Hell yes. I didn’t want Lovie as HC in the first place. I haven’t agreed to any of the hiring orchestrated by the Glazers since firing Gruden. Now I have a little more faith in them, after this move, and here’s hoping that they’ll stay out of the search and let Licht hire the person that will, hopefully, lead the Bucs for many years to come.
Firing a coach is never desirable, because that means you are losing games, but that doesnt mean you dont cut a coach who sucks balls. Literally the worst on field product ive ever seen in my history of watching the bucs since i was old enough to understand football back in ’96 and 97
Perhaps the national media types should come here at take a look at this here poll. I’m quite sure the results won’t be much different when it’s all said and done.
I’m good with the decision to fire Lovie. Too stubborn to adjust and to nice to install discipline. Please hire Koetter and bring in a good 43 Defensive Coordinator. We deseve a good hire. Go Bucs!
I’m glad the Glazer’s sacked up and did this, it was definitely the right move. Love is easily one of the worst game managers I’ve ever seen. Titans, Bears, Skins games were absolute travesties of coaching, just to name three off the top of my head. He defaults to coaching to lose but after he got criticized for that, he lost when he tried to coach to win. Simpy put, the Bucs lost games because of Lovie and won games in spite of him.
National talking heads have never been more clueless, clearly didn’t get to watch the Bucs play last season. We could very well have been headed to the playoffs next year with Lovie but we would never take that next step, I am 100% confident in that.
Quality man but bad coach and personnel guy. He ran off some good players and brought in expensive inferior players to try to run a bad defensive scheme. Never made in game adjustments and just too many blowouts and penalties to tolerate. Also hired son and cronies to staff and it showed in bad coaching. I’m not gonna cry for a guy that walks away with 10 million.
McDermott and Koetter for co-HC’s both reporting to Licht and with equal and separate powers (defense and offense respectively).
The whole point of Koetter-mania is to continue the historically good offense from this year. If Koetter gets taxed by the situation, or distracted from Winston then that defeats the point.
Realist- only your one vote is required. As it turns out suddenly all the “real” fans (fan police) are with us and in favor of what’s best for our Bucs.
The sweet irony.
Since I voted zero or no confidence on every JBF Lovie confidence poll, I certainly voted YES on this poll. I believe The Buc Realist said in an earlier post that he lost confidence in Lovie when he brought in Josh McCown to this team. I actually wanted Josh McCown to be hired, but was flabbergasted when Lovie installed him as the starter without even having a preseason competition. Similarly, he jettisoned several players before even one OTA or mini-camp to show their skills or work ethic. As the sole surviving member of the MGM, I still can’t believe that Lovie never let MG8 play and develop to see if he could be an every day starter, especially when McCown proved so inept. There is no doubt in my mind that we would have won more than two games in 2014, and likely more than 6 games in 2015 with Glennon as the third year starter.
Lovie seemed to want to rid the team of every vestige of the Schiano regime.
I have the same worries. There are a couple little divas on the offensive side of the ball that just don’t seem to get how things work in the big show. I haven’t seen much discipline delt out over the stupid penalties and bad attitudes. Is Koetter gonna be able to keep these guys grounded if hired on as HC? Can he teach them to be professionals and carry themselves appropriately on the field? These are the only concerns I have with Koetter, I’m very happy and excited about his workings with Winston and getting a better picture of what this offense could look like as it developes more.
tickrdr… hold up, you are not the sole surviving member of the MGM. Quite a few still out here.
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Well, I stand corrected then. But I am pretty sure our bunker would be rather small at this point. Nevertheless, I have been keeping my ammunition dry, if you get my drift.
“I haven’t seen much discipline delt out over the stupid penalties and bad attitudes. Is Koetter gonna be able to keep these guys grounded if hired on as HC?”
This is a concern… Having second thoughts on Dirk…
Joe or anyone read that article on scout.com about Koetter and his time at ASU? Maybe that’s why no one has really wanted him to coach their team. If that’s true then no wonder the Bucs are seriously looking at other candidates. All that is unbelievable!!
Lovie put the Bucs in a good position with his failures as a coach. Josh Mccown lead to Jameis and the gutting of our o line made it much younger. The defense is still a mess but have a feeling a lot of former Bears will be off the roster.
Those 2 articles / the background info on dirk is kind of alarming. I think a lot of coaches do those types of things to get their players eligible, but some of those details are disturbing.
whats the background on Sean McDermott? Maybe keep dirk as OC / promote as assistant HC, and hire McDermott as the HC. Also like the Patriots DC.
I feel like if it was to keep Dirk Koetter then okay, i get it. I read the posts all the time and i understand most of you alls complaints about Lovie. The stubbornness with the cover 2, not adjusting during games, undisciplined team, got it. But the man should have had another year to get some more of his guys on defense. The pickings were slim in free agency for cover 2 players so he was stuck with the guys we had. This was supposed to be the year that Lovie and Licht draft defense (hopefully we still do because we surely need it) but he simply did not have the talent on the defensive side of the ball to do what he wanted to do. Im okay if its for Koetter but if not, we should have let Lovie play out his plan/finish his contract. This merry go round with coaches is making me dizzy!
He definitely deserved to be fired. 8 wins in 2 years? Especially when most losses come at the hands of bad teams. We made backup QBs look like first ballot HOFers. Most games were lost in an embarrassing fashion. When you are longing for a return of Schiano after a game you know you’re in trouble lol
It might just be you two, me, and Glennon’s brother left in the MGM, but on the bright side we can get a 6 pack and have a couple unclaimed beers left over at the MGM meeting 🙂 Winston impressed me this past year, but that doesn’t diminish the confidence I have in MG8 if his number got called to step in. As for Lovie being fired, he wasn’t getting $5M a year to be a mentor alone…he needed to win games in the process. He gets $10M to sit home and who knows maybe he gets a shot at DC somewhere (assuming there’s a team that wants a D that takes all pro players two or more seasons to master yet still will get toasted regardless)
In a perfect world, Saints would fire payton, Brees would retire and the Saints would then hire Lovie and he would sign Freeman to be their starter. And we would spend years dominating them both. A man can dream.
The Rams game was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. My uneducated opinion is that the defensive scheme was horribly flawed – no scheme that allows such a high completion percentage is viable in today’s NFL given the more stringent defensive rules and more accurate passers. My biggest concern, however, was the utter lack of discipline displayed by nearly the entire team for nearly the entire game. They were beaten physically and mentally by a mediocre team. In my experience, the most common reason for an entire team to lose its cool with the refs and opposing team is either: 1) a complete lack of accountability, or 2) a belief that the coach will not stand up for them to to end the perceived injustices ( multiple uncalled unnecessary roughness/personal fouls ). Both of these are on the coach. I thought the team’s performance on national television that night was embarrassing and inexcusable, and could not see a situation where the coach could survive such a showing.
I think its a combo of 1 and 2 BcuLaw. I cant remember 1 time where Lovie stood up to the refs over horrendous calls. He just accepted it like a victim of domestic violence abuse and went with his day. And we all know Lovie NEVER held himself accountable or anything so why would the players?..
January 8th, 2016 at 6:58 pm
Yes.
It was time, he was unwilling to adjust his approach and staff. Good riddance.
January 8th, 2016 at 7:01 pm
Hell yes. I didn’t want Lovie as HC in the first place. I haven’t agreed to any of the hiring orchestrated by the Glazers since firing Gruden. Now I have a little more faith in them, after this move, and here’s hoping that they’ll stay out of the search and let Licht hire the person that will, hopefully, lead the Bucs for many years to come.
January 8th, 2016 at 7:08 pm
I agree with this pole Lovie is not a motivator and has no charisma….
in other words …Boring…. Licht We need Some Fire Back at One Buc
January 8th, 2016 at 7:10 pm
Pained me to vote yes.
January 8th, 2016 at 7:16 pm
Had my doubts when hired,but gave him a chance…..he couldn’t get it done.
Simple as that
✌
January 8th, 2016 at 7:18 pm
The decision beats the alternative decision to not fire Lovie.
January 8th, 2016 at 7:19 pm
Only because his defensive mind is broken
January 8th, 2016 at 7:24 pm
I only regret that I have only but one vote for my Bucs!!!!
Change and Optimism is in the air again!!!!
January 8th, 2016 at 7:25 pm
Most overated ex NFL coach. National media act as tho he was the next coming of Vince Lombardi.
January 8th, 2016 at 7:34 pm
YES
I am hoping we get a new head coach with some swagger and fire.
January 8th, 2016 at 7:38 pm
I do not understand why people are mad about the move when he failed in every aspect of his job.
January 8th, 2016 at 7:41 pm
Abso effing lutely
January 8th, 2016 at 7:43 pm
Firing a coach is never desirable, because that means you are losing games, but that doesnt mean you dont cut a coach who sucks balls. Literally the worst on field product ive ever seen in my history of watching the bucs since i was old enough to understand football back in ’96 and 97
January 8th, 2016 at 7:43 pm
Perhaps the national media types should come here at take a look at this here poll. I’m quite sure the results won’t be much different when it’s all said and done.
January 8th, 2016 at 7:52 pm
Yes, if that was the only way to keep DK!
January 8th, 2016 at 7:59 pm
Go back to your basement Lovie, which is where you left this team the last 2 seasons.
January 8th, 2016 at 8:06 pm
I’m good with the decision to fire Lovie. Too stubborn to adjust and to nice to install discipline. Please hire Koetter and bring in a good 43 Defensive Coordinator. We deseve a good hire. Go Bucs!
January 8th, 2016 at 8:07 pm
I’m glad the Glazer’s sacked up and did this, it was definitely the right move. Love is easily one of the worst game managers I’ve ever seen. Titans, Bears, Skins games were absolute travesties of coaching, just to name three off the top of my head. He defaults to coaching to lose but after he got criticized for that, he lost when he tried to coach to win. Simpy put, the Bucs lost games because of Lovie and won games in spite of him.
National talking heads have never been more clueless, clearly didn’t get to watch the Bucs play last season. We could very well have been headed to the playoffs next year with Lovie but we would never take that next step, I am 100% confident in that.
January 8th, 2016 at 8:41 pm
Quality man but bad coach and personnel guy. He ran off some good players and brought in expensive inferior players to try to run a bad defensive scheme. Never made in game adjustments and just too many blowouts and penalties to tolerate. Also hired son and cronies to staff and it showed in bad coaching. I’m not gonna cry for a guy that walks away with 10 million.
January 8th, 2016 at 8:45 pm
McDermott and Koetter for co-HC’s both reporting to Licht and with equal and separate powers (defense and offense respectively).
The whole point of Koetter-mania is to continue the historically good offense from this year. If Koetter gets taxed by the situation, or distracted from Winston then that defeats the point.
January 8th, 2016 at 9:29 pm
Um…that says it all
January 8th, 2016 at 9:31 pm
I love Lovie now that he is gone.
January 8th, 2016 at 9:32 pm
Realist- only your one vote is required. As it turns out suddenly all the “real” fans (fan police) are with us and in favor of what’s best for our Bucs.
The sweet irony.
January 8th, 2016 at 10:20 pm
Since I voted zero or no confidence on every JBF Lovie confidence poll, I certainly voted YES on this poll. I believe The Buc Realist said in an earlier post that he lost confidence in Lovie when he brought in Josh McCown to this team. I actually wanted Josh McCown to be hired, but was flabbergasted when Lovie installed him as the starter without even having a preseason competition. Similarly, he jettisoned several players before even one OTA or mini-camp to show their skills or work ethic. As the sole surviving member of the MGM, I still can’t believe that Lovie never let MG8 play and develop to see if he could be an every day starter, especially when McCown proved so inept. There is no doubt in my mind that we would have won more than two games in 2014, and likely more than 6 games in 2015 with Glennon as the third year starter.
Lovie seemed to want to rid the team of every vestige of the Schiano regime.
tickrdr
January 8th, 2016 at 10:44 pm
Read an article from Koetter’s days at ASU. It came across that he let a lot of players run wild under his watch.
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/into-the-fire-6404613
Any thoughts Joe??
Ive been in Koetter’s corner since mid-season, but after reading that article, Im wondering if he’ll be able to keep this young team under control.
January 8th, 2016 at 11:14 pm
tickrdr… hold up, you are not the sole surviving member of the MGM. Quite a few still out here.
January 8th, 2016 at 11:21 pm
This guy right here
I have the same worries. There are a couple little divas on the offensive side of the ball that just don’t seem to get how things work in the big show. I haven’t seen much discipline delt out over the stupid penalties and bad attitudes. Is Koetter gonna be able to keep these guys grounded if hired on as HC? Can he teach them to be professionals and carry themselves appropriately on the field? These are the only concerns I have with Koetter, I’m very happy and excited about his workings with Winston and getting a better picture of what this offense could look like as it developes more.
January 8th, 2016 at 11:27 pm
Buccfan37 Says:
January 8th, 2016 at 11:14 pm
tickrdr… hold up, you are not the sole surviving member of the MGM. Quite a few still out here.
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Well, I stand corrected then. But I am pretty sure our bunker would be rather small at this point. Nevertheless, I have been keeping my ammunition dry, if you get my drift.
tickrdr
January 9th, 2016 at 12:10 am
It doesn’t matter wnat sport you’re coaching a record of 8-24 will get you fired!
Football,basketball,soccer,you name it 8-24=fired!
January 9th, 2016 at 12:21 am
“I haven’t seen much discipline delt out over the stupid penalties and bad attitudes. Is Koetter gonna be able to keep these guys grounded if hired on as HC?”
This is a concern… Having second thoughts on Dirk…
F- it! Lets just go All Out & Get Jimbo!
January 9th, 2016 at 2:32 am
Joe or anyone read that article on scout.com about Koetter and his time at ASU? Maybe that’s why no one has really wanted him to coach their team. If that’s true then no wonder the Bucs are seriously looking at other candidates. All that is unbelievable!!
January 9th, 2016 at 3:22 am
Lovie put the Bucs in a good position with his failures as a coach. Josh Mccown lead to Jameis and the gutting of our o line made it much younger. The defense is still a mess but have a feeling a lot of former Bears will be off the roster.
January 9th, 2016 at 3:33 am
Those 2 articles / the background info on dirk is kind of alarming. I think a lot of coaches do those types of things to get their players eligible, but some of those details are disturbing.
whats the background on Sean McDermott? Maybe keep dirk as OC / promote as assistant HC, and hire McDermott as the HC. Also like the Patriots DC.
January 9th, 2016 at 8:06 am
I voted unsure right now.
I feel like if it was to keep Dirk Koetter then okay, i get it. I read the posts all the time and i understand most of you alls complaints about Lovie. The stubbornness with the cover 2, not adjusting during games, undisciplined team, got it. But the man should have had another year to get some more of his guys on defense. The pickings were slim in free agency for cover 2 players so he was stuck with the guys we had. This was supposed to be the year that Lovie and Licht draft defense (hopefully we still do because we surely need it) but he simply did not have the talent on the defensive side of the ball to do what he wanted to do. Im okay if its for Koetter but if not, we should have let Lovie play out his plan/finish his contract. This merry go round with coaches is making me dizzy!
January 9th, 2016 at 10:02 am
He definitely deserved to be fired. 8 wins in 2 years? Especially when most losses come at the hands of bad teams. We made backup QBs look like first ballot HOFers. Most games were lost in an embarrassing fashion. When you are longing for a return of Schiano after a game you know you’re in trouble lol
January 9th, 2016 at 10:16 am
@ Buccfan37 and tickrdr
It might just be you two, me, and Glennon’s brother left in the MGM, but on the bright side we can get a 6 pack and have a couple unclaimed beers left over at the MGM meeting 🙂 Winston impressed me this past year, but that doesn’t diminish the confidence I have in MG8 if his number got called to step in. As for Lovie being fired, he wasn’t getting $5M a year to be a mentor alone…he needed to win games in the process. He gets $10M to sit home and who knows maybe he gets a shot at DC somewhere (assuming there’s a team that wants a D that takes all pro players two or more seasons to master yet still will get toasted regardless)
January 9th, 2016 at 11:15 am
In a perfect world, Saints would fire payton, Brees would retire and the Saints would then hire Lovie and he would sign Freeman to be their starter. And we would spend years dominating them both. A man can dream.
January 9th, 2016 at 11:18 am
The Rams game was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. My uneducated opinion is that the defensive scheme was horribly flawed – no scheme that allows such a high completion percentage is viable in today’s NFL given the more stringent defensive rules and more accurate passers. My biggest concern, however, was the utter lack of discipline displayed by nearly the entire team for nearly the entire game. They were beaten physically and mentally by a mediocre team. In my experience, the most common reason for an entire team to lose its cool with the refs and opposing team is either: 1) a complete lack of accountability, or 2) a belief that the coach will not stand up for them to to end the perceived injustices ( multiple uncalled unnecessary roughness/personal fouls ). Both of these are on the coach. I thought the team’s performance on national television that night was embarrassing and inexcusable, and could not see a situation where the coach could survive such a showing.
January 9th, 2016 at 11:21 am
I think its a combo of 1 and 2 BcuLaw. I cant remember 1 time where Lovie stood up to the refs over horrendous calls. He just accepted it like a victim of domestic violence abuse and went with his day. And we all know Lovie NEVER held himself accountable or anything so why would the players?..
January 9th, 2016 at 3:10 pm
No.
But it’s done, so moving on. Just like the last 4 times.
January 9th, 2016 at 4:21 pm
338 Idiots.