Enough With The “Continuity”
January 8th, 2016
No more weekly whining about takeaways.
OK, Joe’s about had his fill. There is still a drumbeat from Lovie Smith apologists, Lovie Smith sycophants and just standard droids who cannot think for themselves, who believe Team Glazer running off Lovie blows up “continuity.”
(Don’t get Joe started on “Lovie needed time” BS, which is the worst empty excuse Joe has ever heard. How come guys hired the same time as Lovie, like Jim Caldwell, Brother of Chucky, Bill O’Brien and Mike Zimmer, already have gotten their teams to the playoffs yet Lovie was mired in an 8-24 rut?)
Joe understands continuity is desirable, especially with America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston. But what about the continuity of sucking? Is that what people wanted, you apologists, you?
Giving Lovie another year to have such a putrid defense, how much deeper would that hole in the ground be for the Bucs to climb out of and try to fix?
As Jason Licht said yesterday, a team can build and improve and not get blasted week after week.
After 32 games — 32! — there was zero evidence Lovie was going to fix this defense much less develop a cornerback. So why do people think he would have fixed it with another year? What evidence was there he could improve it? Why not fix it in his first year, or even his second year? Why wait for the third?
Lovie had ample time to show he could fix his defense. He couldn’t. Quit embarrassing yourselves, you apologists, by saying the Bucs would have been better off with continuity of crappy defense, which is what would have happened with more Lovie.
January 8th, 2016 at 12:34 pm
All I know is I feel better Lovie is gone.
January 8th, 2016 at 12:39 pm
Finally some common sense around here.
January 8th, 2016 at 12:40 pm
I’ll be honest. I had accepted the fate that Lovie was going to coach next year, so I tried to justify it with many excuses. But truly, now that we’ve turned that page, I feel so much better about the future of the team.
January 8th, 2016 at 12:44 pm
Answer this Joe… In the last 10 years, find a truly successful team that didn’t give it’s staff at least 3-4 years. Find a team on its its 3rd coach in 4-5 years that isn’t picking in the top half of the draft regularly. The Bucs have been garbage since papa glazer has been out of the mix. The sons are inept. They are the one constant. Period.
January 8th, 2016 at 12:45 pm
AMEN!!! He should have gotten the boot after Game 1 this year. Unprepared and overwhelmed by what turned out to be the worst team in the league! In 2 seasons, I witnessed some of the worst Buccaneer beatings in team history. Remember Atlanta and Baltimore last year…the Washington collapse this year? Ugliest losses of an ugly history…
January 8th, 2016 at 12:48 pm
Why keep bad continuity hoping it gets better? That’s just moronic
January 8th, 2016 at 12:50 pm
Maybe now we’ll see some bump and run.
January 8th, 2016 at 12:51 pm
I hated the Dungy firing, Gruden too. I think the Glazers tried to make up for those mistakes and show some loyalty with the Raheem and Lovie hirings. They were not highly ranked Head Coaching candidates at the time…
January 8th, 2016 at 12:51 pm
Exactly!! We had continutiy. It came in the former of guaranteeing losing to rookie QB or a backup qb. It cam in the former of getting our doors blown off six or seven times a year. It came in the former of not wanting to put points on the board before halftime. It came in the former of being 0 for a whole bunch in free agency. Hell Joe could write an entire article just naming the continuity of colonoscopy we suffered week in and week out.
January 8th, 2016 at 12:52 pm
Joe anybody with an ounce of common sense will not argue on Lovie’s losing record and his defensive acumen it’s indefensible PERIOD but you can’t label all those who disagree with the lovie firing as apologist, sycophants, droids who cannot think for themselves there are legitimate concerns about the whole firing which should be a template on how not to do things.
Just on a human level you only have to look at Jason’s reaction when ever he mentions lovie’s name at the presser it could have been handled better that’s all. Which if am not mistaken to your credit you highlighted.
On a different note ironically Lovie is responsible for saving coaches jobs this season brother of Chucky, Chuck of Indy! and he wasn’t able to save his life’s a b!t(h.
January 8th, 2016 at 12:56 pm
Why in the world would anyone want to “continue” with Lovie Smith’s defense?
In the end, Koettor will get the HC job (let’s be realistic here), and “improving” offense should continue to improve.
January 8th, 2016 at 12:56 pm
What’s your point Tony? Yes, bad teams get new coaches – what a revelation. The Bucs are a bad team in need of a new coach. If they can actually get someone good, draft well, and build a team then they won’t switch coaches every few years. The Bucs have never had a true franchise QB, and now we have Jameis. Pair him with a competent coaching staff and there may be 10+ years of good times ahead. I’m so sick of all this Glazer bashing. We have a great stadium, and owners that have shown that they will keep paying and firing guys until they get the combination of players and coaches that brings success. How is that bad? They own the team, get over it.
January 8th, 2016 at 12:57 pm
Continuity is important for young players, especially quarterbacks, early in their careers. If Koetter is not retained, Mike Evans will be looking at his 3rd system in his 3 pro seasons and Jameis will already be on his 2nd system. That’s not a good start to their illustrious careers.
January 8th, 2016 at 12:58 pm
I was Blind but now I see
January 8th, 2016 at 12:58 pm
Tony, you got it backwards. Staffs that can be successful get 3 or more years. I couldn’t find a staff that sucked for 2 years, stayed on and then turned it around. It doesn’t happen.
January 8th, 2016 at 12:59 pm
Only continuity I want is “W’s.” And a middle finger to those who are still crying for garbage a$$ Lovie.
January 8th, 2016 at 12:59 pm
continuity only good if you are not continuing to underperform
January 8th, 2016 at 1:03 pm
Tired of our team being in Lovies favorite room THE BASEMENT…
My Vote is Dirk 🙂
January 8th, 2016 at 1:04 pm
Feel like as a fan I have been struggling to breathe under a wet blanket that was constantly getting heavier over time. That first year with all the blatant screw ups and eventual losses en route to 2-14 was miserable because almost no one would admit that everything we were witnessing was all wrong.
We can all breathe again and don’t have to have our judgement clouded by the false impression that surrounded the idea of Lovie Smith.
Good day to be a Bucs fan.
January 8th, 2016 at 1:06 pm
I defended Lovie and really thought he had us getting better.
Till those Saints, Rams, and Bears games.
Good football coaches win those. Those teams don’t have better personnel.
And had not much to play for. Can’t find an excuse for that.
The anti Lovie folks were right.
January 8th, 2016 at 1:06 pm
the glazer hate also cracks me up. i kinda get it, but coaching hires are sort of lottery tickets just like draft picks are. do you guys remember when the bidwills (AZ) were among the cheapest and most inept owners in the league? how about the Brown family for the Bengals? old tom benson’s reputation (NO) was total mud before Sean Payton + Drew Brees turned out to be the golden ticket and now the owner and the fans are revered for there role post-katrina (even thought they wanted to move next door to Texas pre-katrina)….jerry richardson was a hopeless and senile, and then voila! your half decade of picking at the top of drafts starts to yield fruit and suddenly the panthers are a model organization
finding the right group is hard, then suddenly through all the hiring and firing you stumble on the right combo of GM, coach, and Roster and suddenly you are “an exemplary owner”
January 8th, 2016 at 1:10 pm
Lovie left the building vanquishing the continuity of sucking out loud. Somehow the air seems clearer and the weight of continued losing not as seemingly oppressive as waiting on Lovie year three.
January 8th, 2016 at 1:10 pm
***BREAKING NEWS*** Jimbo Fisher is on the official list
January 8th, 2016 at 1:11 pm
Most of the “experts” who are upset at our situation are national reporters who have probably only seen us play once or twice. You can’t blame them, there’s no way you could expect them to watch every single game from every single team. It’s not like we are a huge draw on TV. So instead, they do all they can do, which is look at the improvement over the two years. They see we won 3 times the games as last year, and did it all with a rookie coach. They see statistically our defense is average, so they feel it was a bad move. On paper, this was a bad move. However, the game is not played on paper. This is why I generally hate stats. They don’t realize how many good players Lovie has gotten rid of, nor do they realize how many good players are not playing to their potential under Lovie. It is what it is. Unless the next coach comes in and wins quickly, we are going to be considered the Southern Cleveland Browns. We just have to own that until we get some better results. Most of us know the firing was justified, but until we start becoming a legit playoff contender, no one is going to like any move we make. As with anything, winning will fix everything. That’s what we have to do now. No more rebuilding, no more being patient, just win some damn football games.
January 8th, 2016 at 1:12 pm
Only issue I have with this is that a solid coaching candidate will never take this job.
Think about it like this. If your a contractor like they all are. Are you going to take a job knowing that your contract is likely not gonna be fulfilled, if you don’t come in right away and produce. Never mind the rest of your contract, your fired, here is some money now get lost.
The answer is always a NO. Some of you will say, for the money you would do anything. Or yeah if you don’t produce you should be fired. However that is exactly the point. No decent contractor is going to take that risk. Production and money are all dependent upon other people doing their jobs correctly as well.
The main reason is because it goes on your resume. If I know a job will can me because the results they are looking for are unrealistic and I likely wont be able to finish my contract. I aint taking it. Why not just sign coaches to 1 year deals or even two??? BECAUSE IT TAKES TIME…
WHEN IS THE LAST TIME A BUCS COACH FINISHED HIS CONTRACT???
Truth be told, the best thing that could of happened for EVERYONE, is to of let Lovie finish his contract. Regardless of what you think. A good product is delivered via good business practices.
I supported Lovie just like I have any coach or player while they have been on my team….. Now that he is gone I am free to say…. HE WAS SUCH A DISAPPOINTMENT OVER ALL…. However he was sound in his methods and processes. He created problems for himself but he also resolved some problems he inherited.
Bottom line…. I DONT CARE IF WE NEVER WIN A GAME WITH THE NEXT COACH….
Let him finish his contract so that the bigger fish start swimming around looking for that Super Bowl…
Pittsburgh (as well as a few others) will always have the pick of the litter for this reason alone….
STOP FIRING COACHES “TEAM GLAZER” just stop!!!!!!!! Sign them to a two year deal or something BUT STOP FIRING THEM…
January 8th, 2016 at 1:17 pm
I too, was resigned to the likelihood that Lovie was retained for another year….and the only justification would have been continuity or some wild hope that a strong draft & FA could fix the defense. I never thought Lovie would change…only the players.
Continuity is only good if it’s good continuity…..we need to have that with our offense going forward if possible….either Koetter as HC or Koetter remaining OC…
Imagine GMC…..will be 4 different coaches…..and some wonder why he sometimes shrugs his shoulders…
January 8th, 2016 at 1:17 pm
We just want more Kwon Alexander’s in the draft for the next new defense!
Let the new coach take us to 7-9 or 8-8 next year. At least we are heading in the right direction. We can’t expect more than that on a new coach/defense.
Can we?
Go Licht!!!
January 8th, 2016 at 1:22 pm
And if any of you JBF clones think that Joe is actually a football business man vs a news “business man”. Think again. He writes to stir the pot and generate traffic. He is a band wagoner thru and thru… In fact he drives the band wagon…. Talk about people not being able to think for themselves… Just come to JBF and read what people say about his articles… Only a handful of people actually have an opinion not completely influenced by JBF….
GREAT FOR JOE…. Thats why I come here… Reminds me of the early years of Jim Rome… Except all about Tampa…
For now on you are JBF Clones…. And you know who you are clones…
January 8th, 2016 at 1:24 pm
I for one am not accepting 8-8 or 7-9. Anything less than 9 wins is a complete failure. I’m tired of being patient. I’m not saying the coach should be fired, but I am done with “we are headed in the right direction”. I’ve been saying that for like 10 years, and it has led to nothing but disappointment. I want a division title next year, or at minimum a wild card. I don’t care if it’s reasonable or not. It’s unreasonable for us to have 5 consecutive years in last place.
January 8th, 2016 at 1:29 pm
what risk, Jab83? lovie smith makes $20 million over 4 years whether they fired him the day after he signed the contract or they extend\renew him. if your dream job was held by only 32 people in the world, and one of those jobs became available and you believe in your ability to do your job, i think you have a hard time turning it down just because your predecessors didn’t last long. you’d do your homework on why other guys got fired. most of the time it is either ego clashes, a talent void, or coach incompetence – based on the reason, you have to decide whether you are destined for the same fate or set up for a different outcome
January 8th, 2016 at 1:32 pm
Hey JOE…
Can you (or anyone) find the numbers concerning all teams and the number of coaches they have had. Separated by the ones they fired vs the ones they let walk or extended.
Just a “SWAG” but I am willing to bet teams that change up coaching often rarely sustain success… THAT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH CONTINUITY….. Good bad or indifferent.
A bad staff with poor production and continuity will out produce a great staff and zero continuity…
This is the answer to why players leave and suddenly appear so much better…
COM ON MAN…. Think for yourself and stop being a media drone and playing both sides… Oh wait, I forgot thats what media does now a days.
January 8th, 2016 at 1:40 pm
This is all true. I’m not sure why the Joe’s keep wanting to harp on Lovie anymore. He’s no longer with the team. It makes no sense that the Joe’s are giving the Glazers the pass yet again. Since the sons took over the team is 58-102 and all the while giving lip service to having a commitment to win.
You’re absolutely right. It should not be acceptable to Buccaneers fans for this team to take a step backwards.
January 8th, 2016 at 1:42 pm
Wow jab83, you have out-moroned the seriously moronic on here. Nice work.
January 8th, 2016 at 1:43 pm
Pick6, please re read what I said.
You actually make my point even better… And to be honest… I guess we can keep excepting the hire fire strategy… Hey it may work some day… My question is this… How will you ever know what I guy can do if the time frame your asking him to do it in is unrealistic???
This is why they sign contracts… SO to pay a guy his money before he is done and tell him to kick rocks is just SOFA KING WE TAUGHT IT…
Let them finish what you paid them to do… If you don’t like it when they are done…. Hire someone else to come fix it…. THAT IS HOW IT IS DONE IN THE REAL WORLD…
January 8th, 2016 at 1:49 pm
Facepalm… Thank you for proving my other point JBF CLONE… Think for yourself Clone…
Nothing I said is moronic except to a moron…
Everything I said is validated via successful business models… The only problem/difference is “Team Glazer” is a insurance model not a NFL model… You cant keep dumping people just because they are behind on there contract…
January 8th, 2016 at 2:01 pm
the coach is either the guy in charge with all of the trust and confidence of the owners and players or he is not. there is a word for somebody who is not “the guy” but still has the job – Lame Duck. and Lame Ducks field lame teams. NFL windows are too small these days to just give a guy a year to see what happens. that’s a year of Gerald McCoy’s shortening career, a year of young players up to their armpits in inadequate coaching. When you feel in your heart it’s not leading to winning you have to make the move.
to let a guy run out his contract just for “good business practices” when he is not making the team better is not good business, it is sabotaging your on-field product for what looks like economic reasons. and for a guy like me who spends over $10,000 a year for a block of season tickets, it is just insulting.
forget about wins, 2 years is more than enough time for a team to show that it listens to its coach and the coach is getting acceptable results out of the players he has. this team showed the opposite of that in the biggest moments. season opener, fresh start? let’s act like we’ve never seen a quick pass before on defense. finally relevant again at 6-6 in december? let’s let drew brees walk down the field for 2 TD drives. oh and while we do all of that, let’s lead the league in penalties…while our veteran players lead our team in getting them.
January 8th, 2016 at 2:07 pm
JAB83, you are mistaking causation and correlation. good coaching staffs are not necessarily good because they got time to work through stuff, they usually get time because they are accomplishing good things. to prove your argument you would need to cite several teams who backed a coach that won less than a quarter of games in his first 2 years before morphing into a consistent winner
the only teams i can think of with what is today considered a “good coach” that got more time than the average fan felt they deserved is Cincy and possibly Carolina, although in the latter case the team made a huge leap in Rivera’s first year before a rough stretch that gave way to this juggernaut. in both those cases, at least you were talking about first time head coaches who were learning the job early on
January 8th, 2016 at 2:08 pm
Well lovie inherited 5 years of crap usually 5 years of crap takes 5 years to build. Of course the defense sucked because lovie went out to improve the offense. And if lovie would have improved the defense the offense would have sucked and everyone would still be whining and complaining, the bucs will do good next year because of lovie and after this new coach starts cutting players the will be relevantly sucking there after.
January 8th, 2016 at 2:10 pm
I wonder if both Joes agree on this point?
I say this…IF Jason Licht had as much roster control as people claim…IF he gets credit for the drafts…then Lovie was short-changed. He was never given the ability to build a fresh, young defense.
People can talk about free agency all they want…but it still consists of mostly aging, injury prone veterans who are on their way out of the league. IF Jason Licht insisted Lovie build his defense thru free agency…Jason Licht who controls the scouting department…then he pointed Lovie in wrong directions (outside of maybe two FAs).
The man got a bum deal. Period.
Personally, I believe he had a bigger hand in the drafts than he is given credit for. I think Jason Licht was brought in to be a “yes man” and he undermined Lovie at every turn when it came to roster…so that he could gain more control himself.
I don’t expect anyone to agree with me…but those are my takes.
January 8th, 2016 at 2:12 pm
I think I just came to the realization that Bucs fans (and writers) are happiest in that interlude between firing the last coach and hiring the next one. Guess it gives us all something to be optimistic about for a change … until the next coach is actually hired of course. Then after a brief honeymoon the majority seem to want a divorce.
January 8th, 2016 at 2:13 pm
Pick6 Says
“…they usually get time because they are accomplishing good things.”
As in building a top offense, even though your specialty is defense? Give Koetter some credit, sure, but he wasn’t here in year one, when Lovie drafted half the offense Koetter has succeeded with.
January 8th, 2016 at 2:21 pm
BB, we as fans don’t know who is responsible for which improvements – including who pushed for the Koetter hire and who evaluated\recommended all that offensive talent. BUT who is gone and who is still there at One Buc certainly tells you who the owners attributed those successes to. based on lovie’s history it would be a completely new thing for him to be an effective picker of offensive coaches and offensive talent.
January 8th, 2016 at 2:42 pm
Frankly, I don’t know how the Glazers didn’t fire Lovie after year one, let alone after the first game this season. He was an unmitigated disaster. No justification whatsoever to give him another year. Hopefully, they got lucky with Licht and he hires the right head coach. I’m not convinced of either.
January 8th, 2016 at 3:01 pm
I just wished the defense was showing signs of getting better. It seemed to me that Lovie had no flexibility with his scheme, instead bringing in players who were familiar with it, without considering their talents.
His biggest problem was trying to fit people into his system instead of fitting his system around the talents of the personnel. It seemed every gameday featured at least one former Buccaneer being doing just fine and dandy elsewhere. Like, even if it was a fluke, Kaelin Clay’s PR TD for the Ravens, while we got Bobby Rainey struggling to hold on to balls since he’s been here!
Well, if it goes worse next season, maybe, just maybe the Glazer boys will look in the mirror and think “maybe it’s us?”
January 8th, 2016 at 3:13 pm
Continuity is great when the team is heading in the right direction. If that’s not the case, who wants to “continue” to keep losing games? Glazers did the right thing. Lovie’s firing was an easy call.
January 8th, 2016 at 3:23 pm
I just don’t believe that the cover 2 can be your “base” defense in today’s game. Every team would love to be able to sit back and play cover 2 all game. But you can’t run this defense without being able to rush the passer…
So you then need to blitz and cover which leads to your corners getting beat in man to man coverage – but cover 2 usually uses zone corners that can cover in space and support the run off of the edge.
Can we get that pass rush via the 9th pick or free agency? Do you trust Lovie to be able to get this done in year 3? If not, the defense looks the same next year…
I get the feeling that Lovie had his end of year talk with the Glaziers and he communicated that “it’s a process, no changes are needed, just need to keep hedging forward. When they heard this…they talked privately (remembered the same jargon repeated every year by T. Dungy) and decided it’s time to cut bait we’ve been in this movie before…
January 8th, 2016 at 3:27 pm
“BuccaneerBonzai Says:
January 8th, 2016 at 2:10 pm
I say this…IF Jason Licht had as much roster control as people claim”
Dude. How many times does it take?
January 8th, 2016 at 3:36 pm
I wouldnt trust love to be the 2016 cornerbacks coach, no way in hell ide trust him to run the whole Goddarn team.
Unbelievable
January 8th, 2016 at 4:00 pm
Joe says, Lovie had ample time to fix the Defense..2yrs. man what a croc. As lovie’s successor will find out, A good defense takes a lot of time. But enough of this. Those feeling elated at Lovie’s firing are enjoying it immensely..until next season when the..losing starts again. I can’t wait…..
January 8th, 2016 at 4:09 pm
@Mike Johnson,
First of all, if you “can’t wait” to see us lose, then you aren’t a Bucs fan. So why are you here? Second, a good defense can be built in two years. Not a great one, but a good one. Lovie hand picked almost the entire defense, and got rid of one of the best CB’s in the game and filled it with 3 scrubs. Go ahead and defend that. I’ll wait. He then went out and got more scrub free agents to cover up that mistake. He got rid of both safeties for a bunch of safeties that can’t play (I was all for getting rid of Barron, but I was wrong. Good thing I’m not the coach or GM). Our defense was worse under Lovie than it was under Schiano (I hate typing that). For an alleged defensive guru, that’s unacceptable. Spin it however you want, it is.
January 8th, 2016 at 7:15 pm
@tnew
I love honest posters!
I’ll be honest. I had accepted the fate that Lovie was going to coach next year, so I tried to justify it with many excuses. But truly, now that we’ve turned that page, I feel so much better about the future of the team.
I think that’s true for many of us. Good on you for admitting it!!! Don’t know that it’s enough to keep lurker from giving us the “middle finger” anyway or stop some of the others from calling us Lovie’s sheep.
As for the Glazer hate and continuity. First Glazer hate is most directed at their business practices which have crushed the Bucs for a decade but made their entire extended family wealthy beyond imagination from that Man U deal.
IE What they did sucked for the Bucs but made sense for them.
As for continuity…this is not a place to hate the Glazers…the ONLY questionable fire they’ve ever had was Tony Dungy. He had the team on the cusp but couldn’t seem to get over the hump. Vaild reason..yeah I guess but pretty thin when a coach has turned around a horrible losing franchise into a highly competive one.
Having said that…Dungy got six years and Gruden got 7. That’s not being quick to cut bait. Again remember that Gruden had a losing record with the Bucs after the Super Bowl…but we can blame some of that on the Glazers budget.
Continuity is important. I’m not as worried about #3…he’s really smart, incredibly motivated..it’s the freaking REST of the team. They need some continuity. If it’s Koetter we’ll have it…anybody else….blow it up and start all over again.
January 8th, 2016 at 7:29 pm
good news spbf…
i only have 2 middle fingers!
lol
January 8th, 2016 at 7:40 pm
@lurker
LMAO…you’re going to be in a jam then because there are a lot more than tnew and me who felt like that.
I can remember OneLove posting last night as a Lovie Lover.
Virtually all of the rest of the support from people like me tnew and hundreds of others was that the continuity argument is valid and the fairness argument as well. I also concede that many…still..would argue that ok he failed miserably with the Bucs that doesn’t make him a horrible coach.
Which coach hasn’t failed with the Bucs? Chucky? He got the SB bless him for that but he too had a losing record after that with an 11 win season tossed in to keep our hopes up.
Sam Wyche…Tony Dungy…Jon Gruden…Lovie Smith all reached the SB. ALL were considered good to excellent coaches at different points in their careers.
They did not suckk. I would have been far more receptive to the Lovie haters if instead of vitriol, invective and hypebole they made rational points….EG Someone could fairly suggest that OK…maybe Lovie had success in Chicago but he’s over the hill, old ideas and the year in the basement wrecked him.
January 8th, 2016 at 7:45 pm
poor game management, stubbornness, poor personnel decisions…similar things that bears fans said when we hired him. also, poor team discipline and defense.
there are other articles posted above that shed more light.
also, wonder if he was asked to make changes, whether to staff or players, and/or give up some control and he refused.
January 8th, 2016 at 9:05 pm
What’s up w/ the site Joe?
“54 Responses to “Enough With The “Continuity””
I see 4 responses. 1st one starting at 7:15 by SPBF
Have seen this occur on a few other threads as well lately.
January 8th, 2016 at 9:09 pm
Pickgrin
Agree with your observation and it seems like the cache for comments or whatever can only hold 50 comments at a time?
January 8th, 2016 at 9:42 pm
I’m seeing a high total of comments listed but way less actual comments showing.
January 8th, 2016 at 9:48 pm
Must be the Pepsi syndrome.
January 9th, 2016 at 7:56 am
there really was no continuity on defense,revolving door at DE,Corner and
Safety.Glazers had to stop the bleeding. LOvie wasted in excess of 40 million
for the likes of Michael Johnson,George Johnson,Mike Jenkins,Tim Jennings,Anthony Collins,and Major Wright.
January 9th, 2016 at 10:28 pm
Put continuity on one side of a scale and then put all of Lovie’s BS on the other, then you come to one conclusion. He needed to be let go in 2014 let alone after the 2015 season.