Hypocrisy Running Amok
January 8th, 2016
“I didn’t get more time and I had a better record.”
The excuses Joe is reading for keeping Lovie Smith as Bucs head coach are growing hysterical.
Joe likes the guys who fronted the following, who both work national sports radio, so Joe isn’t going to embarrass them any further than they are embarrassing themselves.
They claim because Tom Landry and Chuck Noll started out terribly as head coaches in the 1960s — that’s 50 friggin’ years ago! — NFL coaches (specifically Lovie) should be given a free pass for four years to run their teams into utter destruction.
Give. Joe. A. Freaking. Break.
Joe has one simple question for all of these national NFL media types who are going nuts about Lovie being fired. Where the eff were you when Greg Schiano was fired? Where?
Schiano, like Lovie, was run out of town after two years, and he had a better record than Lovie!!! Where were the apologists then?
Like Lovie, Schiano, too, was fired a year after starting a rookie at quarterback. Joe doesn’t recall one national NFL person claim that Schiano needed more time. Not one. Not one Joe can think of went crazy over Schiano being canned after two years, like Lovie was.
But with Lovie being fired after two years, the reaction is as if President Obama abolished the second amendment. Get a grip!
The fact none of these clowns ever defended Schiano just shows the rank hypocrisy out there. If Lovie needed more time, if it was such a moral outrage that Lovie was fired, then where the hell were you frauds two years ago?
Shut. Up. Shuddup! You are exposing yourself for the frauds that you are.
January 8th, 2016 at 1:13 pm
lovie has many more friends and well-wishers in the media than schiano could dream of, and he has the Father Dungy halo. talking heads are coming out to support a guy they like personally. i just wish they’d send him a “hang in there, buddy!” text message instead of getting on their soapbox and ignoring the decisions on lovie’s part that culminated in his inevitable dismissal
January 8th, 2016 at 1:15 pm
alot of the folks criticizing this decision also fail to mention that Lovie insisted on the Glazers giving him 3 jobs – HC, DC, and personnel overlord – and was unwilling to cede any of them despite doing all 3 poorly
January 8th, 2016 at 1:17 pm
I love it Joe, you nailed it.
January 8th, 2016 at 1:19 pm
Schiano got fired largely because of Josh Freeman’s meltdown. It was apparent very early on that Schiano was in over his head, the “Toes on the Line” act with professional players was ridiculous.
Lovie got fired because the defense seemed to disintegrate the last month of the season, against beatable competition with a playoff berth on the line.
Both terminations were timely and justified. Let’s hope the next head coach of the Buccaneers stays 15 years and wins multiple championships!
January 8th, 2016 at 1:20 pm
@JOE
Where was all this fire and passion from you before? Why all of a sudden you can go all in on Lovie and pick his weak a$$ apart? You didn’t do this during the season. You were soft on him like everyone else. Now that he’s gone you want to go hard. Bull$hit! #WhereTheEffWereYouJoe
January 8th, 2016 at 1:21 pm
I couldn’t stand Schiano (I like Lovie much more), but you are 100% right. If you take away their past history and judged them on an equal scale, both deserved to be fired.
January 8th, 2016 at 1:22 pm
Ah men Joe.
January 8th, 2016 at 1:29 pm
Schiano rushed the near end of the game kneel down. The media and some sports talking heads blew a gasket. Oh the horror. I still can’t put my finger exactly on why Schiano was fired. He was 50 times better than unlovable Lovie.
January 8th, 2016 at 1:36 pm
They say it takes at least a year to get Lovies system. Any secondary draft picks from this coming draft wouldn’t be effective until at least the 2017 season. We can’t wait that long to see if Lovie could turn things around. He had his chance. Great guy but not the head coach for us…
January 8th, 2016 at 1:40 pm
I’d take schiano back over another season of Lovie, atleast he got the most out of David and some other defenders. He also didn’t decide to cut revis then complain about not having the right corners, oh and Barron and goldson who both played well and one is the leader of a playoff defense this year.
January 8th, 2016 at 1:43 pm
Schiano was fired too early. He should have gotten a pass for his 2nd year, when everything that could possibly go wrong did. But what happened happened.
The hard cold facts on Lovie are that he’s just not a good coach. In 11 years leading 2 teams, he was 89-87, which makes him mediocre. And giving him any say over personnel decisions based on what he did in Chicago was insane.
January 8th, 2016 at 1:46 pm
@Buccfan37, absence makes the heart grow fonder. for all the hubbub about the locker room stuff, Schiano’s ineptitude and conservatism on game day were almost as egregious as Lovie’s. There was alot of other stuff going on in the Schiano situation, but for me the poor calls and lack of adjustments on sunday was enough to seal the fate of that coaching staff.
when you have been the guy wearing the headset as long as schiano or lovie have been, the odds of you suddenly becoming a better gameday coach are somewhere between slim and none.
January 8th, 2016 at 1:46 pm
Ray Rice:
Joe thought Lovie earned another year because of Jameis. Joe’s been very clear about this. Joe also thought Lovie did a terrible, terrible job everywhere else. Joe has been very clear about this as well.
January 8th, 2016 at 1:47 pm
I’m going to throw up if I hear one more person talk about how we should have given Schiano one more year. Apparently people have very short memories. Please stop making yourself look stupid. They both had to go, period.
January 8th, 2016 at 1:50 pm
Right, let’s not forget either that Greg Schiano essentially created a QB controversy by drafting Glennon and giving him 1st team reps. That 3rd round pick in 2013 should have been used to pick a player that would actually help the team win.
MRSA happened twice in the Bucs locker rooms and essentially ended the careers of Lawrence Tynes and Carl Nicks. For someone in control of everything he takes ownership of that mess.
Hope….that’s all any of us really have. Hope in something we’ll never see come to fruition. The Bucs are 58-102 since the Glazer sons took over ten years ago. Simple as that.
January 8th, 2016 at 1:51 pm
My problem isn’t so much that they fired Lovie as much as I’m scared of who they might hire. So far every hire by the Glazer sons has been worse than the last. Gruden .509 Raheem .354 Schiano .344 Smith .250
January 8th, 2016 at 1:53 pm
Stop changing user names or you will be banned. Thank you. –Joe
January 8th, 2016 at 2:00 pm
Agree HB… they both had to go, but like Joe, I’m growing tired of this commentary. Joe is correct tho. You can’t have it both ways. I get it. Schiano wasn’t very much liked in the area. AM radio hosts loved Raheem and Freeman as they were all buddies. Was not a fan of Schiano or Glennon but we should’ve seen what we had there instead of McCown.
Being said. I love where the Bucs are now. We have the franchise QB. I believe we have a Franchise GM. We have a ton of cap space and mid-premium draft picks. Go get a franchise Head Coach. The so future’s bright…
January 8th, 2016 at 2:01 pm
Well, he did have a hand in building a pretty good offense. If the entire team was a shambles, I would have agreed on firing him. But he unselfishly put offense first.
He should have gotten one more year so he could draft defense.
But…what’s done is done and time to move on. I hope they make a good choice this time around, because I’m getting truly tired of the constant turnover. No stability whatsoever.
THAT’s what the worst thing about all of this is.
January 8th, 2016 at 2:06 pm
Do none of these analyst realize we lead the league in penalties? Coaching. Lack of a winning mentality among much of the team? Coaching. Had a chance to make the playoffs and lost 4 straight? Coaching. Rumors guys are tuning him out? Coaching. Defensive coach and we don’t even crack the top 20 in defense. I don’t get the shock
January 8th, 2016 at 2:06 pm
PR had an interesting report today that before the Saints game, Russell Shephard led a pre game speech in the locker room that had some expletives. Allegedly Lovie stopped the speech right in the middle of it to stop Shephard and all the bad words. If this is true, wow is all I can say. Talk about a total buzz kill!
January 8th, 2016 at 2:13 pm
saw that article, HB. just screams “out of touch”. kinda like his gameplans
January 8th, 2016 at 2:14 pm
Who is the Bucs’ all time leader in passing TD’s & yardage? Yep, the one Joe hates and his man crush cut, gave out medical information. Was nice to see him starting for the Colts last week. Yep, he’s still out there.
Didn’t see any paper bags worn by the fans under Lovie’s tenure. Saw many during the Schiano collapse. Talk about tearing a team apart.
January 8th, 2016 at 2:14 pm
Hawaiian:
Joe read that and doesn’t know how much stock to put into that. If an NFL player needs a special teams player to cuss to get them motivated to play in their biggest game in years, maybe in their NFL careers, perhaps Jameis was right all along.
Seems like a lazy excuse to Joe.
It’s a nice nugget, but seems really trivial.
January 8th, 2016 at 2:16 pm
Then you got idiots like Stephen A, turning this into a race issue. The Bucs should seriously look into filing a defamation of brand suit, that imbecile needs to be held accountable for the garbage spewing out his mouth. Everyone on twitter, blow this jerk up.
January 8th, 2016 at 2:17 pm
Yup. Guilty as charged. Joe has no use for clowns to shat on their team, become irresponsible and do their best to Pearl Harbor the club in order to get their way and get out of town. Stand up dude there. Glad someone likes him.
As for giving out medical information, what ever happened to that NFLPA investigation, hhhmmm? Guess it was a lie after all. Imagine that.
January 8th, 2016 at 2:21 pm
SAS isn’t exactly a long-ball hitter in the IQ department.
His schtick is to be outraged and scream louder than the next guy.
January 8th, 2016 at 2:23 pm
D-Rome Says:
January 8th, 2016 at 1:50 pm
Right, let’s not forget either that Greg Schiano essentially created a QB controversy by drafting Glennon and giving him 1st team reps. That 3rd round pick in 2013 should have been used to pick a player that would actually help the team win.
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Pats drafted Garrapolo in the 2nd round. Did you see Tom Brady totally meltdown? Noope. People need to stop blaming Schiano for Freeman being a mental midget. If anything, Schiano should have played Glennon from opening day that season and let Josh continuing his skiing hobby. Schiano might still be employed if he did.
January 8th, 2016 at 2:24 pm
It’s a case by case situation
This year there were three things I was going to base my evaluation (not that anyone cares about my evaluation) of Lovie on
1- Is the team playing hard every single down?
2- Is the team playing disciplined?
3- Is the team playing smart?
The answer to all 3 is an emphatic “no.”
I really didn’t care about the record this year as much as I did the answer to those three questions
January 8th, 2016 at 2:26 pm
Brady was very unhappy with that pick he wanted a WR or another offensive threat from the articles I recall reading.. But you are correct
January 8th, 2016 at 2:27 pm
What would have happened if Schiano would have had Carson Palmer as a QB like he really wanted?????
January 8th, 2016 at 2:29 pm
@Joe,
Yeah, I’m not in any way saying that cost us the game. That’s no different than blaming the personal foul call in the Tennessee game as a reason for our collapse. I do, however, think it does show that the players weren’t necessarily allowed to be themselves. I’ve been in a lot of locker rooms, and cursing is just part of the deal. Hell, most of my coaches cursed more than we did as players. To stop a speech right in the middle is mind blowing to me. My mind immediately goes to what I would feel as a player had that happened, and it probably wouldn’t have been very positive towards the coach.
January 8th, 2016 at 2:30 pm
“What would have happened if Schiano would have had Carson Palmer as a QB like he really wanted?????”
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The same thing that happened when Carson Palmer was in Oakland. A lot of losses.
January 8th, 2016 at 2:32 pm
“wazzup Says:
January 8th, 2016 at 2:14 pm
Who is the Bucs’ all time leader in passing TD’s & yardage?”
Don’t worry. It won’t be too long before Jameis erases his name from EVERY SINGLE RECORD in the book. He will eventually only be remembered for failed drug tests, mental weakness, and being a NFL 1st rounder playing for Brooklyn’s “pro” team.
It’s clear that some people are only fans of singular players, not fans of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
January 8th, 2016 at 2:40 pm
Hawaiian buc
Supersam
Both of u guys were just all on Lovies d!ck last week if I recall right.WTF now ur on here saying that “he had to go”. Get the f#ck outta here. U hypocritical fools.
# McDermott
January 8th, 2016 at 2:47 pm
@HIRE JIMBO,
I think you should probably check the archives a little better. I did say he wouldn’t be fired, but that’s a far cry from me be a Lovie fan. I have been back and forth on him most of the year, but there are several things he’s done which I’ve never gotten over (getting rid of Revis is example #1). So next time you bring my name up, know what I said.
January 8th, 2016 at 2:54 pm
Impressive that Russell was leading a speech. We don’t see enough of him, IMO. He deserves the captaincy and deserves more snaps on offense.
January 8th, 2016 at 2:55 pm
I distinctly remember somebody saying that six wins would be enough to keep Lovie on another year… hmmmm, I didn’t say that. I am/was a Lovie supporter/apologist and my number was seven. It doesn’t surprise me he got fired, it doesn’t anger me either…but to compare Smith to Schiano and starting rookie QBs in Winston and Glennon… that’s reaching. BTW, stats can be skewed however you like them, but Lovie’s D finished 10th in the league… TENTH! That without a decent pass rush and a totally sucky secondary…yes, compiled by Lovie, but still, Koetter’s offense did very little to help out Lovie’s defense during the last 4 games of the year. The same D that finished 2nd in the NFL in yards allowed per rush (a very important stat) and top 10 in rushing yards allowed.
I’m fine with Lovie going, but I’m not fine with comparing an actual quality NFL head coach (Super Bowl appearance for Bears) to a guy a couple games over .500 in college and Winston to Glennon.
January 8th, 2016 at 2:59 pm
THANK YOU. You want to give Lovie a pass for the Tedford situation, the offensive coordinator who he hand picked?
Then you sure as hell better give Schiano a pass for the quarterback that he did not pick, who went off the rails and destroyed the 2013 season before it ever began.
January 8th, 2016 at 3:04 pm
There is a reason why this is a little corner of the world and backwood hicks are kept in the backwoods because they never survive in civilization. Schiano was going down. He allowed Michael Bennett to walk out of the door and thus far has killed the career of a black quarterback in favor of a white quarterback that should not be playing in the NFL. Talk about affirmative action. Lovie was on the way up. A talentless team with only a pretender as the leader now has a true leader and talent on the team that will be consider the best at their positions in time. Remember Lovie gave the owners two suggestions for the GM position and Licht was the chosen one. The linebacker Lovie chose is the best player on the defensive side of the football, and he was drafted in the forth round. Dominik and Schaino brought nothing to the team in the way of talent. Name all of the players they brought to the team except for Davis, none are good enough. As the true nature of racist blamed President Obama for the mess that dumb ass Bush made, blame Lovie for the that was created before him. I live in multi-cultured society, and the feedback I get, mostly from people that played football, is that the firing of Lovie is unethical. I am from Tampa; I know how you racist think.
January 8th, 2016 at 3:06 pm
Schiano was an over his head mediocre college coach from Rutgers… Lovie has put in the time in the NFL & earn the respect from NFL circles which is why people feel he deserved more time
January 8th, 2016 at 3:16 pm
Go get em Joe!
January 8th, 2016 at 3:39 pm
@loggendontosay,
I can’t stand Schiano (feel like I’ve said that a million times now), and I’ve never been so happy to see another man get fired as when he left. He was terrible as our coach in almost every way possible. I have no doubt he did some wrong by Freeman. But let’s not be delusional here, Freeman was never a franchise QB. If he let a little chump like Schiano bring him down, he was never going to make it. He has failed at every stop since Tampa, which tells you all you need to know. There is absolutely racism all over this world, but not an ounce of racism that I ever saw with Freeman. Freeman did it to himself, Schiano only escalated the situation. In that regard, he saved our franchise. You said he and Dominik brought no good players, I would actually disagree. They brought Lavonte, Revis, Martin, and Jackson. There are other players like Gholston that are quality players.
As for Lovie, you are a bit mistaken as to who picked Kwon, because by all accounts that is the job of the GM. Lovie had final say over the 53, but Licht did the drafting. Lovie did, however, get rid of 8 player that are starting for other teams. You read that right – 8!!!! That’s beyond crazy. More importantly, he replaced them with crap, crap, and more crap.
I can’t speak to everyone on this board, but I can promise you on my children that me thinking the firing of Lovie was justified has absolutely nothing to do with race. I wanted Lovie, and tried to support him, but he failed miserably. He brought in failed free agent after failed free agent, and got rid of players that “didn’t fit his scheme”. That’s on him 100%. He wasted money, and he never beat a good team. He won only 3 home games. We all wanted to believe he was building something special, but if you really are honest with yourself, none of us really believed it. We knew we were a pretender, even at 6-6. We would be a pretender next year, because you can bank on it that he was going to get rid of more players (Banks, Verner, Jackson, and maybe even Martin), and fill them with his guys (do you have any doubt Forte would have been the replacement for Martin?). It’s not about race, it’s about wins and losses. I’d hire a purple handicapped dog if she could get us to 10-6.
January 8th, 2016 at 4:04 pm
Lovie got what he deserved, plain and simple. His record speaks for itself. Rex Ryan went 8-8 his first season and he is on the bubble for next year, he needs to improve the record and make the play offs. Winning is everything in this league and all that matters.
January 8th, 2016 at 4:09 pm
Hawaiian Buc Says:
January 8th, 2016 at 3:39 pm
@loggendontosay,
I have no doubt he did some wrong by Freeman.
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Like what? Drafting Glennon? I still cannot see what Schiano did to Freeman besides that. And if Joshie Poo didn’t like that and totally destroyed his career, I guess the only way it’s Schiano’s fault is he should have known his incumbent QB was mentally weak and shouldn’t have done anything to hurt his feelings.
January 8th, 2016 at 4:18 pm
Both deserved to be fired. Schiano had no friends around the league, while Lovie is well respected. Schiano had a worse second year compared to first year. No one can excuse a declining program. If you really dont see the differences, then you haven’t been paying attention. Pay Attention Joe!
January 8th, 2016 at 4:34 pm
@bucrightoff,
I don’t think Schiano dealt with the situation properly. I have no issue with him drafting Glennon, but to give him first team reps was stupid, unless he planned to bench Freeman from the beginning. If that was the case, he should have gotten rid of Freeman and started Glennon and gave him all the reps. Once everything went down with Freeman, he created a circus by not just cutting him. There was zero chance for a trade, so just cut ties. Not allowing him on the field during a game was yet another blunder. As I said, Freeman was absolutely wrong, but Schiano screwed up too. They both deserved what they got.
January 8th, 2016 at 5:07 pm
Look Schiano was around Josh Freenan a lot more than most, so I’d wager he saw the off field issues in Josh’s personal life bleeding over into his job as a starting NFL QB. I’d also wager that Schiano wanted to move on from Freeman during training camp but met resistance from Dominick (who needed Josh to be the franchise QB to save his job) and posdibly the Glazers (they invested in Josh as the face of the franchise). The team captain ballot rigging was BS, the medical records leak is almost assuredly BS, the loss of the locker room is probably overblown as well. What did Schiano in was his Belichick-Esque treatment of the media, his p!ss poor attitude towards halftime adjustments (or lack of…how many games did he have a good game plan set up, the team got up on an opponent, and then the other team would adjust and come back to win the game?), and the fact he was tough on players in order to quickly weed out loafers and change the frat party culture Rah had left behind. I expect Schiano will be back in the NFL in a few years. His reputation took a big hit in Tampa since he has virtually no allies in the media like Lovie has, but he’ll claw his way back into a NFL DC gig if things go well at Ohio St for him.
January 8th, 2016 at 5:08 pm
Thats a lot of assumptions there. Maybe he knew Freeman had a problem and was trying to teach him a lesson? People were all for that this year but Schiano does it and “oh my god, how dare him be so cruel?”
January 8th, 2016 at 6:55 pm
@loggedon
That was the worst post I’ve read since all the arguing over the Fameis pick. Boy those days WERE loaded with racist posts…some didn’t even try to hide it they were proud of it….but..CMON MAN. This has NOTHING to do with race!!!
The Glazers hired Tony Dungy long before it was fashionable to give black coaches the chances they DESERVED.
I know how you racist think.
Now I do suspect you got that right. Because it takes one to know one. Your post was clearly racist.
Hawaiian said it best Loggedon…I say shame on you.
Here are some simple facts…IF you are going by simple production and performance metrics there is no argument…
Schiano deserved to be fired!
JFRO deserved to be fired!
Lovie deserve to be fired!
Even those of us who were comfortable buying the “continuity” and “fairness” arguments for keeping Lovie are acutely aware that he hasn’t done a good job…just like Schiano and just like JFRO
January 8th, 2016 at 10:24 pm
@Toesontheline!!
“…saw the off field issues in Josh’s personal life bleeding over into his job…”
What are you alluding to? Rumours?
Do you have any concrete proof?
Let’s see it in writing from you, please.
January 8th, 2016 at 10:49 pm
it is just like the wind or your make-believe god…
lmao
January 8th, 2016 at 11:01 pm
Yes lurker…God is fake. That’s why BILLIONS of people all around the globe pray to some form of God in one way or another. You’re the smart one and billions of people are the dumb ones..
January 9th, 2016 at 2:22 am
Has anyone read that article about Koetters on scout.com? About his past as a head coach at ASU? Good lord!
January 9th, 2016 at 2:37 am
“gods” have been used to explain many things that humans do not understand. “gods” have been used for war and pain for as long as they have “existed”. “gods” have been used to ease the pain of life and the nothingness of death.
funny how men of “god” do such bad things ans excuse bad things.