Clear Clash With A Lovie Philosophy
March 23rd, 2016
A sharp contrast emerges on training camp philosophy
The more Joe gets to know Dirk Koetter, the more clear it is that Koetter will not be “staying the course.”
Take this morning, when Koetter talked to Joe at the NFL Owners Meetings about the benefit of practicing against other teams during training camp, aka joint practices.
Lovie Smith was dead set against them. He saw no value and thought they served no purpose.
Joe asked Koetter about his experiences with joint practices and if the Bucs will be engaging in them and what they’re value is.
Koetter let it rip.
“I’ve done it multiple times, and I’m a big proponent of it, and we’re going to do everything in our power to do it at Tampa Bay,” Koetter said.”We’ve got a couple of feelers out there now. We’re just waiting to see when the schedule comes out, but we’ve got a couple of [organizational agreements] right now. We’re prepared to do it. I mean, it’s the in the work that will be working [against another team.] We’d like to do it twice if we can.”
Koetter went on to say Week 2 and Week 3 of training camp are ideal, and he cited the benefits for a playcaller.
“Going against a different scheme. You now, you get used to going against your own defense all the time. If your team is a 4-3 team, you love to go against a 3-4 team, because you’re going to go against so much 3-4 teams during the season. Just different looks, different schemes, different calls. You players like to hit different people. There’s definitely an elevated air of excitement for those practices. Some of those training camp practices can, you know, it’s hot, and you get a little dull out there at times. So it’s exciting for the players and I think it’s great for your team. It’s a great way to get better.”
Joe applauds Koetter’s attitude here. It makes so much sense.
Simple as that.
March 23rd, 2016 at 10:11 am
Man Keotter is such a breath of fresh air, from his philosophy’s straight down to the way he answers questions with a straight forward to the point answer!
March 23rd, 2016 at 10:23 am
The Players seem to find it refreshing as well. Finally a Head Coach that gives them a straight answer even if ther are not the all-star of the team!!!!
March 23rd, 2016 at 10:42 am
All Homerism aside I believe this guy gets it and is gonna be a Great HC. Time will tell.
March 23rd, 2016 at 10:43 am
Oh oh..Good morning Lovie Bashers. Here we go. Lets see..I’ll get it started for yas. Lets all sing, Willie Nelsons/Ray Charles..”Its Crying Time Again” in the key of C. Of course we will replace the song title 1st first line with..”Its Lovie bashing time Again. In the history of our Bucs, I can’t recall an ex Buc coach who gets bashed as much as good ole Lovie..Not even Ray Perkins. Hell, you guys even got me believing, It was all Lovie’s fault. LOL. Let the morning Lovie Bashing begin Baby! Sing it..dabburnit!
March 23rd, 2016 at 10:48 am
Ride the anti-incompetent wave!!
March 23rd, 2016 at 10:50 am
What Mike said..
March 23rd, 2016 at 10:51 am
Mike…YES and Joe’s the ringleader or haven’t you figured that out yet?
Apparently not or why bother coming to a site that continues to put out articles about how terrible Lovie is?
March 23rd, 2016 at 10:51 am
Mike in all fairness..some of the old Tampa coaches were before the internet, twitter, etc…
I don’t like talking about lovie since it’s like constantly talking about an ex wife or husband with your current one…
March 23rd, 2016 at 11:14 am
lol…some just cant get enough of the man…what a shame…move on…I for one would be for practicing against other teams for the exact reason dirk stated….when we played the browns in preseason, our was so unprepared and looked like they never faced a 3-4 defense…I understand some of that had to do with us starting 2rookie linemen and a rookie qb but they all looked like they were lost…my only draw back is becoming more exposed to injuries…competing in practice vs. other teams could speed up the growing/gelling process for both offense and defense…who knows we may even develop some type of attitude or swagger…GO BUCS!!!
March 23rd, 2016 at 11:17 am
Wasn’t Koetter the OC for the Falcons when ATL blew out the Bucs on a Thursday night game on 2014? I really thought he would’ve convinced Lovie that the Tampa 2 was outdated. Guess I was wrong!
March 23rd, 2016 at 11:22 am
Mike
Please explain why lovie n his defence deserved another chance? After getting rid of players like Revis, goldson, Barron or even someone like Ryan Delaire and not showing improvement. I’m not bashing but want to know why your so pro lovie
March 23rd, 2016 at 11:29 am
The Bucs have ran the gauntlet of coaches since chucky left, no experience (Morris), college HC (Schianot), retread (Lovie), now top coordinator….man that’s impressive at least we keep trying something new, at first you don’t succeed, try, try, and try a different type of coach
March 23rd, 2016 at 11:32 am
Lovie lovers getting all butt hurt !!
He set us back two years
Bad coaching at its finest there is no bashing
He just sucked at coaching and making in game adjustments
Not personal just business moving on
March 23rd, 2016 at 11:42 am
Lovie needs to coach pop warner. Simple as that.
March 23rd, 2016 at 11:44 am
Just call it Lovie’s Defense, don’t insult the Tampa 2. It works fine still today in situational football and the Buc’s def last year got beat in all kinds of formations the last 2 years.
March 23rd, 2016 at 11:46 am
cabadianbucfan..I’m not pro Lovie. I just think you fans spend extraordinary amounts of time blaming the guy instead of blaming a lot of our deficient players. Who will you blame when/if the losing starts this upcoming season? All the proof a fan needs is to research the Buc coaching history. And recent player history too. But everything was Lovies fault. Drafting offensively for 2 straight yrs, missed tackles, lackluster play, opponent TD’s. I think in all of these postings I’ve heard like 4 people blame the players.. Who’s ya gonna blame next year? Koetter? Nope. You’ll blame Lovie dubbie. I love the Bucs. Just hate all of the losing we’ve had since our Superbowl. And..I’ll continue to be somewhat critical until we stat winning. I’ll not give this present regime one ounce of credit..yet. WIN FIRST. And I do give good comments about our Bucs..when they are warranted.
March 23rd, 2016 at 12:09 pm
Lovie knew that practice against other teams would pop his balloon of supposed respectability and show his cluelessness.
March 23rd, 2016 at 12:12 pm
Buccfan37
^^^^ well said
confident leaders and coaches embrace a true measuring stick to gauge where their team is. only true test is against the best… that’s why a year later Lovie is still not Tennessee ready!
March 23rd, 2016 at 12:26 pm
Mike Mike Mike Mike…..but you’re just as guilty yourself. 95% of all your posts ends with some kind of shot at the new regime. Well actually the % could be even higher.
If these “fans” keep repeating the same crap every day, then you’re just as guilty.
March 23rd, 2016 at 12:29 pm
@tmaxcon
This is the same clown-shoe errr I mean head coach that planned/or went along with the “hiding of the top secret offense” in his first year!!!! He should have been fired right there on the spot!!!!!
March 23rd, 2016 at 12:35 pm
@Mike Johnson
To be fair, the bashing is proportional to the incompetence and buffoonery during the “Lovie Fiasco” ( as the players themselves called it!!!!)
March 23rd, 2016 at 12:57 pm
It’s not Lovie Bashing Mike when one points out the facts. Facts are facts – right? So, Lovie didn’t care to practice against other teams – like the 3-4 defenses in our own State. Then what happened on opening day when we played a 3-4 defense that Jamies hadn’t seen? Was that a pick 6 on his very first NFL throw? The bottom line Mike, is that everything falls on the Head Coach.
If a company folds, do you blame the employees – or does the owner/CEO take the blame? You tell me chief?
March 23rd, 2016 at 1:10 pm
I rather talk about Miko.
March 23rd, 2016 at 1:14 pm
Kok there Buc since 74. If we start losing again, lets see who YOU..blame? Lovie does share in some of the blame. But the players and Buc Mngt does also. Nobody here thinks so. You draft offensively for 2 straight yrs. I don’t think Lovie did that..despite what the media says. I think he was told..this year we will draft defensively. Then they fired him. Now, the firing was partly his fault. Had he went to the glazers and anounced he was firing lackluster frazier and his sons? He may still have been given another year. But Lovie was hard headed. Thus he was fired. Don’t get it twisted, I do not feel sorry for Lovie. He’s making more money fired from the Bucs than I make in 20 yrs! I just think its time to move on. Time will tell if our Bucs made the right decision. We do though..have a rep of changing coaches rather quickly. Who knows? Koetter may be the man. We..have to wait and see. I just won’t blame Lovie for all of our ills like many here do.
March 23rd, 2016 at 1:24 pm
New coaches will always be compared to their predecessors, therefore he will not stop getting talked about.
Lovie was compared to Schiano, Schiano to Morris, etc…
Simple as that.
March 23rd, 2016 at 1:25 pm
Speaking of Miko…..there should be a joebucsfan pool for which home game she will be arrested at this year. My money would be on the Oakland game.
March 23rd, 2016 at 1:59 pm
I’m with Ghost on this one. I think it’s fair to criticize Lovie, I have no problem with that, but lets get one thing straight, you cannot put all of the last 2 years of bad football on him. Players and management deserve at least some of the blame.
All that being said, I do like what we’re hearing from Koetter. His philosophies seem sound.
My HS band director (yeah, I’m a band geek!) said,”Practice does NOT make perfect, PERFECT practice, makes perfect!” Inter-squad practices make a lot of sense. How else can you measure your program?!
March 23rd, 2016 at 2:21 pm
So glad that we hired Coach koetter. He clearly has common sense and that alone is an upgrade over they Imcompetent one. So glad the Glazers had the fortitude to make a change. I would be depressed if they Imcompetent one was still running things.
March 23rd, 2016 at 2:25 pm
The bashing won’t stop and don’t expect to, LOVIE had success in the CHI as a head coach, SUPER BOWL APPEARANCE, while at Tamoa as a linebacker coach he had maybe two or three Pro Bowl & All Pro linebackers so he knew talent, when you can’t stop a slant pattern at critical times of a game, that’s lack of talent not scheme, none of our corners were even close to BARBER, he was a master of the scheme. Coach K is getting a far better team than the one LOVIE got, JAMIES makes it so. The Bashing won’t stop!!
March 23rd, 2016 at 2:39 pm
@Hog- Yeah, I won’t hold my breath! You have valid points and I, for one, would have been interested to see how folks would’ve reacted had we won the 2-3 games that were lost because of the offense. Oh wait, that’s right, the defense was the only squad on the field for 16 games, and it’s ALL……..
Anyway, I digress!
Moving on…….(as we all should be!)…………….
March 23rd, 2016 at 2:51 pm
Wow! Lovie had a Super Bowl appearance. So did Sam Wyche, Bobby Ross and many others….Where are they now?
March 23rd, 2016 at 3:57 pm
Couch Fan….I was severely depressed the first few days after the season knowing he was not fired yet. I mean I was pouting like a little girl to everyone that would listen. Brothers, sister-in-law’s, uncles and mom. I was pretty depressed over the thought of Lovie coming back.
March 23rd, 2016 at 4:06 pm
Big hog please go read the article from pewter report. Vernor and banks say they were suppose to let the slant go they were in charge of the outside. And they questioned it to after they were repeatedly giving up the slant. They said lovie would preach the slant won’t hurt them. It’s the over the top stuff that will beat you. Go read that article then tell me it was talent and not lovie
March 23rd, 2016 at 4:24 pm
“Staying the course” is a something a lot of top coaches suggest.
However…I am not foolish enough to believe different methods cannot work. Adaptation is something I’m in favor of. I suppose it all depends on the coach himself, and the willingness of the GM to work with him.
I love Koetter and am glad he’s our coach…but he’s only earned props as an offensive coordinator. He still got to prove himself as a head coach.
Unfortunately, the season is still a distant shadow, so we have to wait. And it. Is. Hard.
March 23rd, 2016 at 4:25 pm
@Jeffbuc
As much as I like Lovie, there is no denying her crewed up there. I hated seeing Banks benched too.
March 23rd, 2016 at 4:26 pm
“crewed” = scre wed
March 23rd, 2016 at 4:33 pm
BuccaneerBonzai Says:
“Unfortunately, the season is still a distant shadow, so we have to wait. And it. Is. Hard.”
Wrong as usual!!! For once it is Exciting, Optimistic, and uplifting!!!! to finally to be going forward instead of backward!!!!
Go Bucs!!! Go Bucs!!! Go Bucs!!!!!!
March 23rd, 2016 at 7:08 pm
LOVE HIM
March 23rd, 2016 at 7:10 pm
We have a 11-5 offense with a 6-10/7-9 defense…and once agin HaRDY Nickerson belongs in the Bucs R.O.H.
March 23rd, 2016 at 7:27 pm
Mike Johnson………….sucks.
I knew this guy was the right guy half way through last season. Did you argue with Lovie…no, he did the right thing and did HIS job and lead us to a top 10 offense…#5 if I recall in atleast one area.
I loved the Lovie signing, but I also (being from Chicago originally) listened to family bears fans……AND THEY WERE RIGHT.
This is the best coaching staff we have had since the super bowl era…..
Playoffs…..we will be in the hunt…you can write it down
March 23rd, 2016 at 7:58 pm
Lol, his article is about koetter and his philosophy on joint practices. His philosophy just so happens to be the exact opposite of what Lovie’s is. Koetter will always be compared to past Bucs coaches, especially Loser Lovie.
Philosophically i think most fans disagreed with Lovie and his decisions. From game day decisions, to coaching style, to player personnel and handling, etc. Lovie did a lot of messed up stuff to the Bucs. And animosity and criticism is warranted.
March 23rd, 2016 at 9:34 pm
The offense was improving, with a host of new players in a new system while the defense was regressing in it’s second year with a more seasoned roster.
The offensive staff wasn’t benching players either.
March 23rd, 2016 at 9:49 pm
I’m not going to bash Lovie. He is in my top 3 favorite Bucs coaches. Dungy for building a strong respected franchise, Gruden for the Lombardi trophy, and Lovie for getting us a franchise QB fir the fisrt time ever. I don’t care how bad the last 2 years stunk, I’m looking forward and I’m going to remember the good Lovie did.
March 23rd, 2016 at 10:52 pm
“In the history of our Bucs, I can’t recall an ex Buc coach who gets bashed as much as good ole Lovie..Not even Ray Perkins. ”
@Mike Johnson, that is because Perkins had a better record than coach smith in his first 2 years. in fact, as bad as this franchise has been, almost nobody has been a worse bucs coach than lovie smith was…and the coaches that were remotely close had nowhere near the talent level that smith inherited and then supplemented with Jason Licht’s solid offensive draft hauls
Ray Perkins took a Leeman Bennet team that won 4 games in 2 years and turned it into a team that won 9 in the next 2. Lovie took a team that won 11 games in 2 years and turned it into a team that won 8 over the next 2
March 24th, 2016 at 4:59 am
Brent – “Bae, you killin me with all this JoeBucsFan stuff.”
Miko – “But Bae, they disrespecting you. I ain’t havin’ none of dat! You da best corner to ever play da game!”
Brent – “Who be disrespecting me on JoeBucsFan?”
Miko – “Some chump name Mike Johnson who got a crush on Lovie, you know what I do Bae.”
Brent – “Then you gotta chill with all this Mike Johnson in love with Joe..Bae.. crazy ass wife.”
Miko – “No Bae!” Mike Johnson gotta chill Bae. I got you Bae!”
Brent – “I’m serious now. I gotta get mine! Bae.”
Miko – “Look Bae, I’m deletin’ my twitter account now. I told you, I got you!”
March 24th, 2016 at 11:36 am
Lovie Bashers? UNITE!!!
Let the man go. He was not the blame for all our Bucs ills. Funny how people will join a bandwagon without first doing there own research. Jethro Tull was right, Some people are, Thick As A Brick!
March 24th, 2016 at 6:36 pm
^—— mike Johnson are you defending a coach that said he didnt want to score in a tight game on the road? And if I remember reem and toes on the line got bashed alot with better records