End The Glennon Nonsense Now
January 29th, 2016
A fresh endorsement emerges.
Joe’s not about to let up on the sheer silliness of keeping Mike Glennon on the Bucs’ roster when he could fetch a valuable draft pick.
Joe believes in general manager Jason Licht, architect of the grand slam. Joe believes Licht would know exactly how to use, say, a third-round pick.
But it seems Joe won’t get his wish. PewterReport.com quotes Licht saying this week that Glennon is off limits to other teams, despite the just one season left on Glennon’s contract.
“Mike Glennon is just so valuable to us right now while we have him, while he’s under contract, I feel like we have two starting quarterbacks with him and Jameis,” Licht said. “If you just go out and get a mid-round pick for him, the chances of the mid-round pick working out or drafting a quarterback and that pick working out, the odds aren’t in your favor. Unless there’s [an offer] that blows us away, I think you lean towards keeping him and having him on your roster.”
Look, if your backup QB plays significant time, then you’re going to lose a lot of games, or the backup will break down. It’s just that simple. Just look at the record of backups in 2015.
If your backup can fetch a decent draft pick, then you take the deal and dance all night long.
The Bucs are not a Super Bowl team. They weren’t last year, when Glennon should have been traded, and they won’t be in 2016, Glennon’s likely final season with the Bucs.
If Glennon is so valuable to Licht, then Licht really make a serious deal to Glennon to be the “career backup” to America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston. Wave $10 million at Glennon over four years and see what happens. If he’s signed, and he’s so good, then he’ll be even more tradeable.
January 29th, 2016 at 9:48 am
If McClown can get 5 million a year, surely Glennon can get that on the open market. Joe you know 2.5 million a year won’t cut it…
January 29th, 2016 at 9:51 am
It sounds like making Glennon an offer may be coming but it is puzzling to me why we kept Griffin on the active squad instead of simply having a practice squad QB…..perhaps we intend to trade him. He took up a roster spot all season for no really good reason.
Licht isn’t a fool……there is something up his sleeve.
January 29th, 2016 at 9:54 am
sure seems the Griffin thing was a move to have a backup in place…first decent offer for Glennon and he’s gone!
January 29th, 2016 at 9:54 am
I bet the Cowboys would have liked to have had a good back up last season.
Glennon is an insurance policy, and you have to pay for insurance. You don’t them for free.
What’s the best pick you could land for him? A third? Only if the GM of that team is stoned. Ain’t happening!
And so you trade him for a fourth (or likely worse) draft pick that in all likelihood won’t be on the roster in two years. And for what?
Keep him around. He’s cheap and would suffice for three or four games in case of emergency.
Now, if they can land a second round then you do the deal. Not likely.
January 29th, 2016 at 9:55 am
Wait. Is Joe actually disagreeing with something Jason Licht says?????
(I feel feint)
Seriously though…I agree we should trade him…but for a second rounder. Think we won’t get it? IF teams believe we won’t let him go for less, and they need him bad enough…we might.
Licht is a schemer, as we witnessed in his overthrowing of Lovie. He’s probably establishing a need to receive serious offers.
Remember…the overall opinion on QBs in the draft this year is that none are NFL ready…or will be this year. While I’m sure this opinion will change before the draft because of hype, teams might actually rather take a chance on sacrificing a 2nd rounder for Glennon.
And why not? The whole league thinks he’s starting caliber. He’s shown enough to convince some people that he would be more worth the risk than spending a first rounder on second round talent in the draft.
January 29th, 2016 at 10:01 am
Glennon will get a lot more than $2.5M on the open market, probably in the $8-10M per season range on a 2 or 3 year deal. If he can prove himself on that contract, he would put himself in the $15-18M per season range. Kirk freaking Cousins is about to get $17M a season and Glennon is a better QB than Cousins…
January 29th, 2016 at 10:12 am
“Unless you have an offer that just blows you away”.
The bait is in the water.
Kinda translates to a late second rounder and maybe a fifth to trade up with. After last years haul, I’ll just sit back an trust Licht.
January 29th, 2016 at 10:15 am
I think if there was a good offer for Glennon, they would take it. But it seems there hasnt been because he still here. And thats fine. Glennon is a good back up, keep the good back up until a good offer comes through, dont just trade him for a sixth. I rather have Glennon than a sixth. So basically, im fine with trading him, but not for nothing.
Glennon has showed some good things and if he lamds with a good coach in a good system, he can be pretty darn good.
January 29th, 2016 at 10:18 am
Glennon wants to be given the chance to be a starter won’t get that here. He will be gone after next year as a free agent. However, we will have a good back up at a cheap price for one more year and a compulsory pick after he leaves. I say we keep him unless someone offers a 2nd round pick.
January 29th, 2016 at 10:19 am
Kudos to Licht for keeping Glennon as a backup in case Winston goes down. I’m fine with that.
January 29th, 2016 at 10:27 am
Licht would love nothing more han to trade glennon for a 3rd round pick. The problem is that nonone is offering a 3rd. My guess is the calls he is receiving are only offering a 6th or 7th. Look at the history of player trades. Even top level talent like branden marshall went for the equivalent of a 6th round pick. And he is a premier pass catcher! Do you really think a back up qb is going to fetch a 3rd rounder?
i do think glennon is probably one of the better back ups in the league. (That’s not saying much though.) So we might as well keep him and pay him his peanuts, he is a team guy and probably a good influence on winston.
Lets not forget joe, regardless if winston gets hurt or not, the GM and coaches are expected to win. We can’t just fold up shop if winston goes down mid season. We still have to win games. Remember the season peyton manning was hurt? It just so happened the coaches were fired after that year because they couldnt win without their Qb. It would be wise for licht to have a back up plan if winston goes down. Thinking otherwise is foolish.
January 29th, 2016 at 10:29 am
Of course he’s going to say all of this stuff. If other teams think Glennon is off limits it doesn’t mean they won’t try to make a deal, it just means they know they have to come to the table with a better offer.
This is just Jason Licht being smart. Glennon won’t be on this team opening day 2016.
January 29th, 2016 at 10:32 am
Hey bonzai, if the bucs never thought that glennon was starting caliber, why would any other team? The team that has been close to him and seen him work every day didnt think he was good enough to even compete with McCown… Buc fans overrate glennon. He isnt good enough to be a starter, but he can be a solid back up. The only good thing about glennons game is that he protects the football pretty well. and that is a great attribute of a back up qb.
January 29th, 2016 at 10:42 am
d-money Says:
January 29th, 2016 at 10:29 am
Of course he’s going to say all of this stuff. If other teams think Glennon is off limits it doesn’t mean they won’t try to make a deal, it just means they know they have to come to the table with a better offer.
This is just Jason Licht being smart. Glennon won’t be on this team opening day 2016.
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This. Licht is posturing. Teams will have to give something valuable up to get Glennon.
January 29th, 2016 at 10:47 am
I’m with licht on this one. A bird in the hand ….
January 29th, 2016 at 10:53 am
Anything that could add picks or position in this draft I’m in favor for. There are significant values at the end of the first throughout the second and third in this draft. I believe we sit in no mans land at 9. With this draft class I believe this is gonna be one of the craziest first rounds in a long time.
January 29th, 2016 at 10:55 am
Troy Aikman has said that if the Cowboys do not see a potential franchise QB in the first round that they will sign either Johnny Manziel or RGIII to backup Romo.
This is another place where Lovie hosed us. NOBODY here knows how good MG8 might be because he’s never had a decent chance.
I’m not suggesting that he’s in #3’s class…but he can spin the ball..he’s very smart..and coachable. I think he’s a tweener…almost starting quality but certainly a worthwhile backup.
If Koetter has seen something in MG8 and shared it with Licht keeping him is actually a no brainer. A quality backup for 675,000 is unheard of!!!
He’s worth MORE than a 3rd round pick…perhaps if the team offering it is the Browns where their third will look like a late 2nd…maybe…perhaps putting him as part of a package to really move up…ok…but give him away for a 3rd rounder? Nah. I think Koetter has seen more in MG8 than we Buc fans.
One thing none of you have considered is that Koetter has worked with Glennon for a year. Glennon had some of the same assets as Matty Ice. Remember MG8 beat Pittsburgh on the road…had the Seahawks whippled in Seattle until genius Schiano turned it totally over to his defense..and MG8 should also have a win over the Saints in N.O. if it wasn’t again a collapsing D.
January 29th, 2016 at 10:55 am
“Glennon will get a lot more than $2.5M on the open market, probably in the $8-10M per season range on a 2 or 3 year deal” —
It’s $2.5 M as a backup. As a stater, of course it would be more.
“i do think glennon is probably one of the better back ups in the league.”
That’s the kicker – many think he’s not only the best backup , but a reasonable choice for starting.
January 29th, 2016 at 10:57 am
BTW I do not see Joe’s Super Bowl or bust mentality.
We have to walk before we can run. #3 plays the game with reckless abandon.
What if he goes down for 4 games and MG8 can save two of them.
#3 wins 7 of the remaining 12 and we sneak into the playoffs at 9-7.
9-7 next year in the division with Carolina would look pretty darn good!!!
January 29th, 2016 at 11:01 am
Let me see now. Joe and all of us have said the 2014 0-line was s!hit and protected nobody. Both Glennon and McClown took a beating behind that line. So enter 2015. Bring in a better line and better protection WITH an OC and Glennon does not get to play. But people are going to say what he could have done last season? Yes we know what Jameis did. But will never know what might have been. So stop with the BS that he could only have been a backup. Lovie SAID Glennon was the QB of the future. The pressure to draft Winston came from somewhere else!
January 29th, 2016 at 11:01 am
Disagree.
The team has deep pockets right now and a quality backup QB is just plain smart. We’ll see which side of the argument Koetter comes out on.
Glennon represents quality depth at QB (the most important position on the roster).
January 29th, 2016 at 11:02 am
Joe just hates Glennon because he’s a racist.
January 29th, 2016 at 11:26 am
Trade Glennon to switch positions with the cowgirls and draft Ramsey.
January 29th, 2016 at 11:33 am
BucFan20 Says:
January 29th, 2016 at 11:01 am
Let me see now. Joe and all of us have said the 2014 0-line was s!hit and protected nobody. Both Glennon and McClown took a beating behind that line. So enter 2015. Bring in a better line and better protection WITH an OC and Glennon does not get to play. But people are going to say what he could have done last season? Yes we know what Jameis did. But will never know what might have been. So stop with the BS that he could only have been a backup. Lovie SAID Glennon was the QB of the future. The pressure to draft Winston came from somewhere else!
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Winston took a beating too last season! He didnt take as many sacks, but thats because he has really good pocket awareness. He was usually able to recognize the pressure and get the ball out. Glennon would fall over if he saw pressure coming. The competitive drive in winston is what makes him better than glennon.
January 29th, 2016 at 11:34 am
Let Licht build the team as he wants . I don’t agree with your ridiculous philosophy on this one Joe. Look no further than the Broncos. Having a good back up vs just a clipboard carrier is smart for any team.
January 29th, 2016 at 11:36 am
Someone else brought uo a good point. Joe is assuming if winston gets hur, he would miss the rest of the year. But what if he only misses a few games? Critical games in a playoff run? Would be nice to have someone who can keep the ship above water until winston is healthy. Just sayin.
January 29th, 2016 at 11:41 am
If Glennon walks in free agency and becomes some team’s starter, the bucs will get a 3rd round pick down the line. if somebody can do a 3rd or better today, that’s one thing, but teams have to realize we do get draft compensation for letting him play out his contract and move on as well, and bid accordingly
January 29th, 2016 at 11:42 am
@Joe
Before you get your yearly campaign to run MG8 out of town, Maybe you should ask Dirk Koetter and Mike Bajakian, what kind of influence MG8 is to JW3!!! you might be surprised at the answers when it comes to film breakdown and game prep he is!!!!
January 29th, 2016 at 12:02 pm
Joe’s ongoing argument as to why Glennon should be traded actually is just as good a reason that he should be kept. The fact that teams who lose their starting QB go in the tank is because they don’t have a good backup. This is precisely why Glennon should be kept. It’s hard to find good backups. If Jameis goes down, they still can win games with Glennon, and winning is expected this year. If Ryan Griffin is having a good camp and seems ready for the backup job, then I could see Glennon being moved.
January 29th, 2016 at 12:05 pm
Little bias Truefan?
So Of course he took hits . All do. And Glennon did not just fall over. Your silly statement shows you have no idea how much better the line was this year. And I am sure just because Winston is out spoken does not mean Glennon does not have a competitive drive.
January 29th, 2016 at 12:07 pm
[Please stick with your original username. — Joe]
So would it be possible to package Glennon and our 1st round pick for Dallas’ first round pick straight up? I’m asking because I’d love to see us get Jalen Ramsey but he wont be around at 9. The Boys get a young quality backup and the Bucs get the stud DB who can cover tackle and blitz. Not to mention bringing more of the Winston’s FSU cohorts to town.
January 29th, 2016 at 12:09 pm
9-3 headed to the playoffs and Winston gets hurt I know who I want back there.
And also let us not forget. Our hesd coach said he saw a lot of Matty Ice in Glennon. Well now he has had him as OC in practice for a year. And is now the HC. So I think he will have so imput.
January 29th, 2016 at 12:27 pm
Posted previously, so please IGNORE:
• tickrdr Says:
January 25th, 2016 at 12:36 pm
I must admit that Jameis had a very nice year STATISTICALLY, which compares very favorably to some other rookie years in the NFL.
For instance:
JW3 in his first 16 games had 4042 yds with 22 TDs and 15 INTs.
MG8 in his first 16 games had 3594 yds with 26 TDs and 12 INTs.
MG8 in his first 18 games plus one qtr vs. ATL has 29 TDs and 15 INTs.
Completion percentage the same: JW = 58.3 MG = 58.8
One more win for Winston so far, has two games next year to add to this.
You can all decide who had the better supporting cast, opportunities,coaching etc.
One other little known fact:
JW3 completed 89 of 312 (28.5%) passes to his running backs for 861 yds.
MG8 (2013) completed 76 of 247 (30.5%) to running backs for 383 yds.
Again you can all decide who had the better running game and receivers etc.
tickrdr (last remaining member of the MGM)
January 29th, 2016 at 12:27 pm
3+ years and going strong with the trading Glennon nonsense. LMAO. Keep it up Joe. Gotta have a dream no matter how “silly” it is. Glennon is going nowhere. Repeat it all that you want but he’s not going anywhere. He’s worth more to us than the value we’d get for him in a trade.
January 29th, 2016 at 12:36 pm
Tickrdr
That’s a LIE!
You are not the last … I guess “captain checkdown” wasn’t exactly a check down only guy. No way I’m trading MG8 unless they make us an offer we can’t refuse.
I think we are strongly underestimating JW ability to toke the rock. Wasn’t Cunningham his idol? He isn’t a pretty runner but he sure is effective.
January 29th, 2016 at 12:40 pm
Only Dirk Koetter and Mike Bajakian know if Glennon is worth keeping.
I think the Glazers are expecting 9 wins or more. Koetter will create that mentality on our team. If Winston goes down, Glennon might save the day.
Nobody really knows how well as Glennon grasp this offense. I remember people comparing him to Matt Ryan. If he is 1/2 of Matt Ryan we should keep him until a good offer comes along. IMHO
January 29th, 2016 at 12:42 pm
I am amazed there are actually football fans walking around thinking it is a great idea to not have a good back-up qb. I am even more amazed that there are actual football fans that would trade a proven back-up QB for an unproven 4 round pick or less. This is mind boggling. This is from the school of the Cleveland Browns philosophy. Thank God none of you who feel this way are a GM.
January 29th, 2016 at 12:43 pm
SPBF
We have to walk before we can run. #3 plays the game with reckless abandon.
What if he goes down for 4 games and MG8 can save two of them
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Everyone is quick to point out mccoys injuries but no one mentions the fact that Jameis played with a messed up ankle all season. He never mentioned it but every time he got up off the ground you can see him limp.
Dude is so tuff he once died and walked it off.
January 29th, 2016 at 12:57 pm
You guys are crazy.
Of all years to trade Glennon, THIS is the year. Next year, we will lose him and get NOTHING.
Someone mentioned a compensatory pick, but that pick wouldn’t be awarded until the 2017 season. How high do you think that pick will actually be for him anyways? The HIGHEST that selection could be is an end of the 3rd round pick.
Compensatory Picks – Wikipedia
I, personally, would rather have a 4th round pick THIS YEAR than a(n at best) 3rd round pick next year.
Granted, it appears that compensatory picks will be tradable starting in 2017.
January 29th, 2016 at 12:58 pm
@Tiny Tim
The best option is to trade Glennon for your hypothetical unproven 4th round pick and sign a veteran QB.
January 29th, 2016 at 1:02 pm
yes lets sign another McCown. Thats a great option. Cuz there are so many veterean QBs that are just as good as Glennon. LMAO. The sillyness is laughable sometimes. We all cry about not having depth but are so willing to just give away the little bit of depth we do have. Unbelieveable. It doesnt matter what we think anyways, Glennon is going nowhere just like the last 3 off seasons. Wish all you want.
January 29th, 2016 at 1:08 pm
If we can get a 2nd rder for Glennon then drop him like a bad habit. Its just business..right? If not keep him and continue his development under Koetter. one never knows in this NFL. Jameis is only one nasty/brutal hit away from being carted off the field for the year.And you’d better have somebody at the helm who knows what they are doing. I suspect though, teams will try to give us a 3rd rder for him.
January 29th, 2016 at 1:09 pm
For as much hype as Ryan Griffen has gotten, he is no reliable #2. Glennon is a quality backup and is needed on the depth chart until we draft or sign another QB. Think the steelers would’ve wanted someone other than Vick/Laundry when Big Ben went down?
January 29th, 2016 at 1:09 pm
I think Litch is talking Glennon up to get a better deal potentially. The Cowboys should be interested
January 29th, 2016 at 1:10 pm
Pick6 Says
If Glennon walks in free agency and becomes some team’s starter, the bucs will get a 3rd round pick down the line. if somebody can do a 3rd or better today, that’s one thing, but teams have to realize we do get draft compensation for letting him play out his contract and move on as well, and bid accordingly”
DING!!!!!!!!
And that is why Jason Licht better not take less than a 2nd for Glennon.
I bet most people here missed your point. You may have to explain it.
January 29th, 2016 at 1:13 pm
My personal evaluation of Mike Glennon is he is a 100% pocket passer. No mobility at all. A statue.
Dirk my be able to coach some pocket presence into him…at least get him mobile in the pocket.
But Pick6 hit the nail on the head. Either get a 2nd or better, or let him walk next year. If we lose him to free agency, the league awards us a 3rd rounder anyway.
January 29th, 2016 at 1:13 pm
Celly,
It depends on if you believe MG8 is actually a decent backup. Those of us advocating hanging on to him simply see value. Top round draft picks have about a 50-50 chance of working out. Why take a 50-50 shot at a player who might work out…and to trade for anything lower would be foolish.
Unless Ryan Griffin showed the Bucs a LOT last year MG8 has more value to us backing up #3 for 675,000.
I just checked the NFL backup salaries. Matt Hasselback is the only backup I liked and he gets 3.625 million…3 MILLION more than MG8…and because of his experience he’s worth it…but wow some of the others..
Matt Moore 4 million…Chase Daniel 3 million…Ryan FitzPatrick 3.25 Million.
I just think some insurance for #3 for this year is worth a 3rd round pick.
Now some NFL experts believe Glennon will have great trade value THIS year even though this board pooh poohs that. A team trading for MG8 has the chance to audition him for a year at 675,000 and then pay him if he works out.
It’s the best of all worlds for a team like Cleveland…perhaps Dallas as a backup although Aikman says RGIII or Johnny Football is the next Romo backup.
@DB55 Yep no doubt about #3’s toughness…heck he even gets out front and throws real blocks…doesn’t just get in the way…he actually tries to block!!!
But that’s all the more reason to keep MG8 or some good insurance policy. I don’t want to curtail #3’s crazy passion to do whatever it takes to win…but he is putting his body at risk.
January 29th, 2016 at 1:16 pm
RGIII or Johnny Football to Dallas is mostly hype.
The truth is, that offense is built for a pocket passer, and neither one of them is that.
January 29th, 2016 at 1:16 pm
celly Says:
January 29th, 2016 at 12:58 pm
@Tiny Tim
The best option is to trade Glennon for your hypothetical unproven 4th round pick and sign a veteran QB.
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@ Celly
You mean a veteran like Mark Sanchez? What about the greatness of Matt Cassel?? I get it, we can sign the ever popular Drew Stanton. What was I thinking thinking it would be best to keep Glennon? Obviously all those guys are clearly better back-ups….Not. You can keep your unproven 4th rounder or less and your never was veteran qbs. Get a clue.
January 29th, 2016 at 1:39 pm
Just to be clear….chanepic isnt me. Ive NEVER posted here under another name….you Joes should know that just by seeing IP’s.
But with that out of the way, Im 100% agreeing with him….heck, Im the first to even state that lol.
January 29th, 2016 at 1:50 pm
A telling quote from our GM Jason Licht
“I would hate to be in a position where your quarterback goes down for however many games it is and then you’re basically throwing the towel in, like a lot of teams did this year,” Licht said. “It wasn’t because they wanted to throw in the towel, that’s just the way it happened, without naming teams. Those were the same teams, a lot of them, that were inquiring about Mike Glennon at the time.”
January 29th, 2016 at 1:52 pm
Glennon is a good QB and if Jamies goes down (God Forbid ) then we will be glad he is under center with a decent team for once he could win us some games if need be but I’m fine Very fine with Jamies as our Franchise QB he is Americas QuarterBack but like ol dude said ^ there good insurance guy keep him this year and let him walk in FA next year or sign him gotta see how that plays out .
January 29th, 2016 at 1:54 pm
@ Joe
If you can see that people are posting under different names, why can’t you see when the fake Tiny Tim post and block his account? It should not be that difficult. You have my email etc and IP information. Just doesn’t make sense for this to keep happening.
January 29th, 2016 at 1:55 pm
Why trade? Because we have many needs, especially on D. Plus Im part of the original MG8 mob. So guess what? I’d like to see him play to his full potential as a starter somewhere! Yes we need a quality backup, but we also have many other needs. We can always draft someone as a backup….I like Vernon Adams, he kicked a$$ in the east west game and can probably be had with a 5th rounder. Could be a change of pace QB too.
January 29th, 2016 at 2:13 pm
BTW…
All of the post by Tiny Tim on this thread is by the real Tiny Tim
January 29th, 2016 at 2:14 pm
Some people on here are either senile or suffer from (short) memory loss. When Koetter was hired last year, he went to bat to keep MG8. He liked him even though he knew Famous Jameis was in the works. It was reported on this blog as well as the TBTimes and TTrib. Fast forward to now. Dirk Koetter is now the Bucs HC. He still likes MG8. Mike G has been a class act his whole time here. He has proven to be a team player in spite of having to deal with the headaches of the HC merry-go-round that has been the Bucs SOP the last few years. Koetter has given Licht the order to keep MG8. He will be an extremely valuable insurance policy for Wild Man (on the field at times) Famous Jameis this next season. It’s smart and Glennon fans like me approve. Go Bucs!!
January 29th, 2016 at 2:17 pm
Licht is just saying what he has to, to keep MG8 value up. There is no way he makes it past the draft as a Buc. Just wouldn’t make smart business sense. Especially for a 3rd rounder. Even a 4th would be better than losing him for nothing next off season.
The “potential” to draft a good player with the pick he would give us versus just keeping him is simple. Would you rather have him MG8 on the bench all year and leave next March. Or would you rather have a chance at getting a Kwon Alexander?? Thats not even a debate to me. You take the chance. Even if the player never plays a down for the Bucs. It would be no different than MG8 riding the bench all year. MG8 deserves a trade for his professionalism as a Buc.
January 29th, 2016 at 2:23 pm
A high 3rd round pick or GTFO. For his sake I hope he gets traded. There’s more than a few teams out there that need a good QB and I think Glennon would be the man. I think we’ve wasted too many careers already.
January 29th, 2016 at 2:24 pm
Tiny Tim:
Joe has blocked the guy’s IP address but that doesn’t mean he can’t (sometimes) sneak in. It is being monitored. Not as simple as you may think.
January 29th, 2016 at 3:04 pm
NO! That’s not how compensatory picks work.
I posted the link for how they work.
January 29th, 2016 at 3:09 pm
Here’s where I have the issue:
Something is ALWAYS better than nothing.
Is Glennon a good backup? That’s debatable, but for this argument, lets say that he is.
He’s GONE after this year. If Glennon really is a competitor, he’s going to want to go somewhere where he AT LEAST has an opportunity at the starting gig.
Why are you OK with letting him leave for nothing rather than getting something for him now that would be more beneficial to the team?
Again, if we keep Glennon around, the ABSOLUTE BEST we can get is a pick at the end of the 3rd round in 2017. That’s it. And that’s ONLY going to be dependent on the free agents that we also sign that year.
For as much as everyone here believes that Licht is good at talent evaluation and has done a great job in the draft the last 2 years, I would love to give him an extra pick this year to help fill some holes that we DESPERATELY need to fill.
January 29th, 2016 at 3:18 pm
How about we trade MG8 to New Orleans? Drew Brees can’t last forever, can he? Didn’t Sean Payton mention that he liked him before the draft?
tickrdr
January 29th, 2016 at 3:29 pm
If your father dies, you make the deal, Sonny…
January 29th, 2016 at 3:34 pm
@tickrdr
I don’t see Tampa trading him within the division. I also don’t see Glennon accepting a trade to a team where he doesn’t have at least the opportunity to compete for the starting job.
I personally think the best options would be Arizona, NYJ, Cleveland and maybe LA.
January 29th, 2016 at 3:51 pm
QB is the one spot on this team we don’t have a hole. Every other area needs to be addressed. Trading Glennon and lets create another hole. Then the coaches can squirm for a legit backup.
You backup QB is an absolute necessity in this league. Well, maybe you can trade away your backup if you have no playoff aspirations.
January 29th, 2016 at 3:55 pm
@Celly:
That is exactly my point! If he is only a BACKUP, and never, ever could be a legitimate starter in the NFL, then it would make perfect sense to trade him to a team in our division. Why not saddle them with his “backupness”?
tickrdr
P.S. I sure hope that JW3 throws for at least seven touchdowns in his first two games next year so that some wise-guy poster can’t point out that our backup QB has thrown for more TDs in his first 18 games than Jameis has. With Tim Wright, Tiquan Underwood, and Bryan Leonard; no less.
America’s Doubting Thomas
January 29th, 2016 at 3:59 pm
celly Says:
January 29th, 2016 at 3:34 pm
@tickrdr
I don’t see Tampa trading him within the division. I also don’t see Glennon accepting a trade to a team where he doesn’t have at least the opportunity to compete for the starting job.
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If he is traded (which would be stupid), he has no say so in where he goes. So what he will and won’t accept is irrelevant.
January 29th, 2016 at 4:20 pm
Tickrdr…… I think you are undervaluing a backup QB. You do realize that weakness from that area can take a good season and flush it down the toilet don’t you?
We are talking about the most important position on the field(undebatable). Perhaps the most important position in all of sports. Your comment make it seem as you are brushing off the importance of depth at that spot.
January 29th, 2016 at 4:24 pm
@Tiny Tim,
That is incorrect.
I’d have to look it up, but there have been a few cases where the player in question does not want to be traded to a specific team.
Most times when a trade goes down, there is some sort of contract negotiation, even if it’s just for a year. If the player doesn’t like the contract that is being extended, they can decline the extension, thus negating the trade.
I remember hearing time and time again when Revis was on the trading block, that he would not agree to terms if the team he was going to was complete bottom of the barrel.
January 29th, 2016 at 4:26 pm
Five teams lost their QB to injury and all went straight downhill and out of playoffs because they had no backup.
One team lost their QB but had a backup good enough to win some games. They are currently preparing for a Super Bowl. Ridiculous to schrug off a backup just because you may or may not need him. Depth means everything in sports. And we’re talking about the most game changing position.
January 29th, 2016 at 4:28 pm
quick research, since i’m still officially on the clock:
as per ESPN:
January 29th, 2016 at 4:36 pm
No Celly, some veteran player negotiate a “no trade clause” into a new contract. It’s the only way they can decline a trade.
Glennon is under rookie contract and does not have that clause.
January 29th, 2016 at 4:38 pm
@celly – the main drivers in a compensatory pick are salary and playing time. one would imagine that if Glennon is getting offers for backup money and no assurances of starting, i’m pretty confident the bucs will match the offer and lock down JW’s long-term backup (until someone decides to pay over the odds a la matt flynn after 1 good game replacing Rodgers).
if he doesn’t get paid and he doesn’t get to play, he has no incentive to sign elsewhere. if it’s the opposite situation, he will have an opportunity to earn his former team a 3rd round compensatory pick through healthy play and ample snaps
January 29th, 2016 at 4:40 pm
*healthy PAY
January 29th, 2016 at 4:48 pm
@Buccaneers:
I totally agree on your comments regarding the importance of a quality backup QB.
Re-read the P.S. portion, and you may realize that I am the only poster on JBF that thinks that MG8 has accomplished more statistically in his brief career, than JW3 has. And he did it with much weaker support (o-line, RBs, and receivers), a poorer OC and game plan, and all against a MUCH tougher schedule than Jameis faced. And seems to always be a “team-first” player.
tickrdr
January 29th, 2016 at 4:50 pm
Just like I’ve been saying for months. Anything less than 3rd rd pick isn’t worth mg. after 5th rd your sifting thru mostly garbage. Not worth it. Duh!!
January 29th, 2016 at 5:04 pm
Go back and look at the past few years and what do they all have in common?
A S!hit defense that like to give up big points and leads. So NOOOOOW we go out and get a real OC and DC. 4/12, 2/14, 6/10. Changing the QB Did not make a huge difference. Koetter helped some last season. Jameis saved a couple games. or it would have been worse than 6/10. The same happen to Jameis that happend to Glennon. And Jameis had Martin and Evans.
January 29th, 2016 at 5:06 pm
OK tickrdr, sorry I must have misread your post. You were probably responding to someone else.
I don’t get the notion that if we don’t trade him now we get nothing. What does this mean? It’s actually quite ridiculous. Are they saying having Glennon here for 2016 is nothing? Having him her with an option to resign him is nothing. Do I have to even disagree with that? I didn’t even bring up the complensatary pick either.
And why are we predicting the future here? Obviously Jameis’ would our starter going into the 2017 season……but this is no guaranteed fact. Lots of things can happen……and have happened to other teams in the past. And what about the backup role? It’s great to have a franchise QB. But since when has that ever meant you can just have any ole scrub thrown in as your backup? It hasn’t meant that as long as I’ve ever watched football.
All the sudden Tampa has a franchise QB so our fans are just throwing the backup role into the rubbish??? Y’all need to consider the ramifications…………Jamie’s is a, so far, great QB. Dont take him for granted. Otherwise show me his X-Ray of steel bones.
January 29th, 2016 at 5:07 pm
OH. And a coach that refused to make adjustments!
January 29th, 2016 at 5:08 pm
Joe, if we were to trade Glennon I could see a nice 3 team trade here for The Bucs to move up on the first round. The three teams; Bucs, Cowboys and Browns. The Browns stay at 2 and Manziel goes the Cowboys but the Browns get Glennon. The Cowboys move to the Bucs number 9 pick. The Bucs then get the 4th pick overall. A Win Win Win for all three teams.
January 29th, 2016 at 5:09 pm
https://instagram.com/p/BBIz-yjPCr1/
^^^^THIS^^^^^
January 29th, 2016 at 5:59 pm
@ticker dr.
But jameis knows where he has to go to get first down or touchdown.this intangible is not in your statistics. statistics can say almost anything if you present it properly.Leadership is another intangible tat is not measured to my mknowledge.
January 29th, 2016 at 6:10 pm
Lol $10mill for 4 years. What are you smoking?!?!?!?
January 29th, 2016 at 6:34 pm
“Look, if your backup QB plays significant time, then you’re going to lose a lot of games, or the backup will break down”
I think Dick Vermeil (1999) and Bill Belichick (2001) might beg to differ with that statement Joe. C’mon man, don’t be hating on MG8/”Mikey Ice” just because he is and will likely continue to be a far better NFL QB than that Manziel character ever will.
January 29th, 2016 at 7:58 pm
What am I missing. Did Glennon for 16-3 as the Bucs starter. Damn you guys are acting like we have Steve Young waiting in the wings behind Joe Montana. When Glennon was the starter he lost, and he lost a lot. Trade Glennon and hope for a 4th rounder. There is no deal out there because GMs aren’t morons. He is a so-so back up. If he hits free agency someone may pick him up to see if he can beat out whatever scrub back up they already have on the roster.
January 29th, 2016 at 10:57 pm
@Bob in Valrico:
Your points are well-taken. I will also acknowledge that Jameis is a better runner and scrambler.
But…………. to date Jameis has only won………… ONE more game than MG8.
And……………
JW3 in his first 16 games had 22 TDs and 15 INTs.
MG8 in his first 16 games had 26 TDs and 12 INTs.
In his first 18 games, MG8 has 29 TD passes, so Jameis needs TD passes and 0 INTs in his first two games next year to equal the production of Glennon in his first 18 games.
Please compare the following:
O-line 2013 vs. O-line 2015
Doug Martin 2013 vs. Doug Martin 2015
Vjax, Mike Williams(few games), Tiquan Underwood, Tim Wright 2013 vs.
Mike Evans, Vjax, Louis Murphy, ASJ, Cameron Brate, etc.
OC 2013 vs. Dirk Koetter
2013 Schedule= toughest in the league vs. 2015 schedule = one of weakest
tickrdr
January 29th, 2016 at 11:03 pm
@ TDTB:
Not that it matters, but Steve Young played in 19 games in his first two years in the league, and had 11 TDs and 21 INTs.
BTW, he was on the winning team in only two of those 19 games.
Maybe he was a diamond in the rough?
tickrdr
January 30th, 2016 at 12:38 am
Get 3rd rounder and they can get a DE, DB, WR, and OL in the first 3 rounds.
Or maybe 2 DEs.
Whatever, the point is, that potential does more towards making them playoff bound than sitting on a decent backup.
January 30th, 2016 at 12:41 am
Tckrdr
Seriously??????
Are you actually comparing MG and JW???????
That shows such an ignorance to everything football … Except your stat sheet. This isn’t baseball. Stats don’t mean crap.
Anyone with an ounce of football knowledge can see JW has “it” and MG is a low level starter for a desperate team followed by being a career backup.
January 30th, 2016 at 1:08 am
I’m gonna actually argue your point Dave….. I’m glad we have JW. I really am as of a few months back. I’m an FSU fan as well. I’m also gonna keep it real with you. How many games in a row did JW not throw a TD? How many TDs came at garbage time? Again, this is no hate to JW! But you gotta open your eyes a bit Dave
January 30th, 2016 at 1:36 am
@NCBuc:
To be fair, JW3 did throw 4 TD passes to ASJ, for instance.
The first two were against the Titans in the first game. One when we were down 35-0, and the second when we were down 42-7. ASJ also caught a “Hail Mary” at the end of the Chicago game, once the contest was decided. So at least one of his scores must have been when the contest was still in doubt.
He also led the Bucs to 17 4th qtr points against the Rams, once they were down 28-6 in the third quarter.
tickrdr
January 30th, 2016 at 6:54 am
Nothing gets tickdr’s ticker going like a chance to present a case for Mg8.
he is a fan and he has a right to his opinion.We all have a favorite player that we don’t think got a fair shake.
Now here is an area that both are similar.Both need to improve deep sideline
accuracy.they both have hit defenders back and overthrown receivers.This is a throw that is game changer and has to be completed.
Now I wasn’t for drafting Winston but, his leadership and will to win are qualities that won me over.He is head and shoulders above MG8 in this area and quite a few other starting QB’s in this league.
January 30th, 2016 at 7:01 am
2nd round pick or keep him! A great back up is priceless ask Dallas! as soon as you don’t have him that’s when someone gets hurt . that’s how life works
January 30th, 2016 at 9:11 am
Bob in Valrico Says:
January 30th, 2016 at 6:54 am
Nothing gets tickdr’s ticker going like a chance to present a case for Mg8.
he is a fan and he has a right to his opinion.We all have a favorite player that we don’t think got a fair shake.
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A hat tip and a very good day to you sir. I extend a virtual handshake, along with my offer to buy you a beer someday. There aren’t many fans like you.
tickrdr
January 30th, 2016 at 10:43 am
thats ok,for years I used stats and finally my eyes and ears to keep equipment running properly.they are a good starting point. except in
the hands of some of my former managers who thought they could analyze
a bad motor from their desk when you could see a broken belt that was supposed to be attached to motor upon visual inspection.
Now I have to admit that I also used stats for verification . Take the cover 2 players Lovie brought in who I didnt think played well. They looked just as bad in the stats.
January 30th, 2016 at 10:59 am
I’m afraid no matter how many facts you present tickrdr the anti-Glennon crowd will just cry the same old “anyone with football knowledge can see” nonsense. The truth is anyone with “football knowledge” can see there is no reason not to believe Glennon can step in and run the Koetter offense nearly as well as Winston. Jameis is the unquestioned starter, he has better mobility in the pocket, a strong charisma/leadership presence about him, and a tenacity that the great ones usually seem to have over MG8 (as well as being the #1 pick of the current GM…that sealed Glennon’s fate in Tampa as much as anything). That said I have the utmost confidence that if Winston goes down Glennon will step right in and not miss a single beat running the show, and that is worth more than a 3rd round pick in the 2016 draft considering the Bucs are probably closer to playoff relevance with the current coaching staff than people realize.
January 30th, 2016 at 11:05 am
There is not much value in giving up a third or higher draft for MG,because he will be a free agent after a year. Unless the team is desperate and knows that they can sign him to a long term deal.That is a risk because many teams are looking for a QB that can extend plays,and I believe MG is more of a game manager.
January 30th, 2016 at 11:30 am
I think it is really great that Glennon lasted longer than Lovie, even comical..lol
January 30th, 2016 at 5:49 pm
Some of you guys are real life idiots. And I’m sorry to name call like a child but it must be put bluntly sometimes. We are comparing Jamie’s to Glennon and using stats to support it? What the f#@%!!!! Please tell me you haven’t been watching.
I shouldn’t have to do this…….but let me explain the drastic difference between the two very simply which is undebatable. The difference between great QBs and lesser QBs is found in the fourth quarter when the game is on the line, when the team needs a score, when a score means win or lose. The great QBs can almost always drive the ball.
Mike Glennon has had the ball in his hand many times when we needed a score to win. He has consistently failed in these spots. He does not drive the ball when we need it.
When the game is on the line Jameis drive the ball, consistently. He doesn’t always score for a multitude of reasons…..but he consistently, consistently drove the ball straight down the field.
This is not even a question and if you doubt it then you need to pay better attention.
This being said Glennon is a very good backup QB. He may not win you games but he isn’t going to lose them for you, which is a trademark for many backup QBs.
Anybody who wants Glennon traded is taking Winston for granted IMO…… A 2nd rnd pick you’d have to consider but any less sounds bad…..not just because of a compensation pick. We are talking about the most crucial position on the team. It is also the hardest position to fill,……….. “If we keep Glennon we get nothing” that’s completely untrue with or without a compensation pick.
January 30th, 2016 at 11:25 pm
The Cowboys gave the Bills a fifth round pick and the Bills gave the Cowboys their 7th round pick for Matt Cassell. Cassell makes 2M a year. The best we would get for Glennon would be to swap our 7th round pick for a teams 4th. Best case scenerio. The only reason Licht would keep Ryan Griffin on the roster all year was so if a team wanted to trade for Glennon, we could pull the trigger with Ryan in place. Don’t kid yourself, every team knows what they feel is Glennon’s potential and if there was a team who thought he was a QB worth giving a chance, they would have already traded for him. The reason Licht is saying we will not trade Glennon is because he knows nobody is interested in him.