Trading Up For Bosa
February 16th, 2016
Manbeast defensive end Joey Bosa
A very interesting story appeared in The Tennessean hours after the 2015 season ended for the Titans.
(Yes, Joe reads all kinds of NFL stuff.)
Beat writer John Glennon explored the notion that the Titans’ offensive line is too weak and too young, perhaps a big reason the Titans allowed a league-leading 54 sacks and were ranked 25th in rushing. Veteran Titans tight end Delanie Walker was quoted begging for the team not to draft another O-lineman.
In recent days, new Titans general manager Jon Robinson was saying teams already are inquiring about trading with him for the No. 1 overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft. Robinson, for those unaware, was Bucs general manager Jason Licht’s right hand man in Tampa, and the two have a long history.
The Bucs pick No. 9 overall, and it’s reasonable to assume Licht would chop off a pinky for a chance to draft Ohio State defensive end Joey Bosa, a guy most people consider the best defensive player on the board.
So this got Joe thinking that Robinson, who knows the Bucs’ roster inside and out, might be willing to trade down with Licht if he could get his hands on experienced offensive linemen to keep fragile coach killer Marcus Mariota upright.
Maybe Robinson would swap first-round picks with the Bucs in exchange for, say, Demar Dotson, Evan Smith and a 2017 second-round pick?
Stranger things have happened. And yes, Joe would make that deal.
February 16th, 2016 at 1:07 pm
LOL, the Bucs move up from 9 to 1 by trading Evan Smith, Demar Dotson and a 2017 2nd round pick? Wow, Robinson would be hanged in effigy by Titans fans if he agreed to such an awful trade. I thought those silly trade ideas only lived in message boards, but then there’s GM Joe to the rescue!
February 16th, 2016 at 1:07 pm
Not sure why Mariota is a “Coach Killer”…
February 16th, 2016 at 1:10 pm
No way in hell Tenn drops to 9 for DD, Evan and 2nd in17. The hope would be they would drop a few spots because someone wants a qb, then they drop again to 9. It would cost us a 2 this year and at least a 2 next year plus a player to get to 1. The hope is all 3 or at least 2 QBs really get hot and impress and then Tunsil , Jack and Ramsy go. You could get to 5, but you can’t get to 1.
February 16th, 2016 at 1:12 pm
@Tom S. – We’re never going to see an RGIII deal again. Titans are desperate. This isn’t such a bad deal for them.
No. 9, a second rounder and two starters.
February 16th, 2016 at 1:13 pm
Wow Joe. Mariotta’s a coach killer? Massive reach.
He got his alleged quarterback guru head coach fired in near record time. How could he NOT be a coach killer.–Joe
February 16th, 2016 at 1:13 pm
If you think Robinson is that stupid we really didn’t need him on our staff
Fellas, you’ll find people who swear up and down that Demar Dotson is an above average starting right tackle with low mileage on his football legs. You’ll also find folks to say Evan Smith is a legitimate starting center, something the Titans don’t have — in a league that’s having a lot of trouble developing offensive linemen. The Titans do NOT need a quarterback. So their situation is very different from teams that do, and those teams can’t give up O-linemen. … At the end of the day in this scenario, the Titans walk with the No. 9 overall pick, two starters, and a second-round pick, which should become a quality NFL starter. … This scenario is not so over-the-top outlandish in a league where the average shelf life of an offensive coordinator is 2 years, and everyone is in a hurry. –Joe
February 16th, 2016 at 1:15 pm
Wouldn’t Winston be considered a “coach killer” as well? I mean since his head coach was fired as well, for instance if Winston threw more touchdowns than interceptions against oh idk the panthers the Titans the Rams And the Bears… Etc. Lovie would still be here lol.
February 16th, 2016 at 1:17 pm
Now, it is the start of the silly season!!!
so if we exchange 1st round picks, give a 2017 second round (hopefully very low!!) and basically 2 5th round picks we can have the 1st overall pick as well!!! Yes WE would take that!!!
also there would be massive firings in the Titans organization!!!
February 16th, 2016 at 1:18 pm
Trading Evan Smith, Demar Dotson, the 9th overall pick, and a 2017 2nd round pick to move up to #1 is probably the most asinine trade proposal I have heard since the Internet became a thing. The Titans would be immediately seized by the NFL and Marcus Mariota would re-enroll at the University of Oregon to pursue a career in dentistry. Joe, I challenge you to name the stranger thing(s) that have happened.
February 16th, 2016 at 1:20 pm
Jim would make that deal too, Joe.
February 16th, 2016 at 1:25 pm
Sign and trade Doug Martin and throw in Vincent Jackson and Titans give us the First pick and there 4th. Done.
February 16th, 2016 at 1:28 pm
Evan Smith is horrible….nearly had Jameis career end in Indy ;(
February 16th, 2016 at 1:39 pm
Tard alert. You’re going to give away 2 potential starters from our O Line, or at worst all of our depth, so that Jameis can get killed even more. Besides they’re both back ups right now and have no real value. C’mon Joe, I know it’s slow right now but it’s sounds like you’re smoking the hippie lettuce.
February 16th, 2016 at 1:53 pm
So MM is a coach killer but Jameis isn’t? Joe’s logic
February 16th, 2016 at 1:54 pm
If we send them 2 average Olineman that are getting old and a 2nd wouldn’t they need to send us their promising WR they drafted last year to even it out? lol
February 16th, 2016 at 1:56 pm
@Joe
Not sold on Bosa. B4 Noah Spence was sent packing, it was all about Spence with Bosa living in his shadow. Not saying Bosa doesn’t have potential tho, but #1 overall?? NOT WORTH IT.
February 16th, 2016 at 1:56 pm
I personally love it! Puff puff pass pass
February 16th, 2016 at 1:58 pm
@supersam. This aint the nba, you don’t sign and trade. You’re going to give DM a ton of $ up front and then trade him? Also, that dead money is going to count against your cap.
February 16th, 2016 at 1:59 pm
Titans are my 2nd favorite team. Moved to St. Pete from Nashville in 2008. Never commentered here but I have to defend Joe. As a Titans fan, I’d do this deal in a heartbeat. Those who are laughing haven’t watched teh Titans offensive line. It’s as bad as the Bucs’ was before last year.
Robinson better knoew there’s no point to anything if he can’t help Mariota with a decent line. And we alreadyy drafted Llewan a couple of years ago and have to stick with him.
This is a 4-fo-1 deal, which is the kind if odds the Titans can’t screw up. … Maybe. 😉
February 16th, 2016 at 2:05 pm
Not sure why the Bucs are keeping Smith around. He lost his job and gets paid to back up now (like Bruce Carter). If not traded, he should be cut.
I can’t imagine we don’t have to part with our ’17 first rounder as well. Get a trade in place with Dallas at #4 if either Bosa or Ramsey are still on the board!
February 16th, 2016 at 2:10 pm
When I think of a coach killer, I only see JFro Six Pack.
February 16th, 2016 at 2:12 pm
Noah Spence Stock is on the rise…..draft him and get either Wilkerson or Vernon in Free Agency.
February 16th, 2016 at 2:15 pm
Uh, Mariota is not yet a coach killer, and when you call him that you sound petty and uninformed. Wiz got himself fired on his own merits. By your backwards logic, Jameis is a coach killer too.
February 16th, 2016 at 2:16 pm
If that exact trade goes down, I have no issue with it. I’m tired of making Vines of EDS (I use his married name) staggering around the line of scrimmage while his RBs are getting driven into the ground like tent stakes.
February 16th, 2016 at 2:16 pm
Check it out JOE – http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000631729/article/brooks-noah-spence-reminds-me-of-von-miller-could-go-top-15
This is the best defensive player on the board.
February 16th, 2016 at 2:17 pm
Noooooo way! I’ve watched film on Bosa and think he’d be a solid pickup if he falls to #9 but I wasn’t blown away by what i saw. Noah Spence on the other hand looks very impressive and like a guy who can take over a game. If his character issues checkout I’d much rather have Spence than Bosa or Lawson.
February 16th, 2016 at 2:26 pm
it would take some serious stones to make a trade like that as your first move as GM of a team like the titans. dropping down 8 spots for a #2 a year from now and 2 over-30 linemen who couldn’t win back starting jobs from 2 players who were unemployed after training camp?
February 16th, 2016 at 2:40 pm
GMC,MG8 and #9 for JJ Watt.
February 16th, 2016 at 2:41 pm
Love this kind of talk Joe.
Keep it comin.
February 16th, 2016 at 2:51 pm
Using your logic Joe, Winston must be a coach killer also, he got Lovie fired.
February 16th, 2016 at 2:52 pm
For 87 on the subject of Tenn making this deal…..
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February 16th, 2016 at 2:55 pm
Yeah, it’s the silly season, alright. Silly comment season.
February 16th, 2016 at 2:55 pm
Bosa is overrated, the only trade up would be to get J Ramsey if he is there at 6 and wouldn’t cost much to move 3 spots, especially if 2 QBs had been taken. Bucs most likely will choose from Hargreaves, Buckner, Spence, Stanley, and Treadwell. one of those 5 will be there if 2 qbs go ahead of 9. bosa, ramsey and tunsil will not fall to 9.
the ideal draft is getting an offer to move down from 9 to 15ish and pick up an extra selection
February 16th, 2016 at 2:58 pm
No waaaay…I will take Spence over Bosa any day!
Now Bosa has the football bloodline in his family..but after studying both on field plays..Spence for the win! The man is a hungry beast!
February 16th, 2016 at 3:05 pm
I don’t know, lose 2 starters(ish) and a pick for an unknown commodity? I realize we need help but losing depth at any position is risky. Is Bosa worth that?
February 16th, 2016 at 3:06 pm
OK, now Joe is just trolling. So soon in the offseason?
Well, whatever works to keep the posters going and the site hit numbers coming, eh?
February 16th, 2016 at 3:21 pm
“He” got him fired?
Negatory. That horrible team did.
February 16th, 2016 at 3:22 pm
Joey is good not great.
I would take him at 9 but wouldn’t trade up.
The sleeper is the dt from ole miss.
He is a savage on and off the field
If we get him and sign a free agent de
We will have something
February 16th, 2016 at 3:24 pm
And hell no on trading up for Bosa.
It’s not like he’s a sure fire, once in a lifetime talent.
Stay put for a DB.
February 16th, 2016 at 3:26 pm
@ Suoersam /Skinny legs
Lovie was fired because “His” Defense sucked major A$$!!! / and team Glazer didn’t want Jameis to loose his OC. Has nothing to do with the offense. The guy sucks and so does his “scheme”…..truth be told, he should have been fired last year after his defense gave up 58 point to Atlanta.
February 16th, 2016 at 3:29 pm
And you yourself think DD is “below-average” so why on earth propose a trade with him, let alone for a number 1 pick, as if he’s valuable?
Dotson’s value to Joe is irrelevant here. –Joe
February 16th, 2016 at 3:46 pm
@bucfan305 it’s don’t matter how putrid the defense is if your winning games your winning games! My point is if Winston had found a way to win 2 3 more games were in the playoffs and Lovie has his job, you can blame whom you want to blame, but if the team is winning no head coach is gonna lose there job. If the Bucs make the playoffs Lovie has a job simple as that, regardless of the Keotter situation.
February 16th, 2016 at 3:50 pm
DestiniJohnny everyone sleeping on what you mention. I said something similar last week. Nkemdiche will be right there for the taking and Koetter’s history proves he’s not squimish when it comes to bad boys. Thank God.
February 16th, 2016 at 3:51 pm
I would stay put at #9 or even fall back and get extra picks to move up in 3rd round
February 16th, 2016 at 3:51 pm
Yes both MM n JW are coach killers EXCEPT MM got his coach fired cuz he sucks hence the #1 overall pick. JW fired Lovie cuz lovie sucks hence the pro bowl, ROY, and all that SWAG!!! DEAL WITH IT BIHHH!!
February 16th, 2016 at 3:52 pm
Keep Dotson send Cherilus.
February 16th, 2016 at 3:56 pm
SuperSam if you still want to talk Mariota/Winston I’d love to see Mariota win with ASJ (who actually has a higher drop % than Evans), Evans, Dye and Humphries as his starting WR’s and TE.
February 16th, 2016 at 3:58 pm
People some of y’all might wanna research a little. This staff was together in Jville. My belief is this defense is about to resemble that Jville squad from back then. That unit was good, just could never over come tea bag master Peyton Manning. DT is what Mike Smith and Jay Hayes are looking at I assure you. Ima say it again the cats D is hell because of Kiwan Short and Lotu. If not for they’re play no one on the back end has a name.
February 16th, 2016 at 4:08 pm
MM can complete 60% of his passes and had a 90%+ QB rating. Hardly, numbers of a Coach Killa. Read the article above to find out how awful his oline was.
February 16th, 2016 at 4:10 pm
This is stupid
…….no way do the bucs get a shot at Bosa
February 16th, 2016 at 4:10 pm
Joe, first of all layoff the “coach killer crap” with Marriota. He’s a good young QB, with an amazing skill set, who will be a pro bowler very soon. We each got a great young QB in the draft last year!
The Titans would be wise to trade back and collect some more picks. They have more holes than a hunk of Swiss cheese! The Bucs would be equally wise to trade up and get Bosa….and try to add another DE on free agency (Mario Williams if he becomes available would be awesome)! Bosa is a relentless difference maker on the defense. He looks like JJ Watt sometimes….even though he is not quite as explosive as Watt. He can speed rush, bull rush, twist and stunt like no other young defensive end I’ve seen coming out of college in the last several years! Add those guys to GMC, and we would have a defensive line that would cause opposing OC’s sleepless nights and add reflux at the very thought of playing Tampa!
February 16th, 2016 at 4:13 pm
I’d rather stay put and grab Spence, if you can check him out as throroughly as JW and don’t have concerns…
Dude is just a monster, and he already has multiple pass rush techniques, which is rare for most college guys. I like Bosa, but would not trade up for him to be honest.
February 16th, 2016 at 4:13 pm
And another thing I wish this notion of taking a corner with the first pick would go away like skinny jeans man. I can’t recall one defensive back from that Michael Strahan lead superbowl winning Giant team. Don’t need to cause I can name they’re whole D line if anyones betting.
February 16th, 2016 at 4:14 pm
Trying this again: I’d rather stay put and grab Spence, if you can check him out as thoroughly as they did with JW, and don’t have concerns…
Dude is just a monster, and he already has multiple pass rush techniques, which is rare for most college guys. I like Bosa, but would not trade up for him to be honest.
February 16th, 2016 at 4:44 pm
Watch out Joe all the MM lovers are coming out of the wood work. They are still sensitive about last years results in the draft.
Not surprised. –Joe
February 16th, 2016 at 4:47 pm
Joe you start drinking early today???!!!!!
February 16th, 2016 at 4:49 pm
That’s illogical
You can’t claim he’s below average than use him as a primary piece in trade speculation as if he is lol.
“It’s not illogical at all. One man’s trash … –Joe
February 16th, 2016 at 4:49 pm
Supersam:
Your a joke and comments show your level of football knowledge must come from video games. Your probably not a buc fan to start. When your defense gives up 25+ points a game and opposing QB’s have a 70% completion rate NO ROOKIE QB TEAM WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE PLAYOFFA LET ALONE WIN 6 games. 24-0 lead blown and how many 17pt leads blown by scheme. That was my Jamies we had a defensive genius coach some say that could adapt to stop KIRK cousins. Or find a way to use the beat CB in the NFL. O ya and made all final player decisions and went 0-5 with big free agent. Name me QB that defensive team have up stats like bucs defend but made the playoffs or won 9 games as you claim Jamies should have won.
February 16th, 2016 at 4:54 pm
If Mariota is a coach killer, than so is Jameis.
February 16th, 2016 at 4:59 pm
TBBF…lol I’ve been trying to come up with a scenario to move up to get Bosa myself. I can’t blame Joe for trying like the rest of you are.
Saying it can’t happen is something I’ve seen waaay too many times before on this site. So I’m not ready to give up on the idea or the prospect of it.
February 16th, 2016 at 5:02 pm
First off I’m not convinced Bosa is a man beast. My son lives in Columbus and is a huge OSU fan. When I watched the Buckeyes…several games…I never saw Bosa dominate.
Second. Walter Football has Tennessee taking Laremy Tunstil the Ole Miss tackle with that #1. Perhaps they’d like to grow their tackle and QB at the same time.
WF has Bosa dropping to 6th to the Ravens while the Jags picking one round ahead pass on Bosa for DeForest Buckner.
Here’s good news for a lot of posters here who want Noah Spence. Walter Football has Spence’s stock rising once again and they have him pegged at….wait for it….#9…your Tampa Bay Bucs.
Their feeling…
Noah Spence would be a top-five prospect if he had no character concerns. Spence didn’t help himself by bombing the Senior Bowl interviews, but some team may ultimately decide to pull the trigger on him in the top half of the first round. One candidate is the Buccaneers, who have taken chances on players with personality issues before.
February 16th, 2016 at 5:03 pm
For any defenders of the horrific trade proposal by Joe. As Joe talks to NFL people I dare him to offer that to them and see if he doesn’t get laughed out of the room. Evan Smith, a backup is not worth more than a 6th round pick on his own. Demar Dotson a RT overcoming an injury to a solid contract is not worth more than a 4th round pick on his own.
Mediocre vets are not with premium picks, hell Randy Moss was traded for a 4th round pick, Aquib Talib went for a 4th round pick, and those players were lightyears more talented and accomplished than the above.
Essentially Joe is throwing out an offer of 9 overall, 2nd in 2017, 4th and 6th round pick for number one overall. Again, if Joe is as connected as he thinks, please let a personnel guy get on record and say otherwise that the traded is remotely doable.
You really should have listened to Pat Kirwan break down the Titans’ needs late this afternoon. –Joe
February 16th, 2016 at 5:03 pm
Unless your saying that your opinion of him is wrong and others around the league place good value in him?
February 16th, 2016 at 5:13 pm
MM was a coach-killer mid-season.
February 16th, 2016 at 5:37 pm
I think everyone should stop $ucking Bosa’s dong… His ceiling is not very high better fit in a 3-4 than a 4-3. Not a sack machine.. I don’t get the Bosa-crush.
February 16th, 2016 at 5:40 pm
I say stay put. If we get wind of another team high on Spence or want to trade in front of us to get Spence, then we move. DON’T LET THIS GUY GET AWAY
VON MILLER 2.0
February 16th, 2016 at 5:42 pm
Bosa is obviously a 43 defensive end. So idk what ur talking about. Now Noah Spence is more of a 34 olb but that’s another story
February 16th, 2016 at 5:43 pm
If Bosa is supposed to be JJ Watt, do it.
I don’t know enough about him.
I do know Shaq Lawson is damn good and probably there at 9.
People laugh, but Smith is a decent center and Dotson is a decent RT.
Swapping 1-9 and those two along with a second rounder next year is doable.
Personally I hate trading up unless the guy is s sure fire stud and Idk if he is.
I would not give up anymore than that though. They’d need an OL in FA and another drafted in the later rounds.
February 16th, 2016 at 5:49 pm
The only player worth the Bucs moving up for is Ramsey and we could probably get him at #3 or 4. No thanks to Bosa at #1. That is a big reach IMO and too expensive to move up. (BTW – Tennessee would never agree to your proposed deal Joe – it would cost more than that!)
I would frankly rather have Spence than Bosa – and we can probably stand pat and pick him at #9. (Assuming he passes muster with the GM, HC and DC as a reliable person moving forward that is).
February 16th, 2016 at 5:54 pm
Jus stay put. Take Noah Spence if ur willing to take the risk or trade down and get one the monster DT’s to pair with GMC and get the DE from BYU or Carl Nassib in the 2nd
February 16th, 2016 at 5:57 pm
wow that sounds like a great deal for the bucs!
February 16th, 2016 at 6:00 pm
This is Joe’s website so he can say whatever he wants, like MM is a coach killer and JW is americas QB. This site only has quantity cause it has very little quality reporting, just Joe’s opinions. You might want to check the archives. Joe has mountains of what you would consider original reporting. In fact, no other local outlet delivered from this year’s Pro Bowl, where Joe broke a lot of fresh news, and Joe will be in place for the NFL Scouting Combine next week. Oh, and Joe was again at the Super Bowl digging up all things Bucs. Joe is fully credentialed media and regular readers here know Joe delivers everything Bucs.–Joe
February 16th, 2016 at 6:05 pm
Actually I can see something like this in play for the sake of conversation and how bad Titans OL is in its current state.
That said, while Robinson is a Licht protege I find it hard to think we would give up quality depth (that we needed to even win 6 games) and a precious second round pick to move up for Bosa.
Maybe if this draft wasn’t so deep in DL but we can come away with starters on OL and DL in this draft. I like the point of the article though.
February 16th, 2016 at 6:05 pm
I’m convinced Bosa is a man-beast.
February 16th, 2016 at 6:06 pm
Architek …yep I with you, but I wouldn’t cry in my beer on draft night if they did work a trade to get him.
February 16th, 2016 at 6:08 pm
Noah Spence, Noah Spence,
A draft pick that makes perfect sense,
He could be a steal, saving dollars and cents,
On opposing QB’s he will make a dent,
Like jameis he is heaven sent,
Could be Simeon Rice’s heir apparent,
Better than anything we have current,
Come on Licht spend that Glazer money, even the rent.
February 16th, 2016 at 6:09 pm
Bucballya…why the hate? Does someone force you to come here?
SMFH
February 16th, 2016 at 6:21 pm
Bosa equals bust
February 16th, 2016 at 6:39 pm
Who’s gonna be Joe’s mancrush this year? Is it Bosa? Are we going to start seeing the daily Bosa-watch?
Nope. No Bosa Watch. That’s for sure. –Joe
February 16th, 2016 at 6:42 pm
Somewhere in the draft, they have to draft Jihad Ward, DE Illinois, if only for the name… “Ward off the left end declaring Jihad on the QB… And he’s SACKED at the 16 yard line.” I mean, who wouldn’t want to have a defense declare jihad on QBs?
February 16th, 2016 at 6:44 pm
How many of you bothered to read the article? Joe should ignore some of his readers comments. The article quoted veteren Delanie Walker and other players specifically stating to trade and get older guys to come in and play the line — savvy vets, eight-year guys or seven-year guys that understand how to win and know the game. The Titans need help at right tackle, left guard and center. Titans will need to add a right tackle, perhaps with a draft pick to replace free agent-to-be Byron Bell. At left guard, things were so bad that the Titans finished the year with undrafted rookie Quinton Spain as the starter. As for the center position, Brian Schwenke has been unable to stay healthy, and rookie Andy Gallik was overwhelmed. With the connection between Robinson and Licht the trade actually makes total sense. I bet the Titans would love to get their hands on Kevin Pamphile as well? Welcome to the Buccaneers Joey Bosa.
TB RT Demar Dotson – 75.6 overall – 72.4 pass block – 86.4 run block
TEN RT Byron Bell – 57.7 overall – 61.2 pass block – 41.7 run block
TB C Evan Dietrich-Smith 70.3 overall – 58.8 pass block -76.8 run block
TEN C Andy Gallik 27.2 overall – 27.8 pass block – 30.6 run block
February 16th, 2016 at 7:07 pm
I guess that makes Jameis Winston a coach killer too, Joe.
February 16th, 2016 at 7:09 pm
I’m in no hurry to find out Joe’s mancrush this year. I know one thing…it won’t be a college QB.
February 16th, 2016 at 7:28 pm
Joe, you’ve pretty much gotten lambasted, rightfully so, for the notion that Tenn would move down for that soft package. Please tell me somebody broke into the Joes’ credentials and typed this story up.
February 16th, 2016 at 7:50 pm
Nah………….Forget trading up!! The diff between Bosa, Ogbah, and Spence is minimal according to a consensus of the ‘experts’. Stay pat and get what we need Jason!!
February 16th, 2016 at 7:55 pm
1987,
You know what, the more I think and look at the overall draft boards of multiple outlets, I can see the Bucs come away with literally whatever they want.
Here’s my logic. 2 quarterbacks are going to come off the board in top ten pushing down two or more legit top tier prospects.
If Spence (off the field) checks out – he’s a strong prospect
If Spence is gone I can see Ronnie Stanley in play- rush the passer or protect the passer, we saw what both of those two components played this post season.
If Stanley is gone I can see big Man Child Buckner – Smith says he wants to stop the run and rush the passer. This freak can plug the middle and play 3 downs from the inside and literally command double teams every down.
Trade back a few spots and get extra picks to draft more players because of the DT and DE depth in the upper/mid rounds.
I mean literally we can’t go wrong this year. Now the real question is the FA picks, that’s going to be far more of a surprise given recent history of Bucs FA moves. No matter what I got a feeling Licht will stay true to his board and make the right pick, not the sexy pick!
February 16th, 2016 at 7:57 pm
I’m wit what SB just said.
February 16th, 2016 at 8:14 pm
There is zero chance that the Titans would make that trade. But I’d take it from the Bucs side.
February 16th, 2016 at 8:18 pm
This is why it’s every fanboy message board member’s dream “Hey Team A has a need, so-and-so said so. How about we trade our backups for the top pick!” Do you see how stupid that is? No, of course not.
Joe, throw your genius idea to Licht at the next presser. Say “Pat Kirwan says the Titans need o-line help, what about we trade two of our backups and a 2nd to move up to number one overall.” Look at the reaction. Just. Look. At. The. Reaction.
February 16th, 2016 at 8:57 pm
Like I said, if they think this is a surefire pro bowler JJ Watt type, then do it if possible. Normally though, I hate trading up, especially here because there is a lot of depth on the DL.
Not sure about Spence. The talent is there to wreak havoc but so is the Offield stuff. It’s a pretty young team to deal with that crap. Quite honestly, I trust Smith and Dirk And licht to get what they need.
The one I am leary of is Buckner.
I like Ogbah and Lawson.
The depth is there, so they should not be able to go wrong. I’m wondering what they do with a CB pick in round 2-3.
The biggest issue is history. With all the talented DL players, history pretty much shows that half will never live up to the billing on the first 2 rounds.
Choose Wisely.
February 16th, 2016 at 9:08 pm
Not a snow balls chance in hell that trade would happen. Why on earth trade up to #1 when Bosa will still be sitting there at #3 at the very least. Secondly, Bosa is not head and shoulders above the next four or five top rated defensive linemen in this class.
February 16th, 2016 at 9:09 pm
Good point Dave. It wasn’t long ago that D Bowers was supposed to be the #1 pick, then a first round pick, and then we “stole” him in the 2nd rd. I think Bosa is absolutely beast and has JJ Watt potential but that doesn’t mean it will happen. The fact that this draft is deep with DL indicates there is a better chance of success overall but nothing is a given.
February 16th, 2016 at 9:34 pm
Dodd. Clemson. I forgot about him. He may be better than Lawson and could be available in round 2 or a little trade up.
February 16th, 2016 at 9:34 pm
Leonard floyd in the draft looks like an awesome lb/de. He plays decent in in zone looks to have speed to play man. He plays the run well when in a lb position. He’s got a great speed/swim rush on the edge against the pass. Could put him in at de on 3rd downs or as a blitzer. I watched a tape on bosa and he missed several easy tackles watches plays a lil too often. Shaq lawson looks slow doesnt burst at the snap kinda gives a shoulder charge with his head down when outside run plays come his way. Noah spence looks like he gets swallowed up in one on ones too often. Leonard floyd looks like the best olb/de in the top 5. Bout to watch kevin dodd but floyd has a motor makes the tackles spins and rips to generate a pass rush. Dare i call him von miller? Idk i watched (leonard floyd vs vanderbilt) one game tape. I was impressed but i will watch another. **update Leonard floyd was just as high motored as the other game. My second favorite de would be kevin dodd.
February 16th, 2016 at 9:35 pm
Okay then. I’ll take either a trade up for Bosa or trade down for more picks.
February 16th, 2016 at 9:50 pm
The more I look at reports, Bosa does not seem worth it. Lot of sites say how he gets manhandled too much. I didn’t see him play much, so I’m just going by what I read.
I will say this, ogbah, spence, lawson, buckner, Dodd etc…. Plenty of depth there.
A lot of 6′ to 6’2″ CB available in round 2 -3 as well. Kids from The U, Baylor, etc…. All projected round 2-3. Partial to the Miami kid, Burns.
Basically, it seems they would be hard pressed to NOT. Land a starting DE and CB in the first 2 -3 rounds.
February 16th, 2016 at 9:52 pm
Hey NOSBOS……..we have been agreeing for years even if I’m a gator. You and 87 were right all along. I am man enough to admit my F-ups.
February 16th, 2016 at 9:54 pm
Or should I have just said ‘Nole’
February 16th, 2016 at 9:58 pm
One more thing on the draft prospects,some decent CBs could fall to round. If that happens and Fuller WR ND is there in round 2, I’d take him. He is the deep threat of the draft and would compliment Evans for years.
(And I can’t stand ND, but the kid is a game changer, one of the few in the draft on offense.
February 16th, 2016 at 10:00 pm
Bosa vs penn state looked alot better than bosa vs michigan state. But the variables are playcalling and opposing player talent (oline rb vision) gotta have to watch more. Which is the true bosa?
February 16th, 2016 at 10:06 pm
So I have talked myself into:
Rd 1- Buckner DE or Ogbah DE (earlier I said not sure on Buckner, meant bosa)
Rd 2 – Fuller WR ND or a possible trade up to land Spence DE if he falls to bottom of round 1.
Rd 3 – Burns CB The U
Rd 4 – safety or another DL
Rd 5 – OL and another DB and LB
February 16th, 2016 at 10:37 pm
Lovie Smiths defense is the coach killer. If he put out a decent defense last year the Bucs would’ve been 9-7. I know the talent on our defense is not as bad as it showed. It took Lovie all the way up until the Week 16 bears game to figure out the best starting corners, Banks, Verner and Moore.
February 16th, 2016 at 11:13 pm
JW got his coaches promoted not fired.
February 17th, 2016 at 12:20 am
I love the trade! The Titans get two starting lineman, a second round pick and #9 overall for Joey Bosa… The Titans could add two more starters on Oline with pick #9 and the other second… They could literally rebuild their entire line with this one deal…
February 17th, 2016 at 12:21 am
You guys do realize that Whisenhunt in an offensive coach, right? Like he was the main influence behind drafting and coaching Mariota.
You guys realize that Lovie was a defensive coach, right? He didn’t get fired because of poor offensive production.
You guys realize that the guy who coached Jameis got a promotion, right?
Lol
February 17th, 2016 at 3:21 am
@ Trubucfan: say it with me he was BACK-STABBED by the same man man he helped bring into the organization, granted LOVIE is out but let’s be truthful about it : THE CONSPIRACY CONTINUES TO RUN DEEP!!!
February 17th, 2016 at 3:59 am
I don’t know that I would do that deal to get Bosa. Everyone on this board is acting like there is a Winston or Luck or Manning on the board this season that is very coveted. This is not the case. The # 1 pick this year doesn’t hold the same value as the #2 pick did last season because Mariotta isn’t there. Without a “surefire” qb prospect, the pick is greatly devalued.
So the real question that the Titans would ask is would you trade Laramy Tunsil for Evan Smith, Demar Dotson, probably Ronnie Stanley and a 2nd.
February 17th, 2016 at 4:25 am
Lovie coached himself out of the league
February 17th, 2016 at 7:20 am
Mario and Jaboo are coach killers
99 is a qb killa
and the browns ruined the great Johnny Foosball!
February 17th, 2016 at 8:10 am
I am not sure if Spence actually did poorly in interviews or if teams are saying it so he falls in the draft to them.
February 17th, 2016 at 8:39 am
We threw away a first round pick a few years ago for nothing (Revis). Why not throw away two overrated O-liners and a 2nd for Bosa?
February 17th, 2016 at 9:13 am
From last night to now I changed my mind and a firm NO.
Too much value at DE will be there at 9 and in Rd 2.
No reason to trade up and I’m slowly convincing myself that
Bosa has more bust potential than Buckner, Ogbah, Spence, Dodd …
February 17th, 2016 at 9:39 am
For a bunch of people that hate on Joe and have nothing but smart @$$ remarks to his articles yall sure do love his web site and come back every day to read his articles and blog. He’s just throwing scenarios out there so yall have something to talk and comment about this time of the year. I’m pretty sure he has more insight than yall have combined.
February 17th, 2016 at 9:44 am
Thanks for the kind words bucs4lilfe. Joe understands he’s not everyone’s cup of tea.
February 17th, 2016 at 9:54 am
Not worth it tho. I don’t think Bosa is the next JJ Watt. I’m good with Spence if he gone VH3 is the next best option in my opinion. The only player I would consider trading up for is J.Ramsey, and u would only have to trade up a couple spots for him. U could play him @ Corner or safety, wich are two positions we have needs at. More so safety than corner cause I have faith in Banks, Verner and {Moore} –> (hopefully he gets resigned).
February 17th, 2016 at 9:58 am
Hey Joe can u tell me how to add my pic to my profile?? Can’t figure it out…
February 17th, 2016 at 2:14 pm
#1 this year is worth about 50-60% of last year. Bosa is no Jamis or Marcus. Uncertainty about the worth of all the pass rushers would eliminate a 9 to #1 trade. Sit tight until 3-4 picks and maybe make a smaller move then BUT DON”T GIVE UP #2. May get a better player than first round.
February 18th, 2016 at 1:59 am
I am really pretty far down on this comment section but i just wanted to tune in on the who we should draft part of this. I think alot of last years bad D-fence was in large part due to the poor coaching or lack of. Frazier and Smith combo was terrible. You can blame the corners all you want but when your team can’t stop a slant pass it’s not because a corner can’t do it its because a coach putts him in a bad situation.The Tampa -2 can only be run if you have a Sapp,Brooks, Barber,Lynch,and a Rice. We have none of them here. We could have one hell of a D-fence if we could get 2 pass rushers like the kid from OSU in the first round and the kid from BYU in the second round. And if we could get Cash and Joseph from Duke and West Virgina as safties i think you not only get the passs rushers you need, but you get the hard hitters you need in the secondary.Ramsey is not going to be there whem we pick,so 2 pass rushers and 2 safties on defence. Those 4 picks and the young nucleus of this defence along with the superior coaching, we would most defintely would be a playoff defence. We have the offence, BRING ON THE 2016 SEASON.