Collinsworth Puts Vernon Hargreaves On Bucs
March 15th, 2016
Nerd-in-chief former Gators receiver and current NBC Sports voice Cris Collinsworth has plenty to say.
In fact, the major investor in stat-geek kings Pro Football Focus has penned his first mock draft.
Joe must say it’s very good as mock drafts go.
Collinsworth says the Bucs go cornerback because there won’t be a pass rusher available that fits their draft position.
9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida
If I had a pure pass-rusher that I loved here, he would be the choice for Tampa — but I don’t, so if you can’t rush the passer, you better cover the receivers. Hargreaves will be a good player for years, and his Florida roots will make him less likely to leave Tampa Bay in free agency. I’m a little worried about Hargraves’ 4.5 40-yard dash speed, but he is a player whose competitive nature will always make him valuable. He showed explosiveness with a 39-inch vertical and is a nasty competitor who finds the ball. Hargreaves has notched 10 interceptions in his career and loves contact. He should be a real asset stopping wide receiver screens. However, with a lack of make-up speed, teams will test him on double moves, where his confidence and quickness could work against him. Corners and pass-rushers come off the board first, so Hargreaves goes in my top 10 despite some reservations.
Joe’s not someone who believes the Brent Grimes signing means the Bucs would not draft a cornerback in the first round next month.
You can never have too much depth and talent at corner. And keep in mind Johnthan Banks is in a contract year and Alterraun Verner is highly paid but hasn’t produced in two seasons.
March 15th, 2016 at 10:37 am
I wouldn’t mind if he drafted him. As a Gator fan I’ve watched him his whole college career. It’s rare a defensive series went by and the announcer didn’t call his name. He always made plays and has high intensity. Exactly what the Bucs need.
March 15th, 2016 at 10:42 am
Trade up and get Ramsey!!
March 15th, 2016 at 10:42 am
Not worried about the 4.5 speed. Plays much faster and has elite ball skills.
March 15th, 2016 at 10:48 am
Trade down and get Ramsey!
March 15th, 2016 at 10:55 am
Yeah I’ll take Jalen over Hargreaves and being a Nole has nada to do with it. I don’t want to trade up though. I’d only trade up for Bosa.
March 15th, 2016 at 11:00 am
Hargreaves got burned routinely in the UF bowl game. Not that one game is indicative of a guys skills, but I really don’t see us taking a DB in the first.
My hunch is that we still go pass rusher. Leonard Floyd, Ogbah, maybe Lawson.
Really have my heart set on adding a weapon for Jameis in round 2. Want to see Sterling Shepard’s name get called by the Bucs at 39. Randall Cobb type of WR who has that competitive mind set that sets Jameis Winston apart. Think those two would be fire together
March 15th, 2016 at 11:00 am
Is it remotely possible to trade with the Browns for their 2nd pick to give them our first round + Mike Glennon, all in the hopes to get Jalen Ramsey. Am I the only one who thinks this is a DECENT deal? Not perfect, but I have no other ideas to land Ramsey….
March 15th, 2016 at 11:02 am
We need to go pass rusher we have plenty of nfl quality corners on the roster that won’t be playing Lovie ball next season
March 15th, 2016 at 11:11 am
Let’s get him! Load up on corners!
March 15th, 2016 at 11:23 am
It is a BPA Draft for the BUCS this year
However, the BUCS need to go Best DE or CB available in the First AND second rounds.
March 15th, 2016 at 11:24 am
Hargreaves is not worthy of a top 20 pick. I truly believe that he will be one of the most notable falls on draft day.
March 15th, 2016 at 11:36 am
FSUCRABLEGS69. I like the idea! Watched Hargreaves get burned too many times against top notch receivers and guess what…….the NFL is full of them.
March 15th, 2016 at 11:36 am
Am I the only one who thinks we might surprise with Oline or a WR at #9?
I also think that there may be an opportunity to trade down here with someone who may need a QB…..
March 15th, 2016 at 11:38 am
Tampabaybucfan, I also think that we may surprise some people and take Treadwell from Ole Miss.
March 15th, 2016 at 11:42 am
5-10, 4.5 CB vs 6-5, 4.3 Julio
5-10, 4.5 CB vs 6-6, 4.5 Benjamen
Not sure Hargraves is a Corner in our Division… Safety possiblt… But not at 9
March 15th, 2016 at 11:48 am
I think the key to our draft may be Mike Glennon…..if we can trade him for a player (DE,CB,WR) or receive a 2nd or high 3rd pick to use, it may change our entire draft strategy.
We could end up with 2 first round picks and one could be offensive.
March 15th, 2016 at 12:08 pm
DraftJameis Says:
March 15th, 2016 at 11:24 am
Hargreaves is not worthy of a top 20 pick. I truly believe that he will be one of the most notable falls on draft day.
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I agree completely.
I also agree with Tampabucfan, I uld not be surprised if OL and Wr receiver are addressed very high as well.
March 15th, 2016 at 12:16 pm
Tampabaybucfan trust you are not alone. I’m starting to think the very same thing. Stanley or Treadwell at 9. This draft is deep in our so-called area of need dline. And I’ma Nole and would take Will Jackson over vh3 and Ramsey. Will Jackson qas the most dominant player on the field when Houston whipped us in our bowl game against them.
March 15th, 2016 at 12:32 pm
I’m a regular reader here but do not post frequently. I personally do not think that taking Vernon Hargreaves at 9 makes much sense. While I like the talent, I do not think that his skill-set necessarily matches up best with the type of receivers that the Buccaneers have to go up against regularly. They’re much larger bodied players who have significant height advantage. I think what Jason light has done with signing Brent Grimes and with Robert Ayers has given him the opportunity to go ahead and just draft best player available at 9. If the feeling is that we should go for a corner, I would much rather see us trade back several spots with another team and then pick up Eli Apple and use the extra draft capital from the trade back to either move back up into the first round and pick up Noah Spence or another top player that would otherwise not be there anymore at our position in round two.
Alternatively there are some very talented players atlas of a position of need who should be there at 9 that we should consider. Whether that be Stanley, Buckner, Rankin’s or. Floyd, whoever from this group should be add A1 starter high-impact player who benefit this team for many years to come. I do not think Vernon Hargreaves name is quite as good and there are at least two other Corners I would feel equally good or better having I can get later in apple or Alexander. So if we can’t get who will you want I would sooner try to trade back.
March 15th, 2016 at 12:37 pm
The key for me with the pick is…….Is he a sure thing?
Obviously, there will be many that will disagree on players and very few consensus players…….historically, the Oline is where you find these with high draft picks.
The only sure bet for me on defense would be Ramsey….but we would have to trade up for him.
There are many debates about the pass rushers……I would be more comfortable trading down and flipping a coin on one than picking one at #9.
March 15th, 2016 at 12:45 pm
Treadwell would be our slowest WR I’m not a huge fan
March 15th, 2016 at 12:52 pm
The table isn’t really set for a #1 pick for WR this year……He would likely be our #3 receiver behind Evans & Vjax.
Now…..if we used Vjax $$ to obtain a young DE in a trade & picked up Roddy White, then drafting a WR makes sense.
I think we go WR in 17.
So, my pick here would lean toward Oline…….protecting Jameis as soon as possible for years to come.
If our Offense is extremely strong, we can absorb some hits on our defense…..NO is a good example of this.
March 15th, 2016 at 1:09 pm
On a side note, if we were to pick up Ramsey with the 2nd pick(after trading our first round pick+Glennon) we would have a vocal leader on defense, something this team desperately needs. I like to compare him to Jameis in the fact that he can bring the best out of everyone on his side of the field. Man, I need to calm down, this opportunity is really one we should take. I still feel like we need another DE/OL but this kind of player only comes around so often…..
March 15th, 2016 at 1:13 pm
Collinsworth’s nasal twang is annoying, he’s just pulling for his UF boy. I was behind him in line at Derby Lane more than 30 years ago, he was betting big then.
March 15th, 2016 at 1:20 pm
There are no CBs worthy of #9. Not Hargreaves by a longshot. Considering Ramsey a safety. I think it’s gonna be Buckner, Bosa, Rankins, or Stanley.
March 15th, 2016 at 1:31 pm
bucs CB roster suddenly looks deep, but if you look a little closer, the bucs could part ways with every current CB next offseason or the following one based on contracts. only banks seems likely to be re-upped and probably not as a locked-in starter, so there is plenty of need for CB talent in the long term in Tampa Bay
March 15th, 2016 at 1:40 pm
Certainly CB is a need position still, but I’d rather see a pick in round 2 or 3, and maybe a late rounder too. I’m curious if Adjei-Barimah has the talent to stick for a while as well. He played OK at times for an undrafted rookie.
March 15th, 2016 at 1:48 pm
My choice too…been watching his career since Wharton days..and he wants to play here..You’ll see a lot more fans in the stands..
March 15th, 2016 at 1:49 pm
I’d be fine with the pick, although I think a pass rusher will fall to us and would rather have that.
But it is clear Collinsworth used the combine to judge, instead of actual game footage.
March 15th, 2016 at 1:49 pm
If he fell, I would take Myles Jack in a heartbeat. Imagine Lavonte/Kwon/Jack for years to come.
March 15th, 2016 at 1:49 pm
Right tackle would be nice too.
March 15th, 2016 at 1:56 pm
If the market is there, I really feel like this is a good draft for the Bucs to trade down in, unless a top five talent slips in the draft. If Glennon is dealt and the team also trades down, the Bucs could have 2-3 extra high round picks, and if Licht can have the same success that he’s had in his last two drafts, the Bucs could fill several holes rather quickly.
March 15th, 2016 at 1:57 pm
On Hargreaves don’t just watch the bowl game, look at his full game tapes. Many times that I felt like he was getting “burned” he was coming off his guy to help late. This was especially the case vs Alabama. The bowl game is concerning for sure. I like Ramsey but I am unsure how I feel about the fact that you would have to move up to pick him and you aren’t 100% sure if he is a safety or corner.,, at 9 I pick him all day long. At 5 I would too but not sure that you can make that big of a move for a projected sAfety/corner. On Hargreaves you are picking for one reason, turnovers.
If we are picking treadwell, we better be moving down, I’m not a fan at 9. Stanley, sure, no issues with a tackle in the top 5 ever.
As far everyone saying this is an extremely deep dl draft it is, but it is very limited in top tier EDGE rushers. If licht loves one, he better make the pick. I would still like to see a Hargreaves/spence combo on our first two picks. Not sure if that’s possible
March 15th, 2016 at 2:04 pm
It sucks to have the #9 pick in the draft “value” wise this year.
It’s weird that this is considered a “deep draft” at both CB and DE -our areas of greatest need. We have our pick of whomever we deem the 3rd best DE or 2nd best CB – but can’t be completely comfortable that ANY of them will be excellent NFL players.
I guess a “deep draft” means you can find good talent in the 2nd and 3rd rounds – but if you are picking in the top 10 – its still a crap shoot.
If Bosa, Ramsey, Jack and Buckner are all off the board at 9 which is a high probability – then Hargreaves is probably the best bet at getting an “impact” player at a defensive position of need. VH3 may be too short for most everyone’s liking – but that 39″ vertical jump and his ability to play the ball as well or better than any College player in the country lends itself to the belief that he will be an effective cornerback in the NFL.
I would much rather have Ramsey – but unless Staley is available when we pick – then VH3 is probably our best bet for getting a very good player and getting close to proper “value” at #9 if there are no options for trading down.
March 15th, 2016 at 2:13 pm
Myles Jack would be nice too. Understand your point pick. I too can imagine a scenario that Ramsey, Stanley, jack, Buckner and Bosa are all gone. I just hope a couple of qbs and Elliot gets taken. My fear is that only one qb is gone and Elliot is still on the board. Then even VH3 could be off as well.
March 15th, 2016 at 2:17 pm
I would love Tyler Boyd in the 2nd
March 15th, 2016 at 3:02 pm
Tyler Boydd super nice man.
March 15th, 2016 at 3:05 pm
One of the top 3 defensive ends will be there at no. 9. That’s where the Bucs will go or trade down.
March 15th, 2016 at 3:23 pm
Practically every mock draft out there has them taking him.
I don’t get it. I like him but there is better value at CB in round 2-3 and there are a ton of DEs worth taking at 9.
March 15th, 2016 at 4:29 pm
Stay true to your board and take the best available player no matter what position.
March 15th, 2016 at 4:30 pm
Treadwell??????the guy runs 4.6….that’s why he didn’t run at the combine…Hargreaves is the best pure cb in the draft…ti be honest, I think he maybe gone ay #8 dolphin just let grimes go and have zero depth….after bosa there isn’t a de that worthy of a #9 pick and don’t give me buckner…kid disappeared every game…every db will get beat…ramsey got burned last year and in the bowl game too!!!!if we pass on Hargreaves it better be for bosa or Stanley that’s it….the wr class is the slowest its been in 20years…only 1 wr ran a 4.3..we have enough possession wr…we need speed!!!!…GO BUCS!!!
March 15th, 2016 at 4:37 pm
813bucboi
Minor point but Dolphins traded with Eagles and pick 13th
March 15th, 2016 at 5:04 pm
Elliot is still on the board we will have plenty of trade partners… As far as trading up… NOT GONNA HAPPEN…. Only way it does happen is if someone loses out on who they really want which is also doubtful… I would say its rare a top ten draft teams swap picks with Trades…
That said a team needing a QB might trade a high draft pick but you better believe we will have to give up a draft pick also….
IDK seems like what makes the most since to me is to stand pat on the D this draft… We really have know idea what we have and what we have is talented enough to do better…
As I have been saying for weeks…. Finish building the O and worry about the D in the coming years…. No reason with DK as the coach to not give him and JW everything they need…. Sure up the OL grab another fast big TE like ASJ maybe a solid FB for Martin to run with and find another jem like Kwon….
The D can be properly assist in camp and we can use the trade or FA street walkers for D if need be…
Pimp the Offence out Jason…. We Bugs fans want to know what its lik…. Most of us want D just cause we want the gloy days…. Take us to a new high and start the good old days on offense this year…
March 15th, 2016 at 5:32 pm
I said it before I say it again the bucs are going to draft the best player at 9 not a need
March 15th, 2016 at 8:15 pm
I would rather find a way to trade up for bosa. Trade glennon and some picks to grab him I want a pass rusher. Trade up for the bpa. I am happy with our corners and we have to have a pass rush unless its someone way to good to pass on
March 15th, 2016 at 8:24 pm
If Ronnie Stanley, Joey Bosa, Myles Jack or Jalen Ramsey falls to us at nine we draft them. I just watched the Florida-Florida State game and Vernon Hargreaves III did not look like a player who is going to be a shutdown CB in the Pros. No need to add another 5-10 defensive back right now. The dilemma Licht is faced with is we need a pure speed rushing defensive end and none will be available in the second round unless he has a plan to move our second round pick to the start of round two. I don’t care if people think that it is a reach because I have seen him mocked as high as the Bears at 11. Leonard “the freak” Floyd. There is a reason his nickname is “the freak”. His speed is freaky. When people say who is the best pure pass rusher in the draft most people throw out Noah Spence. Floyd is faster. Floyd is more explosive off the line. Floyd has a better counter move and IMO is the best pass rusher in the draft. He is great at decelerating, and then bursting by his opponent before they have a chance to react. He can also fill in for two needs with one pick. Floyd can double as strong side linebacker and DE on passing downs. Floyd is excellent in coverage as well. If you haven’t already check out the attached video. Compare how quickly Floyd gets to the QB compared to Spence. When Floyd gets stronger and adds a power element to his game, he’s going to be an All-Pro. The Buccaneers have been linked to Leonard Floyd, as Walters Football Charlie Campbell stated. In the second round target the best receiver available. Sterling Shepard WR Oklahoma would be my pick. In the third round if Karl Joseph is there draft him. If not get a DT. Either Javon Hargrave, DT, South Carolina State, Hassan Ridgeway* DT Texas or Chris Jones* DT Mississippi State.
https://youtu.be/DZlXZ_P2xq8
March 15th, 2016 at 8:30 pm
Grimes signing actually makes this pick more likely. Similar height, and two years to show Vernon how to play the game at this level given their vertical challenges.
March 15th, 2016 at 9:07 pm
He can return kicks as well. Was a pretty dynamic punt returner.
March 15th, 2016 at 9:14 pm
Good skills does young Jedi VHIII have. Forgotten is it, how dangerous a return man he is. Turn him loose, his former masters rarely did, too valuable he was. At the Michigan game was I. Base not your perception on this, much confusion there was in the back. Sit down in a zone, I saw him on one touchdown.
March 15th, 2016 at 9:31 pm
Quicker than I, @BucGator you are. The force is strong with you. At the Michigan game, playing zone, the safety was not.
March 15th, 2016 at 10:44 pm
I really like Hargreaves. He can have some trouble with double moves and sometimes on fly routes but coaching and his ball skills can overcome much of that. His skillset reminds me of Ronde Barber. Clearly, I’m not saying Hargreaves can sniff Ronde’s jock at this point, but the potential is there. He’s a ballhawk with good, but not ridiculous speed. Ronde would compensate with his incredible football IQ and propensity to make a play on the ball. There’s no way to tell if he has those skills. I’m fine if we go DE or CB in Round 1 as long as the name doesn’t end in Lawson. I can’t bear the risk of another Clemson DE.