“Real Football” Mock For Hargreaves
February 29th, 2016
Some (not many) mock drafts get Joe’s attention.
Included is that special group is what comes today from former 11-year NFL quarterback Jim Miller, who co-hosts Movin’ The Chains (aka the greatest all-football show around) on SiriusXM NFL Radio.
Miller also works for the Bears and calls their preseason games, was a longtime voice for Michigan State football, and is found online at the special RealFootballNetwork.com.
Miller pumped out his first 2016 mock draft this morning. And it’s yet another having the Bucs pluck Gators cornerback Vernon Hargreaves off the board at No. 9 overall.
6. Baltimore – Jalen Ramsey, CB, FSU
Ramsey is the big corner John Harbaugh has been looking for to upgrade his secondary. Ladarius Webb will most likely be released.7. San Francisco – Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis
As of right now, it looks like Colin Kaepernick no longer wants to be a 49er. Trent Baalke and Chip Kelly say they expect him to be there, but if Kaepernick doesn’t understand that Kelly’s is the best offense to resurrect his career, then the team needs to move on!8. Miami – Deforest Buckner, DE, Oregon
Olivier Vernon is likely gone. Great! Get a stronger strong side DE who can get sacks, pressure, and free up Cam Wake when he gets healthy.9. Tampa Bay – Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida
Aggressive do-it-all cornerback who stops the run as well. Hello Carolina? This kid will not be afraid to stick his nose in NFL’s best rushing offense in Carolina with Jonathan Stewart or Cam Newton.
A tiny part of Joe’s soul dies every time the Bucs are projected to draft a cornerback. Why? Because Darrelle Revis, a surefire Hall of Famer, should still be on the Tampa Bay roster.
That aside, Joe has written loads about Hargreaves over the past two days, while live at the NFL Scouting Combine. Head back to the home page for an education. Joe could see the Bucs pulling the trigger on him. But man, manbeast defensive end DeForest Bucker (No. 8 above) would feel so much sweeter.
What’s comforting about Miller’s mock is that it has three quarterbacks going in the top-7 overall picks. The Bucs desperately want that scenario to play out.
February 29th, 2016 at 11:04 am
I like this kid he’s a baller !
February 29th, 2016 at 11:06 am
A tiny part of my soul dies every time the Bucs are projected to draft a cornerback. Why?
Championship teams are built in the trenches
We need either a Top Notch Offensive or Defensive Line Prospect.
Note: Wouldn’t be mad, if drafted RB Derrick Henry or LB Ragland though.
February 29th, 2016 at 11:14 am
I want bosa!!!! Trade mike Glennon !!!!
February 29th, 2016 at 11:14 am
We all watched the playoffs and the Superbowl!!! We all saw the formula for stopping cam newton!! We play in a very good/great QB division!! We all agreed the formula is D-line, D-line and more D-line!!!
The draft comes and some foam at the mouth for a CB??? Smdh!!
I ask again, who here will be upset if the first 2 picks are DE and DT????
February 29th, 2016 at 11:18 am
How many Super Bowls do you think Mr. Turns-31-in-July would have brought us Joe? If anything, Revis might have played just well enough to keep us out of the Chase-for-Jameis in 2014.
Of course the one Bucs team that had him went 4-12 and started 0-8 so maybe he would have been as unable to stop the sinking ship then as he did the year before.
February 29th, 2016 at 11:23 am
Not all of the best pass-rushers are DEs …jus’ sayin’.
February 29th, 2016 at 11:24 am
All we need are CB’s that are steady and don’t give up long plays….and those can be found in places other than the first couple rounds of the Draft. We NEED defensive ends and tackles that disrupt and get after opposing QB’s. We need pressure up front before anything else. We have a good young LB crew who can drop and cover, but (with the exception of GMC) we lack the kind of disruptive pressure up front that helps CB’s take the kind of chances that turn into turnovers.
February 29th, 2016 at 11:29 am
Buckner didn’t lift red flag,Nkemdiche killed it yesterday. Jay Hayes wants a dominant DT like the one he had in cincy. NKemdiche at 9 friendly wager Joe???
February 29th, 2016 at 11:32 am
Amen LMBucs. Football championships always have, and always will, be won in the trenches. Put the big money into building the from the core out.
My soul dies because our former #1 pick CB just collected a SB ring wearing someone else’s uni. Now we need another CB.
My soul dies because our former #1 pick SS had a banner year because someone else’s DCf figured out how to use his skillset. Now we need another SS.
My soul dies because our former #1 pick DE is still using up a roster spot. Now we need another speed rusher.
Draft well Jason. It’s the only way out of this misery.
February 29th, 2016 at 11:33 am
Am I the only one who wants to speculate who the bucs get AFTER free agency??? Still too early to guess right now.
February 29th, 2016 at 11:36 am
biff barker
Preach Brudda, Preach
February 29th, 2016 at 11:55 am
I guess I’m the only one that watched the Alabama Florida game when Amari Copper demolished Hargreaves.
February 29th, 2016 at 11:58 am
Realist…Buc1987 has been saying for well over a month now.
DL DL DL DL this offseason.
Bring in as MANY as you can until you find 2 good ones.
Damn it!
February 29th, 2016 at 12:00 pm
Buckner!
February 29th, 2016 at 12:21 pm
So in other words you have learned nothing. This is a glorified nothing. About 50% get to the next level and fail. They may look great here and then the let down. The only hope you have is Licht and company get it right.
February 29th, 2016 at 12:29 pm
DLs are a must.
Competent coaching will upgrade DBs!
February 29th, 2016 at 12:34 pm
With the 9th pick in the 2016 NFL draft. The Tampa Bay Bucs select CB Vernon Hargreaves out of the University of Florida. If that isn’t what Roger Goddell ends up saying something is seriously wrong. This kid is a game changer. 4.5 speed but he runs a 4.5 with pads on too. Best hands at CB in the draft and foot work. And the kid loves to tackle.
Shut down corner who isn’t afraid to tackle bigger guys. Please and thank you. Make it happen Licht
And for all the people saying no to a CB in the 1st round. A shut down guy will give your DL and LBs more time to get to the QB. There is plenty of talent at DE in free agency and in the 2-4 rounds of the draft. An elite corner is hard to come by. We passed on Joe Haden and we all know how bad that worked out. You know what the definition of making the same mistake over and over again is…
Draft Carl Nassib in the 3rd and sign Vernon in FA. Our DE prob is fixed and that will allow us to draft VH3 if he is still there at #9.
February 29th, 2016 at 12:36 pm
Amari Cooper
Calvin Ridley
February 29th, 2016 at 12:37 pm
Also, a shutdown corner cuts off half of the field. Imagine Banks as our #2 and Verner in the slot. We would have 3 legit CBs for many years to come. Makes too much sense to not draft the kid if he ends up there at #9.
February 29th, 2016 at 12:41 pm
We’re taking Spence. And just like Sapp dropped because of weed Spence has dropped from a top five to much lower because of ecstasy. He’ll be there at nine and we’ll take him.
Then we’ll have two Spences…Akeem and Noah.
February 29th, 2016 at 12:50 pm
If Buckner is there at 8 trade our 9 and Glennon and Licht’s swimming pool for Buckner.
February 29th, 2016 at 12:51 pm
X is a different animal than weed. Not worth the risk, imo. Btw, Sapp was also accused of coke and a smile.
February 29th, 2016 at 1:08 pm
Just watch Vernon Hargreaves against Cooper from Alabama or KB from FSU and that is a preview of what is going to happen to him in the NFL. He is in position to make plays but those guys are just bigger than him so it doesn’t matter that he is there. When matched up with those two in college he got eaten alive.
February 29th, 2016 at 1:13 pm
No, no, no, no, no, the Bucs should not invest the #9 overall pick in a cornerback! Championship teams are built from the offensive and defensive lines out. Building a defense from the secondary in is Mark Dominick’s method, and the last time I checked nobody has employed him to build a team for three off-seasons.
Everybody knows the Bucs need a pair (or more) of dominant pass rushers. Once the Bucs can put heat on opposing quarterbacks, they can plug mediocre players in the secondary and still win a ton of games.
Let’s also not forget that this team is going to be built around Jameis and they will score a lot of points. The Bucs don’t have to rebuild the Sapp/Brooks/Lynch/Barber defense to shut down opposing offenses, they just need to get in the way long enough for the offense to run up the score.
February 29th, 2016 at 1:46 pm
Idbrather take Ronnie stanley over Hargreaves or Slow as Bukner
February 29th, 2016 at 2:31 pm
ndog,
I thought I was the only one.
February 29th, 2016 at 2:37 pm
Just google “vernon hargreaves kelvin benjamin” and look at the images. All I see is Benjamin making catches and Hargreaves isn’t even close to getting the ball or stopping him.
February 29th, 2016 at 3:00 pm
Adarius Stewart, Bama’s #2 receiver caught passes over Hargreaves. As a Buc fan I expect a better pick from Licht.
February 29th, 2016 at 4:04 pm
He has us taking a CB with Noah Spence still on the board? Hah! That’ll happen!
February 29th, 2016 at 4:07 pm
Noah Spence
February 29th, 2016 at 4:08 pm
@The Buc Realist
I would not be upset at all.
Now here’s a question back at you…if the Bucs trade Gerald McCoy to Jacksonville for their 5th overall pick, and then draft Bosa…and then draft Spence at 9…then trade back into the bottom of the first for a DT…would you be upset?
February 29th, 2016 at 4:09 pm
And I like McCoy.
February 29th, 2016 at 4:56 pm
@bamarich and ndog, Benjamin and Cooper did that to everybody they played against that’s why both were first rounders…he did shut down odell beckham for 2 catches 47 yards 0 td’s…he also shut down Jarvis landry and Rashard green and give l.treadwell fits this year….I hope we draft him at #9 and stack the dline in rounds 2-5..draft 2 dt’s and 2 de’s….@realist I would only be mad if we drafted a de and dt with our 1st and 2nd pick not named buckner(1st) or nkemdechi(2nd) and hope and pray William Jackson is available in the 3rd…GO BUCS!!!
February 29th, 2016 at 5:06 pm
@realist…I like that but I would rather have bosa and buckner…not sold on spence…when I watched the senior bowl, he got mauled by spencer drango and other tcks(t.decker and a tckl from ark.) in the run…
@bama and @ben…lol…you guys act like benjiman was a 5th round pick…the guy was a 23year old redshirt soph for crying out loud……GO BUCS!!!
February 29th, 2016 at 5:10 pm
@Bonzai
I like McCoy as well, He is all we got when it comes to the D-line. I would want more from the trade, because he is a “proven player” been to multiple probowls and Licht did the hard work of resigning him and is under contract till 2021 which means the team that owns his contract has control over him the rest of his career!!!
But if they do not get other top notch D-line to play with McCoy, then what is the sense of having him on this team, just to be double teamed and neutralized!!!! What is the point in that!!!
February 29th, 2016 at 5:12 pm
@813bucboi
I am not “waving the flag” for anyone, rather just wandering what others thought about a DT and DE in the top selections, since Joe is trying to get a CB!!!
February 29th, 2016 at 6:09 pm
Good point Joe, is any CB worth TWO first round picks, 2013 and 2016?
February 29th, 2016 at 6:45 pm
@Bonzai
I like McCoy too, but I’d love that trade. He is nowhere near worth the 5th pick in the draft though. He wasn’t worth the 3rd pick in 2010, he’s not worth the 5th now.
February 29th, 2016 at 6:49 pm
If I am correct Hargreaves was a true freshman when he played against Kelvin Benjamin. Just sayin
February 29th, 2016 at 8:36 pm
A top 10 pick should be special Hargraves is not “special ” but the problem is it is not clear who is special in this draft.
February 29th, 2016 at 8:40 pm
Watching all of these guys in big spots non of them stood out. Bosa did nothing against bama, Buckner did nothing against ohio state, Hargraves did nothing against anyone any good,. Shaq Lawson did always seem to step up, maybe he’s the pick.
February 29th, 2016 at 8:49 pm
On another note… Jim and Pat’s website is simply amazing.
February 29th, 2016 at 10:19 pm
I’m with Joe, Buckner is a beast. He would compliment GMC and Smith. We made the right choice and passed up the duck last year to get one this year.
March 1st, 2016 at 8:00 am
Im,not sold on Spence either, he ran a slow 40 for his size, don’t know if he’s worth a top ten pick. I know VH3 is your rolling the 🎲with Noah Spence.