“He’s Not Terrible”
March 15th, 2016
Esteemed Tampa Tribune NFL writer and Hall of Fame voter Ira Kaufman breaks down the future of a Buccaneer.
There’s nothing quite like a backhanded endorsement, like when drunk cheerleaders say they’d eagerly join Joe in a hot tub if it were on a deserted island and men were as scarce as boats.
eye-RAH! Kaufman of The Tampa Tribune gave that kind of blessing to Mike Glennon yesterday. “He’s not terrible,” Kaufman said on the airwaves of WHBO-AM 1040.
The quote came during a discussion of Glennon getting traded. A wise man, Kaufman would move Glennon in a heartbeat, he says, if the Bucs could score a third-round pick. “No fifth- or sixth-rounder,” he said.
“I would move Glennon before the year starts,” Kaufman said, before enraging the Mike Glennon Mob. “Winston gets hurt you’re done anyway, you’re done.”
Joe salutes that take. Glennon has little use on the Bucs playing out his rookie contract this year before trying to join a team that would give him a shot to compete for a starting gig — or at least a team with a starting QB older than him.
Kaufman says the Bucs should deal Glennon and get “a vet to hold a clipboard” for America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, because the acquired pick become would become critical trade-up ammo in the draft.
March 15th, 2016 at 11:06 am
Isn’t the whole issue that unless we got something good (1st, 2nd, or a high 3rd rounder) in a trade this year, we are better off waiting and seeing if he leaves next year, b/c then we get a compensatory pick?
Just what I’ve been hearing, not sure about the rule exactly…
March 15th, 2016 at 11:08 am
I agree. Glennon is a serviceable QB but our defense is not capable of winning games without Winston leading the offense… If our defense was better I would keep him…
March 15th, 2016 at 11:17 am
People say that if Winston gets hurt the Bucs are done anyway
I completely disagree. Let’s say we’re sitting at 6-6 and for some reason (I won’t even say it out loud so as not to jinx it) we need to turn to our backup QB for the final 4 games. Who gives us a better chance….Mike Glennon or Sean Mannion?
Let’s say we’re sitting at 9-6 and in the second half of week 17 we have to turn to our backup for a must win game….does Glennon not give us a better chane than any other backup we could get our hands on?
Yea, if we have to turn to him for a majority of the season we are screwed….but what about for one drive? One half? One game?
March 15th, 2016 at 11:24 am
CreamsicleBananaHammock…guess you gotta weigh out whether the high draft pick is worth it over any of your scenarios.
March 15th, 2016 at 11:26 am
We didn’t acquire & keep Ryan Griffin on the active roster all year without having strong thoughts if not plans to trade Glennon.
We need a serviceable backup but we need the draft pick more….if we can’t get a 2nd or better for him or trade for a player we need, we should keep him, try to sign him and if we can’t take the compensatory pick.
Actually, I think us getting a player in trade is more likely than getting a high draft pick because there will be teams with cap problems that may need to trade a player rather than cut him and get nothing in return.
March 15th, 2016 at 11:27 am
Agree sicle…. Glennon’s upside is likely no better than choker Over rated Romo among others….but given a few games, he might help get into the playoffs…. and it is possible that Jameis could go down a few games but not the entire season more than a little possible. I like Ira, but sounds like the generalization one might make after happy hour.
March 15th, 2016 at 11:32 am
Oh no JOE, I can see it now. We trade Glennon for picks and sign……….Josh Freeman. Oh the agony.
March 15th, 2016 at 11:40 am
Ok list some vets to hold a clipboard we could sign.
Good luck.
March 15th, 2016 at 12:03 pm
Tampabaybucfan Says:
March 15th, 2016 at 11:26 am
We didn’t acquire & keep Ryan Griffin on the active roster all year without having strong thoughts if not plans to trade Glennon.
We need a serviceable backup but we need the draft pick more….if we can’t get a 2nd or better for him or trade for a player we need, we should keep him, try to sign him and if we can’t take the compensatory pick.
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Well Said… I am not sure why it’s so hard for some bucs fans to see the writing on the wall with Griffin. Bucs had a lot of injuries and bad players on the roster last year they did not keep Griffin on the active roster to run the Scout team. Bucs obviously thought if they tried to stash griffin on practice squad some other team would have snatched him. Fellow Tulane Alum and avid bucs fan Shaun King also has stated that he thinks Griffin is the bucs future backup. I have watched some Griffin highlights and think he has a shot. We will know after the first few pre season games what they have in Griffin. Just because fans are not familiar with Griffin does not automatically make Glennon a better option.
March 15th, 2016 at 12:10 pm
If we were to get a first or second for Glennon, I don’t think there’s even a decision to be made. He’s gone. If it’s a third, that woudl be a tougher decision, although I would still probably lean towards trading him. Is that a risk? Absolutely. However, you have to take risks sometimes. If we didn’t have holes elsewhere on the roster, then he’s someone I would definitely try to keep. However, I’d rather get a pick for a starter at a position of need, rather than keep him for one year, a year in which you hope he never sees the field anyway.
March 15th, 2016 at 12:17 pm
To everyone pining for a 1st, 2nd or 3rd for Glennon
The Broncos just gave up a conditional 7th rounder for Mark Sanchez — a QB with significant game experience and who has been a part of two AFC championship teams. What makes anyone think we would get significantly more for Glennon than what the Broncos gave up for Sanchez? I’m not asking to be a smartass, I just want to hear why anyone thinks that Glennon would be worth that much more than Sanchez
March 15th, 2016 at 12:30 pm
Still think folks are underestimating Mike Glennon. Granted, he’s not the most mobile QB in the world, but he still has a lot going for him. If the right team picks him up, I think he’s got the potential to do for that team what Brad Johnson did for the Bucs.
People quickly forget that Mike played in 13 games his rookie year, threw for over 2,500 yds and completed 59% of his passes, basically the same as Jameis did last year. He threw for 19 TDs and only 9 INTs … not great, but not too shabby either for a rookie on a bad (4-12) team with not much of a running game and a mediocre OLine at best.
I don’t think anyone seriously expects Mike Glennon to resign with the Bucs as a backup QB when 2016 ends. He deserves at least a shot at a starting QB position, and surely his agent will shop him around big time when the season ends if the Bucs haven’t traded him by then.
March 15th, 2016 at 12:43 pm
Creamsickle
Was the 7th rounder for Sanchez compensation or a trade? Just asking.
March 15th, 2016 at 12:52 pm
It bugs me when ppl say, “If Winston goes down, you’re done anyways.” That makes no sense especially if you have a capable back up like Glennon that wont lose games for you. It’s ridiculous. No 1 player wins games all by himself.
March 15th, 2016 at 12:53 pm
Glennon never had a butt fumble therefore Glennon is > Sanchez
March 15th, 2016 at 12:53 pm
@SPBF
Now, if you tell me that you’d rather have Glennon than Sanchez I won’t disagree. But the Broncos & Shanchez deal have set the market. Maybe we can get better than a “conditional 7th rounder” for Glennon, but I highly doubt it would be much more than that
So I go back to my original argument. I expect this TB Bucs team to be competing for a playoff spot this season. And if it comes down to one drive, one half, one game, I’d take Mike Glennon over any other backup QB that we could currently get our hands on
March 15th, 2016 at 1:01 pm
Mark Sanchez 78 41 37 0 .526
Mike Glennon 18 5 13 0 .278
Mark Sanchez Playoffs: 6 4 2 0 .667
March 15th, 2016 at 1:03 pm
Mike Glennon is far better than Mike Sanchez. Silly Denver, you’ve dismantled your team in 60 days.
March 15th, 2016 at 1:04 pm
Kaufman is just another opinion. His statement that the Bucs are done if Winston goes down is laughable. I quit reading that downsized crappy Tribune a long time ago.
March 15th, 2016 at 1:04 pm
@Tmaxcon
Since you mentioned Shaun King…..you gave me a rare opportunity to use my disclaimer:
“Shaun King, one of two Buc Quarterbacks that lost a NFC Championship Game when his defense gave up 9 points.”
March 15th, 2016 at 1:07 pm
Ultimately the value of Mike Glennon will be whatever we accept or whatever the best offer was.
And….at the very least, his value will be a third round compensatory pick, essentially what we used for him in the first place.
March 15th, 2016 at 1:12 pm
CreamsicleBananaHammock, this is a 9 win team at most with Winston. If at any point he snaps a knee and Glennon starts throwing those are lost games.
Get what you can for him.
March 15th, 2016 at 1:13 pm
This is one of those situations that most teams would like to have. A high value first rd rookie who should do noting but improve his 2nd year, a back-up with all the experience in the world, who knows our system, and a project that must be good enough, because we kept him away from the rest of the teams. Ya gotta pinch yourself to make sure you’re awake. Basically while we all have opinions none of us are wrong (a rare moment in time.) Will the person who knows for sure if Winston will get hurt next year, and the person fully confident we will draft a 2nd rd or 3rd rd Super Star with the pick we get for Mike, and finally the person who truly believes we are not in an extremely enviable position regarding our QB narrative going into the 2016 season, please post the absolute correct solution. I think we should be discussing defense.
March 15th, 2016 at 1:18 pm
joe, somehow the system auto corrected my. Should be martinii.
March 15th, 2016 at 1:19 pm
Creamsicle- might be that Sanchez could probably be more successful at any other position on the field than QB he is that bad. Glennon has some experience on really bad, poorly coached football teams but clearly has a lot of potential.
March 15th, 2016 at 1:42 pm
Everybody knows the ceiling of “The Sanchize” is not very high. Glennon showed potential on very poor teams. His ceiling is unknown. I absolutely think he could win games on a good team, or even win games for our team if Winston went down. He’s definitely no star or field general though.
March 15th, 2016 at 1:52 pm
Ask the Cowboys if they wished they had a real backup like Glennon last season. Again, if management believes the team can win with Glennon (I do given the current roster) and this year should be a playoff year, then they’re not going to trade him (and should not trade him) without receiving at least a second rounder and proven backup QB. The competitive teams have solid backups at QB. Denver doesn’t win the SB last year without Osweiller.
March 15th, 2016 at 2:01 pm
I know Licht has been quoted as saying he looks 3 years down the road. A compensatory pick in 2018, which likely wouldn’t be until the 4th or 5th round at best, is WAYYYY less valuable than a 3rd rounder in THIS year’s draft. The strength of this draft lies in the middle rounds, and any player they acquire (either with that pick, or by using it as ammo to move up for someone) would have 2 years of development under his belt by the time that compensatory pick is made. To me, that seems to fit best with the plan of looking 3 years ahead.
If a 2nd this year is offered, or even a 3rd, seems like a no brainer to move Glennon. He’s a good soldier and will do what’s best for the team, but the kid wants a chance to start. He will likely cash in next year in free agency, as opposed to taking a modest contract to stay in Tampa as a career backup, our Jason Garrett as some have suggested. Only way he doesn’t get moved is if the offers top out at 5th rounders or so.
March 15th, 2016 at 2:01 pm
“like when drunk cheerleaders say they’d eagerly join Joe in a hot tub if it were on a deserted island and men were as scarce as boats.” – Joes
What?
This is about as funny at “The Situation” on the Trump roast.
Bad, just… bad.
March 15th, 2016 at 2:02 pm
The Bucs should take a 3rd or better for Glennon. They would get but a 5th or 6th round pick for a compensatory pick in 2018 unless he played all 16 games, made the probowl and signed for 8 million plus a season. The Bucs need to see what they have in Griffin this season, it’s difficult for him to get the reps in practice and preseason with Glennon on the roster. BTW you can’t trade or package compensatory pick to move up in the draft now. I believe that rule will be changing in the near future.
March 15th, 2016 at 2:04 pm
@Martinii- Your statement is hard to argue from an intellectual point of view. Trading Glennon makes ZERO sense unless another team is willing to part with a 1st or 2nd round pick. Which, lets face it, hinges on desperation. IF the Bucs did trade him for one of those picks, it would be to move up in the draft. And, to move up would require premium picks. Once traded, the Bucs would have to get a F/A QB. Now, if Winston gets hurt, I like Glennon as my back-up. As you say, it puts us in an enviable position.
All that being said, Glennon’s more than likely gone after this year and you still have the same scenario, the need for a F/A QB.
The correct solution is to do nothing and wait. If nothing happens PRE-draft, it isn’t going to happen.
March 15th, 2016 at 2:11 pm
Big Marlon B
great post… some people are acting like the bucs are guaranteed a 3rd compensatory pick which they are NOT… Considering playing time and post season honors are heavily weighted in the formula the bucs are only likely to receive a 5th or 6th round compensatory pick. No way and hell anyone is going to give up a 1st or 2nd round pick for an unproven backup with a 5-13 record and one who has not thrown a pass going on a year and half. I am not taking shots at glennon but facts are facts. Team executives are not going to sit around and make all the same excuses and justifications for glennon that some fans here do.
March 15th, 2016 at 2:11 pm
I think Licht is hoping to get more for Glennon during the draft…say if it becomes obvious to a team that the QB they want will not fall to them.
March 15th, 2016 at 2:13 pm
tmax…he actually has thrown plenty of passes. Just not in games. 😛
March 15th, 2016 at 2:45 pm
CreamsickleBananaHammock … Looks like Sanchez signed a 2-year contract with the Eagles for 2015 & 2016 for a max value of $16 mil (with incentives). My guess is Philly just wanted to move him, get rid of his cap hit ($4.5 mil) and was willing to accept just about anything to do that (he didn’t fit into their plans?). I wouldn’t automatically assume that he’ll be the starter for the Broncos though; he’s a relatively inexpensive backup if that’s what he ends up being.
Far as Mike Glennon goes, we haven’t even started the 2016 season yet. A number of teams have no decent starting QB on their roster, and more than likely some starters will go down once the season starts. If Licht wants to move him, and is patient, I’d be comfortable betting that he can get a 3rd (or better) draft pick.
March 15th, 2016 at 3:03 pm
Martin…you are right about having a third now rather than a third in two more years…..standing alone with just that. But if you add that we have a guy that Licht and coach K think can substantially help us this year should something happen to Jameis, it isn’t better. Now a second or first this year rather than a third in two years? That would be hard to pass up.
March 15th, 2016 at 3:29 pm
I think he gets a 3rd.
Teams like him and his price tag.
RG3 has red flags.
Fitzpatrick wants waaaay too much.
Sanchez… Sanchez!?!?!!? An afterthought. He’s irrelevant.
I think they get a third and possibly trade up to get the DE and CB they want
Or
They get a DE, CB, WR, and LB in the first 3 rounds.
March 15th, 2016 at 3:56 pm
All of you are mind boggling me. If Jameis goes down there is ZERO PERCENT CHANCE OF US WINNING A SUPERBOWL MUCH LESS A ROAD PLAYOFF GAME. so you trade him for whatever the F&&k somebody offers. Anyone who disagrees needs to simply use their time to read the articles and then study how things should be done. NOT TO MENTION HES GOT AN EXPIRING CONTRACT. Omg this is why I love the two, 3 guys that think like me that comment every day. Keep glennon ROTFL
March 15th, 2016 at 3:58 pm
By the way look up what pick we used to move up for lavonte. Then look up how we acquired that pick. Don’t care who said lets draft lavonte but the moves in that draft to recover not taking keuchly were incredible. And now that Barron is a proven linebacker…that was one hell of a draft. Not sure but gholston may also have been taken. Schiano I believe can do one thing in football well-player eval. His favoritism is the only negative of his player eval(ala signing every white Rutgers player ever)
March 15th, 2016 at 4:40 pm
@Broy
Is there ZERO PERCENT CHANCE of Glennon leading us on a touchdown drive at a crucial moment if we need it? Is there ZERO PERCENT CHANCE that Glennon can lead us to one win that’s crucial for our playoff chances late in the season?
March 15th, 2016 at 4:41 pm
Broy,
You gotta be kidding me with your assertion on Schiano’s racial favoritism. Schiano can evaluate talent, hence Freewee not getting an extension.
March 15th, 2016 at 4:51 pm
Schiano can evaluate talent, lol. Funniest comment of the day. Yep, that’s exactly what he’s known for. Teams are banging on Urban’s door trying to steal him away as their GM as we speak.
March 15th, 2016 at 4:59 pm
I don’t understand why no one wants to win if Jameis goes down. It’s flat out stupid. If Glennon gives us a better chance to win if Winston goes down why the heck not keep him? I certainly wouldn’t want the Bucs to tank the season if Jameis is out for 4 weeks.
March 15th, 2016 at 5:02 pm
look I would take JW or Mike but……. Glennon did put up better numbers with far less talent then Winston if you break down what his numbers would have been over a season.
Also on a different subject id take Schiano over Lovie as well
March 15th, 2016 at 5:34 pm
Hawaiian Buc,
Schiano developed a lot of Rutgers players who went on to be in the NFL. No denying that Schiano has an eye for talent.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/08/26/11-patriots-past-present-who-once-played-for-rutgers/
March 15th, 2016 at 5:51 pm
Destinjohnny
Woulda, shoulda, could of does replace the reality of 5-13… you list all credibility with “he put up better numbers than wibston…” it’s one thing to be a fanboy of Glennon but you sir are delusional
March 15th, 2016 at 5:52 pm
^^^^^ does not replace
March 15th, 2016 at 6:56 pm
Tmax I said jw was better I just said that glennon put up some good numbers with far less talent. His o line was awful Martin and vjack were hurt.
We didn’t have 13 either.
Tell me what is delusional about any of that?
March 15th, 2016 at 7:31 pm
Schiano drafted Barron moved down snagged the nfl’s second leading rusher then moved up to grab lavonte David. Look at Dominiks drafts with Raheem–terrible. First schiano draft—3 second contract players. What I said was he brought in all his Rutgers players most of them
Being white. The dudes a maniac. So before you start saying “my assertion” is stupid look in the mirror. Same morons who said we wanted Winston cuz he went to FSU. I live in Rochester NY and wanted Winston more than any other QB ever. I’m an FSU fan as well meaning I watched every game. Kids special. Mike glennon didn’t make a single ballsy throw. So anyone saying he “had better numbers” than a rookie of the year quarterback–oh yeah i value ur opinion. And bonzai I’ll say it again if u think we failed in free agency ur a damned moron. If it were up to you, you’d have glennon lovie and sign both Malik and Vernon to those exact deals. F-Ing moron. Thanks for being a bucs “fan” if u can call yourself one. I wrote and received letters from Malcolm Glazer when I was 11—my sixth grade teacher is/was his first cousin. He wanted me at his daughters wedding to meet the team. So don’t go saying I ain’t a fan. And atleast I have a clue
March 15th, 2016 at 7:53 pm
I hope everyone remembers that next year’s schedule will be (pardon the pun) a BEAR.
We should be dancing in the streets with a 8 – 8 record. A good base for 2017 when the defense comes around.
March 15th, 2016 at 8:10 pm
He’s an ideal back up, why get rid of him.
March 15th, 2016 at 8:14 pm
I’m always amazed how only Bus fans think Glennon is so valuble every year but other teams don’t think so!He was a reach pick at 4 and no on talk about him during that draft.We didn’t even know who he was until Schiano drafted him.
March 15th, 2016 at 9:30 pm
@Wesley
We should trade him because his contract is expiring unless Glennon has told the Bucs that he wants to be a backup the rest of his career. Given that Glennon is better than several teams current starters and he is a very good backup he will likely want solid pay which I don’t mind or more likely a chance to start someplace.
I think our best potential trade partner is Dallas. They have a higher third round pick and need a backup to Romo.
March 16th, 2016 at 1:01 am
I was not a fan of Glennon, I wanted the Bucs to draft Winston or Mariota, but this Glennon hate is ridiculous. He had a terrible o-line, a terrible offensive coordinator and an even worse head coach (in Schiano). The kid can be an average NFL starter given time, he wasn’t that far below an average starter even when he was playing. The issue is he’s nothing special, he’s just kind of a game manager with a bit of upside and he has a big arm. QBs like him stay in the league a very long time and generally eventually get some success. I did not want Glennon as our future QB when we had other options, but he could start for a few teams right now and be an upgrade and I have zero doubt he’s better than the zilch that Houston gave big money to. Also if you can’t get at least a 3rd rounder you keep him around, if say Winston went down for 6 weeks Glennon can start during that time and your season wouldn’t be cover. It’d be dumb to give up yet another season in order to take a flyer on a 6th rounder.
March 16th, 2016 at 10:22 am
Now that Johnny Destiny is gone……….what about Cleveland? They’ve proven they are still more inept than we have been. They are desparate for a qb and Glennon can give them a small glimmer of false hope and before they realize it’ll be too late. They chew up and spit out qbs faster than we do coaches. I’ll say one thing Glennon ain’t a punk, he’ll take a hit.