaron Rodgers? Well, Cadillac was really good until he blew out both of his knees in his third (right knee) and fourth (left knee) seasons. Some 11 years later, Rodgers is still ripping apart the NFL. You get Joe’s drift, here.
Looking at NFL draft history, good guy Vinnie Iyer of The Sporting News names a biggest regret for every NFL team. In Iyer’s eyes, none of the aforementioned transactions makes the cut for the Bucs. Rather, it was passing on linebacker Luke Kuechly.
The pick: S Mark Barron, No. 7 overall in 2012
The miss: ILB Luke Kuechly, No. 9 to Panthers
The Buccaneers have made many regrettable picks on defense over the years. This recent whiff should begin to sting a little bit more. Barron, out of Alabama, was seen as a playmaking thumper with the potential of becoming the next John Lynch. But at the same time, Tampa Bay really needed a stud middle linebacker, and was attached to taking Kuechly in several mock drafts. Instead, Barron had one semi-decent season before becoming trade bait, while Kuechly now dominates for the Bucs’ division-winning rivals in Carolina.
In Joe’s mind, picking Barron wasn’t so horrible. What happened after the Bucs drafted him is what was horrible.
What gets Joe is the Bucs had an alleged defensive guru as a coach, who had such an erection for his beloved scheme, and couldn’t or wouldn’t figure how to utilize the talents of the guys on his roster. As a result, Barron became yard waste.
Picked up by a guy who knows something about defense (but nothing about offense), Jeff Fisher, the Rams head coach turned Barron not just into an outside linebacker, but a 100-tackle-a-season linebacker!
Just last month at the NFL Scouting Combine, Joe asked Fisher if he saw something on Barron’s Bucs tape that led him to believe he could be a linebacker and Fisher said he did. So why couldn’t you-know-who see this of the same guy already on his roster, the coach who saw him on the practice field every friggin’ day?
Or was it the simple fact you-know-who didn’t want to see what Barron could do outside of playing in this precious my-way-or-the-highway, 70-percent-completion-percentage-pass-defense scheme?
Now that is what frosts Joe!
March 30th, 2016 at 12:38 pm
ironically, 6 or 7 years after raheem morris disastrously thought that an average safety (jermaine phillips) could be an excellent linebacker, lovie smith comes along and disastrously fails to realize that his average safety would make an excellent linebacker
March 30th, 2016 at 12:40 pm
Joe is on Fire today!!!!! Keep’m coming Joe!
Btw that’s why I think trading Glennon for a draft pick is terrible. If we can miss with the 7th overall pick what makes you think we’ll hit on a 3rd-5th round pick?
Btw that last para was pure gold.
March 30th, 2016 at 12:40 pm
that’s draft was a little tricky…that season we needed a lb and a safety…I was for barron because I thought he would be something similar to lynch or brian dawkins…I also loved what luke did at bc and wanted him as well…I didn’t mind either player…I don’t reget drafting barron, I just reget not putting him in the position to succeed like jeff fisher has…but imagine…lvd-luke-kwon as our lb’s…GO BUCS!!!
March 30th, 2016 at 12:43 pm
@pick6…you make an excellent point…GO BUCS!!!
March 30th, 2016 at 12:49 pm
With that mentality, may as well go all George Allen and trade away every draft pick.
March 30th, 2016 at 12:58 pm
joe relax… give lovie one more year and they would have been on the verge of 69% completion percentage…
March 30th, 2016 at 1:03 pm
But on the good side, that trade got us Marpet and Kwon.
March 30th, 2016 at 1:05 pm
STILL providing cover for the “rockstar” eh Joe?
Picking Barron over Kuechly may not have been the stupidest draft decision in Bucs history – but boy is it right up there.
Gaines Adams over Adrian Peterson comes to mind as another recent very bad draft day decision.
Dom and Bruce Allen had a lot in common. Both were very bad General Managers when it came to identifying and acquiring talent. Which is exactly why the Bucs have mostly sucked for the last 12 years. (Well that and the Glazers REFUSAL to spend $ for the first 8 of those 12 years).
March 30th, 2016 at 1:12 pm
Why thank you sir for recognizing my genius and comparing my thoughts with a HOF coach. You’re a good man too.
March 30th, 2016 at 1:13 pm
It seems to me the blame should be where it began…..with the drafting of Barron in the first place…….to draft a safety at # 7 who eventually becomes a good LB after 3 coaches is the problem. If you wanted a LB….draft a LB & Luke was there…..and I also don’t buy that we wouldn’t have drafted LVD if we drafted a LB in the 1st…..there is nothing but speculation about that.
Mark Dominick had disastrous drafts for the Bucs…….and, please don’t make me drudge up and post all of the losers….it’s too painful.
March 30th, 2016 at 1:18 pm
Yes @ Tampabaybucfan
March 30th, 2016 at 1:19 pm
Stop. So the Bucs were going to cut Cadillac Williams so they could draft Peterson? Right.
Your argument holds water if you would say the Bucs should have taken Patrick Willis instead.
March 30th, 2016 at 1:20 pm
Yeah, and not only is that why that (overrated) Hall of Fame coach got fired, it’s also the model of how not to build a team.
March 30th, 2016 at 1:22 pm
Please do, so long as you dig up Bruce Allen’s drafts as well.
March 30th, 2016 at 1:24 pm
So drafting a safety who can’t cover and was turned into a possibly-above-average, but likely overpaid 215 pound linebacker over the premier middle linebacker of the NFL wasn’t a mistake?
If you can’t count that as a mistake on Dominik’s resume Joe your infatuation with him as GM exceeds that of Rachel. He can do no wrong in your eyes.
March 30th, 2016 at 1:31 pm
Drafting Josh Freeman, for one. Joe didn’t like that pick from the moment he heard the rumors. Long-time readers will remember how Joe took a pounding from fans for being against drafting Freeman, and predicting his future bust.
Sadly, Joe was right about that pick. 🙁
March 30th, 2016 at 1:33 pm
So which player would Joe rather have, 215 pound Mark Barron as the strongside LBer for the Bucs or Luke Keuchly? Please don’t take too long to answer.
Also any time Joe wants to bring up Allen’s relative incompetence in drafting versus Dominik’s total incompetence at being a GM, I ask, which Buc era would Joe like to live in Dominik’s 28-52 5 year reign of terror with one winning season and no playoff appearancees or Bruce Allen’s 38-42 5 year reign of error with 3 winning seasons, 2 playoff appearances and NFC South division championships.
Again, don’t take too long to answer Joe.
March 30th, 2016 at 1:35 pm
Love this post, but hate the headline
Every single bad move this organization has ever made led to the drafting of The Savior, Jameis Winston. I am eternally grateful for the pain of the last 10 years that brought us America’s Quarterback
Regrets? I’ve had a few….but they all led to the path we’re on now
March 30th, 2016 at 1:35 pm
@Joe
And yet it was that very season that Cadillac got hurt and was never the same.
GMs that talk about drafting BPA rarely do it. It was this kind of bad recognition and reaching for “need” that caused Dom to draft Barron over Kuechly in the 1st place. Dom thought the team was good at MLB because Mason Foster had a so-so rookie season. So he decided to pass on a generational MLB prospect and instead reached big-time for what he thought was a dominant safety. WRONG!. Show me 1 mock draft that had Barron graded or projected in the top 10…
The best-player-available stuff is nonsense. It doesn’t add up mathematically or logically. You draft guys you believe can succeed in relation to others in the draft. Period. In fact, Bill Walsh and Jimmy Johnson regularly scoffed at this theory, two of the most draft savvy men the NFL has ever seen. Sure, it would have been great if the Bucs drafted Kuechly, but then it’s highly unlikely they have David. –Joe
March 30th, 2016 at 1:45 pm
Joe, please explain. You keep saying some fans have a bad mentality when they say ” well lovie did improve to 6 wins”, but you keep trying to compare Allen to Dom. We are not comparing the 2, it’s like saying well Mussolini wasn’t as bad as Stalin. We all know Allen was terrible, what some of us are saying, Dom was not very good either. I could have followed Allen and looked better. Dom had a couple great picks, but made a ton of mistakes. This is why he is over at BSPN, at not working at One Buc. You want a list? Clayton contract, Freeman, Bowers over Houston, Clayborn over Jordan, Barron, MY-LEW for crying out loud. Yes GMC, Douggie, and David were great picks, but I am do not see the greatness you do.
March 30th, 2016 at 1:48 pm
Here we go with responses not showing up again.#smh
March 30th, 2016 at 1:55 pm
Joe, since you are in the comparing mood, compare the “rock star” to Rich MacKay… and go…
March 30th, 2016 at 1:56 pm
Off the top of Joe’s head, Dominik may have had equal drafts as McKay.
Joe knows where you are going with this: It was Sam Wyche who drafted John Lynch, Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks.
March 30th, 2016 at 1:58 pm
Sorry this is happening. But some friendly advice:
Copy and paste your work and/or don’t use HTML codes.
March 30th, 2016 at 2:05 pm
I here U joe. But can U post it. Since you see it?
If not I’ll understand bruddah – just disappointing sometimes.
March 30th, 2016 at 2:10 pm
After I had already made 1 post, I tried posting – and then copy and pasting about 5 times in a particular thread yesterday Joe and it WOULD NOT POST no matter what I did. It’s weird because it seems so random.
I will give credit where it is due though Joe. I used to have TONs of varying issues trying to view and interact with your site. Now there are very few and they are infrequent.
March 30th, 2016 at 2:13 pm
Pickgrin
Back In the day it use to happen all the time. Most of loyal readers got use to it. For the most part the Joe’s corrected it. As it wasn’t that much of issue for awhile.
March 30th, 2016 at 2:14 pm
Yeah, let’s replay past failures to get the complaining class in an uproar. Fresh chum in the water for whiners. Panties in a wad.
March 30th, 2016 at 2:14 pm
The team was so understaffed and completely neglected by the Glazers at that time that any pick the Bucs made would have failed. Look how Barron is a legit star now that he’s on a real team. The Schiano Bucs may have ruined Kuechly, or at least tarnished him.
That said, my harsh and realistic criticism of the piss-poor way the Glazers ran this franchise ended the day they hired Licht (and then Licht hired Koetter).
Better days are ahead.
We’ve seen the Licht.
No more pissing in the wind as far as draft picks.
March 30th, 2016 at 2:34 pm
Joe Says:
March 30th, 2016 at 1:22 pm
Mark Dominick had disastrous drafts for the Bucs…….and, please don’t make me drudge up and post all of the losers….it’s too painful.
Please do, so long as you dig up Bruce Allen’s drafts as well.
Bruce Allen’s drafts are irrelevant to the topic…….Barron vs Kuechly
2009 Freeman, Miller
2010 Price, Benn, Lewis
2011 Clayborn, Bowers, Foster
2012 Barron,
2013
Out of 16 1-3 round picks…..only 5 remain with the team
I guess batting 320 is OK in your book.
No, I don’t blame every exit on Dominick……but that’s a pretty poor showing for 5 years work…….you can’t say the Bucs are void of talent and we had great drafts…..doesn’t add up.
March 30th, 2016 at 2:37 pm
Wait, the same team that hired Butch Davis as a “special assistant” to Greg Schiano two months before Barron was drafted and was on payroll for two of Barron’s 2.5 years in a Bucs uniform was understaffed? Really @HowardCosell The Bucs actually had more coaching staff than most teams under Schiano.
Mark Barron, a shade under 215 pounds (20 pounds less than behemoths Derrick Brooks and Lavonte David) is now the stud linebacker the NFL has been waiting for? Please tell me more NFL guru.
March 30th, 2016 at 2:46 pm
Dominik was understaffed in the first few years with Raheem. The Glazers gutted the front office when they fired Gruden and Allen.
Dominik’s draft history is pretty bad, but Allen/Gruden has to be some of the worst drafting in NFL history. They destroyed the talent level on this team…
But it’s all in the past now, and things are looking good with a strong front office and the best all-around coaching staff this team has had in many years.
Let’s no waste time replaying past failures. So boorrriinnnggg….
March 30th, 2016 at 2:50 pm
Why would Dumbinik draft both Kuechly and David?
He drafted DT in the 1st and 2nd round in 2010 and DE’s in the 1st and 2nd round in 2011…
Stop defending a bad GM Barron was a bad pick
March 30th, 2016 at 2:51 pm
Some revisionist history there, while I didn’t really like the Barron pick at the time because I’m a big believe that top 10 picks should be special talents and Barron was not considered at all anything close to a special talent, the Bucs had Mason Foster coming off a good rookie year at MLB. That’s why the Bucs didn’t take Luke and it really wasn’t even talked about much at the time.
The 2005 deal with Caddy is a much bigger offense because of one thing, Jon Gruden constantly running his mouth about his personal handpicked GM never used a high pick on a QB. Gruden ran the team in every single aspect after he got McKay fired (forced to leave) and could have selected a QB. Pre-draft Gruden played up Rodgers a ton, but he does this for every QB, but when it came down to it he wanted Caddy. Caddy as you said wasn’t a bad pick, he was a very good and productive player until injuries set in, but it was Gruden who passed on Rodgers. Just remember that when this blowhard is in that MNF booth talking about what he could have done with a good QB…
March 30th, 2016 at 2:55 pm
Rod Munch
Lol Bruh
If Gruden ran the team
He would’ve drafted Adrian Peterson (Rocket Backfield)
He would’ve traded for Jared Allen
He would’ve traded for Brett Favre
Respect your passion – but C’mon Man
Thanks For the Championship Gru! Best Buccaneer Coach of All-Time bar none!
March 30th, 2016 at 2:56 pm
You mad, tiger?
The Butch Davis thing was another debacle under the Glazers watch.
I guess the enlistment of Davis explains why the team was so good that year and why we had another 2-year wonder at HC in Schiano.
I have nothing against Schiano. He had some great strengths, but was by no means a top-shelf NFL coach. He was a band-aid.
All of this is of course, my opinion, but my opinion generally reflects reality, and the reality is that the Bucs mostly sucked under Schiano.
As a believer in accountability I believe it all begins and ends at the top.
Hey, maybe the Glazers will give you an “atta-boy” for barking at me for voicing an opinion grounded in facts. (Fact: the Bucs under Schiano were a debacle).
March 30th, 2016 at 3:03 pm
Also…
The Bucs were understaffed with Davis.
Either that or they were over-staffed with guys who could not get results.
Same result.
An understaffed company can be equally as bad as a company stocked with vacuous empty-suits. Davis may have some great stuff on his resume, but his tenure with the Bucs was exactly that: An empty suit. Money down the drain.
“And the Lord said ‘Let there be Licht'”
March 30th, 2016 at 3:06 pm
LUVMYBUCS – Gruden signed Tim Brown, Charlie Garner, a bunch of 30+ year old linemen, etc. Gruden got McKay fired after he woudn’t sign a 54-year old Andre Rison who couldn’t break an 11-flat in the 40, then hand picked Bruce Allen to replace him. Gruden talked up everyone constantly because that’s what he does. He always was going to take the other guy but something got in the way of the pick… always he was right, but somehow the team which he ran with an iron fist – he was a victim. He cut Lynch, didn’t even bother to give Sapp a contract offer, he benched Keyshawn when the team was still in the playoff hunt, he tried to make Rob Johnson the starter over Brad, there’s a reason he ran what should have been a constantly contending team into the ground and made the Bucs completely irrelevant.
March 30th, 2016 at 3:07 pm
AND….
Now that you brought it up: The whole Davis debacle ended up being a huge mystery. As I remember, no was sure what his job actually was. No one was sure if he actually did anything other than cash checks.
March 30th, 2016 at 3:12 pm
AND….
I’m never said Barron was the new NFL super-stud.
What I did say was that any player drafted by the Bucs in 2012 was going to an (at the time) dysfunctional organization.
Hey, the truth will set you free.
Thankfully better days are ahead.
March 30th, 2016 at 3:15 pm
-“The team was so understaffed and completely neglected by the Glazers at that time that any pick the Bucs made would have failed. ”
-“All of this is of course, my opinion, but my opinion generally reflects reality”
-“The Bucs were understaffed with Davis.
Either that or they were over-staffed with guys who could not get results.”
– Howard Cosell
It appears your ‘reality’ doesn’t fit with reality or you do not understand the definition of the word. While you are looking that up, I encourage you to check out the word ‘delusional’
March 30th, 2016 at 3:18 pm
@rob munch…I agree…chucky ran this team into the ground by not building thru the draft, signing old players, and cutting/releasing/trading some of the greatest players to ever wear a bucs uni…but it is what it is…
I regret us letting m.Bennett walk…that de position haunts us til this day…GO BUCS!!!
March 30th, 2016 at 3:20 pm
“He benched Keyshawn when the team was still in the playoff hunt”?
Lol Bruh
Once Again C’mon Man.
Th TEAM Captains Benched MESHAWN – They Voted the DUDE off THE ROSTER.
March 30th, 2016 at 3:21 pm
Also worth it to note that Doug Martin and Lavonte David were taken in the same draft as Barron. They didn’t seem to “have failed” as it appears Cosell felt “any pick” the Bucs made at the time would have. Keep working on that reality, sparky (since we are giving each other nicknames).
March 30th, 2016 at 3:22 pm
Good one, gramps.
I stand soundly defeated by your sheer intellect.
March 30th, 2016 at 3:22 pm
Gru WON this ORGANIZATION a CHAMPIONSHIP.
The Buccaneers defeated the Raiders by the score of 48–21, tied with Super Bowl XXXV for the seventh largest Super Bowl margin of victory
NUFF SAID
March 30th, 2016 at 3:26 pm
Let’s face it….Barron was a safety…..went through 3 coaches and failed at safety…..so in an either desperate or brilliant move….Fisher moved him to LB.
Wow….if Barron was a good draft pick @7….perhaps we missed out on Josh Freeman becoming a DE!!!
March 30th, 2016 at 3:43 pm
@ Rod Munc
You need to read sapp’s book. Gruden is not the reason Sapp was not resigned. It was Kiffin. Gruden was hands off with the defense and Kiffin said that Booger had “potential.” Plus Booger had just signed a big contract the year before. Therefore the bucs as an organization decided to move on from sapp because kiffin told them we would be in good hands.
Oh and when the bucs/glazers started being cheap, the team suffered. That is why Gruden was not allowed to trade up for Calvin Johnson hence Gaines Adams. Gruden wanted Brees, but was allowed Garcia. Gruden was allowed to sign Philip Buchanon off the couch when we obviously needed a CB. He was allowed to sign Antonio Bryant off the couch when we needed a WR. He was allowed to sign Stylez G White from the arena league instead of trading for Jared Allen when we needed a DE. It was not all Gruden’s fault for the collapse of this team. One thing is for sure, his X and Os was definitely the best we have ever had. He did more with less as oppose to some of our coaches recently.
March 30th, 2016 at 4:04 pm
This isn’t even close to the worst draft mistake. Had they taken Kuechly they would’t have taken Lavonte in the 2nd round. Not to mention the ammunition they got in return for Barron helped land Marpet.
March 30th, 2016 at 4:04 pm
You can go through and say the same things about numerous other teams. It’s too easy to do this after the fact after injuries and years of play. How about the amazing draft we just had getting 4 maybe 5 starters. I think getting a mid round pick for glennon is better than letting him walk and POSSIBLY getting a comp pick. I’d rather have another Marpet or Alexander than a backup. The season is over either way if Jameis goes down.
March 30th, 2016 at 4:12 pm
Why are so many hung up on Mark Barron being Lovie’s mistake.Barron was a high draft choice who didn’t workout at safety. He was not going to take David’s job and playing him on the left for that high of a draft pick and salary
March 30th, 2016 at 4:21 pm
Let’s get back on topic, since Dom will be in the hall of fame of Joe’s heart. How about the 1986 draft? Bo Jackson TOLD the Bucs he was not coming to Tampa under ANY circumstances. So, they draft him any way.
March 30th, 2016 at 4:25 pm
I really, really, really wonder what Miko thinks!!!
March 30th, 2016 at 4:35 pm
I could be wrong but didn’t that 4th round pick we got for Barron figure into our pick of Kwon Alexander…..
If that’s the case, I’d rather have Kwon at LB & his rookie contract vs….9m per year for Barron.
Anyone rather have Barron?
March 30th, 2016 at 4:37 pm
Hey Joe, while you think your rock star was as good as MacKay. You forgot some guys. Dunn, Ronde, S. King( lead the Bucs to the NFC championship game), Gramatica, Dexter Jackson? Also, Rich made great free agent moves like Rice and McCardell. Nice try Joe, I am disappointed in you. I know you love you some Dom, but come on man.
March 30th, 2016 at 4:58 pm
“and I also don’t buy that we wouldn’t have drafted LVD if we drafted a LB in the 1st…..there is nothing but speculation about that.”
Because that is convenient for you. This whole thing is speculation. Draft picks are speculation.
The odds are that if we drafted Kuechly in the first, we would have drafted a safety in the second, and LVD would be elsewhere.
March 30th, 2016 at 5:00 pm
The worst draft mistake was letting dominik be in charge of them!!!!
March 30th, 2016 at 5:22 pm
Joe Says:
March 30th, 2016 at 1:56 pm
” Joe, since you are in the comparing mood, compare the “rock star” to Rich MacKay… and go… ”
“Off the top of Joe’s head, Dominik may have had equal drafts as McKay.”
Now I can go vomit.
March 30th, 2016 at 5:25 pm
How the hell is drafting Bo #1 overall not our worst regret? He flat out told us he wouldn’t play for us. Even if he was bluffing, his heart wouldn’t be here. Could you imagine last year if Jameis said he’d go play baseball instead of for us, and we drafted him regardless? Picture that scenario. Barron, in retrospect, was a bad pick, but nothing like forfeiting #1.
March 30th, 2016 at 5:25 pm
DraftJameis Says:
March 30th, 2016 at 4:04 pm
“This isn’t even close to the worst draft mistake. Had they taken Kuechly they would’t have taken Lavonte in the 2nd round. Not to mention the ammunition they got in return for Barron helped land Marpet.”
Thee end. Nuff said.
March 30th, 2016 at 5:25 pm
Now there’s the Realist….with exactly what we expect….
I don’t regret we picked Barron…
I do regret he didn’t play up to his #7 pick
I do regret Schiano, Davis, Lovie didn’t see his LB potential
I don’t regret trading him
I don’t regret signing him to a 9m per year contract
“Regrets, I’ve had a few….too few to mention”
March 30th, 2016 at 5:32 pm
McKay had the luxury of drafting for depth and not for plug and play immediately. He also traded several first round picks during his tenure, so it’s hard to compare him to Dominik. Trading a couple for Keyshawn, for Gruden. Those add up.
March 30th, 2016 at 5:56 pm
Espo…McKay CRUSHES Dom as a GM!
March 30th, 2016 at 6:17 pm
Can you imagine how different this team would have been if we’d gotten David and Kuechly???
March 30th, 2016 at 6:19 pm
McKay didn’t do all that well at drafting. He had a few hits, and that was it. Most of the players he did best with were here before he became GM.
March 30th, 2016 at 6:36 pm
Buc1987 Says
“McKay CRUSHES Dom as a GM!”
I’m not so sure, 87′. How would you score the abilities of each GM (1 50 5, 5 being best)? Here’s mine.
Rick McKay
Contract Negotiations: 3
Trades: 3
Draft: 3
Free Agent Evaluation: 3
Salary Cap Management: 4
OVERALL GRADE: 3.2
Bruce Allen
Contract Negotiations: 4
Trades: 3
Draft: 3
Free Agent Evaluation: 3
Salary Cap Management: 5
OVERALL GRADE: 3.6
Mark Dominick
Contract Negotiations: 4
Trades: 5
Draft: 3
Free Agent Evaluation: 3
Salary Cap Management: 4
OVERALL GRADE: 3.8
Jason Licht
Contract Negotiations: 4
Trades: 3
Draft: 5
Free Agent Evaluation: 2
Salary Cap Management: 5
OVERALL GRADE: 3.6
Now, we could debate what skills are most important for a GM, but the average overall score outs Dominick ahead of everyone else.
Personally, I think we should do better than a 3.8 average in a GM. Hopefully, Licht will improve from year to year and raise his average.
March 30th, 2016 at 6:38 pm
Meant to say :
score the abilities of each GM (1 to 5, 5 being best)?
March 30th, 2016 at 6:39 pm
Personally, I think Licht deserves a 2 in trades, but I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt.
March 30th, 2016 at 6:42 pm
biggest bama fan ever and was so pissed when we traded up then didnt draft Luke.
barron was a 2nd round pick. huge mistake
March 30th, 2016 at 6:58 pm
Fun stats:
3 Sacks. 2 Interceptions. 1 Fumble recovery.
Kwon Alexander’s rookie year. Man…gotta give Licht props on that one!
March 30th, 2016 at 7:49 pm
Buccaneer Bonzai,
I’m sorry to disagree with your GM ranking scale. You have Mark Dominik as the best of the bunch and that just can’t be. Dom’s drafts, especially prior to Schiano, are what made us the “laughingstock” of the league.
Jason Licht is superior in every way and we are fortunate to have him. Remember, Lovie was hired before Licht, and Lovie’s stubbornness and handing out jobs to family are what ultimately did him in. Let’s see how the Bucs do this year. I’m excited for our season this year, hope is restored.
March 30th, 2016 at 7:51 pm
Kwon’s strip from Julio Jones was epic!
March 30th, 2016 at 8:26 pm
Imagine Kwon
Like
Lvd
March 30th, 2016 at 9:04 pm
Hindsight is 20 20. But a few picks we’ve missed over the past few years are, 2011 Clayborn over Muhammed Wilkerson. 2012 Barron over Kuechly and Fletcher Cox. 2013 lost pick for a 1 year rental for Revis. And is 2009 we picked Freeman over Alex Mack and Clay Matthews.
3 bust versus 5 stars. Could’ve would’ve should’ve. Imagine Wilkerson, Cox, and GMC on the same line. Wouldn’t matter who the other DE was. That would’ve been amazing. Oh well that’s life.
March 30th, 2016 at 9:12 pm
McKay wins hands down, but I do recall leaving us (for a division rival) in cap hell. I guess that’s hard to do with a winning team full of stars.
March 30th, 2016 at 10:45 pm
Espo says:
McKay had the luxury of drafting for depth and not for plug and play immediately. He also traded several first round picks during his tenure, so it’s hard to compare him to Dominik. Trading a couple for Keyshawn, for Gruden. Those add up.
Those added up to a Superbowl Win and previously McKay had a lot to do with putting together a SB contender. This is not even a debate as Dominick did nothing to help this organization.
@Bonzai
Obviously your rankings could be heavily scrutinized. They are subjective. For example, McKay a 3 on trades. I would give a 5. SB win. What more need be said?
March 31st, 2016 at 12:50 am
Rockstar was not that bad.
He made done good picks and he made done picks that everyone here agreed with and we’re excited about but they didn’t pan out – mccoy, price, Benn, Mike Williams, clayborn, bowers,
March 31st, 2016 at 12:58 am
And Foster, Barron, David.
Basically my point is almost everyone here was on board with the vast majority of those picks. Then in hindsight, when half don’t pan out you are all ripping him apart for making that pick. For example, everyone I know thought Bowers in the second round was fantastic.
Basically you are all a bunch of couch sitting, hindsight looking, psuedo GMs.
I admit every year – I DONT KNOW who will pan out. No one does. I’ll offer opinions but I’m not going to flip out because they got something wrong and I guessed right on someone.
Some of you made a call two years ago about a second rounder and hang your hat on it like that is proof you’re the greatest GM around. It’s pretty funny
really.
March 31st, 2016 at 2:15 am
Anyone that says Bruce Allen did a better job than Rich McKay should be force fed ebola… seriously, I mean that literally.
March 31st, 2016 at 11:47 pm
Worst mistake in recent memory was not drafting Aaron Donald for butterfingers Mike Evans. There were a lot of us that thought about Donald but immediately moved on because we already have Gerold McCoy. I mean when a 285 pound man can run a 1.59 10 yards split one would think there just might be something extra ordinary going on here? Nope, we get good old butterfingers. In the same year everyone was in shock over the next two pick. Austin Seferian-Jenkins and Charles Sims. Isn’t it ironic how Sims now looks like a steal in the 3rd round where ASJ is in a must produce, prove it, year. If he falls to an injury again this season ASJ will officially earn the title “bust”. The owner of the title “grand slam” still needs to show he can hit home runs in back to back seasons.