The bucs have $52-59 million in cap space right now.
In 2-4 years, they are probably going to need to pay Jameis $20m+ a season.
Even with a “new” coach, there are reasonable expectations the Bucs are going to improve this season, and the NFL is a win-now league.
It doesn’t particularly matter how much they pay Martin right now, as long as that amount disappears as Martin’s legs begin to fade, and Jameis needs to be paid.
There is no good reason to get rid of your best players when you have the cap room to keep them.
Personally, I’m not sure who Doug Martin is. He was great this year and his rookie season. The other seasons he displayed poor vision and constantly running into his own guys. Plus, it took this season to get in the best shape of his career. That makes me wonder how would he respond when he’s paid more with more years.
If we some how lost Doug, then I wouldn’t be too upset about it. Running back are easier to replace due to the learning curve versus the other offensive positions. Plus, the contractual value of running back are much lower compared to 10 years ago.
Tough call on Martin. Eleven million sounds like a big pile of money. Oh that’s right, inflation has eaten away those dollars value. These NFL salaries, like the rising cost of living are too damn high.
Look, if the Bucs get outbid by some crazy team then the Bucs will get a very high compensatory pick!!! There is no way that the Bucs walk away empty handed in this deal!!!
Martin and agent really want to be in the 8 million plus club. But with just the one year it is not realistic!!! I say throw down the 5 million a year with incentives up to 8.5 million!!!
The franchise tag is basically a one year contract for him to show what he can do…again. Letting him go for nothing after having a great season is not a good move. Even worse is that the Titans will surely bring him in for a look and now Mariota gets a good running game and we have to gamble to see if Sims is an every down back.
Licht already eff’d up not picking up the 5th year option on his rookie deal putting us in this shtty scenario in the first place. I don’t accept the premise that a deal on a contract can’t be reached before free agency. If that should occur then Licht is nothing more than an incompetent fool like all the rest that have run this franchise into the ground.
The Bucs drafted Martin, he has earned a contract, pay the man.
Unless it interferes with our ability to sign Von Miller ( which ain’t gonna happen ) 110% yes you do pay The Dougernaught 11 million for 1 season. Cause if he slips back to his old ways of running headfirst into the asses of his O-line man. Don’t see that happening though if he trains and conditions his body and mind like he did last off season. Then you’re not locked into a long term deal at position that A. Is very fluid due to the violent nature of the game – and B. You have a stud of a third year back in your stable that averaged nearly 7 yards per touch.
I think the franchise tag is actually the best option. Its a 1 yr rental, time to develop Jameis, Simms and maybe you dip in to a deep 2017 rv draft. I think locking him up 5 years likely leaves us with dead money by year 3 if he stays healthy. Yes taking the 5th year option would have been ideal but we can’t go back and change that now.
Dallasbuc.. So based on yrs 2 & 3 of DMs career you would have signed him to a $6Mfor a 5th year? What if he has a crappy year in 16? Thank god you’re not in charge of anything except asking if I want fries. What bad position is the team in an DM in? Not picking up the option was the best scenario for both sides.
Yes, you tag him and sign him to a long term deal. If you can’t get it done in by the deadline, tag him and get it done before the season.
If you let him walk to “test” the market, you can kiss his butt good bye. He will find someone willing to pay RBs what RBs are worth. And low ball their star players. It would a huge mistake to let Martin walk. Sign him long term and put this whole thing in the rear view mirror.
given the fact Martin has proven he is a 50/50 back 2 good years 2 bad years…you give him a 3 deal with most of the guaranteed money in first and second year with a 4th year team option but no team in the league is going to overpay or throw stupid money at a 27 year old running back with 2 good years and 2 bad years. Not going to happen. I like dog martin and think he is a talented back but running backs are a dime a dozen these days. Also look at the the playoff teams non really had that dominant back. I maybe off a little but I read somewhere that only 2 of the final 12 playoff f teams had 1,00o plus yd backs. Jameis will make any running back better because for the first time in a very long time bucs now have a qb that can put the fear of god in the opposing team. makes th entire offense better.
If the Bucs were the Rays, I’d say let him walk. Too much money for a RB, a position that finds a new positive product out of thin air every year.
But the Bucs are not the Rays. They have some of the most spending money every year, and it’s not like they break the bank every year for guys like VJax, or Revis.
Why take away Jameis’ biggest weapon and biggest relief away when you can easily bring him back without harming the team? That’s just plain stupid. Charles Sims had a good year, yes, but he’s no Dougie, and him and Dougie were a great pair last year.
You can still sign Martin while also signing VJax, a DE, and another position of need.
If you take the approach of valuing a business or real estate and use similar comparisons of recent transactions, it’s pretty clear that Martin is worth at least $6M and possibly up to $9M per season.
If the team feels that he’s only worth the lower end of that spectrum, then the franchise tag amount of $11M is way out of line. If the team feels that he’s worth $8M-$9M per season, then it might make sense to give him the extra money and make him prove that he can be a star player again.
I personally believe that the 2012 and 2015 performances are the true Doug Martin. He was seriously injured on a bonehead play call in 2013 that landed him on IR and then he had an off-year in 2014 when the offense was rudderless under the ill-suited Marcus Arroyo’s leadership.
When Martin is healthy and has a legitimate offensive coordinator, he’s proven that he’s an elite ball carrier. I wish he had a little bit more speed and softer hands as a receiver, but he’s still among the very best in the league.
If I was calling the shots, I’d offer him a 4 year deal averaging $8M per year that had a team-friendly way out after 2 seasons. Hopefully, the Bucs will need that money to extend Winston after 3 or 4 more seasons.
Do you all think if Jameis were in Cam’s position to recover that fumble late in the super bowl that Jameis would have let up and essentially given up?
If the Bucs tagged him for a year they could see what they have – but $11-mil for a running back is a ton of money. Then again what else are they going to spend their money on? If they’re not going to spend it in free agency as it has been reported again and again, then go ahead and overpay and then revisit the issue next year.
February 13th, 2016 at 8:38 am
Dougernaut has shown he can be elite.
The bucs have $52-59 million in cap space right now.
In 2-4 years, they are probably going to need to pay Jameis $20m+ a season.
Even with a “new” coach, there are reasonable expectations the Bucs are going to improve this season, and the NFL is a win-now league.
It doesn’t particularly matter how much they pay Martin right now, as long as that amount disappears as Martin’s legs begin to fade, and Jameis needs to be paid.
There is no good reason to get rid of your best players when you have the cap room to keep them.
February 13th, 2016 at 8:38 am
“No”
Doug is awesome, but he’s not eleven million dollars awesome. That money should be spent on the most valuable commodities in the game:
– trenches, protecting Americas an
– pass rush, putting opposing QBs on their butts
Doug is a mighty fine player, but he is not the best at his position. Doug is not Going to be tagged by the Bucs.
February 13th, 2016 at 8:56 am
Personally, I’m not sure who Doug Martin is. He was great this year and his rookie season. The other seasons he displayed poor vision and constantly running into his own guys. Plus, it took this season to get in the best shape of his career. That makes me wonder how would he respond when he’s paid more with more years.
If we some how lost Doug, then I wouldn’t be too upset about it. Running back are easier to replace due to the learning curve versus the other offensive positions. Plus, the contractual value of running back are much lower compared to 10 years ago.
February 13th, 2016 at 9:04 am
Tough call on Martin. Eleven million sounds like a big pile of money. Oh that’s right, inflation has eaten away those dollars value. These NFL salaries, like the rising cost of living are too damn high.
February 13th, 2016 at 9:22 am
Look, if the Bucs get outbid by some crazy team then the Bucs will get a very high compensatory pick!!! There is no way that the Bucs walk away empty handed in this deal!!!
Martin and agent really want to be in the 8 million plus club. But with just the one year it is not realistic!!! I say throw down the 5 million a year with incentives up to 8.5 million!!!
February 13th, 2016 at 9:37 am
The franchise tag is basically a one year contract for him to show what he can do…again. Letting him go for nothing after having a great season is not a good move. Even worse is that the Titans will surely bring him in for a look and now Mariota gets a good running game and we have to gamble to see if Sims is an every down back.
February 13th, 2016 at 10:03 am
Licht already eff’d up not picking up the 5th year option on his rookie deal putting us in this shtty scenario in the first place. I don’t accept the premise that a deal on a contract can’t be reached before free agency. If that should occur then Licht is nothing more than an incompetent fool like all the rest that have run this franchise into the ground.
The Bucs drafted Martin, he has earned a contract, pay the man.
February 13th, 2016 at 10:03 am
Unless it interferes with our ability to sign Von Miller ( which ain’t gonna happen ) 110% yes you do pay The Dougernaught 11 million for 1 season. Cause if he slips back to his old ways of running headfirst into the asses of his O-line man. Don’t see that happening though if he trains and conditions his body and mind like he did last off season. Then you’re not locked into a long term deal at position that A. Is very fluid due to the violent nature of the game – and B. You have a stud of a third year back in your stable that averaged nearly 7 yards per touch.
Pay the man.
February 13th, 2016 at 10:23 am
I think the franchise tag is actually the best option. Its a 1 yr rental, time to develop Jameis, Simms and maybe you dip in to a deep 2017 rv draft. I think locking him up 5 years likely leaves us with dead money by year 3 if he stays healthy. Yes taking the 5th year option would have been ideal but we can’t go back and change that now.
February 13th, 2016 at 10:34 am
Dallasbuc.. So based on yrs 2 & 3 of DMs career you would have signed him to a $6Mfor a 5th year? What if he has a crappy year in 16? Thank god you’re not in charge of anything except asking if I want fries. What bad position is the team in an DM in? Not picking up the option was the best scenario for both sides.
February 13th, 2016 at 11:39 am
Yes, you tag him and sign him to a long term deal. If you can’t get it done in by the deadline, tag him and get it done before the season.
If you let him walk to “test” the market, you can kiss his butt good bye. He will find someone willing to pay RBs what RBs are worth. And low ball their star players. It would a huge mistake to let Martin walk. Sign him long term and put this whole thing in the rear view mirror.
February 13th, 2016 at 11:45 am
given the fact Martin has proven he is a 50/50 back 2 good years 2 bad years…you give him a 3 deal with most of the guaranteed money in first and second year with a 4th year team option but no team in the league is going to overpay or throw stupid money at a 27 year old running back with 2 good years and 2 bad years. Not going to happen. I like dog martin and think he is a talented back but running backs are a dime a dozen these days. Also look at the the playoff teams non really had that dominant back. I maybe off a little but I read somewhere that only 2 of the final 12 playoff f teams had 1,00o plus yd backs. Jameis will make any running back better because for the first time in a very long time bucs now have a qb that can put the fear of god in the opposing team. makes th entire offense better.
February 13th, 2016 at 11:50 am
I don’t want to be like this, but anyone who voted ‘No’ is kind of a moron.
At least when it comes to the Bucs, that is.
February 13th, 2016 at 12:25 pm
Wow, pretty close poll.
If the Bucs were the Rays, I’d say let him walk. Too much money for a RB, a position that finds a new positive product out of thin air every year.
But the Bucs are not the Rays. They have some of the most spending money every year, and it’s not like they break the bank every year for guys like VJax, or Revis.
Why take away Jameis’ biggest weapon and biggest relief away when you can easily bring him back without harming the team? That’s just plain stupid. Charles Sims had a good year, yes, but he’s no Dougie, and him and Dougie were a great pair last year.
You can still sign Martin while also signing VJax, a DE, and another position of need.
February 13th, 2016 at 1:18 pm
If you take the approach of valuing a business or real estate and use similar comparisons of recent transactions, it’s pretty clear that Martin is worth at least $6M and possibly up to $9M per season.
If the team feels that he’s only worth the lower end of that spectrum, then the franchise tag amount of $11M is way out of line. If the team feels that he’s worth $8M-$9M per season, then it might make sense to give him the extra money and make him prove that he can be a star player again.
I personally believe that the 2012 and 2015 performances are the true Doug Martin. He was seriously injured on a bonehead play call in 2013 that landed him on IR and then he had an off-year in 2014 when the offense was rudderless under the ill-suited Marcus Arroyo’s leadership.
When Martin is healthy and has a legitimate offensive coordinator, he’s proven that he’s an elite ball carrier. I wish he had a little bit more speed and softer hands as a receiver, but he’s still among the very best in the league.
If I was calling the shots, I’d offer him a 4 year deal averaging $8M per year that had a team-friendly way out after 2 seasons. Hopefully, the Bucs will need that money to extend Winston after 3 or 4 more seasons.
February 13th, 2016 at 2:03 pm
Yes! Its only one year.
February 13th, 2016 at 3:37 pm
OT:
Do you all think if Jameis were in Cam’s position to recover that fumble late in the super bowl that Jameis would have let up and essentially given up?
The NFL MVP is soft.
February 13th, 2016 at 3:49 pm
Why would some of you not want to pay the man? A top three back in the league, in his prime and the team has no salary-cap issues.
Makes no sense
February 14th, 2016 at 12:51 am
If the Bucs tagged him for a year they could see what they have – but $11-mil for a running back is a ton of money. Then again what else are they going to spend their money on? If they’re not going to spend it in free agency as it has been reported again and again, then go ahead and overpay and then revisit the issue next year.
February 14th, 2016 at 7:12 pm
No let him go and draft E.Elliott from OSU