Coveted Mike Glennon
March 28th, 2016
Better than Brock Osweiler
A lot of smoke from various NFL chimneys suggests teams are more than a little interested in trading for Bucs backup quarterback Mike Glennon.
And if the interest is serious, Chris Wesseling of NFL.com believes Glennon eventually should buy Brock Osweiler and/or Bill O’Brien a steak dinner or two. Because the NFL.com analyst believes indirectly, Osweiler and BOB will make Glennon a whole lot of coin.
In a recent “Around The NFL” podcast, Wesseling makes the case that not only is Glennon better than Osweiler, who just inked a mega-contract with the Texans coming off playing a key role with the Super Bowl champion Broncos, but there is no logical reason for the Bucs to keep Glennon.
“I guarantee you that there are coaches in the NFL, that there are scouts in the NFL, who think more highly of Mike Glennon at $675,000 this year than they do of Brock Osweiler at $37 million,” said Wesseling, comparing the contracts of the two quarterbacks. “Even if you take out the salaries, there are scouts and executives and coaches — Glennon has a stronger arm. Glennon did it with lesser talent around him and he is more proven, too.
“Do [the Bucs] have the luxury of sitting on Glennon and losing him next year and pick up a starter on a team that needs starters? [If Jameis Winston gets hurt the Bucs] are not going to the playoffs with Mike Glennon and that roster.”
To hear the full discussion on Glennon, fast forward to the 22:18 mark.
Perhaps the Bucs wouldn’t make the playoffs with Glennon starting for a hurt Jameis, but Wesseling also said what Joe has been screaming about for months.
For example, the Bengals are already a playoff team so their backup quarterback, A.J. McCarron, us valuable to them. The Bucs, who have had but one winning season since the dark Friday Chucky was jettisoned in January 2009, have holes all over the roster, notably on defense. Trading Glennon for a high draft pick essentially fills one of holes.
Let’s see, trading a guy you hope never ever plays a snap for a guy who, if healthy, will start 16 games for years. What’s Joe missing here? Hell yes you trade Glennon! It’s a no-brainer.
Factor in Glennon walking after this season as a free agent, and trading him for a solid draft pick makes all the sense in the world.
March 28th, 2016 at 8:11 am
If we could trade Glennon and turn that pic into a speedy WR with good hands or a DE I will be very happy.
March 28th, 2016 at 8:12 am
Apparently Jason Licht is much more patient on trading Mike Glennon than many fans and sportswriters. Thank heaven. It’s quite apparent that Mike will end up being traded (and yes, most likely before the season starts), but Licht and the Bucs have no reason at all just to give him away for some lower round draft pick. His value can only increase as we move closer to the season start … potential starting QBs don’t grow on trees.
March 28th, 2016 at 8:21 am
Definitely makes a whole lot of sense trading him. He’s gonna walk next season anyway and the best we will get for him is a 5th rnd comp pick and that’s if the bucs don’t sign more than two players this offseason. (Wich isn’t happening)
Licht is playing his cards right waiting for the right trade. I Def think MG8 is better than Brock and has the stats to back it up. And compare the tream that Glennon started for vs. The broncos team that brock had. Need I say more?
March 28th, 2016 at 8:24 am
‘Glennon has a stronger arm. Glennon did it with lesser talent around him and he is more proven, too.’
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AND he did it with almost zero support from the Front Office and HC respectively. Joe once said in an article a few weeks ago ” Glennon is no Brock Osweiler” It is Completely the other way around. Glaziers wanted Freeman playing when Schiano was HC and Lovie wanted Stewart McClown playing when he was HC. MG8 has Never been given a fair shake here. He deserves better.
March 28th, 2016 at 8:31 am
I am on a trip from Montana to Orlando right now for vacation. Im in the ATL this morning. I sure wish I could sit down for a cold one with a few of you cats that have been hanging out here for years! Heck I would like to toss one back with the Joes. This will be the first time I have seen Raymond James in 12 years. I am kinda stoked! Not as stoked as I am for Panama City tho.
Go Bucs!!
March 28th, 2016 at 8:32 am
Bucs SB with Jameis Says:
MG8 has Never been given a fair shake here. He deserves better.
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+1. He’ll bring a good trade for us and he’ll get the chance he well deserves. I for one will be following his career. Don’t get me wrong, I love Jameis.
March 28th, 2016 at 8:50 am
I’m a little confused. If Glennon isn’t good enough to take this team to the playoffs, why is he so coveted?
March 28th, 2016 at 9:02 am
Hey Joe,
It’s called negotiating….your’e arguing with yourself.
March 28th, 2016 at 9:05 am
@phreaky………..Mental Myopia can be corrected.
March 28th, 2016 at 9:05 am
Denver on line 1.
March 28th, 2016 at 9:15 am
Glennon is probably better than any QB in the draft and some of the FA QBs out there. His value is only going to in increase. Im sure Licht will pull the trigger when the time is right. It will be before the season starts.
March 28th, 2016 at 9:18 am
Why some want to slobber all over Glennon is beyond me. He’s a stiff legged, big-armed quarterback that has AVERAGE tattooed all over him. He’s nothing special.
Still an average quarterback in the NFL gets paid. Good for him.
I went to a spring training game the other day. The Blue Jays put in a guy named Cecil in to pitch. He has a career record of 40-35, so he is the very definition of average. That guy makes 3.8 million a year. My point? There’ nothing wrong with average from the player’s stand point.
March 28th, 2016 at 9:23 am
with licht holding out, he must have a few teams interested or else he’d be depress….I say he gets moved the day before or on draft night for a first or multiple picks(2nd & 3rd)….hopefully licht could pull that off and draft the right players, fill our needs and we put some “w”s in the win column…GO BUCS!!!
March 28th, 2016 at 9:29 am
I’m calling this right now. The Bucs are playing hard ball with teams and waiting for the demand to peak so they can maximize value. Great strategy if it works. But, I have a feeling the patience will backfire on us. Sure, having Glennon as a backup isn’t the worse option in the world, but we’ll essentially get nothing for him (a 3rd round pick in 2018). If I’m Licht, I jump at any 2nd round pick offered.
Also, people keep mentioning Denver because of an obvious need. The dark horse, to me, is the 49ers. Kap wants out and behind him is practically nothing. Chip Kelly had a lot of success with Nick Foles and Glennon is a similar QB. I could see us getting the pick they end up with for trading Kap.
March 28th, 2016 at 9:34 am
My guess is on draft day or right before. We end up trading him to Denver for their 2nd round pick. Which we can either keep and get a player there. Or use it to trade back into the end of the 1st.
March 28th, 2016 at 9:36 am
It would make zero sense to trade him now.
March 28th, 2016 at 9:39 am
@dan…Im with you…I think the 9ers are a sleeper and this plan could backfire…chip did well with foles and Bradford 2 qbs that aren’t that mobile but can make all the throws…teams could say screw it, we’ll wait and play this season out…teams will then get better draft positioning plus a shot a glennon if they are sorry or figure they are only a qb away and over pay for glennon…if a team offers a 2nd round pick I would jump all over it…this draft will be loaded with first round talent in the 2nd round…GO BUCS!!!
March 28th, 2016 at 9:47 am
I like Funky’s scenario
March 28th, 2016 at 9:48 am
Joes, we get your point that if Winston is lost for the season (and post-season), there’s no point in having Glennon step in and win 30% of his starts. However, I have yet to see the Joes acknowledge that if Winston is out for a handful of games, having Glennon step up and win a game or two could save the season.
By preaching this mantra of “Glennon has no value to the Bucs in 2016”, it sounds like you’re saying the Bucs have no shot at the postseason in 2016. While that certainly may be true, this is the NFL and stranger things have happened.
The core of the Bucs will be in their 2nd-5th seasons, and most importantly, this will be Winston’s second time around. I think we’re all expecting a major improvement in his decision making and chemistry with the receiving corps. If Mike Smith can tighten up the defense by one touchdown per game, this team will be in position to win a lot of games.
How much value does Glennon offer as a bona fide backup during a playoff run? It’s anyone’s guess, but I think that value is more than other teams will be willing to offer in return.
March 28th, 2016 at 9:59 am
Props to Licht’s patience.
He’s playing the game for real, and not like Fantasy guys.
The longer he waits, the hungrier and more desperate other teams become, and the higher the fetching price.
March 28th, 2016 at 10:00 am
I think the obvious choices are either Denver or NY Jets. A Glennon for Mo Wilkerson trade makes sense on a lot of levels..IF they don’t re-sign Fitzpatrick…and IF the Bucs feel comfortable paying Wilkerson the kind of money needed to sign him to a long term deal. They could move Wilkerson inside next to GMC (at 315lbs he’s a beast) and get a rusher in the Draft…or if we get Buckner in the Draft you could leave Wilkerson on the outside. Then in Rounds 2 and 3 you get a good offensive lineman and a slot receiver.
OR….Denver. It doesn’t look like Kaepernick is leaving SF…so who else is John Elway going to go after? A rookie? 37 year old Josh McCown? Are they happy
going with Mark Sanchez? (I know I wouldn’t be!) Denver offers up their pick at #31, and we swap 2nd round picks…(they get #42, we get # 63). Then we target the best pass rusher at #9….a WR at #31…and the best Guard or Tackle available at #63(we could even use our 3rd round pick to move up in round 2 if there was really a guy we wanted).
Either of these scenarios would be a good deal for the Bucs and for Mike Glennon.
March 28th, 2016 at 10:06 am
No way do the 49ers go after Glennon. He is entirely wrong kind of QB from what their coach wants.
Frankly, I think the trade market for him is starting to dry up. It ain’t gone yet…but I don’t believe it will last through to the draft. At least not for a value pick.
Personally, I would like to see him traded for a good RT anyway. To me, that is much more important than a new WR.
March 28th, 2016 at 10:08 am
I have moved a little to the center of this ongoing argument. Where trading Glennon made no sense to me a month ago I suppose for a high pick 2-high 3rd rd might work. I have two reservations however. 1) Even top draft picks are a crap shoot. We have had our fill of bust in Tampa. 2) I don’t like this idea that whatever the scenario the Buc”s aren’t going to the playoffs next year. As a true fan I have to believe that the Buc’s are going to the Super Bowl every year. You can never give up that enthusiasm.
March 28th, 2016 at 10:12 am
Looking at this from another angle, it might make more sense (for Glennon) long term for him to stay in Tampa one more year. If we trade him, then some team will basically get him for a cheap one year deal. He will then become a free agent. Let’s just say he has a dreadful year. He’s not going to make any money the following year. However, if he stays in Tampa and holds a clipboard, then he hasn’t done anything to damage his reputation and he will undoubtably get a lot of money from a QB-desperate team. Obviously that’s not what the Bucs want, but for Glennon, it makes a lot of sense.
March 28th, 2016 at 10:35 am
“I’m a little confused. If Glennon isn’t good enough to take this team to the playoffs, why is he so coveted?”
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As Joe stated – MG isn’t good enough to take THIS team to the playoffs because of THIS teams roster. Put MG on the Broncos – or any team with what resembles a defense – and he will do very well.
March 28th, 2016 at 10:40 am
America’s Commenter:
The last backup to “save a season” off the top of Joe’s head was Jeff Hostettler. That’s been over 25 years ago.
Or Shaun King.
Pardon Joe is he values a guy who starts for 16 games over a guy you hope never plays a snap. If a decent starter (current or a draft pick) can be had for any backup, the trigger should have been pulled.
Last Joe checked, this team hasn’t won a playoff game in 13 years. It needs starters, not clipboard holders.
March 28th, 2016 at 11:28 am
i think the glennon buzz may be going to bucs fans’ heads more than any GM. his impending contract expiration is our motivation to trade him, but it is also a reason for teams to not give up their chance at a premium player. to give up even a second for glennon, you have to believe he is going to be better over the next 5-10 years than any of the top 4 or 5 QBs in the draft.
I always felt that Glennon had the makeup and skill set of a starting NFL QB, but even i have to admit it would take a courageous GM to sell that to the fans given all the hype around unknown college QBs (and their ability to delay your chances of getting fired)
March 28th, 2016 at 11:30 am
How long will you be in town SB???
March 28th, 2016 at 11:33 am
“If Jameis Winston gets hurt the Bucs are not going to the playoffs with Mike Glennon and that roster”. Who could know?
March 28th, 2016 at 11:56 am
I hope Mr. Glennon , stays a buc and does what he is already on record on joebucsfan as saying he wants to be the first Bucs QB to sign a second contract. If for nothing else than to irritate the Joes and his detractors. I wish him the best in whatever he decides to do.
Go Bucs!
March 28th, 2016 at 12:08 pm
This is a damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenario! There are a few teams that wish they had a capable back-up when their starters went down. To be fair, those teams were a lot closer to being playoff contenders. You can’t predict the future and therein lies the rub. Keep him, don’t need him, lose draft pick. Ship him, need him, draft pick is a bust……
March 28th, 2016 at 12:13 pm
You have to ask…..why is Ryan Griffin a Buc?…..Why did we keep him on the active roster all last year?
Glennon will be traded….Licht knows it’s simple supply and demand. He’ll strike the best deal he can and that’s not right now….will be closer to the draft or on draft day.
It is also very possible that we will trade for a player instead of a pick.
March 28th, 2016 at 12:32 pm
Mike “you’ll miss me if the savior gets hurt and I’m gone” Glennon should remain on the team unless a 2nd round (or higher) offer (or player trade + pick) is put on the table. You don’t just give away talent (late pick, etc) at (per Joe) the most important position in football.
March 28th, 2016 at 12:39 pm
The Osweiler deal has screwed us. Glennon gets traded one of two ways, with or without a contract extension. Trading him with an extension signed means a team will be paying him at least 10M a year. If you’re going to spend that much cap space on him how much more are you willing to pay in the form of draft picks? Probably not much. Trading him without an extension is obviously tough and whatever pick we could get is getting worse by the day. I think we missed our chance to get good value for Glennon, but who predicted a 7 game QB would get 17M a year? Thanks Texans!
March 28th, 2016 at 12:56 pm
I look at it like this … Would you trade Mike Glennon for another teams Luke Stocker, who was a 4th round draft pick in 2011? In fact a bit of googleing revealed that only about 11% of 4th round picks make it to their second contract with the team that drafted them. So if someone offers better than a 3rd for Glennon, its a no brainer. If you trade him for 4th or later, yours odds are pretty low at getting that solid 16 game starter out of an unproven draft pick. If we get a 3rd or 4th for Glennon and you end up drafting a replacement backup QB with a 3rd rounder, then what was the point? You could have used that pick elsewhere. It all depends on the deal Licht can swing.
March 28th, 2016 at 1:31 pm
Big Glennon fan but love JW, I would love to see MG go to the Cards and take over for Palmer, they wouldn’t miss a beat with MG.
March 28th, 2016 at 2:28 pm
Been a MG8 fan since he was drafted and brought here. He has never gotten a fair shot as a starting QB. Now that famous Jameis is on board, MG8 knows what’s up for him after this season. Koetter likes him and is NOT stupid (like Mike Shula for example). Unless Licht gets the deal of a lifetime that this young guy deserves, DK is hanging on to him for one more year. Why not, Joe?! Wild man Jameis gets hurt, MG8 will be ready to go. Go Bucs!!
March 28th, 2016 at 3:48 pm
@ Nole………I will be in Orlando from Wed night thru Friday night. Leaving Sat morning for Panama City!
March 28th, 2016 at 3:52 pm
@ Nole………my email is thelittleguys at live dot com if you want to try to hook up for a beer. I have never hooked up with anyone from this site in the four and a half yrs I have been here. It would be cool to do so once.
March 28th, 2016 at 4:51 pm
Out for shopping with the in laws so they can gain my acceptance. They better have DEEP pockets. Peace out Bucs fans
March 28th, 2016 at 5:08 pm
Just depends on what you can get… if you can get a 2nd rounder then it’s a no brainer, if it’s a high 3rd rounder then you probably make the deal as well. But if it’s like a 4th or less then just keep him – you might get nothing and he might not play, but the Bucs can’t keep on losing year after year unless they’re tanking in order to move to London. Glennon is at least a capable NFL starter that could step in and play a few games if Winston got hurt and it wouldn’t be the end of the season. No Glennon isn’t taking the Bucs to the playoffs, but for 3 or 4 games if Winston was hurt, at least fans and the team would feel like they’re not out of it.
March 28th, 2016 at 5:09 pm
it’s going to be funny if the broncos do pull the trigger for Glennon and he backs up a proven winner in Sanchez. Sanchez led a very similar defense first Jet’s to the AFC championship game and has a 6-2 career playoff record. Bronco’s have cap issues so it’s unlikely 8 ends up there. Jet’s are the most likely team and I highly doubt Belicheat is shaking in his boots at the thought of game planning for a 5-13 career back up starting for the Jets. Either way it will be entertaining listening to the excuses next year how 8 was treated unfairly on his new team.
March 28th, 2016 at 5:35 pm
tmaxcom: you saying Glennon has no talent? And what’s Belicheat got to do with any of this? And it’s Jets (plural), not Jet’s.
March 28th, 2016 at 6:07 pm
orlbucfan
i don’t think he is nearly as talented nor proven as some like to think he is. He is not going to carry a team nor lead a team to the promise land like Winston can. I have never believed in him. I wish him well and hope he brings the bucs a decent pick that being said 8 is irrelevant to the bucs success other than the draft pick he will bring on draft day. not hate just what I believe. I have never been a glennon fan. I appreciate the grammar assistance LOL…
March 28th, 2016 at 6:15 pm
orlbucfan,
belicheat is in the same division as the jets is why I referenced it… I did not think that needed to be defined as most realize the jets and pats are in the same division.
March 28th, 2016 at 6:25 pm
“Do [the Bucs] have the luxury of sitting on Glennon and losing him next year and pick up a starter on a team that needs starters? [If Jameis Winston gets hurt the Bucs] are not going to the playoffs with Mike Glennon and that roster.”
Please ladies and gentlemen. Allow me to answer this. First of all, the roster that Wesseling speaks of has every ability after a successful draft to compete for the playoffs. Even a moderately decent draft could have this team competing. The Bucs signed vets that may not have several years of NFL life left but they are studs. Ayers played the best football of his life last year. Grimes is playing at a very high level and our offense was very competent. With a healthy V Jax and another WR which I anticipate being drafted, the needle on the offense is pointing North. The defense needs a little work but it’s attainable.
Yes, we do have the luxury of sitting on Glennon if the compensation offered from other teams does not outweigh at least a 4th round pick which is the minimum amount expected when we lose Glennon to FA net year. Teams that do not have their Qb in place such as the Jets and Rams would be wise to come calling. The Jets only have 6 picks this draft but their desperation level depending on the outcome of Fitzpatrick could easily increase dramatically.
March 28th, 2016 at 10:47 pm
I think the question here is; if Glennon could not lead this team to the playoffs, can Winston? We keep talking about if winston goes down the season is shot no matter who the back up QB is. And i completely agree with that. But do we have a shot at the playoffs this season if winston stays healthy? That is a disscussion worth having.
disscussing how crappy of a QB glennon is, isnt worth my time.