100 Percent Coming From Doug Martin
January 31st, 2016
Doug Martin talks to Joe at the Pro Bowl
An injury to Doug Martin in today’s Pro Bowl could cost him at least $10 million, but he isn’t at all concerned.
Martin could have skipped the Pro Bowl and waited on the giant contact he’ll sign soon — hopefully, for Tampa Bay. But instead Martin will hammer away at the Pro Bowl at top speed.
Don’t talk contract or other serious Bucs topics with Doug Martin, who looks to be in A+ condition. He’s not into that this week, but Martin did have plenty to share with Joe and Bucs fans after a Pro Bowl practice.
Enjoy the video below.
January 31st, 2016 at 12:36 pm
Doug seems to be a pretty quiet guy who doesn’t seek the limelight.
Thanks for that interview Joe..let me see a side of #22 I hadn’t seen before.
January 31st, 2016 at 12:42 pm
I still think they should franchise him. Having to prove himself two years in a row will help him form a habit of being at his best.
After all…he only got good again in his contract year. That’s not exactly promising. Did he play for the money? Only one way to know for sure.
Franchise him. If he maintains thru half of next season…then sign a contract.
January 31st, 2016 at 1:38 pm
Bonzai
You do know he was hurt, injured, and banged up for 2 years right?
You got a great RB just hitting his prime and a real good compliment in Simms.
Lock him up for about 4 years now.
The Bucs can afford it
January 31st, 2016 at 1:59 pm
What I was gonna say Dave. Dougie has nothing to prove because he already did it. The Bucs should franchise him to give him the raise he deserves then give him a good contract next year.
January 31st, 2016 at 2:32 pm
It’s just awesome the Bucs have a ton of cap room. Doug is great but if we had tight cap space they actually would have to consider letting Doug walk. I don’t know much about contracts but pretty sure they could front load it, take a bigger hit this year(since we got the cap room) and sign Doug for a multi-year contract. In any case, I fully expect Doug to be in Tampa next year. I think our GM knows what’s good for him.
January 31st, 2016 at 2:57 pm
Franchising Martin would be foolish!!! The tag number for RB last year was 9.54 million. That is too much for a injury prone, not great at pass pro RB!! at that franchise number for 2016 you could have already paid 2 years of his contract and then the third year he will be in a “contract year” and we already know that is when we see his best!!!!
January 31st, 2016 at 3:01 pm
The tag would be the most beneficial for both parties.
Doug gets a raise ,we keep him here and then we negotiate a long term deal that’s also beneficial to both parties.
January 31st, 2016 at 3:24 pm
I Want him to stay but you just cant overpay the guy for one good year in the last three. Franchise tag him for theseason.
January 31st, 2016 at 3:32 pm
Kevin you’re confusing me. You don’t want to overpay him but you want him franchised?
January 31st, 2016 at 3:52 pm
hopefully the bucs can sign him for 20 -22 million for 4 years.the bucs do have a little negotiating room because he had 2 injury prone years and he wants to to stay here.But he also lost 3or 4 million because the bucs did not pick up his option year.Our o-line and the emergence of sims could lessen the wear that schiano put on him his first year.Look at the way Murray played when he left dallas.
January 31st, 2016 at 3:57 pm
All who say – “franchise Doug Martin” are not very $ savvy.
The $ figure for franchising a RB in 2015 was $10.951M (not $9.54M Realist).
The projected # for RBs in 2016 is $11.871M. (depending on final adjusted total cap #)
That $12M for ONE YEAR is very close to 1/2 of what it would take to sign Martin to a 4 year deal – and is about exactly what will need to be guaranteed within that 4 year deal.
4 years – $25M – $12M Guaranteed (which includes a $5M up front signing bonus and 2015 $5M salary fully guaranteed) will be right in the range of the deal that Martin and the Bucs will end up agreeing on. Doug gets his $10M guaranteed this year (+$2M more of 2017 salary) – and the Bucs get the last 3 years of having him under contract with small monetary risk after 2016 and very small after 2017.
Or the Bucs could franchise him for almost $12M (guaranteed) this year and be right back in this same position next year.
Franchising Martin would be very stupid and I’m surprised so many here (including at least 1 or perhaps both the Joes) think its a good idea.
Licht is not stupid. So the bottom line is that Joes and posters calling for the franchise tag on Douginator is just silliness.
January 31st, 2016 at 4:01 pm
I think realist is right put the 10 million into front end of contract to sweeten the deal. Martin had a great year,in part because of conditioning program
he started last year.I would think he would continue that.
January 31st, 2016 at 4:05 pm
Mr Cosell trusts Jason Licht to make the right decision with regard to Doug Martin for the best Buccaneer team in 2016 and going forward.
Signed,
Howards Secretary
January 31st, 2016 at 4:11 pm
pickgrin too! I did see something that his valuatin would be somewhere short of 7 mil a year.So lets hope he will take a hometown discount
January 31st, 2016 at 4:30 pm
Why should he take a home town discount with the level of disrespect shown him, I think he deserves 12 mil a year and not a penny less!!!
January 31st, 2016 at 4:33 pm
PAY YHE MAN!!
January 31st, 2016 at 4:39 pm
The only reason I suggested the franchise tag is because it doesn’t go against the cap and it’s only for one year….not 4 years. If I’m mistaken and the tag does count against the cap and the room is not there than don’t. I think he’d have to offer a discount to the bucs for it to be worth paying what another team is willing to overpay…but if it’s for one year and he shows he can come back in the same shape, then sign him. Man bunch of tight asses in here sometimes.
January 31st, 2016 at 4:41 pm
Yes, Bighog Haynes,
I remember Lovie trying to explain how
taking 3 or 4 million away from doug this season was doing him a big favor
and he could command a much larger contract in 2016.
Another bad roster move on Lovies part.
January 31st, 2016 at 6:51 pm
Dave…no Dougie was not hurt for about the first 6 games in 2013 and YES he did suck during that span.
January 31st, 2016 at 7:08 pm
Its amazing, this time last year, Lovie was going to cut Doug Martin and eat his last year of his rookie deal ($2,159,668.00) But Coach Koetter stepped in and ask to see what he could do with Martin for a year!!!!!
January 31st, 2016 at 7:34 pm
Kevin Says:
January 31st, 2016 at 4:39 pm
The only reason I suggested the franchise tag is because it doesn’t go against the cap…
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Of course a 1 year $12M franchise designation would count against the 2016 cap.
And yes the Bucs do have more than enough free cap space to do it if they choose. But it makes no sense.
A signing bonus on a multi year deal gets pro rated over the life of the contract. ($1.25M per year for a $5M signing bonus on a 4 year deal). So in my example of $25M over 4 years, Doug’s salary would be $5M per year and he gets $5M up front. So his cap# each year of the deal would be $6.25M. That’s almost a $6M difference in the 2016 “expense” for Doug Martin as opposed to $12M for a franchise tag.. That $6M could be used to sign another quality FA starter – AND we have him under contract at a fair to both sides price for an additional 3 years (assuming he continues to perform at a level that justifies paying him that much). The Bucs have the option after 2016 or 2017 to cut him and there would be a penalty (dead cap $) – but it would not be more than $1.25M total per remaining year of the contract once the guarantees on his salary are achieved.
It just makes little to no sense to franchise Doug Martin – UNLESS Doug/agent grossly over value his worth (as in claiming Doug’s services are worth $9-$10M per year) and are unwilling to come down from that. THEN maybe it would make sense to consider the franchise tag if you are counting on him to be your star RB in the coming year and a longer term deal could not be agreed on prior to the start of free agency. Even then it wouldn’t really make sense – because Martin and his agent (if allowed to test free agency) would find out very quickly that the value of his services is somewhere between $5-$7M per year depending on who is evaluating his tape and his worth compared to what other running backs in the league make.
And I assume that all things being equal – Doug would just as soon stay in Tampa Bay. I could be wrong about that but I believe that is the case.
So if a deal can’t be reached because Doug/agent are playing “hardball” – the thing to do is let him test free agency with the understanding that the Bucs are willing to pay up to X amount – and if someone else wants to pay more (overpay) then good luck and we wish him well (which is exactly what happened with Warrick Dunn – We all hated to lose Dunn – but what the Falcons offered him was absolutely ridiculous at the time – and while he played well for the Falcons those next 5 years – he was basically overpayed every single year of that contract which McKay was smart not to do.)
The other factor (that wasn’t in place when we lost Dunn’s services) is that if Doug leaves for more $ somewhere else – the Bucs will receive a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2017 (since Doug was a 1st round pick initially). That makes it much easier for Licht to do the right thing and let him test free agency if Doug’s demands are deemed way too high and an agreement cannot be reached.
Nuff said. Franchising Martin makes no sense.
January 31st, 2016 at 8:34 pm
Doug is having a solid game tonight, albeit it is borderline touch football. Give him some credit for giving his all when he had everything to lose. I hope we can find a way to resign the man.
January 31st, 2016 at 9:04 pm
Never watch the probowl but figured to check it out since jameis was playing. Had to tune it out.
I mean what is this garbage? Apparently whoever came up with this format don’t know anything about sports….. Sports is always better when you have a team to root for. Whether it be pulling for a underdog or whatever……. Team Irvin and team rice mean absolutely nothing to me. It is just unwatchable when you are cheering for both sides…..especially when Michael Irvin is featured more then the actual players…..eake me up when jameis has the ball.
Wow NFL, I didn’t think you could !make this contest any worse then it was when I watched as a kid……… You butchered another part of the game . congrats
January 31st, 2016 at 9:04 pm
jameis christ was picking the brain of eli manning for what it takes to get to the superbowl…per gruden
January 31st, 2016 at 9:15 pm
I thought every QB got to play at least one quarter..why isn’t Jameis on yet????
January 31st, 2016 at 9:35 pm
Just what I’ve been talking about. Give Jameis a speed burner at WR that can’t BE caught from behind. TOUCHDOWN!
January 31st, 2016 at 9:40 pm
b-e-a utiful pass
January 31st, 2016 at 9:49 pm
give him someone who can catch the ball…
weak-assed mike evans
January 31st, 2016 at 9:52 pm
dang, jameis can sling the rock
January 31st, 2016 at 9:55 pm
Jameis is looking lethal.
January 31st, 2016 at 9:57 pm
Winston spits hot fire!
January 31st, 2016 at 9:57 pm
cant wait till august…
January 31st, 2016 at 9:59 pm
of course it is a display game…
January 31st, 2016 at 9:59 pm
Not sure what the Pro Bowl has to do w/ FSU settlement w/ EK…not suprised though, it is broadcast on BSPN. That network shouldn’t be suprised by Jameis’s cold shoulder.
January 31st, 2016 at 9:59 pm
This kid is ours?
He’s really a Buc?
SMH sigh.
Check Jameis Winston in 2018.
January 31st, 2016 at 10:03 pm
That’s what happens when Jameis has a receiver that does not DROP the ball
too! Man it is going to be a LONG offseason.
January 31st, 2016 at 10:18 pm
McCoy should feel right at home anyway. Getting blown out again. Probably looking to see if Lovie is on the sideline.
January 31st, 2016 at 10:24 pm
Dave Says
“Bonzai
You do know he was hurt, injured, and banged up for 2 years right?”
Those are excuses. He still started a lot of games. He still did not produce in the games he played. He still came in too heavy.
The contract year was the drive behind this year. Don’t fool yourself. When a player suddenly improves in his contract year, it’s a good sign he is looking for a paycheck. It’s also a good sign he might get it was ease up again.
Maybe Martin will. Maybe he won’t. Make him prove himself again.
January 31st, 2016 at 10:28 pm
Joe is at the Pro Bowl (in a bar I think he said?) Yet…no Pro Bowl open thread? Someone is drinking a bit, lol.
That’s alright, joe…enjoy 🙂
On the topic of the pro bowl…man, it sucks.
They said it right at the end…you can’t make it competitive because of the money involved with the players?
How about making it AFC vs NFC again…and get rid of this Irving vs Rice crap. Many schedules didn’t even call it a pro bowl. They called it Team Irving vs Team Rice.
What a waste. I watched it this time because of Winston and David. Martin too. Sorry I did.
January 31st, 2016 at 10:29 pm
Winston had a turnover in a pushover game…how embarrassing, lol.
January 31st, 2016 at 10:30 pm
Jameis looked really sharp tonight…..on target….and he looked like he was having a lot of fun.
January 31st, 2016 at 10:34 pm
@Bonzai
Sproles dropped the pitch. At least he didn’t throw 2 INTs like Tyrod Taylor.
January 31st, 2016 at 10:45 pm
It’s just Bonzai. What more would you expect? One of the Joes is at the Super Bowl I think.
January 31st, 2016 at 10:52 pm
Bonzai…embarrassing to whom? This game was just for fun.
January 31st, 2016 at 11:01 pm
@SCBucsFan
It never made it into Sproles hands. The stats will say it was a Winston fumble.
Don’t get me wrong…I sat thru 42 minutes of crap to get to Winston…with the only highlights being David causing a pick thrown to MArtin, and Martin scoring a TD.
I love watching Winston play. It was the only fun part.
But the game outright sucked.
January 31st, 2016 at 11:03 pm
BucFan20 Says
“It’s Bonzai. I have severe envy of his prowess with the opposite sex.”
There. Fixed it for you.
February 1st, 2016 at 1:07 am
Doug Martin has had 2 All-Pro seasons. Both Foster and Lynch have been out due to injuries as well. The Offensive Line Martin ran behind last year was terrible. Martin will be able to get a 4 year contract between $9,000,000 and $10,000,000 a year. I hate it when people say “oh, we have a ton of cap room so just sign him.” Folks, we do not have a ton of cap room. Not when we keep all of our high end contracts like Jackson, Mankins, Evan Smith, Cherilus, Carter and Verner. Licht has to sign Martin and that will set the cap back 10M to 12M. You know where I am heading? Now its 35M under the cap with 13 unsigned FA and rookie contracts. We are going to be lucky to be able to just sign two big name FA. Mario and Josh works for me. Draft Andrew Billings or we will regret it. Man beast.
2012 – All-Pro Played in all 16 games 4.6 YPC 11 TD 1 FUM
2013 – Played 6 games. IR Shoulder 3.6 YPC 1 TD 1 FUM
2014 – Played in 11 games 3.7 YPC 2 TD 0 FUM
2015 – All-Pro (2nd NFL rushing title) 4.9 YPC 6 TD 4 FUM
Adrian Peterson $14,000,000
Marshawn Lynch $12,000,000
Arian Foster $8,700,000
LeSean McCoy $8,010,000
DeMarco Murray $8,000,000
February 1st, 2016 at 1:47 am
Here I am agreeing with StPete & DavebigRacePimp on something. Crazy how the absence of the heavy, wet blanket of hopelessness that is incompetetnt Lovie Smith has been spirited away. No one even cares who the new HC is because they know no matter what the likes of Josh MCown, Anthony Collins and Ghost Johnson were mistakes of the past
February 1st, 2016 at 3:11 pm
dallas buc if it was not for jw I would wish the curse of lovie smith on the bucs.look at the bears still looking around, changing coaches since he left.