If The Giants Want Jason Pierre-Paul …
March 6th, 2016
Aside from missing digits and recording only one sack in eight games last year, Joe’s knock against Jason Pierre-Paul was the Giants’ apparent disinterest in re-signing him.
The latter was a giant red flag.
But now, per Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, the Giants are pushing hard to bring back “JPP” on a one-year deal. Apparently, the Giants are willing to pay but want JPP, who just turned 27, to prove his comeback from a fireworks disaster is real.
So that leads Joe to the obvious question, “If the Giants are willing, then what about the Bucs?”
Obviously, price is everything here. But if JPP, who had 12.5 sacks in 2014, is willing to play on a one-year contract with, say, a fat second-year option, then Joe would applaud the Bucs taking a shot.
One would think JPP would be pleased to return to Tampa, his college stomping grounds, and enjoy the fruits of Gerald McCoy’s labor on the interior pass rush. Joe also admires the guy’s drive to return and blowing up his hand, and his legs are young enough.
As Joe’s written previously, rookie defensive ends can’t be counted on to produce immediately. Joe would sleep comfortably at night with JPP, a top rookie defensive end, and Jacquies Smith and William Gholston rounding out the DE rotation.
March 6th, 2016 at 9:49 am
Jason Pierre-Paul, 27, managed just one sack in the eight games he played in 2015. Those who didn’t watch him will believe that he was ineffective, but that’s not true. JPP put lots of pressure on opposing passers. His hand issue played a part in his deficiency in run support and forced the Giants to play him on the left side, but Pierre-Paul will continue to serve as a dynamic pass-rusher.
JPP is one surgery away (which he has successfully completed) from getting rid of the club and wearing a prosthetic glove that will allow him to put his hand in the sand at RDE which is his natural position. He is still going to be a beast!
JPP could be the top free-agent steal in the suddenly crowded DE market. He may also be the biggest risk. Somebody is going to offer a long-term contract with stepped performance incentives. I’m willing to take that chance with the 3 finger discount, of course!
March 6th, 2016 at 10:12 am
All I know is, with all the cap space, and now a good chance Doug will not be back, spend some damn money. This team NEEDS a pass rush, Mario, JPP, bring in someone. Yes, you will need to overpay, but make the move.
March 6th, 2016 at 10:18 am
I just googled pics of his him and his hand….good grief! I dont think so. We didnt do so hot with drafting Clayborn in the 1st who was also physically limited.
March 6th, 2016 at 10:24 am
Macabee just won the internet for the day!
March 6th, 2016 at 10:28 am
A mock has Bosa falling to us. Lets go that route. Also isnt Chris Long going to be in play for FA? Yeah.
March 6th, 2016 at 10:34 am
Max…now you’ve got me drooling as I’m willing to trade up. I know other opinions vary on Bosa but I’m a Bosa guy. That’s who I want. So of he falls to us I’ll be dancing around the house on draft day.
Right now I’m stuck on Buckner though as I don’t see us landing Bosa.
March 6th, 2016 at 10:34 am
Chris long hasn’t played well in 2 years. There will def be guys there at 9 in the draft. We still need a free agent rusher tho. Preferably vernon, mario, or jpp. There’s a few more guys available who can play and in the next few days there will be more getting cut. Spend some money licht
March 6th, 2016 at 10:41 am
Hey 87, Im especially willing to trade up for him if he falls out of the top 6. Buckner or Bosa would be HUGE for us. Ive already said bye bye to Ramsey. He’s going top 3-5.
March 6th, 2016 at 10:43 am
Yep Darin, knee injury. He just had a baby and claims to be healthy now though. He could be worth a shot that wont break the bank.
March 6th, 2016 at 10:44 am
I’m getting more and more comfortable with the idea of taking a DT in the 1st round if Ramsey, Bosa or one of the OTs doesn’t drop to 9 and letting best DE/CB/S drop to us in the 2-4 Rd. This strategy would be much easier if the Bucs signed Jason Pierre-Paw in FA.
March 6th, 2016 at 10:49 am
Stan…that’s why I keep saying. It all depends on what they do in free agency, just like it does every year, but we get antsy and want to talk draft a little too early imo. We do it every season since I’ve been on the site. So I’m putting my chips on Buckner, but waiting to see what they do in FA first.
March 6th, 2016 at 10:59 am
I’m all in. Have been all in all along!
One thing though…this news changes some things.
There will be no discount. The giants are offering a prove it deal now. To get him to leave, a team will have to go all in on him, give him good money and multiple years…at least 4 years.
Like I said…I’m all for it.
March 6th, 2016 at 11:00 am
I’m hearing that a deal is actually pretty close between Doug Martin and the Bucs. The media heads are guessing. They know nothing.
March 6th, 2016 at 11:03 am
If Jason Licht wants to impress me, he’ll find a way to trade Glennon for a 2nd rounder.
March 6th, 2016 at 11:08 am
Yeah I agree ’87, I forgot to add Buckner to the ‘if they don’t drop to us’ list.
I enjoy talking draft early because it gets me familiar with all the players but it does seem kinda pointless until FA and everything shakes out.
By shakes out I mean there are some players were a little over rated early on. That why when the 1st mocks came out I still believed Bosa had a good chance to drop to us at 9.
March 6th, 2016 at 11:11 am
I would just draft Noah Spence and Victor Ochi in the later round. Both may not start, but can come in on passing downs. William Golston can play 1st and 2nd down. The rookies can start or not, but rookies can prove to be productive their rookie years. Just look at what our offensive rookies did last year.
March 6th, 2016 at 11:11 am
That’s great news Bonzai Re Martin/Bucs deal close. Where did you see that?
March 6th, 2016 at 11:24 am
Unfortunately Bonzai is just making that up Stan. There are no reports out there that the Bucs are about to sign Martin.
March 6th, 2016 at 11:28 am
I hope we stay away from Spence, but Victor Ochi, I hope we can get him! He looked great in the east/west Shrine game. 6’1.5 but has arms like a 6’3 guy, and fast get off. 3rd or 4th.
March 6th, 2016 at 11:31 am
Bring JPP in under an incentive based contract like he had in NY last season.
March 6th, 2016 at 11:40 am
BuccaneerBonzai
2nd rounder for glennon…. funniest post all day. apologies to macabee and his hilarious 3 finger disount
March 6th, 2016 at 11:43 am
Gonna be really hard get a decent free agent defensive end you say we have a lot of money, which is true, but so do a lot of other teams, now that we look unlikely to sign Doug, which I’m good with, who’d want to come here when you can go play for Oakland Jacksonville or Giants for more money, which all have more than the bucs and are closer than the bucs to contending, especially when you look at the weak divisions they all play in, we face cam Brees and Ryan 6 times a year, not going to matter for a couple more years we’d be happy going 8-8
March 6th, 2016 at 11:49 am
^^ this exactly.
Cmon Bonzai, your constant dislike and distrust of Jason Licht is getting old. Who in their right mind would trade a second round pick for Glennon? You’d be lucky to get a 3rd, and the reality is that it’s much more likely to be a 4th or 5th rounder. Brandon Marshall was traded for a 5th round pick…
March 6th, 2016 at 11:51 am
They have adopted a wait and see strategy on JPP to work out the kinks in his bionic finger replacement job.
March 6th, 2016 at 11:58 am
He ain’t got enough fingers to be a Flintstone!
March 6th, 2016 at 12:15 pm
Everything is about money before JPP blew off his fingers the Giants wanted JPP but at a discount now they see a guy with a hand and a half is still better than anything in draft. JPP should stick it to them and return to the bay area where he can wreak havoc with McCoy and Jaq Smith
March 6th, 2016 at 12:56 pm
I like your thinking Crusty Crab..
I do follow JPP on twitter..he’s such a positive man..and he saids he can still run a 4.6 and will be fine with the surgery..
Even with his poor mangled hand, I really like this beast of a player..
March 6th, 2016 at 1:35 pm
Stang you are becoming more and more comfortable with the idea of taking a DT with that 9th because something in your spirit is telling you that is what is about to happen. Mike Smith=ed John Henderson & Marcus Stroud , dominant interior linemen. Not saying a young DE shouldn’t be drafted but GMC is in need of a vet DE on his right and a fresh young bad @$$ DT to his left. My Money says that is what will happen.
March 6th, 2016 at 1:37 pm
Worst case scenario – at least we have a defensive line coach. With a long history of developing – productive Defensive Line prospects.
Defensive Line Coach: Jay Hayes
*Best Attributes: (Player Development)
Key Players Developed
Ends
• DE Carlos Dunlap – Second-Round Draft Pick (120th overall) in 2010
• DE Michael Johnson – Third –Round Draft Pick (70th overall) in 2009
• DE Robert Geathers – Fourth – Round Draft Pick (117th overall) in 2004
Tackles
• DT Geno Atkins – Fourth-Round Draft Pick (120th overall) in 2010
• DT Clinton McDonald – Seventh- Round Draft Pick (249th overall) in 2009
• DT Pat Sims – Third – Round Draft Pick (77th overall) in 2008
• DT Domata Peko – Fourth – Round Draft Pick (123th overall)
Note: Justin Smith – former 4th overall draft pick (2001), and future Hall of Famer. Speaks of Jay Hayes, as beeing an instrumental part – to his transition to NFL.
*We haven’t had a defensive line coach of this elk – since Rod Martinelli.
March 6th, 2016 at 1:44 pm
During Jay Hayes rather long tenure with Cincinnati.
The Bengals NEVER signed ANY – high profile defensive lineman help.
Yep he’s that good
March 6th, 2016 at 2:43 pm
Andrew Billings the DT from baylor. The kid is a Beast he’s a bigger stronger Aaron Donald. He should be our pick at 9.
March 6th, 2016 at 3:28 pm
bigranz55 Says:
Andrew Billings the DT from baylor. The kid is a Beast he’s a bigger stronger Aaron Donald. He should be our pick at 9.
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I like the thought process getting a ferocious inside push. Really do. But to me, he looks an awful lot like Akeem Spence. No?
BTW, I’m torn about what to do if Buckner is there at 9. Thoughts?
March 6th, 2016 at 3:37 pm
Regarding JPP, he’s never going to be the same and the mystery is how well he can still be. We’d need a team friendly deal.
BTW, proud USF alum here.
March 6th, 2016 at 3:48 pm
JPP has a great motor and heart.I wish him well. But there is a reason Giants want to sign him to a prove it type contract,and we should too.At the right price it could be a big win, with an incentive based contract.
I am also interested to see what Hayes can do for William Gholtson and Jaquis Smith.
March 6th, 2016 at 4:50 pm
Dag LUV I didn’t know Geno was a fourth round draft pick. Wow.
March 6th, 2016 at 5:07 pm
Yes LUV Jay Hayes is that good. I’m still surprise we got him. Bigranz I’m trying to get people to understand how dynamic we can be with a stud inside with GMC. My belief is it will take his game to even greater heights.
March 6th, 2016 at 5:38 pm
tmaxcon Says
“BuccaneerBonzai
2nd rounder for glennon…. funniest post all day.”
Well…it would be impressive…
March 6th, 2016 at 5:39 pm
TouchDownTampaBay Says
“Unfortunately Bonzai is just making that up Stan. There are no reports out there that the Bucs are about to sign Martin.”
Give it a few days. Then judge. You might be surprised.
March 6th, 2016 at 5:41 pm
JPP could end up being better than he was. No one knows.
His desire to push himself…you just don’t know how far it will take him. I have no doubt he will be great again, but it is possible all this effort and drive will result in improvement overall.
He is worth the gamble.
And if we don’t get him? Come next year all the naysayers will pretend they wanted him.
March 6th, 2016 at 5:43 pm
On the topic of Glennon for a 2nd rounder…
…I said it would impress me.
Think about it…achieving the achievable isn’t impressive…achieving the impossible is.
Like getting a second rounder for Gaines Adams. That was impossible.
And yet…it happened. That’s impressive.
March 6th, 2016 at 5:44 pm
Exactly Bonzai!!
I love following JPP on twitter…he’s so open about his injury..heck, it’s his banner pic!
March 6th, 2016 at 6:26 pm
BuccaneerBonzai Says:
March 6th, 2016 at 5:39 pm
TouchDownTampaBay Says
“Unfortunately Bonzai is just making that up Stan. There are no reports out there that the Bucs are about to sign Martin.”
Give it a few days. Then judge. You might be surprised.
Ooooh..I just caught this..for the sake of Peter, Paul and Mary…I hope you’re so right on this!!
March 6th, 2016 at 7:11 pm
Nole on Sat. || Bucc on Sun.
He’s a beast Bruddah
For a guy that drafted out position
Quinton Coples
Tampa Bay would be the 1st place on my list. If he comes in with goood intentions – Hayes could turn Coples into a quality, rotational end.
Speaking of development & players being drafted out of position.
I would call Indy, and offer a low rounder for Bjoern Werner
as well.
March 6th, 2016 at 7:47 pm
D@$! I love the way you think LUV Werner wit Hayes coaching duke would create a name for himself coming back to FLA.
March 7th, 2016 at 5:58 am
I would not like to have to face the decision if Deforest Buckner is there at nine. BPA if it is between him, Noah Spence and Vernon Hargreaves III? I know what your thinking, Buckner is a 3-4 DE and just not a good fit for us? Buckner could be the best player in the draft? He is often compared to the Jets Leonard Williams, that he is going to be better than him and his numbers last year support that claim. Buckner posted 67 total defensive pressures over the season which was nine more than any other interior player, and 17 more than Leonard Williams managed a year ago. Buckner’s pass-rush is probably his strength, but he’s a problem in the run game too. He recorded 36 stops against the run last year. Don’t worry, we don’t have to make the pick and you can count on Jason Licht not to pass on a player of this caliber. You can move him anywhere on the DL and he is going to take double teams off McCoy. The real issue is if we lose Doug Martin, do we pass on Ezekiel Elliott too?