Jameis Winston > Carson Palmer
January 25th, 2016
Better than Carson Palmer.
Joe remembers when America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, had five turnovers in his fourth NFL game. The Bucs rookie quarterback threw four picks and fumbled.
Bucs fans were irate. Some wanted to throw bottles at Lovie Smith for not taking Marcus Mariota instead. The Mike Glennon Mob came out of hiding in the woods and demanded he start.
The game proved to be a watershed moment for Jameis. Either he learned himself, or was read the riot act by Bucs coaches afterwards, that more turnovers would ruin his career and turn him into the most hated man in Florida.
Suddenly, Jameis got the hint and came of age. He not only went on a turnover-free binge after that game, he rallied to put up numbers with the very best of NFL rookie quarterbacks, and he nearly willed the Bucs to a playoff berth before Lovie Smith’s defense collapsed in the final four weeks of the season.
Lst night, one of the better veteran quarterbacks in the NFL put up one of the most grotesque games you will every see. Against the same Stinking Panthers that humbled Jameis. Palmer had four picks (one a pick-six) and two fumbles. That’s six turnovers, one more than a raw rookie.
So what does this tell Joe? Joe would rather have Jameis than Palmer, despite Palmer’s vast experience.
January 25th, 2016 at 7:09 am
Me, too!
January 25th, 2016 at 7:16 am
No…
January 25th, 2016 at 7:26 am
“Joe would rather have Jameis than Palmer”
Duh – Jameis is 21, he’s already a top 10 NFL QB – has got a long career ahead of him if he can stay healthy – and he’s relatively cheap for the next 3 years.
January 25th, 2016 at 7:30 am
Seeing how good the Panthers performed against both Seattle & especially Arizona….it sort of makes their victory over us a little more understandable….
January 25th, 2016 at 7:34 am
Jameis Winston is greatest QB of all time. He’s better than Cam Newton, Brady, Rodgers, and Manning. Jameis > ∞
January 25th, 2016 at 7:37 am
Panthers and Denver are proving that you still need a big time defense to win championships. Top 5 QBs are good to have, but without a top 5 defense it doesn’t matter.
January 25th, 2016 at 8:19 am
Umm… Manning and Newton are definitely bringing those defenses down.
January 25th, 2016 at 8:23 am
The only way to confirm this is for the bucs to get larry Fitzgerald.
January 25th, 2016 at 8:36 am
One of the worst posts ever. No mention of that throwing finger either? You can tell he’s not right. Rather have Winston moving forward but that was a juvenile comparison.
January 25th, 2016 at 8:43 am
Manning is no longer bringing defenses down. He has a good cast around him and is fortunate to have a defense playing lights out. Denvers Offense couldn’t get ouside their own 20 for the the better part of the 4th quarter. Camera showed Payton throwing the ball to loosen up with a bad grimis on his face. That dude is done. We are in a pretty good spot right now having Jameis.
January 25th, 2016 at 9:13 am
Until Jameis improves his accuracy he won’t be a good QB. Excited about his potential but he has quite a bit to work on still
January 25th, 2016 at 9:13 am
Joe did you really write this post.
I am a fan of Winstons so this isn’t me trying to knock him. But those are 2 totally different games. Playoffs are a completely different beast. Some of the best QBs have their worst games at that time. dont forget Winston bombed on his first NFL game. Like you told us all off season there is no way we should lose that game and look who had the better game. You are starting to sound like a little kid. You are going to post everything possible to validate your reasoning why Winston is far more superior then all other QBs in the NFL and shred anyone who thinks anything different.
January 25th, 2016 at 9:35 am
LOL! @ this post. Palmer just played for a divisional championship and our guy barely cracked a 50% completion percentage on a team that won 6 games.
January 25th, 2016 at 9:50 am
ufour20 Says:
January 25th, 2016 at 9:35 am
“our guy barely cracked a 50% completion percentage ”
Uhh, it was 58.3%, and that was with how many drops and undrafted free agents on the field? Peyton and Luck’s first year completion %’s were 56.7% and 54.1%. The only guy I can think of with under 50% is Tebow.
January 25th, 2016 at 9:55 am
LOL @ ufour20. Nice Jamarcus dig on Jameis. You sure do know QBs.
ufour20 Says:
April 26th, 2015 at 1:26 pm
You guys are hilarious. This article is the clearest exlplenation of why we are NOT going to pick Jemarcus.
Lovie has to win this year or it’s safe to assume he’s out the door. So you think he’s going to pick a QB with questionable throwing mechanics, questionable feet and questionable off-field issues to lead your team to a winning season?!?!? LMAO! If you truly believe that, I have some swamp land – I mean prime real estate – I’d like to sell you.
No rookie QB is coming in here behind a crappy line and doing anything but getting killed. Those wanting to pick Winston this year are last years Manziel homers.”
January 25th, 2016 at 9:57 am
“ufour20 Says:
October 4th, 2015 at 5:31 pm
Hate to say I told you all so, but told you so. Jemarcus Winston Freeman”
Runner up for Offensive rookie of the year. I hate to say I told you so.
January 25th, 2016 at 10:08 am
Im sorry, but there are alot of things Jameis needs work on, he could have done more during those last four, but he was a rookie so its understandable. But when I read an article saying a guy who just finished his rookie season is better than one of the most experienced qb’s in the league, it’s worth mentioning that Jameis is no free of blame for the last four games. So many overthrows, etc.
Now of couse, anyone would choose to build around Jameis, he’s younger and has way more years ahead in this league than Carson. But if someone is suggesting they would take Jameis over Palmer in “one” game, ok, Granted Palmer didnt look great these playoffs, but lets at least see if Jameis can will his team to a playoff berth, let alone win a playoff game, let alont the NFC championship! I love watching Jameis and im elated that he is our qb and I knew when we drafted him he was better than anyone outside this market wanted him to be. But there is no need to bash Palmer to prop Jameis, and suggesting a rookie is better than a seasoned vet with playoff experience, is bashing Palmer. Needlessley.
January 25th, 2016 at 10:32 am
Look no further than the top 4 playoff teams Defense. And the now top 2 are Defensive Giants amongst the NFL teams. Panthers Defense is playing..lights out. They are hitting hard, swarming, and pass rushing and quick to the ball.
Now, as for Palmer and Jameis? no comparison. Palmer led his team to the top 4 in the league. However he does have a rep for not..getting over the top. Jameis on the other hand has tons of stuff to work on. And I do mean tons if he wants to take us to the playoffs. Everybody talks about his arm but look how many passes he throws and..overthrows. Bucs had better worry more about their Defense and..Mankins returning.
January 25th, 2016 at 10:34 am
“The Mike Glennon Mob came out of hiding in the woods…”
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I Lol’ed at that one.
(Although I was a member of the MGM until Winston showed his glorious potential.)
January 25th, 2016 at 10:36 am
Defend Palmer guys trash Winston. The point Joe is trying to make is would you rather a young qb with a knack for rising up in big situations or one that turns the ball over 6 times even tho he is a grizzled vet in the biggest game of his careers. I have watched a ton of football lately. Every qb misses some throws. The requirements that many of you have for Winston is laughable. He doesn’t have a Fitzgerald or a Brown. Then look at his third option with Floyd.
January 25th, 2016 at 10:48 am
Palmer had two bad games in a row. Either he’s a choker or that finger is bothering him. Since it’s on his throwing hand i”m going with the latter.
If I had only one game it would be a tough call. By next year it won’t though because I believe #3 is going to be studying tape and working on his throwing accuracy and improving footwork and throwing motion for the next six months.
As Joe pointed out #3 improved dramatically from the start of the season. He did this while under extreme pressure and in the middle of the season. With the off season he gets to truly WORK on his deficiencies so we can only imagine what he might look like next year.
The NFC South is set for some real showdowns between Cam and #3!!!!
January 25th, 2016 at 10:59 am
still, after all the narratives about how you don’t really need to spend 1st rounders or #1 overall picks to get your franchise QB – and of course the heisman = bust narrative – it was interesting to see 4 #1 overall picks (alex smith, carson palmer, cam, peyton) and 2 other 1st rounders (big ben, rodgers) among the final 8 teams standing. 3 or 4 heismans in that group too
January 25th, 2016 at 11:51 am
Exactly tampa tony. He’s far from a sure thing. Bad mechanics at times. Just like Freeman except Winston can get to the second and third reads.
January 25th, 2016 at 12:34 pm
@Baker Bucs
Some of the best QB’s have the worst performances in the playoffs because they are actually playing good teams.
January 25th, 2016 at 12:36 pm
I must admit that Jameis had a very nice year STATISTICALLY, which compares very favorably to some other rookie years in the NFL.
For instance:
JW3 in his first 16 games had 4042 yds with 22 TDs and 15 INTs.
MG8 in his first 16 games had 3594 yds with 26 TDs and 12 INTs.
MG8 in his first 18 games plus one qtr vs. ATL has 29 TDs and 15 INTs.
Completion percentage the same: JW = 58.3 MG = 58.8
One more win for Winston so far, has two games next year to add to this.
You can all decide who had the better supporting cast, opportunities,coaching etc.
One other little known fact:
JW3 completed 89 of 312 (28.5%) passes to his running backs for 861 yds.
MG8 (2013) completed 76 of 247 (30.5%) to running backs for 383 yds.
Again you can all decide who had the better running game and receivers etc.
tickrdr (last remaining member of the MGM)
January 25th, 2016 at 3:10 pm
Jameis has one year behind him. Too soon to say he is overall better than Palmer.
But dang…Palmer looked horrible in that game. He’s done.
And this has to be Peyton’s last year. He looked like an old man out there.
January 25th, 2016 at 4:56 pm
Tickdr – The 6 rushing TDs obviously count as scores attributed to Jameis – so Winston had 28 TDs and 15 Ints in 16 games.
Remember in pre-season when you asked for my prediction of Winston’s stats in his 1st 16 games?
I believe I predicted 27 TDs and 17 Ints.
I was pretty close and Jameis even surpassed my obviously high expectations by a bit.
Winston was only the 3rd QB in NFL history to surpass 4000 yards in his rookie season.
I will grant you that MG’s early career stats are very impressive when viewed in a vaccuum – but there’s still that “eyeball test” thingy that just screws everything up for Glennon – at least from my vantage point.
Maybe he will get a chance to prove you right and me wrong sometime in the next year or two – but even with impressive stats, nothing has changed about the fact that Glennon is rightfully viewed by most in the know as a very good back-up QB – but as a questionable/borderline starter in the NFL.
January 25th, 2016 at 6:41 pm
@Pickgrin:
Nice post, and points well-taken. Agree we must count his rushing TDs, but I would suspect most would prefer that he passed for scores rather than run for them. He is a big, strong, young man and I’m sure he could never get hurt running the ball.
How should we count the pick6’s?
I am happy that you didn’t argue that MG8 had a better OL, receivers, running game, and OC, or that he received more 1st team reps and better coaching than JW3 did..
No need for you to respond, and I certainly know I am not going to convince anybody. Just trying to underscore a few points.
As you stated, we shall see. I also suspect you are correct, and that MG8 may never get a chance, barring injury.
tickrdr