King: Personnel Power Is “Too Much For Lovie”
January 6th, 2016
Ex-Bucs QB Shaun King
Step aside, Lovie Smith. Worry about coaching and take a giant step out of the scouting and evaluation process.
That’s the message from former Bucs quarterback Shaun King, one of three quarterbacks who led Tampa Bay to the NFC Championship game. King joined Ronnie & TKras on WDAE-AM 620 this week and said Lovie should give up a decision-making role when it comes to personnel.
“People have to remember coming into this, Lovie was the one with all the experience. You know this was [Jason Licht’s] first time being a general manager,” King said. “So there were some unknowns, but I think Jason has proven himself worthy. And I also think it’s too much for Lovie. You know, I think there are enough fires that he to consistently put out with the group that’s on the field, that having that pressure, having that responsibility, is too much for him now. And I think it will help him better control, you know, the actual product that’s on the field from a performance standpoint if he relinquishes those duties.”
Regular readers here know Joe is all for this. Lovie has a sour track record as a personnel man in Tampa. Hell, Lovie handpicked Josh McCown to start — and lead his regime. Yes, Lovie believed McCown was the quarterback that could accomplish his Super Bowl dream. That alone is unspeakable. But there are many other examples.
Being defensive guru, playcaller and head coach of a team with serious mental deficiencies is enough for one man’s plate.
Licht has said multiple times that his job is to “serve the head coach.” That attitude might need to be dialed back, as King suggests.
January 6th, 2016 at 12:05 pm
so seems “play calling” and “talent evaluation”!!!!
January 6th, 2016 at 12:13 pm
Put Lovie in charge of the cafeteria.
January 6th, 2016 at 12:13 pm
I dont buy it. Lovie has no coaching responsibilities until mini camp and OTAs. What do you expect him to do for the next 3 months? Just sit on his thumbs? No he is out there recruiting free agents, and watching film to find the next players to fit his team. Whether you value his talent evaluation of personnel decisions is beyond the point. He is the head coach, until ownership makes a change, that is all part of his job.
January 6th, 2016 at 12:18 pm
Tom Edrington Says:
January 6th, 2016 at 12:13 pm
Put Lovie in charge of the cafeteria.
Noooooooooooo!!!! he will order old milk, and no one will drink it! when asked he said the plan was to make cheese and that “It takes time”!!!!!!
January 6th, 2016 at 12:28 pm
Much easier said than done…..Power is a difficult thing to take away and even more difficult to give up…..I suspect Lovie will keep doing exactly what he wishes.
“Shaun King, one of two Buc Quarterbacks that lost a NFC Championship Game when his defense gave up 9 points.”
January 6th, 2016 at 12:29 pm
Tampabaybucfan Says:
January 6th, 2016 at 12:28 pm
I suspect Lovie will keep doing exactly what he wishes.
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Giving away good talent and filling it with much worse talent?
January 6th, 2016 at 12:38 pm
@ Realist
Like I said, there will be many articles where you can do your mindless comments on Lovie….like the ones you posted on the Chris Conte article…
I am still waiting for you to “talk football” like you say you do….haven’t seen it.
So…on this article….just fire away….and unless you have something to add on other subjects….STFU.
January 6th, 2016 at 12:48 pm
Love shaun kings takes because he is a fan number 1 and then he is also in the know, Lovie sucks as a personnel evaluator and yes for the next 3 months Lovie needs to evaluate this years films and then the next years opponents and then prospective FAs and also college players and hit the circuits for the college players, but lovie should only offer suggestions as to who he thinks would be a good fit and why, but that should hold maybe less than 20% of the weight when grabbing the prospects or free agenst…and to be honest Lovie will not be coaching this years college class more than one season so dont draft on lovies future
January 6th, 2016 at 12:56 pm
personnel control is a poisoned chalice for coaches. they all think they want it, but it is usually their downfall. for lovie, the results of his FULL YEAR of dedicated scouting before taking the bucs job should tell him all he needs to know about Lovie Smith the talent evaluator. IIRC, he can’t even take credit for the likes of Urlacher, Briggs, and Tillman in Chicago – they were all there when he arrived
January 6th, 2016 at 12:57 pm
I’m a Lovie Supporter Butt….This is a do or die yr coming up for him. And he knows it. Hard schedule or not. No excuses. Get some Defensive coaching help and concentrate on Defensive end, Defensive secondary help, improving VJax health and bringing back Mankins for one more yr. And We..will have a..winner in town!!
January 6th, 2016 at 1:03 pm
For the next 3 months Lovie needs to figure out how to stop a basic slant pass and not worry about free agency.
January 6th, 2016 at 1:25 pm
Seriously Joe, no one but you believes Lovie actually considered McCown his QB for a Superbowl run. I agree with the message here – that Lovie should relinquish most of his involvement with personnel decisions – but it’s just not accurate to think “Lovie believed McCown was the quarterback that could accomplish his Super Bowl dream.” You don’t really believe that. Lovie can be accused of foolish thinking, but I’m pretty sure even he knew McCown was just keeping the seat warm until they could draft a franchise QB.
January 6th, 2016 at 1:28 pm
Where’s Bonzai and his cockamamie comments on how Lovie has nothing to do with all this? That it’s Jason Licht that’s screwing up.
Bonzai how come you never come on threads like this? You know you’re wrong about these comments you’ve been spewing for over a month now. You know Lovie is the one bringing in the bad FA’s so just come out and admit it already, because if you truly believe what you say everyday, then you’re lying to yourself.
Lovie has shown MANY faults on game day, let alone all his personnel moves that HE made. NOT Jason Licht. You say that Lovie picked the drafts picks so he gets credit for the picks in last years draft. That Jason Licht picks the bad FA’s. Did you ever ponder that it’s the other way around?
It makes sense to me. Lovie has a lot to do during the season. What’s Licht doing? Studying possible FA’s? No he has plenty of time on his hands to study the college kids. No one really knows for sure who’s going to be a FA and who’s not, until after the season. That’s when Lovie has more time.
Lovie picks the free agents and Licht picks the draft. That’s the way I and MANY more fans see it. Not you though sir. You started this way back in 2014, this blaming Licht for all the bad free agents and simply not right.
January 6th, 2016 at 1:36 pm
Real hope begins the day Lovie Smith is fired. Until then we’re just passing time, counting the days until there’s a coach with a clue.
January 6th, 2016 at 1:39 pm
Are we still going to call him a defensive guru at this point?
January 6th, 2016 at 1:48 pm
IF LOVIE ISN’T PICKING THEM WHY IS IT THAT A LOT OF PLAYER’S ARE COMING FROM WHERE HE COACH LIKE CHICAGO…….
January 6th, 2016 at 1:50 pm
I’ve pretty much come to the conclusion that we have nothing left to debate.
The Glazers only need make ONE move and the Bucs will be great. Fire Lovie.
ONE MOVE! Really?
I’m not here to defend Lovie, the Glazers or ONEBuc. Simply to point out that there is a lot of hyperbole on this board…Sims sucks..Lovie Sucks…GMC sucks.
Losing does that to the fans I guess.
January 6th, 2016 at 1:51 pm
@87
I’ve always looked at as Licht has more draft responsibility and Lovie more FA. With some overlap on both sides. Who really thinks Licht was bringing in guys like Tim Jennings?
January 6th, 2016 at 1:53 pm
1) Hire Tom Coughlin President of football ops, Glaziers step back
2) Make Lovie a Head Coach Only
3) Fire Frazier and hire the best DC money can buy
If Lovie does not like it, TFB.
Everybody can do their own job and not have to multi task.
January 6th, 2016 at 1:59 pm
@CC
Love it. Especially #1. There needs to be someone who knows football between the boys and football decisions.
January 6th, 2016 at 2:04 pm
@Buc Realist:
Hilarious!!!
January 6th, 2016 at 2:07 pm
Almost 2 years later everyone starts coming around. Been a long 2 years…
January 6th, 2016 at 2:11 pm
Lets face it. We want Lovie to build a Championship defense here….Well that’s not going to happen through free agency. t has to happen through the draft.
Just look at any team that has sustained success. If you can name one that was built through free agency I’ll call you out on bullcr@p. Reggie White hitting free agency comes along once in a lifetime…….There is a reason why these guys are FA’s and available.
Give our staff one draft for defense and lets see if they prorgress.
January 6th, 2016 at 2:21 pm
In 2 years lovies personally decisions have built a top ten defense. Yes I want instant results but this was a bad team he took over. My guess is our defense steps up and makes a few game changing plays next year. The waiting is becoming frustrating though
January 6th, 2016 at 2:24 pm
Wow I butchered that last comment. You may just ignore it hahaha
January 6th, 2016 at 2:26 pm
Cc-why are you asking the Glazers to step back? I’m quite certain they leave the football decisions to those who know about the game(not them)
January 6th, 2016 at 2:44 pm
Lovie Smith was fired from the Bears after the 2010 season, and still hasn’t left his basement. 😉👍
January 6th, 2016 at 2:58 pm
87,
I think Bonzai read the “Bucs draft #1” article with Licht’s picture and it gave him an aneurysm.
January 6th, 2016 at 3:00 pm
@CC
At last a rational decision going forward with Lovie’s future.
Again…Bill Belichek was 41-55 A loser before getting a 6th round compensatory draft choice named Tom Brady. Now he’s a freaking genius!
There are some here who believe #3 can do that for Lovie.
I lived in Boston at the time of Belichik’s hiring and the people went nucking futs about the horrible decision to bring in a 36=44 coach to head their beloved pats.
And after Belichick goes 5-11 his first year after four prior years of 8-9-10-11
wins!
There was some guy named PatRealist and another called DallasPat that continually went on blogs berating the New England fans who still supported Belicheat and pointing out that the Pats needed to fire this loser!!!
OK I made up the stuff about blogs and the response to Belicheat..I never lived in Boston…blogs were not around yet and there were no Patrealists or dallaspats….but if there were…is there any doubt.
I do not defend Lovie’s record. I do defend the Glazers decision to give him the 3rd year as rational and not as insane as many here proclaim.
And 8 wins…I’m not even accepting of that. If Lovie doesn’t win at least ten he should be gone! Obviously if #3 goes down early or something major happens that could change. But if #3 is healthy there are very few excuse I could accept next year.
January 6th, 2016 at 3:05 pm
The biggest downfall in free agency,to me, has been the inability to find a pass rush. One could argue our DB’s is the biggest weakness but I believe it’s our pass rush. Love Smith has taken all the blame here.
Maybe he should have brought in Suh? Is that the answer he let slip away. Letting Review go also looks bad. A look around the league and I don’t see many other solutions to this that could have been made. You could argue a lack of attention in the draft is the cause but I like most of the players we drafted. And I definitely like having good protection for Winston.
To me the answer lies in this year’s draft and hopefully the perfect pass rusher will be available. I would also be excited to see them get that beast from the Jets, Wilkerson, who is out of contract. Though I doubt he makes it to FA.
January 6th, 2016 at 3:07 pm
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January 6th, 2016 at 3:15 pm
St Pete…..be glad we even have Winston. Lovie very well could have made a knee jerk decision and drafter Manzeel or a lesser QB in the prior draft.
Lovie could be gone after next season and many will rejoice. If that happens it will surely be for good reason but it will, at the least, be thankful he did not make a blunder in the 2014 draft that set this franchise in a horrible place for the future.at the end of the day at least this tenure with Lovie made a few good decisions which is more then we can say about the past decade of this franchise.
January 6th, 2016 at 3:18 pm
Running through all the threads this morning and realizing one of the pleasure of a site like this is you get virtual friends…alas also some viftual enemies. LMAO
IE Most of us know how each of us feel about different topics by now.
Here is a general observation. There are some here so negative…about everything Bucs…not just Lovie…But Evans is already a bust…as is ASJ..Sims sucks…and they never bring a positive comment to this board. I think those are the people who aggravate many here and that obsession with negatively results in embarrasing posts at times as they simply overreach in their attempt to focus on negativity.
I also concede that there are others here so positive as to let that effect their posting at times…Mea Culpa. But here is a difference I see in the positive posters and the negative nellies. The vast majority of people who have defended Lovie..or GMC…or #3 or any Buc are also capable of admitting the weaknesses however.
87 is a prime example of this…TBBF…many others. 87 raved over the top about the greatness that is Jameis Winston for months here. Everything he said has come to pass…although in two years we better see his predicited Super Bowl…lol…But I’ve always respected 87’s views on Fameis himself..not so much on MM but he plays for Tennessee and so who cares….but even though 87 was right about Fameis and clearly has had a man crush for a couple years now…he’s not above pointing out Fameis flaws in accuracy or any rookie mistakes.
IE it seems as if positive people can admit to some of the negatives about this team…and Gawd knows there are plenty with Lovie on down…but they negative people simply choke before they can give Lovie or GMC any credit.
Just sayin’ feel free to totally disagree.
January 6th, 2016 at 3:19 pm
@Stpete
To be fair, Lovie is entering his 12th year as a head coach.
Starting in Bill’s 7th season (and 2nd in NE) to now, his 21st as a head coach, he’s had ONE season with less than 10 wins, and a .730 win percentage in NE.
I understand what you are trying to say, but, it’s a stretch.
January 6th, 2016 at 3:23 pm
Also, no one’s had a better record in Cleveland since Belichick. He arguably overachieved with that franchise.
January 6th, 2016 at 3:27 pm
L&WD
And the Lovie supporters simply counter that with Lovies comparable record to Belicheat before Brady. It’s really a simple fact. Bill Belichick lost in Cleveland…who doesnt’ though…is Mike Holmgren a bad coach…nah..and Belichick lost his first year in N.E.
We’ll never know who his career would have turned out without Brady…but I suspect there would be a totally different win % for Belicheat.
Basically what I’m trying to say is HC’s like QB’s get far too much credit for winning and far too much blame for losing…in fact I think the QB IS more important than the HC.
Don Shula is the ONLY coach I can name off the top of my head who won with multiple QB’s of varying talent from greats like Unitas, Griese and Marino to journeyman like Earl Morrall.
January 6th, 2016 at 3:27 pm
I cannot lambaste anybody for having a negative opinion about this franchise……this team has been awful for about a decade+ now. They have been a pushover and a laughing joke to the rest of the league. Highlighted by our basement status for the past half decade. They have been an embarrassment. And yes I am the fan that wore the brown bag as my hat at Ray Jay during schanio’s last season. This team represents our town and ineptitude should not be tolerated
January 6th, 2016 at 3:34 pm
All I wanted this year was a meaningful game in December. Something we haven’t witnessed in a very long time. I got my wish but still felt disappointment. Not sure where I’m going with that but my expectations will be higher next season
January 6th, 2016 at 3:36 pm
“StPeteBucsFan Says:
January 6th, 2016 at 3:27 pm
Basically what I’m trying to say is HC’s like QB’s get far too much credit for winning and far too much blame for losing…in fact I think the QB IS more important than the HC.”
I don’t disagree. But, my concern is about the defense. I question his scheme, his ability to adjust in game, and his ability to bring in good players (is there anything left?).
And, you don’t see me with the Fire Lovie mouth diarrhea in every thread. I want him to succeed. But, I haven’t seen anything to allay my fears.
January 6th, 2016 at 3:38 pm
Oh great, Back to old “awaiting moderation” schtick. Was it because I included the words f_i_re lovie?
January 6th, 2016 at 3:46 pm
With a top 10 Offense and a # 5 defense….coupled with only a 6-10 record…it is quite obvious that we are knocking on the door of success. We easily could have won 3-4 more games….Houston, Washington, NY Giants, Saints were all in reach.
We have to clean up a few things……get 7 instead of 3……penalties…..our kicking game cost us a game early……3rd down conversions (both sides)…..completion percentage (both sides)….pass rush….secondary….clock management…..
Well…I guess more than a few things….but we are moving in the right direction….if you can’t get excited about the future….I feel sad for you.
January 6th, 2016 at 3:48 pm
Wow….moderation for that post?…..what gives?
January 6th, 2016 at 4:09 pm
First of all it’s a top 5 offense and a top 10 defense. Second of all, basic stats suck. Because finally, the wonderful folks at Football Outsiders actually rank the Bucs 18th in both offense and defense when adjustments are made (such as who you play). Which sounds too high for the defense, but about right for the offense. They were the Tampa 2 version of offense, movement between the 20’s but no TDs. Which for an offense featuring four 6’4 or taller targets, is pathetic.
And as to not feeling excited, a brief recent history
2011: Excitement…last place finish
2012: Excitement…last place finish
2013: Excitement…last place finish
2014: Excitement…last place finish
2015: Low expectations…last place finish
I think people are tired of expecting something, people just want results. Winning offseason titles has become the Bucs speciality, too bad it’s meant nothing in reality.
January 6th, 2016 at 4:20 pm
Ponder this y’all.
Qwon will be back next year. If he returns with the same impact we have an upgrade from the team that played in week seventeen. I don’t think that is a very big “if”.
Donavon Smith will be more seasoned. If he can clean up the holding pentaltys that will be another upgrade. Again, I don’t think that is a big if.
Now imagine if we can find ourselves an impactful pass rusher in the draft or perhaps free agency.
Boy, I’m telling you this team could be a real threat next year. And I don’t think these 3 factors are pipedreams. I believe it’s very possible.
6-10 is gross but I don’t think our future is
January 6th, 2016 at 4:32 pm
“I cannot lambaste anybody for having a negative opinion about this franchise……
I try not to lambaste individuals for being upset with the obvious lack of results..horrid discipline…well we are all familiar with the long list that goes back to Chucky’s regime.
But a negative opinion about the franchise? Obviously you can tell I love to write and appreciate words so forgive this nitpick. I certainly take your basic point.
But that is what upsets me..like Fameis…yes we’re all supposed to be disgusted with these results…but by definition if you are a “fanatic you do not quit on your team or simply write them off with NOTHING but negative posts or a prepondorence..as in more than 75% are nothing more than fire Lovie or a ist of all the Bucs who suck.
As TBBF correctly pointed out in his post there are things to celebrate this year.
We can seem to celebrate them. #3 appears to be the real deal and his leadership and off field persona only come along once in a genaration. Don’t want to go all 87 here but he is correct…we should embrace this and be happy.
We have an incredible rookie class including a 4th round steal at MLB. We have a core of young players now to build on with this next draft.
There is plenty to beotch about when it comes to the Bucs..Lovie..GMC…ME..whatever…but we’ve had soooo much more to beotch about since Chucky left that I do not understand why even the most negative person cannot see some improvement and at least appreciate that.
I’m not saying it’s inappropriate for people to criticize Lovie..he’s earrned that…simply that the negativity here has lead to some absurd hyperbole. Mixing in the occasional positive post for balance is not being a sheep!
January 6th, 2016 at 4:42 pm
@ St. Pete
I’ll be asking Joe to formally do a “2015 Greatest Joy” series……the 20 greatest joys….Obviously # 1 will b
January 6th, 2016 at 4:43 pm
@SPBF … ‘If Lovie doesn’t win at least ten he should be gone!’
Would absolutely love to see the Bucs win 10 games next year, but with a tougher schedule I have serious doubts we’ll do better than 8-8 (if that). The team is definitely improving far as I’m concerned, but even with a good draft and decent free agency, we’ll still have too many holes and too little depth.
That said, L&L have to make certain improvements this off-season to even get to 8-8. Lovie’s decision to take over defensive play-calling was a bad one and needs to be fixed. (I happen to think Leslie Frazier is a pretty good coach, but that ship may have sailed and we probably need to bring in another DC). The secondary coaches clearly aren’t getting the most out of the talent that we have back there, and I’d vote to replace all three of them based on their 2-year track record.
Draft-wise I think that most everyone on this site expects us to go heavy defense … Not too much choice at this point. Bucs have the money to re-sign a boatload of our current players (several clearly need to go, but they can sort out others in training camp), plus bring in at least 3-5 highly productive FAs (especially on defense).
I fully expect the offense to be considerably better next year IF Dirk Koetter stays and if we re-sign Martin and Rainey. The defense though needs a major restructuring in my opinion, and getting the chemistry right won’t be easy (particularly in the secondary). I’m hopeful that our D will steadily improve as the season goes on, something I’m not sure that we did this year.
January 6th, 2016 at 4:46 pm
# 1 joy would be the drafting of Jameis…..Marpet would surely be on the list
One of mine was in the Philadelphia game when touchdown pass # 6 went off of Humphries hands (had a holding call anyway)….I said to myself….”My God, we have a QB that came that close to the rookie record of all time….and he’s ours.”
That was pure joy even with an incomplete pass.
It’s time to spread the joy….and I intend to do a lot of that this off-season,
January 6th, 2016 at 4:47 pm
Obviously # 1 will be
Lovie Fired!!!!!!
January 6th, 2016 at 4:53 pm
Poor Realist. You totally missed the point of TBBF’s post.
We DID NOT FIRE LOVIE…that literally can’t be number one on anyone’s list of joy. Perhaps for you we could also add a beotch list and then you’d be correct…I have no doubt that the #1 beotch of Buc fans, including me would be Lovie.
@TBBF I really like that idea! I hope Joe will run with it…and if needed for balance for our negative friends we can go with the 10 worst things about the Bucs season.
January 6th, 2016 at 4:59 pm
@st pete-i believe we have similar mindsets about the difference of what this team is and where they are headed. I do agree that a fanatic should not quit on their team though I highly doubt that’s what folks here are doing. They are on here reading about their Bucs which shows a great interest that they must have in the team.
I respect their frustration and they have every right to be frustrated. After all, the Buccaneers have been one of the worst teams in football in the last decade……A DECADE!!!!…….to not acknowledge that this franchise has been awful is just straying from the fact. We literally had to watch the team throw in the towel against the Falcons last year so we could get a better draft…………if that is acceptable then I don’t even want to be a fan. At the end of the day frustration clouds judgement and I can easily forgive any fans negativity towards any part of the team.
That being said I do see hope for the future of this club. I just hope that it is not me that has the twisted unrealistic view of the team……….and it is becoming increasingly difficult to renew my hope for this franchise year after year only to be left as the dumb fool that actually thought this franchise could turn a corner.
Through thick or thin I’ll still be here cheering on my Bucs year in and out. I only hope the brown bags can stay at Publix where they belong…….GO BUCS
January 6th, 2016 at 5:09 pm
I go to two home games per year…..I haven’t witnessed a win since 2011, I believe. I’m about tired of paying my dollar to watch garbage and have left our field in disgust so much it gives me a lot in my stomach to think about it……..to that I say bring on your negative comments and keep em coming. Hopefully they have sensibility but if not just say it anyway. Hopefully somebody within the franchise will read it and feel like a failure…… They have indeed been failing us fans for way to long.
January 6th, 2016 at 5:14 pm
I go to two home games a year. I haven’t witnessed a win since 2011, I believe. Thinking about it gives me a pit in the bottom of my belly. I appreciate any negative comment about this club and urge them to continue. Even if they are senseless say it anyway. Hopefully somebody within the team will read it and feel like a failure. They have, after all, been failure us fans for quite some time.
January 6th, 2016 at 5:16 pm
That one bore
repeating
January 6th, 2016 at 5:29 pm
Love is an old stubborn man that needs to grow up
January 6th, 2016 at 6:37 pm
Should’ve hired a gm first and never let this clown have roster control
January 6th, 2016 at 6:40 pm
“Hopefully somebody within the team will read it and feel like a failure.”
Trust me Buccaneers there are plenty in this organization who KNOW they are failures and I’m sure it’s making them sick.
Those who don’t should find a job somewhere else and those who don’t already feel like failures could care squat about how we feel.
I realize I’m scrwed however. I gave up on the MLB decades ago…I don’t really like hoops that much anymore…I do like hockey but without the NFL…waaaaa I just don’t care…other than the Lightning.
January 6th, 2016 at 7:11 pm
WTH difference will it make if he isnt deciding who is drafted or picked up in free agency? By benching verner banks and moore for his butt buddy mike jenkins and some other guys whos name I cannot say properly, it shows he cant coach a defense. Hea got really good talent that hea not using and his defense fails to stop the exact same play for 3 and a half quarters every week. I dont understand how Winston carrying him this year justifies overlooking his huge inability to see whats is happening and correct the problem. He continues to try and fix the same problem by doing the same thing over and over every week, every season. What makes anyone think there is even the smallest chance next season we will see a new lovie. Sitting in his basement for a year didnt work. I see zero reason to keep yhe guy around unless he is just going to blow a whistle as practice and nothing more.
January 6th, 2016 at 7:48 pm
Kevin
What makes anyone think there is even the smallest chance next season we will see a new lovie.
What? Do you really want to know? Sounds like you’ve already made up your mind. But if it’s an honest question I’ll speak for me and several others I’ve read here.
1.) I was upset with Lovie because after last year I too though he was too stubborn to change…BUT…he brought in an OC with a solid rep and the ability to demand some independence…an OC whose last position he was famous for chucking the rock 4 vertical not pounding it.
2.) Lovie put his entire career on the line in signing off on drafting #3. Hindsight is 20-20 and so that seems like an easy decision right now…just go back and read JBF this spring leading up the draft…experts…fans…this was not a slam dunk draft pick last year…obviously it is now. Lovie haters of course will deny this point claiming that the Glazers forced Lovie to draft #3. No source for this info but I guess like with Trump if you simply say it or type it it’s true.
3.) Lovie went against his history on frequent occasions this year going for it on 4th down etc.
And so the simple answer to your question is that he clearly changed on his view of the importance of offense. We have to hope he can also change on his defensive views and his personnel selections.
Again I’m not defending Lovie…just that it’s not totally irrational for the Glazers or any poster here who believes another year is not out of the question.
January 6th, 2016 at 8:47 pm
How come on my screen I only see about 10 posts and outside it’s says 59. This happened the other day to me too. It’s not on my end. I just reset my computer.
What gives?
January 6th, 2016 at 8:48 pm
“Lovie put his entire career on the line in signing off on drafting #3.”
All well knowing he gets paid either way….
January 6th, 2016 at 8:53 pm
If the Glazers had a clue they would have no allowed this much control with the head coach. This type of set up his been poisonous to head coaches. The Glazers are the only ones that can take control of this situation.
January 6th, 2016 at 8:55 pm
Hope, hope and more hope. Is the 2008 democratic convention? Hope.
What does Joe say about the word hope again?
January 6th, 2016 at 9:02 pm
87- seeing the same thing but only on this article, not any others
January 6th, 2016 at 9:13 pm
87-ii think it is ereasing comments once it gets past 50. Don’t worry I’ll clue you in. The first 50 posts included 40 fire lovie posts 5 bucs suck posts 4 posts in support of lovie and one crazed fan saying that Winston blows
January 6th, 2016 at 9:18 pm
Buccaneers …oh so the usual then. I hate Lovie Smith, but he’s coming back. So I’m learning to mentally deal with that fact. It could take days, it could take weeks…
January 6th, 2016 at 9:23 pm
Well don’t be too upset. If they fire lovie they would likely bring in another guyy who ain’t cut out for HC as their prior track record proves. Worse then that if they brought in the wrong guy Coetter could just up and say “screw this” and pack his bags
January 6th, 2016 at 9:32 pm
Well I say if Koetter was touted for HC jobs in the past when he was with the Falcons then why not the Bucs. I mean he practically won those 6 games for Lovie anyways. Some say Jameis saved Lovie’s job. I say Koetter saved Lovie’s job.
January 6th, 2016 at 9:33 pm
Oh and this ain’t the only thread screwing up. There’s one below this one too.
January 6th, 2016 at 9:35 pm
Let’s try to keep the Lovie bashing in perspective too. There have been marked improvements in this team. As well as lovie deserves some of the blame for our shortcoming he should get a bit of praise for the successes.
Our defense is rancid right now. Sure blame lovie, but blame the players too.
Our offense is transforming into a force. Let’s praise coetter and players but give lovie some credit here.
Our FA signings have been bad. Lovie deserves some blame but Light does also.
Great drafting so far. Light seems to get all the credit but I’m sure lovie is in the war room involved in the process.
Point is, like it or not, this current regime that lovie assembled has done more then any since the Dungy days…….aside from our Super Bowl of course.
OK I said my piece now everybody tell me how wrong I am
January 6th, 2016 at 9:41 pm
Koetter as HC just scares me. I could not see that happen without feeling uneasy. Just not a huge fan of first time HC’s especially if they are not a product of a great mind.
Maybe even more alarming would be the fact that we would be left without an OC and a step backward in Jameis’/the offenses development would be disastrous
January 6th, 2016 at 9:52 pm
Next year I’m scheduling my vacation for the week we play Carolina. Sick of getting our azzes beat by that team and tired of subjecting myself to it
January 6th, 2016 at 10:18 pm
“Point is, like it or not, this current regime that lovie assembled has done more then any since the Dungy days…….aside from our Super Bowl of course.”
“I said my piece now everybody tell me how wrong I am.”
Well not everyone will tell you that, but that’s how it works on JBF.
Raheem DID have a 10-6 team in 2010. Schiano went 7-9 in his first year EVER in the pros as the Bucs coach. Lovie went 2-14 in his first season.
So essentially you are wrong.
January 6th, 2016 at 10:20 pm
Schiano won 11 games in 2 years and Lovie’s only won 8.
January 6th, 2016 at 10:25 pm
Then again I’m a fan that ONLY cares about W/L’s any other stat to me is what it is. Just a another stat, mostly meaningless unless you know how a certain team or player achieved that stat.
Wins and losses that’s all that matters. I’m pretty sure if you were to ask one of these playoffs teams a question like how does it feel to be leading the league in fill in the blank. None of them would have any idea what you were talking about.
Wins and Losses.
January 7th, 2016 at 1:32 am
From the Basement to the Bay, To the Plank!