Team Glazer “Panicked”
January 9th, 2016
Disappointed in Team Glazer.
One man who is not on board with Team Glazer running Lovie Smith from One Buc Palace happens to be a guy who has outlasted now six Bucs coaches (and running),not to mention countless talking heads who foolishly thought they were his competition.
And that would be the dean of Tampa Bay sports radio, “The Big Dog,” Steve Duemig of WDAE-AM 620.
In his monologue yesterday, his first full day back on the air since Lovie was fired — “The Big Dog” was en route to Phoenix for the college national championship game — Duemig blasted Team Glazer for what he believes was a panic move fearing Bucs offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter would bolt for greener pastures and a head coaching position.
Duemig also believes the Bucs are now Browns South for the revolving door of coaches. “The Big Dog” also seemed to imply Koetter’s alleged success has largely been the result of riding the back of All-Pro running back Doug Martin.
The full audio of his monologue is below. Grab a mug of coffee, lean back and enjoy. Audio courtesy of Joe’s friends at WDAE-AM 620.
January 9th, 2016 at 5:11 am
ummmmmmm
just another talking head that has a dissenting opinion as his shtick.
January 9th, 2016 at 5:13 am
so this guy is local and doesn’t pay attention to all the failings of lovie?
and some blasted national media for that.
January 9th, 2016 at 5:18 am
i miss this somewhere?
via buccaneers.com
“On Friday, Winston was revealed as a finalist for two of the NFL’s end-of-the-season awards. He is among five players nominated for NFL Rookie of the Year honors, and his signature play of 2015 is one of five being considered for the Castrol Edge Clutch Performer of the Year award. Both awards will be determined by fan voting on NFL.com.”
January 9th, 2016 at 5:55 am
If Big Dog is right and the Glazers ‘panicked’ and fired Lovie because they feared losing Koetter then why have Licht go through the ruse of interviewing other candidates? Understand the need to abide by the Rooney Rule, but they could’ve met that requirement in one interview it seems like and hired Dirk as HC within 1-2 days.
Big Dog’s been a Lovie-supporter since Day 1 and obviously feels that Lovie deserved at least another year. I completely agree that our on-going coaching carousel is no way to run a winning team. But the Glazers own the team, and it’s their money on the line, not mine. They obviously didn’t see Lovie as being the long-term solution, so they decided change was necessary. Owners prerogative; no problem.
Actually should caveat that … No problem UNLESS 2 years from now it’s deja vu all over again and we’re changing coaches yet again. I really hope that Licht’s search leads us to a coach who can truly fix this mess and get us back on the winning track.
January 9th, 2016 at 5:58 am
Joe(s) I know you are on his show weekly, and I make sure I listen every week. But this dude is the old man who says get off my lawn. He likes to complain, just to complain. So Lovie was worth keeping? Dude has lost his ever-loving mind. Joe I listened to your link on Tallahassee ( since I live in PA), and you said it best. Other then helping to groom Jamies, Lovie has done NOTHING RIGHT. From letting Revis go, to McClown/Collins?Ghost Jonson, to the coaching staff, his outdated “scheme”, hell we could go on for an hour. Tell the grumpy old man to shut his pie hole, let Jason Licht do his job, and let’s see if this was a mistake or not. One thing I CAN say, Lovie was NOT the guy to help the Bucs become a playoff contender.
January 9th, 2016 at 6:01 am
you had 10 nfl starters on that team ,jamies plays out his contract and leave because this franchise will never be any good firing coaches every two years
January 9th, 2016 at 6:17 am
This guy always backs his friends and blasts those he doesn’t like. So it’s no wonder he’s all over the Glazers for this. But at the end of the day they did the right thing and probably should have done it prior to this. Even if you throw out the record Lovie was brought in to fix the Defense and win now. The Defense is in a shambles and this is the most undisciplined team in the league as they led the league in penalties. This is a direct reflection on coaching. You could also tell towards the end that this team has tuned him out. The only coach worth keeping in Koetter. Let’s hope they either elevate Koetter to HC or bring in a Defensive minded HC and let Koetter continue as the OC. Let the talking heads continue talking. Even when they don’t know what they’re talking about.
January 9th, 2016 at 7:07 am
If Big Dog is right (and I suspect he is) there may be more than meets the eye here.
1) there is no doubt that Lovie has made some gaffs – personnel-wise($$), and coaching D (and maybe Def coach structure- 3 Def coaches for DBs/Safties), not replacing Arroyo, etc.,)
2) Lovie would definitely be on the “hot seat” next year, and its possible that Koetter may have been gone also
3) so, if the Glaziers were adequately impressed by Koetter, it was time to make a move that could lead to long term stability (finally) of the HC job
4) I do agree with Big Dog (unusual for me) that the OFF yardage stats are skewed – alot. The Bucs RBs did some good things – mostly when games were still competitive and MOST of Winston’s yards were in “garbage time” when games were not competitive.
5) all in all, whether its Koetter or someone else, it does seem like the right time to make a HC change with all of the Lovie misgivings, the prospect of losing Koetter (who may not even want to be HC). I really think that the Glaziers are thinking (like me) of the best long term solution. note: another HC does not necessarily mean thar Koetter leaves anyway.
January 9th, 2016 at 7:13 am
If Lovie were as successful at coaching as Duemig were at trolling, he’d still be the coach.
January 9th, 2016 at 7:20 am
sorry for multiple posts. but I am thinking that there are only two questions that need answers:
1) does Koetter really want to be HC ?
2) will he consider staying if a Def minded HC is hired ?
January 9th, 2016 at 7:22 am
Opposing QBs completed 3 out of 4 passes against Lovie’s defense. 3 out of 4 Buc fans approve of his firing. Sounds right to me.
January 9th, 2016 at 7:27 am
Duemig is the same guy who wanted Dungy fired, Gruden fired, Maddon fired 3 of the best coaches Tampa Bay has ever had.
Yesterday he says he agrees with Steven A Smith and the fans who are glad Lovie got fired are racist.
January 9th, 2016 at 7:27 am
I am surprised that the Tampa2 mafia did not give more bullet points to this guy of what to say!!
I heard last night that someone said in lovie’s tenure there were 13 blowouts!!! and we lead the league in penalties!!!
And some can call it panic, or dumb luck, or just plain sheer common sense, But whatever you want to label it, it was the right move!!!!
Change was the correct response then letting the same thing play out next year and then do a coaching search!! Or did you think that it will get fixed and corrected like every week we heard after each game????
January 9th, 2016 at 7:31 am
I was in the camp for keeping Lovie for continuity, but if we Keep Koetter thats enough for me. By seasons end I was discussed with this team. The timing of the move through me off originally. If Lovied was fired on Monday, it probably would have been easier to swallow. The moved seemed similar to the Griden
January 9th, 2016 at 7:32 am
Gruden firing it came out of no where.
January 9th, 2016 at 7:37 am
The moved seemed reactionary as opposed to calculated. I appeared to be a knee jerk reaction. I want to see our team compete. I will support the new regime. I have re-upped my season tickets. Go Bucs. If this does not workout its time for team Glazer to hire someone to run the football operations. Regardless it may be a good move for them to do so.
January 9th, 2016 at 7:37 am
Steve Duemig is a cranky old grandpa yammering on about nothing until he goes to bed.
WDAE620 is the only sports radio in town and it sucks big time. no decent FM line and boring topics with uninteresting personalities.
January 9th, 2016 at 7:42 am
Can’t believe he’s the voice of reason among the various idiots in the fan base and media in Tampa rationalizing this because Koetter got an interview request. It’s asinine on any level you look at it, especially since as expected by everyone in the league before they fired him to “protect” themselves from losing Koetter, Adam Gase has already wrapped up the Dolphin job. He’s already met with Suh and Tannehill. Also, anyone with a lick of sense of Hue Jackson’s past knows that he prefers living in California to anywhere else, so he was always a stronger candidate for the 49ers job, that other mythical place that Koetter was going, and we all know the Eagles would hire him when hell freezes over. So now what Buc fans? Your owners fired a coach who has drafted a total of 1 player for his so called “terrible” defensive system(that every team in the league runs a variation of just like Tampa btw) to elevate a guy who was a mediocre college head coach that no one else was going to hire anyway. But that’s why you’re the Bucs. Laughing stock to all. Poor Jameis. Wonder how long it will take for you guys to turn on the first franchise QB you’ve ever had and make sure he doesn’t make it to his 2nd contract?
January 9th, 2016 at 7:43 am
The only real reason to listen to the Big dog is when Joe is on it, otherwise meh.
January 9th, 2016 at 7:51 am
It was a panicked move. I rarely agree with Big Dog. But I do on this because the Glazers did the same thing with Gruden-Raheem.
And how do we really know how much of the offense’s improvement is solely because of Koetter? Doug Martin was in a contract year and gave 150% on every run. Jameis exceeded expectations but is another player that put in 150% and spends significant time in the film room. Who’s to say these two don’t have the same results with another coordinator? Are you suggesting they aren’t smart enough to learn a new playbook?
January 9th, 2016 at 8:03 am
hmmmm, usually he plays the ” ding-dong the witch is dead ” song for the first hour when a head coach is fired…
Or is that just for coaches that won’t text with him!!!!
January 9th, 2016 at 8:04 am
Who cares what Dumeig thinks? I’m still not sure why they still give him a mic to spew his rhetoric across Tampa Bay airwaves! He’s no more than a waste of space, OR time.
January 9th, 2016 at 8:04 am
Let’s go bucs fans let hope we get a good H.C and some stability with our team. Everybody have their opinion about Lovie getting fired. ..opinions are like rear ends we all have 1. I don’t care who like are who don’t like the Lovie firing..I just want this team to be a winning team and not have to be looking at who’s gonna be the new H.C are how high we will draft in the nfl draft.
January 9th, 2016 at 8:11 am
There could be an argument for retaining Lovie….but that would be if you felt he was willing to make the changes necessary to win….including making changes to his defensive coaching staff (firing his Son)…stepping back and hiring a strong DC…none of which he would do.
as for panic…..I don’t think so….even if Koetter was one of the reasons, it’s not panic to think of Lovie Smith there without Koetter…..it’s pure terror.
January 9th, 2016 at 8:16 am
Duemig???? Who is that? Every time I tune my radio to 620 in the late afternoon all that comes out of my radio is this incredable whining (except when the Joe’s are on). It hurts my ears and I have to turn the channel.
January 9th, 2016 at 8:18 am
I don’t think they fired Lovie out of fear of losing Koetter. I think they fired Lovie because his defense sucks out loud and when asked what he was going to do to fix it the bosses were not satisfied with the answer he gave. I think all his assistant coaches were up for new contracts and if he looked the Glazers in the eye and told them he wanted to bring them all back they had to let him go. They know that if you bring back the same guys from the last two years you’re going to get the same results. He had a chance to admit it was working and work with management to bring in some new teachers and he didn’t. Now he’s gone. Simple as that. The BUCS would love to retain Koetter through all of this but I guarantee its not a prerequisite for any new coach they bring in.
January 9th, 2016 at 8:19 am
Who cares? Guy knows more about gambling and horse racing than football.
He’s has a weekly show with Brooks and is friends with other Bucs from the Dungy/Lovie years. So of course he’s gonna stick up for Loser Lovie.
Did he watch the games? The Mis use of timeouts? The unwillingness to adjust his game plan and scheme? Not knowing when to go for it or when to punt? Getting out coached on a weekly basis?
It’s not just the record which was awful it was the the in game decision making that proved to me Lovie didn’t have it
January 9th, 2016 at 8:22 am
He wanted to keep Josh Freeman in Tampa. This is the level of his critical thinking skills which make his thoughts of the Lovie firing easily dismissible
January 9th, 2016 at 8:32 am
Steve’s strongest point yesterday was the Glazers make terrible hiring decisions. Nonetheless, I don’t know how many businesses He has run or how many hiring and firing decisions he has had to make in his life but Steve is dead wrong about Lovie. Frankly the Glazers should have fired him after year one or maybe after the Titans game.
Lovie lied to get the job by telling the Glazers he could win right away. He reiterated that claim to the fans, then promptly went out and made horrendous staff and personnel decisions and finished with the worst record in football. By virtually every meaningful measurement his tenure here was an abject failure. Nothing in his record remotely suggested a defensive turnaround in 2016, therefore he had to go. Period.
January 9th, 2016 at 8:36 am
Lovie gave the Bucs a 2nd round pick for Gaimes Adams. Need I say more? Lovie got rid of Revis, Golston and Barron – and replaced with…. Really??? This guy knows talent?
January 9th, 2016 at 8:40 am
Bucs Fan Since ’76 Says:
January 9th, 2016 at 8:32 am
Steve’s strongest point yesterday was the Glazers make terrible hiring decisions.
What it sounded like though is that Licht is in charge! and leading the hunt for the next Tampa Bay Bucs Head Coach!!!!! so even that point is not relevant!!!
January 9th, 2016 at 8:41 am
The whole glazer rip is ridiculous. Thank u glazers. Thank u.
January 9th, 2016 at 8:43 am
Bird is right!!!! The Real fans of the Bucs are standing and applauding the move!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!
January 9th, 2016 at 8:52 am
All the folk who seem to think that this was not a justified firing sure don’t wacth Bucs games. Lovie made an a$$ of One Buc place. I was terrified when I thought that the Glazers were actually stupid enough to even consider bringing him back for a 3rd year.( like all the media qas predicting before his release ) As for all the the ppl who are all against this, it just a hot story for them. Ever one wants to give there 2 cents now that the story broke. Threy weren’t the ones throwing beer bottles at the TV screen or smashing kitchen appliances, going to bed early out of sheer depression watching the way our Bucs toom some many haert breaking losses. No every one wants to run to his rescue. It just a hot story for them. Some one please tell me any other organizations that Lovie could have coached, with these same results and have kept his job? Ask anyone of these idiots that are running to his defense ( haha key word here defense ) if they would have retained Lovie if it was their money he was wasting and giving these results, would they have given him a 3rd year? I think Team Glazer was smart. You know Lovies philosophy. ” If we have money were going to spend it ” Team Glazer has to much cap room this year for that idiot to go out and blow and has been players and washed up 35 year olds. I think that they had balls finally and put their foot down. Now the only hugh obstacle, is to find the right guy this time. I do agree that we cant have a new coach ever 2 years but, firing smith was absolutely the right move. After going 2-14 last year, then to bring your team to 6-6 and sniffing a playoff birth. Only to get choke against garbage teams and loose 4 in a row. There is no excuse for that type of collapse. The man ia unfit to coach little league. He probably punt on 2nd dowm becasue he “didn’t want to put points on the board” !!! ( another head scrather) besidws the fact that the man is getting 10 million dollar to not be a part of ther bucs next year. That shows very little confidence in his ability to coach. The Bucs made the right move without a doubt….
January 9th, 2016 at 8:53 am
really. The big donkey. Doug Martin ran like a dude that got killed. Ur sir a terrible representation of who was the best player on the field. Please stop saying lovie would change anything. 1 year would put us back another year. That defense I could have called that stuff even better. Shut up. Licht is so
Much better with talent. Bring in his players. For the first time besides the draft. The big skeazer. U r. Can’t Believe u feel bad for that defense. Please email me later. Cause u sir r garbanzo.
January 9th, 2016 at 8:54 am
Who cares what the guy thinks? Lovie wasn’t getting the job done, so Lovie is gone. I think a LOT of fans feel the same way!
January 9th, 2016 at 8:57 am
Pete Mitchell Says:
I don’t think they fired Lovie out of fear of losing Koetter. I think they fired Lovie because his defense sucks out loud and when asked what he was going to do to fix it the bosses were not satisfied with the answer he gave. I think all his assistant coaches were up for new contracts and if he looked the Glazers in the eye and told them he wanted to bring them all back they had to let him go. They know that if you bring back the same guys from the last two years you’re going to get the same results. He had a chance to admit it was working and work with management to bring in some new teachers and he didn’t. Now he’s gone. Simple as that. The BUCS would love to retain Koetter through all of this but I guarantee its not a prerequisite for any new coach they bring in.
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The only player he’s drafted for defense turned out to be an All Rookie. So did you think what he inherited was a great defense? Seriously did you think that because I want some of what your’e smoking if you thought so, even with Revis and Goleson. Revis has stated he hated being there, but I guess that would have been great to keep him there anyway, and Golson can’t cover. Still can’t. Barren is trash. The Rams results speak for themselves with him as a prominent member of their secondary.
He didn’t forget how to coach defense between coming from Chicago to Tampa. Something tells me your personnel sucked, and that’s something most people need more than 2 years to fix, especially when you’ve concentrated 99% of your draft picks on offense. But the fact that your clueless owners wanted to fire him last year lets everyone know that your team has no hope as long as the idiots who inherited their team from their brilliant father stay in charge. Yeah, because losing an offensive coordinator from an already terrible team isn’t an once in a Blue Moon circumstance. Teams have backup offensive coordinators lying around all the time, especially when that’s not the coach’s specialty. Clueless ass Buc fans. The only reason I care is because I’m a Winston fan, and I can see how this story is going to end for him. He doesn’t deserve it.
January 9th, 2016 at 8:58 am
I left out 2 other coaches Duemig wanted out of Tampa. Tortorella and Levitt. 2 more that have done more for their organizations than any other.
He also goes on to say that only a coach with NFL HEAD COACHING experience can succeed in the NFL. Brilliant.
And we are to believe that Licht called him personally before he did his presser to explain why they let Lovie go.
January 9th, 2016 at 9:00 am
buccfan305,
No, watched every one of them this year just because I wanted to see how Jameis did. But yeah, it’s Lovie’s fault that he had to get warm bodies to put on defense until he drafted more defensive players. Two years to fix the train wreck he inherited, more than enough time to fix. What are the rest of us thinking with that winning tradition Buc fans have?
January 9th, 2016 at 9:01 am
i keep going back to that Saints game. Genuine playoff contention right in the palm of his hand and blew it.
And Lovie always stressed football begins in December. Team looked flat. Followed by getting soundly defeated in last three.
Fearing losing Koetter is silly. He isn’t/wasn’t going to get a head coaching job with another team.
The whole Koetter phenomenon is wayyyyy overblown. Lots of coordinators can coach up Jameis, Evans, Martin etc. pretty talented group!
January 9th, 2016 at 9:06 am
It’s funny how Koetter is a genius because he led the Bucs O and to back that up we use the Bucs 5th place offensive finish. but Lovie sucks and we point to his 26 points allowed and ignore the defense’s 10th overall finish.
I’m sorry, but our offense was just as big of a let down as our D in the last 4 games and yet we see Koetter as our savior.
STATS!?!
January 9th, 2016 at 9:10 am
I got ripped on Facebook cause I wanted Lovie fired, 2 hrs later it happened it was hilarious!!! Big Dog not looking at facts
$20million= 8 wins in 2yrs=most penalized team= bad talent evaluator (penn, Zuttah etc)
If they didn’t pull the plug know it was going to be worst!!!
Bye Lovie!!! Take your garbage Tampa 2 elsewhere.
Big Dog I suggest you pay attention to the game
January 9th, 2016 at 9:12 am
CC ,
Buc fans need to stop acting like Koetter has never been a head coach before. He was Arizona State’s HC, and he was not good at the job. Now, if you want to fall back on that he did great at Boise, knock yourself out. I know I’d feel pretty shaky if that was the logic I was going on for my new NFL head coach entrusted with the formative years of the first semblance of a franchise QB we’ve ever glimpsed in almost 40 years.
January 9th, 2016 at 9:16 am
Five coaches in 8 years. The Browns approve of this hiring and firing pattern.
January 9th, 2016 at 9:32 am
While I was surprised at the firing, a few things jump out at me.
Yes, they only drafted one defensive player in two years, but Lovie had final say on personnel moves such as free agency. Are any of you saying in two years, through free agency he couldn’t have brought in just mediocre defensive players?
Read the story Joe posted about the former Chicago personnel guy. While teams run variations of what this defense, ask yourself why NO ONE was the right player for this defense?
Who meets with their boss, is confronted with with the defense is bad and says “let’s do nothing… I think it will get better.”
Why did he think playing Mike Jenkins after repeated benchings was going to play better? Why did almost no defensive player improve when they got here?
Think back after the Tennessee game. Can any one of you give me a game where you saw a team come out and be less prepared? Tennessee was a team that won three games and fired their coach. THAT team totally and completely outcoached Lovie.
Finally, the common sense test. Go back and listen to almost anything Licht says. Then listen to almost anything Koetter says. 99% of the time, you’ll say “OK, that makes sense” Then listen to almost any Lovie quote (We didn’t want to score more points….Mike Jenkins gives us the best chance to win…. a 70% completion percentage is misleading) and tell me this guy has a clue.
Bottom Line: This was the right move.
January 9th, 2016 at 9:50 am
There is no need to listen to newspaper reading-blog reading people, who call themselves talk show hosts. Go online for your info.
January 9th, 2016 at 9:56 am
Land O’ Lakes,
Yep, because disgruntled ex employees are always going to be the best source to go to. That horrible scheme that he’s deflecting for why him and his whole department was terrible at their job (kind of why he had time to do that interview, him Angelo, and most of those people are unemployed now) won most of the games they won in Chicago because the offense sure didn’t. So the safeties must not have been too much of a liability to win games and get to a Super Bowl. If I was part of the scouting department that went out and drafted Major Wright and Chris Conte as adequate players for my coach, I wouldn’t have opened my mouth on the subject. Pretty sure if you found somebody like Earl Thomas or Cam Chancellor to play in the scheme (one a first rounder, one fifth rounder), this is a moot point from what he’s saying, again, that him and his department was bad at their job. Because Seattle plays a whole lot of freaking cover 2 and cover 3, not too far off from that so called antiquated scheme that Lovie btw didn’t play on every down like people who criticize him for say he did. Who do you think is Pete Carrol’s mentor and why he had his sleazy son employed by him to allow him to fail his way up the coaching ranks? That’s right, Monte freaking Kiffin. It’sworking rpetty well for them because they were allowed to put the players in the system to fit it. But the scheme is “antiquated.” No, how about your personnel sucked and that’s why your team went 4-12 the year before he got there. Buc fans need to stop defending their clueless owners. It’s only going to make it worse. At least Brown fans aren’t in denial about their dummy.
January 9th, 2016 at 10:14 am
No surprise he’s sticking up for him. Birds of a feather flock together.
January 9th, 2016 at 10:20 am
Lovie is gone and I will support this team, but let’s not act as if that defense is full of play-makers that will get us to a championship. Guess what, there will be several key additions of offense as well. I’m done with arguing, let stop protecting people. It time to prune this organization from the top down. If your are not part if the growth, then you need to be cast into the fire.
January 9th, 2016 at 10:20 am
Several key additions needed on offense as well.
January 9th, 2016 at 10:23 am
Again…just for some perspective…
The Glazers first two hires were great..Dungy and Chucky. Then ManU which not only cost Chucky his job (no $$$ to work with) it prompted the Glazers to throw darts at the board of the cheapest candidates and they came up with Rah and Schiano.
Strictly based on football and not business…the Glazers have made only ONE bad hire and that was Lovie. I’m not saying Rah or Schiano were any better just that there was a REASON for them…$$$$$. That was not a factor with Lovie and with the success of ManU shouldn’t be going forward.
We had two coaches in the Glazers first 13 years and average of 6.5 years.
They bought Man U and we turned into the coaching carousel.
Man U is now successful!
It’s all good Bucs fans. We are at least finally heading in the right direction and ManU will now actually become and asset for us…tons of $$$..instead of a liability.
January 9th, 2016 at 10:26 am
Lovie was 5-16 against teams with a losing record. dude couldn’t even win the winnable games
January 9th, 2016 at 10:43 am
Im tired of this talk that if we dont get Joetter, then we fired Lovie for nothing. No. Koetter/Jameis got us at least five of our six wins. So without Koetter, what exactly is the point in keeping Lovie? There was alot of ignorance regarding Lovie and his scheme and motivation, but look at all the personel errors and 8-24, I thought he would stay, but im not exactly shocked either. If anything, im shocked it happened Wednesday late night instead of black Monday. Thank you Glazers, for taking your time to really evaluate the regime and the man in charge. It would be too easy to make a knee jerk reaction on Monday.
January 9th, 2016 at 10:44 am
I don’t understand why everyone on that station just assumes that this was done to keep Koetter around
1- Koetter is not going to get a HC job elsewhere. He was the OC of a 6-10 team this year who’s HC was fired. This is the second year in a row he’s been a part of a staff where the HC was fired. We all know it wasn’t his fault, but that does not look good on the ol’ resume
2- Why are we all just assuming that the most important thing for this team is continuity for Jameis? The kid is a football savant. Any system we put him in he will spend the entire offseason learning. Last year he got his playbook in April. If there’s a new OC this year he will get the playbook 4 months earlier. He’ll be fine
3- There is a lot more to being a HC than X’s and O’s. There’s putting together practice schedules down to the minute, there’s organizing for the Senior Bowl, combine and draft, all the way down to dealing with which unis the team is going to wear on Sundays. Being a HC has more to do with being a good manager than it does X’s and O’s. Can Koetter do it? Maybe, maybe not…Jason Licht and the Glazers will have to make that decision.
Look, I’m not anti-Koetter, but I think it’s silly to just assume he’s the best candidate here to be HC. I’m still all for going after Nick Saban — a guy who recruited Jameis and will instantly get rid of that “loser mentality” we all know exists — and keeping Koetter as OC.
January 9th, 2016 at 11:24 am
I have to say even tho I didn’t want him fired, I’m in the 75% that are glad he is gone. i went back to wdae in the afternoons as I wanted more bucs coverage and to hear the drive time guy say “I can be your worst enemy in this town if you don’t work with me” while bragging of his inside info. Truth is licht tells the media what he wants them to know. If he didn’t want things known, he would hold onto them. Otherwise, licht wouldn’t be where he is.
I’ve said this for a long time about our current media, there are very few journalists left. Many like to pretend they are when it’s convenient to get access. But once personal relationships override objectivity, you’re no longer a journalist.
January 9th, 2016 at 11:38 am
St. Pete bucs fan… ManU is a long way from being successful. Since their manager retired they have had two coaches in three years (not counting a very popular Ryan Giggs who was an interim). They did not make the champions league in 2014, barely in 2015 and now are on the outside looking in for 2016. All while being the New York Yankees of the English premier. The Glazers are less popular owners there than here. ManU is always in the top 3 in spending. With all of this being said, not sure that manU was all their fault. The coach retiring was inevitable. The first hire of David Moyes was poor but no one wanted to follow Ferguson. LVG was a home run by most pundits opinion. Will see if they blow him out this year to chase Pep.
I have been wanting to sit down and merge the timelines of ManU and the Bucs to see if there is a correlation between the two. I will say I’m a fan of both. Irritating that the glazers never bring ManU to play at RJS. That would be similar to a bowl game for the area.
January 9th, 2016 at 11:51 am
Jimmy Johnson, 8-24 in his first 2 seasons with the Cowboys. Buc fans would have run him out of town because he wasn’t winning right away, lol. You gotta love the logic.
January 9th, 2016 at 12:03 pm
@tnew
I’m no soccer expert that’s for sure so thanks for your perspective on their record.
But unless I’m mistaken I think the Glazers are doing well financially with ManU.
Remember that purchase occured just ahead of the great 08 crash. The Glazers were leveraged to the max and there were some in the late oughts who wondered if perhaps the Glazers had bitten off more than they could chew.
I think they are now past that financial emergency that resulted in Rah and then Schiano.
As far as putting a quality product on the field..I’ve never met a Glazer..do not know them. Don’t know if they’re bigger soccer fans or NFL or whether it’s all just $$$. My gut instinct tells me they want to win more here in Tampa because it’s their home country and they face the constant embarrassment of being losers.
Then again ManU is widely considered the most valuable franchise in the world but you know better than Tnew perhaps RealMadrid or Barca are more valuable.
And so maybe ManU still absorbs most othe Glazer’s real interest because let’s face it…ManU is where the real $$$ are available.
January 9th, 2016 at 12:38 pm
Jimmy Johnson was in the non salary cap era in a clear rebuilding mode. And it was his first time as a NFL head coach. So not even remotely close in comparison
January 9th, 2016 at 1:18 pm
MaHaBoNe Says:
January 9th, 2016 at 8:04 am
“Who cares what Dumeig thinks? I’m still not sure why they still give him a mic to spew his rhetoric across Tampa Bay airwaves! He’s no more than a waste of space, OR time.”
Correct and he’s Joe’s best friend…so tread lightly. lol smh
January 9th, 2016 at 1:42 pm
The Glazers must of went through some heavy hand wringing deciding to hire Lovie in the first place. Lovie’s pace was like he had forever to improve the Bucs. Actually a major embarrassment at the cluelessness on the field which Bucs fans are all to familiar with. Have another hit of fresh air with a new beginning.
January 9th, 2016 at 1:46 pm
You don’t need a 3 digit IQ (which is a good thing for most of our fans, not so much for our owners) to figure out it was PURELY a PANIC move. The Bucs have ZERO hope of EVER breaking above .500. You can take THAT to the f*king BANK.
Ownership, our incredibly STUPID MEDIA, and even DUMBER FANS deserve to lose this team. What an abysmally stupid move to fire Lovie, and don’t take my sentiment for it, but that of one soon-to-be HOFer, Tony Dungy.
January 9th, 2016 at 1:47 pm
Given his show is the highest rated afternoon radio show in Tampa Bay, Joe is going to guess tens of thousands and maybe hundreds of thousands care.
January 9th, 2016 at 1:49 pm
Remember when Jason Licht ran off all the rotten Lovie free agents last year? Licht said the biggest lesson he learned from Bill Belicheat was to admit your mistakes, cut your losses and move on?
Perhaps Team Glazer is taking this advice to heart?
January 9th, 2016 at 1:53 pm
Silent Partner,
I never said the 4-3 was “antiquated”. Seattle and Carolina run it quite well. Some big differences though.
In Pete Caroll or Ron Rivera’s first two years:
1. They could stop the slant;
2. Neither allowed opposing teams to complete 70% of their passes (and likely didn’t have the luxury of facing numerous back-ups);
Additionally, neither were the most penalized team in football their first two years;
Finally, you would struggle to find anyone who would claim that Lovie Smith is in the same galaxy as Jimmy Johnson in terms of personnel evaluation.
January 9th, 2016 at 1:57 pm
Sometimes as fans we conflate our likes and dislikes into what we feel “should be”. Our desires do not always match up with facts.
Sometimes you just have to admit…hey I didn’t like this guy for whatever reason but in honesty he is successful and so I respect that.
Many of you have trouble giving Big Dog the credit he deserves. Again I’m no fan of Big Dog’s and I agree with what his detractors are posting as his weaknesses.
But at the end of the day I give it up to Big Dog…he has scoreboard..ratings and so whether we like him or not we should at least respect success.
I was no Tony Dungy fan…I wanted him gone just like most folks here. He had grown stale and his concepts while successful were boring. But that’s just my opinion. The facts are clear that Dungy was a great coach and may yet make it to the HOF..iF you simply go back to scoreboard.
January 9th, 2016 at 2:25 pm
What really gets me is..Buc fans, Buc media, and ownership actually believe in their hearts this team is almost there because of the offensive excitement. Like when they fired Dungy and brought in Gruden. We are a long ways from that. This Defense needs an overhaul. I can’t wait for the Koetter Honeymoon to began..then the losing..then the arguments..then..the divorce. But unlike Lovie..Koetter will get 3 yrs. So its possible if..he gets the right defensive people.
January 9th, 2016 at 4:01 pm
Yep, ignore the Jimmy Johnson comparison because it doesn’t fit your narrative when it’s the same damn thing. JJ finished 1-15 and 7-9, and Lovie finished 2-14 and 6-10. Yep, but this is somehow different because of FA, which we all know is the way you build teams, lol. Just ask Washington fans or the Dream Team Eagles. Yep, instead deflect to JJ being the talent evaluator in Dallas who coached to the same results and say the guy who brought your talent evaluator that put this team together in is somehow different because he hired a good person for the job. Licht didn’t make this stupid move, so for his sake and Jameis’ sake, I hope he gets to make the hire on his own. If it’s Koetter, I know he didn’t, and this will be a train wreck. He’ll be gone in 2 years, and Jameis will get run out of town with him. All I’m being is the messenger for the fact that Koetter isn’t HC material. Good x’s and o’s guy, but I saw him up and close living here in the Phoenix area, and similar to his successor at Boise, Mr. “this ain’t intramurals” Dan Hawkins, he cracked when he went up a level to big boy football, and going up another level will only be worse for him.
January 9th, 2016 at 4:57 pm
Silent Partner,
We’ve got two different perspectives on this and I’m not going to argue any further. I doubt either of us will change our minds. What I would like to know is that being from the area, what is your perspective of what went wrong at Arizona State? I’ve read or heard two different media reports that his downfall wasn’t so much the football end of things, but the necessity of dealing with boosters, alums, etc.
January 9th, 2016 at 7:46 pm
Why are you guys looking at what he did at Arizona State instead of what he did in the NFL? I’m truly puzzled by this.
January 9th, 2016 at 8:02 pm
Rob in Land O’ Lakes ,
He was overwhelmed with the job. He had a coverup scandal with one of his players that ended up killing a guy for one. Basically, everything I hear about Lovie letting the inmates run the asylum actually was true with college kids as Koetter acted like all he was responsible for was coaching the offense because at Boise, that won him games. Undisciplined team on and off the field, and those were college players again. Arizona State barely has boosters, let alone ones putting pressure on anybody. If you can’t hang with some dummy wanting to give you money to advance your team in college, how do you think it’s going to go with your owners who blow Hall of Fame and Super Bowl winning coaches out just because? Just letting you know, he’s not cut out for such a job. He’s a competent offensive coordinator, nothing more, nothing less, and if Licht is making this hire on his own, I’m sure he won’t hire him. He doesn’t strike me as a dummy. Your owners, not so much. I’m only telling your fans because I do care what happens to Jameis and don’t want to see him ruined. I have no agenda here.
January 9th, 2016 at 8:13 pm
I think that many of you would bitch even if the Bucs finished 16-0.
You’re never happy about anything.
The decision has been made. Let’s see who they fire in the next two years.
BTW, it’s a good deal for anybody foolish enough to coach here. Maybe get a four year contract, but only work two years.
January 9th, 2016 at 8:42 pm
Why JBF has a relationship with the poodle is beyond me…his insecurities that get played out everyday reads of an old man that needs to leave.
It’s a well known fact that he only supports players and coaches that don’t ignore him and his golf tournament..
Heck he mocks both JBF and their fans daily….seriously 620…put that dog down and move Tom Kras in his slot…do you want to entertain or turn people off? The only callers left sound like those sniveling underling middle manager types that need to be with perceived power….dude is a clown…ppppfffttt *wave off
January 9th, 2016 at 11:23 pm
Doesn’t every successful OC ride the back of a good running back??? So did Jameis. Everybody knows a strong running game helps the passing game. This is what I would call an apologist. It’s just not realistic for anyone NOT to understand Lovies firing. The proof IS in the pudding.
January 9th, 2016 at 11:42 pm
If Lovie is the next Jimmy Johnson, wouldn’t Lovie had won a Super Bowl by now, or been in more than one? Or been to the playoffs more than once in the last five years.
Or are we talking about Jimmy Johnson with the Dolphins? Lovie is closer to that Jimmy Johnson.
January 9th, 2016 at 11:46 pm
Silent Partner,
Thanks for the information. Really interesting perspective that hasn’t been played out much here. We will see what happens.