McCoy, Jameis Have Philosophical Clash
January 3rd, 2016
Gerald McCoy led the Bucs in a pregame pump-up session last Sunday against the Bears. Video showed McCoy smiling and yelling and imploring his team to have fun.
“Fun” was the word McCoy used repeatedly.
Enter America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston. After tonight’s clubbing by the Panthers, it sure looks like McCoy and Jameis are on different planets, based on the passionate lecturing of Jameis to media.
Jameis was steaming but composed at the postgame podium. He ranted about how the “whys,” regarding why some Bucs players take the field, need to be changed. Jameis talked about “taking wins” and playing with true attitude and will.
“We gotta fix the whys on this team. We gotta fix why are we playing football,” Jameis said. “You know, we got too many different whys right now. When we get that same why, the why that we want to win together when we become that true family, we’re going to be hell, now.”
Joe sees this as a mentality showdown between the two team leaders: McCoy and Jameis. Their approaches are different, and Jameis said tonight he will insist from Day 1 in April next season that the Bucs get on the same page and fix their mentality. (Isn’t that what a head coach does?).
So whose approach and mindset will win out? Joe sure hopes it’s Jameis’ way. He might be the Bucs’ best chance of restoring pride in the team. McCoy has proven he can’t do it.
January 3rd, 2016 at 9:27 pm
GMC needs to get on the same page or get out of town
January 3rd, 2016 at 9:28 pm
That was one of his best press conferences and he had many good ones this year. That kid just gets it. By the way, 2 of my younger cousins got pictures with Jameis eating at Waffle House instead of partying and lighting firecrackers. Jameis is really a good dude and I’m glad he’s a Buc.
January 3rd, 2016 at 9:28 pm
Easy. Winston. Won’t even be a competition. Let McCoy stand in the back and watch passion lead this team.
January 3rd, 2016 at 9:28 pm
Move on from McCoy. This is Jameis’ Team and Town now. Fire Lovie, Promote Koetter, when Pagano is fired in Indy hire Pagano to run the defense. Let’s make 2016 great! Go Bucs!
January 3rd, 2016 at 9:29 pm
You nailed it Joe. I watched 93’s pre game “fun” speech last week and almost puked. WTF was he talking about? There’s no way he got that from playing at OK under Bob Stoops. No way. Jameis and he are headed for a showdown.
January 3rd, 2016 at 9:31 pm
I’d like to see more evidence his words were meant for McCoy……10 points…..2 interceptions…aren’t going to beat the Panthers….our offense, which is supposed to be the strength of our team let us down these last 4 games…..the stats don’t lie…..we just didn’t get it done. We know our defense is weak.
For me….the losers are our entire defense except for Kwon, GMC, McDonald, Gholdson, Spence, LVD…….we need 2 CBs 2,S, 2 DEs…..
On offense….we need 1 realy good WR with Joey Galloway speed.
January 3rd, 2016 at 9:34 pm
Isn’t GMC’s mindset that of Lovie, too? At least in visible passion or pack thereof. Love the Pagano idea to run D. Never happen, though. Chuck has passion!
January 3rd, 2016 at 9:34 pm
(Isn’t that what a head coach does?).
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Jameis is more of a HC than the one we currently have!
January 3rd, 2016 at 9:34 pm
:O Article criticizing GMC? That’s a shocker. But, I agree Joe.
January 3rd, 2016 at 9:34 pm
Fire Lovie
January 3rd, 2016 at 9:35 pm
Trade McCoy now please.
January 3rd, 2016 at 9:38 pm
Gholdson ??
January 3rd, 2016 at 9:39 pm
The whys? Meaning the whos. Jameis walks the walk and talks the talk. Only this rebuild will take time. Everybody is frustrated with the losing.
January 3rd, 2016 at 9:41 pm
In what universe is a DT supposed to be the team’s leader? Sapp was a once in a lifetime outlier. Real teams have QB’s as their leaders. The fact that we’re even discussing GMC as the team leader just shines a spotlight on the ineptitude of this team the past 6 years or so. We don’t have that problem any longer. End of discussion.
January 3rd, 2016 at 9:44 pm
How can we have fun when we get our asses kicked over and over?
January 3rd, 2016 at 9:45 pm
Gholston
Anyway…..there is absolutely nothing wrong with having fun……I can tell you that Cam Newton was having lots of fun……all over the field….the only way to really have fun is to win….and I think every ball player knows that you don’t have fun losing.
I think GMC and Jameis are both right and I think they will come together….we need to get rid of the awful talent that is burning us every game….and most of it is on defense.
January 3rd, 2016 at 9:48 pm
This problem will be solved in the off season……Jameis will be the team leader and leader of the offense….and Kwon Alexander will lead the defense…..GMC will simply be able to focus on playing…..he wasn’t suited for the leadership role in the first place and I think he will be happy to give it up.
January 3rd, 2016 at 10:00 pm
PLEASE PLEASE GET RID OF GMC !!!!
HE IS BAD, I would take a number 2 or maybe even a number 3 in this years draft.
The guy is a loser and worst of all he is soft.
January 3rd, 2016 at 10:10 pm
GMC is a good defensive tackle, but he doesn’t have that “dog” in him. Defensive players need to play with an edge, and he doesn’t.
Doesn’t mean he’s not a good player, but I sure wouldn’t want to put that kind of money in that position for a player that would rather laugh and joke and have fun on the field than a guy who’ll spit in your face and punch you in the mouth to keep you from getting a thrid down conversion.
This team needs an attitude overhaul, and I think that’s what Jameis is getting at.
Good for him.
What about Lovie?
January 3rd, 2016 at 10:12 pm
No point in trading GMC. He’s good but not great, and it seems the leadership role was forced on him. I’d like to see him take a back seat. Kwon can’t be relied upon as a leader yet, as the guy missed 4 games for a big mistake. For now, our D leader has to be a coach and we can’t even stop a slant ALL year long. Sorry Lovie but the mix isn’t there.
January 3rd, 2016 at 10:13 pm
Chuck Pagano will not be retained by the Colts tomorrow. The Bucs should make a run at him immediately. Hire him, fire Lovie, leave Koetter in place. True, Pagano runs a hybrid 3-4, but he is a defensive secondary specialist, and given we are poised for a likely defense heavy draft, a scheme change could be made successfully. Do it.
January 3rd, 2016 at 10:14 pm
A lot of you calling to get rid of/trade McCoy… i get it, its frustrating, but how does that help? People are mad because hes being paid “elite” money but hes only a “good” player. We need to keep him, we need to put better players around him. So what if he isn’t a dynamic leader, he can follow and be even more productive. I think next year we will see Kwon rise as the true leader of this defense. McCoy and David are really good players but just dont seem to be the outspoken type that will put someone back on track when an assignment is blown. They don’t seem to be motivators. Hopefully Kwon will fill that gap too.
January 3rd, 2016 at 10:17 pm
I like going after Pagano as well, offense is pretty much in place, let him handle the D. Much better coach, three 11-5 seasons and 8-8 with the mess he had. Hell he won with Freeman and Lindley both making key contributions. He’d be a big upgrade.
January 3rd, 2016 at 10:26 pm
“When we get that same why, the why that we want to win together when we become that true family, we’re going to be hell, now.”
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Huh? Guess that’s the FSU education talking.
#fsunoenglishclasses
January 3rd, 2016 at 10:26 pm
You guys picking new coaches for us are in for some real disappointment….Lovie will be retained…
One of the difficulties I will have with JBF posters who will continue to call for his firing even after its patently obvious that’s not going to happen.
This is truly the definition of insanity.
January 3rd, 2016 at 10:26 pm
People who want to trade McCoy are idiots , thats why they watch from a chair. Trade him and these same people will say we have no depth, we have no line. put some pieces around him on the Dline. Get legit DE no a project…
like the orlando magic , tracey mCgrady and both dWIGHT howard never soround them with talent, the team will get nowhere. this case the DLINE, the guy plays hurt all year and buc fan still complains, he siths out buc fan still complains..
this seems like a non issue but something has to fill the spots on the site.
January 3rd, 2016 at 10:30 pm
Pagano never had a losing season, his las season he didn’t have Luck for the majority of the year. 8 wins for Lovie and the media would throw a parade for him
January 3rd, 2016 at 10:32 pm
Chuck Pagano?
You guys are morons.
You do realize he is responsible for the worst call in the history of the NFL, right?
https://youtu.be/6i7VKQwDS2s
I credit him for beating cancer but please keep this mastermind (ha!) out of Tampa Bay. Let it go guys, Lovie will be back next year and there isn’t anything you can do about it (ha!).
January 3rd, 2016 at 10:33 pm
Tampabaybucfan Says:
January 3rd, 2016 at 10:26 pm
You guys picking new coaches for us are in for some real disappointment….Lovie will be retained…
One of the difficulties I will have with JBF posters who will continue to call for his firing even after its patently obvious that’s not going to happen.
This is truly the definition of insanity.
We’re just optimists. It’s gonna happen in 365 days, why not do it today? If Pagano and Payton are available and the Bucs don’t at least sniff around they aren’t doing their due diligence. Every portion of this team, head coach included, needs to always be evaluated for upgrades.
January 3rd, 2016 at 10:40 pm
D-Rome…I say the worst call in history was in last years SB.
January 3rd, 2016 at 10:41 pm
TBBF, to me, calling for changes, making rational arguments, criticizing, speculating, fantasizing, etc. is what being a fan is all about. It’s what makes being a fan, especially of a bad team, fun. It’s not insanity at all. What would be insane is believing our commentary has any influence with the Glazers. I can assure you I’m not insane…although still following this team after 40 years might qualify me. : )
And Lightning Buc, I think what this intense 21 year old meant was everyone needs to be on the same page as to why they play the game, which is to win, not to make money, or to have fun.
I’m not sure this analogy applies, but in a former life I was a racer. There were plenty of race teams that competed to have fun, and far fewer that were doing it solely to win. Second place sucked to these guys so they prepared harder, fought harder, took more risks, never gave an inch, and never quit. Guess who won more races? Maybe that’s what Jaboo is saying.
January 3rd, 2016 at 10:43 pm
GMC the Dwight Howard of the NFL.
January 3rd, 2016 at 10:45 pm
lightningbuc…did you have a 4.0 gpa in high school or a 3.6 gpa in college?
Did you have more academic awards than athletic awards while in high school?
I’m guessing no on both questions.
It’s going to be a long 15 years for you buddy.
January 3rd, 2016 at 10:52 pm
There are still deniers of Jameis Christ? In time you shall be cast out!
January 3rd, 2016 at 10:52 pm
D-Rome, do you think I’m a moron because I believe Pagano would be a substantial upgrade over Lovie, or because you think I think I can actually influence the Glazers to make the change? In either case I’m not the moron.
January 3rd, 2016 at 10:53 pm
Bucs Fan Since ’76 Says:
I don’t have any problem with criticism…calling for changes….speculation….debate…….where I have difficulty is when the decision is made and it is obvious that we have another year before any change possible with the coach…that posters respond to the subject matter of the articles…..
For example…if the article is about our draft position..lets talk about that….not about firing Lovie after he has been retained.
I suspect you sat in the stands with me in 1976…..you and I have a unique perspective as Buc fans…..we hate losing like everyone else….but we have learned that to be a true fan you have to take the bad with the good….and for a Buc fan…it’s more bad.
January 3rd, 2016 at 10:59 pm
Buc87,
Didn’t have a 4.0 in high school , but then again was never accused of ra pe either, nor did I stand on a table in the student union and yell “F&** her in the Pu&**” (after being accused of ra pe)!
Spare me the faux GPA’s and “academic awards” – Jaboo will never be confused for Einstein.
January 3rd, 2016 at 11:05 pm
Last week Buc Nation did a fire Lovie poll and 60% said he should return for another season. Not after today. The number flipped the other way tonight 60% are now saying he needs to be fired.
Let’s hope the Glazers are reading the fan sites right now.
January 3rd, 2016 at 11:08 pm
I hope the Glazers hold Lovie accountable for his own words saying patience should not be required.
January 3rd, 2016 at 11:10 pm
I’m loving these new anti-Jameis trolls. Troll harder guys.
January 3rd, 2016 at 11:10 pm
Many people have been falsely accused of r-ape….and I don’t have to spare you nothing when it comes to actual facts. That which I just stated. He’s probably 5 times smarter than you are.
It’s going to be a long 15 years for you.
I can’t wait until she loses her civil suit and he wins his countersuit against her. What will clowns like you say then? I’ve done enough research on the kid that I KNOW he’s going to win and she’s going to lose.
Justice.
January 3rd, 2016 at 11:15 pm
SCBucsFan…oh no lightningbuc has been here awhile. He just refuses to look at the facts of the case and immediately thinks he assaulted the girl that got a ride home from him on the back of a motor scooter after this alleged incident. There’s actually numerous things that point to his innocence in the case and the judge will see right through her BS. Just as everyone else has. Well not everyone as you can see.
January 3rd, 2016 at 11:22 pm
All trolls kill yourselfs.
Ur not bucs fans. Your trolls. Lovie is a garbage coach so get off his nutz
#FIRELOVIE
January 3rd, 2016 at 11:24 pm
Nothing fun about losing.
January 3rd, 2016 at 11:50 pm
Why dump McCoy? He’s a good player right. Just let jw lead not McCoy. We can’t afford to get rid of good players on defense we only have 3-4.. We need to keep all good players and add new ones every year. Dump the bad and mediocre guys.
January 3rd, 2016 at 11:58 pm
Does Jameis think Lovie should be fired? Oh wait, certain fans can see things that our own qb cant.
Why did Schiano not get a third year? Well, helost the locker room. That, and he was terrible on gameday, which is really saying alot considering that there is so much we as fans dont know and cant see.
January 3rd, 2016 at 11:59 pm
Jameis is right. I think a lot of bucs have lost their passion for the game. Their passion and will to win. It stared with schiano. He broke down those players and they haven’t crawled away from the loser mentality. GMC is a leader of the defense. But he isn’t passionate. He’s outgoing and big talker. But that is mostly off the field. He isn’t passionate about winning.
I’m still of the fence about Lovie. I don’t care for him as our HC. But I’m not sure who (if anyone) out there is better. Some head coaches are the passionate leader of the team. Rex Ryan, Pete Carroll, Bruce Arians, Jon Gruden, etc. while others are quiet and let the players handle how they get pumped up. Bellicheat, Lovie, McCarthy, Rivera, Dungy, etc. neither way is the right way. Coaches have had huge success doing both ways. So I don’t condemn Lovie’s philosophy. But he still needs the respect of the players if he is going to be the quiet guy. He can’t let the player run over him. I have no idea what the atmosphere is like between the bucs players and Lovie. So I can’t really comment on that. But if there is any tension at all then it is time for Lovie to go.
We now have Winston as our leader of the team, we don’t need a ra ra head coach. But we need more than just Winston, we need someone opposite of him on the defense. Currently we don’t have that leader. Hopefully in FA or draft we find that guy.
Obviously it takes more than just passion and will to win games. But if you don’t have those, you don’t win games. And that is what Winston is eluding to here.
January 4th, 2016 at 12:02 am
LargoBuc…Schiano(no NFL experience) DID win 11 games in 2 years to Lovie’s(vast NFL experience) 8.
If Schiano deserved to be fired than Lovie more than qualifies to be fired in the morning.
Will it happen? I don’t think so. So 365 more days until Lovie’s gone. Get us another high pick next year Lovie, it seems that’s all your good at.
January 4th, 2016 at 12:06 am
Trubucfan22…have you looked at the roster lately? Not too many Schiano guys on the team anymore is there? So how are they “broke down” from Schiano?
Please explain your reasoing when 80% of the current roster is Lovie’s baby. Schiano never even met these guys before.
January 4th, 2016 at 12:07 am
You people need to focus on the draft and FA and stop with the idiotic screaming for Lovie to be fired. Not happening and it shouldn’t happen.
Same with McCoy being traded. Stupid. He’s the best DT on the team and would be 10 sacks a year if they had a DE worth a damn.
January 4th, 2016 at 12:10 am
Check that. Having just looked up the entire roster I’d say 90% of the roster is Lovie’s baby.
January 4th, 2016 at 12:13 am
Dave… 60% of Buc Nation says he needs to be fired. I’m sorry your in the 40% minority that can’t see that. Perhaps it’s the 40% that aren’t “idiotic”. I think I stick on the 60% side. I’ve seen enough.
“We were 4-12 last year” – Lovie Smith arrogantly stated on numerous times upon being hired by the Bucs in 2014 only to go out and win just 2 games and NO home games.
“We don’t expect our fans to patient” – Jason Licht 2014
January 4th, 2016 at 12:17 am
Trubuc …I counted 9 Schiano guys. 8 if you don’t count Bowers who they just picked up for a stop gap.
January 4th, 2016 at 1:40 am
There are not two leaders… Just one… Winston… McCoy is a fine player but not the team leader…
January 4th, 2016 at 1:53 am
gmc needs to get better at staying the and giving his all
January 4th, 2016 at 5:41 am
For the record, I wanted Suh.
January 4th, 2016 at 6:39 am
Dave Says:
January 4th, 2016 at 12:07 am
You people need to focus on the draft and FA and stop with the idiotic screaming for Lovie to be fired. Not happening and it shouldn’t happen
Another loser who can’t wait to start looking at 2017 and 2018 mock drafts. Because with Lovie that’s all there is to look forward to.
January 4th, 2016 at 7:51 am
I sure hope the y fire Lovie today. They should trade GMC for a first round pick. The guy has never had the right attitude since he got here which why Sapp got on him.
January 4th, 2016 at 9:18 am
If you would’ve actually listened to McCoy’s entire speech, and paid attention to contextual clues, you would understand that he and the team knew they were out of the playoff race. What else would they have to play for? Mccoy is hardly the problem on this team, he works at his craft harder than the players Jameis was referring to.
January 4th, 2016 at 10:20 am
mccoy’s play is somewhere between very good and great most of the time. mccoy’s leadership is somewhere between reluctant and awkward most of the time. he relishes the big brother role with young teammates from the sound of it, but that is different than team leadership, ESPECIALLY within a game
January 4th, 2016 at 10:32 am
McCoy had his chance. He had years to get the attitude in check on the team. It’s time he step aside. He’s not equal to the task. Not a knock on him as a person. That’s not saying he’s overpaid and shouldn’t be making what he is. He certainly has a place on the team. His place just isn’t in front of the group.
January 4th, 2016 at 11:20 am
Some of you guys are a Trip. Once we get McCoy the pass rushing help he has never really had here, you may be singing a very different tune.
I agree, he is not exactly what you want, in an overall team leader. But if we can ever get him some pass rushing help, to free him from the constant double teams he faces every Sunday, look out.
January 4th, 2016 at 11:36 am
I HEARD THAT LOVIE SMITH WILL BE FIRED TODAY AT NOON !!!!!!!
January 4th, 2016 at 12:30 pm
Gerald be all like Barrett.
Jameis be all like Hardy.
Two polar opposites. A born leader, and just another guy.
January 4th, 2016 at 8:56 pm
Anyone from day one could see McCoy is jealous of Jameis unless you are Ray Charles, as he kept saying he needed to be reigned in as far as his leadership qualities. He has never had leadership ability,never has never will period. We have to many Gerald’s on this team now that accepts the losing culture and unless Lovie fixes this he will find himself back in the basement sooner rather than later!