Promote George Warhop
January 15th, 2016
Lock this man up.
In 2014, Joe thought offensive line coach George Warhop did a completely lousy job with the front wall of the Bucs.
In retrospect, it was the slugs with whom Lovie Smith thought he could win with that likely doomed Warhop.
Last year, the Bucs retooled a miserable front line with two rookies and two guys the Bucs pulled off the street who weren’t even on the roster when training camp began.
In 2014, the Bucs gave up 52 sacks, tied for fourth-worst in the NFL. A year later, again with two rookies and two guys off the street who were not on the roster when training camp started, Warhop halved that total to 27, fourth-best in the NFL.
That, folks, is production.
Joe hopes Koetter not only keeps Warhop, but pulls a Chucky. The last strong Bucs offensive line coach was Bill Muir. Afraid to see a team pluck him away, Chucky promoted him, in title only, to offensive coordinator.
Of course, Chucky ran the offense. But by promoting Muir, it prevented teams from hiring Muir unless it was for a head coaching gig (teams can block interviews unless they are for promotions).
This is what Koetter needs to do with Warhop. Give him a promotion (and a raise; he’s earned it), and it will prevent Warhop from slipping away any time soon.
Now that there is continuity for America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, there should be continuity for the other two offensive rookies, left tackle Donovan Smith and right guard Ali Marpet, two guys Warhop demanded be drafted last spring.
January 15th, 2016 at 7:05 am
Im not sure he is that good of a coach I think that Koetter is an excellent OC and knows blocking schemes and the OL and that is more reason for the OL performing so well and I think that Logan Mankins and later Hawley is probably the 2nd biggest reason that the rookies played well and became professionals
January 15th, 2016 at 7:07 am
I will have to pass the credit for the offensive line play to our ocer achieving rookies and our oc. Im not saying no….Im saying I will trust Koetter whatever he does
January 15th, 2016 at 7:07 am
Good idea
January 15th, 2016 at 7:10 am
Plus were we not screaming to get rid of him the first year?
January 15th, 2016 at 7:18 am
Here’s a novel idea, let the damn HC decide what’s best for his offense and football team.
January 15th, 2016 at 7:42 am
@Joe
Teams can block interviews for promotions too, unless it’s a head coach job. So promoting from OL Coach to OC, doesn’t really grant the team any additional protection. I believe the Bucs did just that with Joe Barry, the team’s LB coach at the time, and Rod Marinelli wanted to interview him for DC, when Rod was HC of the Lions, but the Bucs denied that request.
Sometimes it’s not in the best interest of the team to block those requests too frequently, because if you do, then that becomes a reason why a position coach wouldn’t want to come here in the first place.
January 15th, 2016 at 8:05 am
Anybody notice the coaches that went out on a limb and “demanded these guys be drafted,” namely Warhop and Nickerson, are still around?
January 15th, 2016 at 8:13 am
Joe I think you need to pump the breaks a bit. Yes, there was definitely improvement from a production stand point. But Jameis was at the top of the league for QB hits taken. Let’s also not forget the number of penaltys committed by this O-line. So there was improvement for sure, but a lot of that can be attributed to Koetter’s scheme. Let’s see another year of sustained improvement before we anoint Warhop.
January 15th, 2016 at 8:17 am
The Glazers & Licht may have been reading JBF……but I’m not sure Koetter does….let’s let him make the decision.
It seems to me that Koetter may be the reason for our improved line play…..not Warhop.
January 15th, 2016 at 8:55 am
I’ll admit that during last year, I was amazed at how bad the O-line was playing and thought this guy should be sent packing. This year, much better. So, it wasn’t the coach, but the people he had to work with. I guess that includes having an OC.
Shows how little I actually know as a fan. So they drafted a few guys, ditched a few others, and bam, awesome.
January 15th, 2016 at 9:06 am
Honestly I think the sucess of our O line came from the new asst O Line coach Butch Barry. another quality Jason Licht hire
January 15th, 2016 at 9:10 am
While I respect the sentiment it just makes me question what is going on with Bajakian?
@JOE How much credit does Bajakian deserve for #3’s development. Talk about a guy in the background most of us fans don’t really know how much influence he had.
If Bajakian like Warhop deserves praise for last year, where does he end up?
I always imagined Bajakian as a figurehead OC with Koetter perhaps calling plays in the beginning and then turning it over to Bajakian as he grew confident in him.
January 15th, 2016 at 9:10 am
The difference from when Butch was hired was night and day as we all saw. We pulled him up from the college ranks
January 15th, 2016 at 9:19 am
Hawley, Marpet and Smith and even Pamphile at guard played well. If Stanley amd Tunsil I would not be opposed to tkaing them, assuming Hargreaves, Ramsey, Bosa, Knemdiche are all gone.
January 15th, 2016 at 9:38 am
It makes sense, but I would rather him bring in a true OC.
January 15th, 2016 at 9:39 am
Why promotes him right now? There is no need to in order to keep him! Hire someone else and if they do badly, then you promote him.
January 15th, 2016 at 9:51 am
Scott how is it the assistant had more impact than the actual line coach? Makes no sense. Why because he was plucked out of the college ranks? Makes no sense as well.
I’m sorry Joe like it was said Fameis was hit over 100 times and at times the line couldn’t even block mediocre DLs (Colts with 5 sacks) so how does Cullen deserve a raise or promotion after one season? I think Jameis had something to do with their success. So did Koetter I mean wasn’t that one of the positives we all loved how his blocking schemes helped Atlantas line who was worse than ours?
January 15th, 2016 at 10:12 am
@Joe… Wow, every def. coor. I’ve heard mentioned beside koetter I was meh… Hop never crossed mind. But this makes so much sense! It’s like finding a New York cab driver who won’t take the park to get you cross town! Hop it is!!! He’s a heck of a hard a$$ and if Licht is talking energy well that is the kind of energy we need… Fire up GMC, unleash Kwon, allow David to become more vocal, get Muhammad Wilkerson in here to pass rush, get a young swag having DB and a ball hawk safety and there’s the defense we need to get the playoff spot we are seeking…
January 15th, 2016 at 10:15 am
Sorry.. Off. Coord
January 15th, 2016 at 10:59 am
I think a move like giving Warhop the OC spot is wrong. I didnt hear or see his name for any interviews or consideration elsewhere. I would say that is a panic move. Did he interview with anyone? Nope. I do not see anyone stealing him and I also think the OL improvement has more to do with scheme (a task Koetter is responsible) than Warhop. He did a good job of teaching the rookies but I think we need to see much more. I think Warhop is good but not great. If Koetter doesnt rehire him, that will speak volumes to bucs fan on the quality of his coaching.
January 15th, 2016 at 11:01 am
Let Koetter choose his offensive staff without putting ideas in people’s heads. I feel like sometimes the Joes think they know more than they do? I also heard on the last comment board that we should draft Derrick Henery. I’ve heard some very stupid things today and it’s not even noon.
January 15th, 2016 at 11:01 am
the difference is that Muir might have gotten an OC offer and thus declined to renew in tampa. position coach or coordinator, both can be blocked from interviewing for assistant or coordinator gigs (i think) and neither can be blocked from interviewing for HC gigs. unless we think somebody is going to make Warhop a head coach, i think we are as protected as we can be from losing him
January 15th, 2016 at 11:06 am
@joe didn’t you just report that Winston was hit some absurd amount of times this year.
I think any success with the line had as much to do w Koetter knowing blocking schemes than anything.
January 15th, 2016 at 11:28 am
Offensive Line penalties:
# Leag Ave
Holding 29 22
False starts 19 17
Illegal Formation 6 2
Illegal Shift 2 1
Most Penalties(team)
By Player:
# YDS
G.Cherilus 11 81
M.Evans 10 110
D.Smith 9 70
L.Mankins 8 65
Top 4 most penalized Bucs are Offense. 3 our 4 of the most penalized Buccaneers are O-line.
Why are we sugesting to promote Warhop?
January 15th, 2016 at 12:03 pm
I’m on the fence. I expect Warhop to stick.
Oline coach teaches technique within the scheme that an OC provides…
it all comes down to talent though… especially with penalties.
I think the Oline coach models his OC… and it appears that the relationship IS developing. if the relationship is there with both the talent and OC – keep him.
January 15th, 2016 at 1:12 pm
Earlier I said Cullen I meant Warhop
January 15th, 2016 at 1:41 pm
So who wrote this article? Steve or Lee?
This is absurd and for those that think this is a good idea, stop being sheep! Joe is running out of gas right now given all the content they’ve been pushing out, and they simply need to take step back and rest their fingers for a while, especially when they start writing articles like making sure we promote Warhop to Offensive Coordinator…what!? really!?
Next to Arroyo, I’m not sure if I wanted someone fired more than Warhop last season!
Do we completely ignore or forget players like Gilkey and Cousins!? Was it purely coincidence that Warhop leaves Cleveland and those two bums follow him to Tampa? Look, I’ll lay blame on Licht and Lovie for having the final say of the 53 man roster, and having them on it, but ultimately they trusted in Warhop and his professional opinion as an O-line coach that these (2) idiots were a good fix for the O-line, but as we all know they were a disaster and contributed to the worst offensive line in our franchise’s history.
This year’s O-line was most likely better not because of Warhop and his coaching prowess, but more so because we hired Dirk Koetter, drafted 2 very talented man-beasts in the lower rounds, and we patched up the rest with some solid veteran acquisitions.
January 15th, 2016 at 4:45 pm
Or just hire Mankins when he’s done playing, because from what gathered the players learned a lot from him.
Was it Mankins or Warhop? You decide.
January 15th, 2016 at 5:25 pm
This years OL was better because Donovan Smith, Joe Hawley and Ali Marpet replaced Anthony Collins, Patrick Omemah (who was lost last year), Evan Smith and back-ups Oniel Cousins and Garrett Gilkey. A huge part of last years line being terrible was McCown’s and Glennon’s release times compared to Jameis Winston as well as all the confusion with Offensive Linemen with Marcus Arroyo’s as OC. Dreambig’s post points out why I was hesitant with Koetter being HC. The offensive penalties are a reflection of our new HC. Koetter needs to leave Warhop where he is a bring in a new OC who can focus on fixing the issues with penalties, dropped passes and immaturity.