With The Ninth Pick In The 2016 NFL Draft
December 27th, 2015
Losing has its privilege.
Yes, there is a silver lining from the deuce the Bucs took on their home turf this afternoon.
As Bucs fans know well, losing, losing and more losing means a better draft pick come the season of hope, aka Christmas in April, the NFL Draft.
Per NFL.com, the Buccaneers (6-9) would hold the No. 9 overall pick in the 2016 draft, if the season ended today. It doesn’t matter what happens with the Giants (6-8) tonight against Minnesota.
The very best Bucs fans could hope for is a No. 6 overall pick. That would come if Tampa Bay loses next Sunday, and Jacksonville, Miami and Baltimore all win.
Yes, some Bucs fans will read this tonight and dream of the Bucs scoring that No. 6 pick and somehow finding Ohio State defensive end Joey Bosa in their lap. Other Bucs fans will bang their heads on blunt objects knowing the Lovie Smith regime began with Tampa Bay owning the No. 7 overall pick in the 2014 NFL Draft. On paper, that doesn’t represent much progress, if any.
December 27th, 2015 at 9:48 pm
Progress? What progress? Outside of Jameis this team is bad
December 27th, 2015 at 9:50 pm
Would love to see Bosa in pewter next season, but the Bucs would likely have to move up to get him.
December 27th, 2015 at 9:52 pm
Jalen Ramsey. This team needs a playmaker in the secondary and Ramsey can do it all in the defensive backfield.
December 27th, 2015 at 9:52 pm
This draft will be for defense, and the higher we pick, the better. It will take a few years for Licht and Lovie to rebuild us, but we are getting better.
December 27th, 2015 at 9:54 pm
Imagine going from 6-6, being in the hunt, to possibly picking as high as sixth overall in the draft. It is hard to believe.
Could you all imagine taking the 6th player off the board?
What a bad team we are. Lovie should by no means be guaranteed a 3rd year.
You win 8 games in 2 years, and you don’t get a shot for year 3.
Schiano won 7 games in one year. Almost as many as Lovie has in 2 years.
December 27th, 2015 at 9:55 pm
We have certainly made progress this year over last and are moving in the right direction. The losing at the end of the year last year certainly helped improve our draft positions and we made some very good picks. I wouldn’t mind losing the last game and getting a better spot in the next draft. I know s you should try to win all of your games, but a meaningless win in the last game won’t help when we drop spots in the draft.
December 27th, 2015 at 9:56 pm
Hope? What hope?
December 27th, 2015 at 9:59 pm
The tank is on. Just one more game.
Lovie presupposes he can flip a switch next year.. Sure hope he’s right.
December 27th, 2015 at 10:00 pm
Two plays today stand out in support of the tank.,
Any guesses?
December 27th, 2015 at 10:01 pm
Here’s a hint.. Both plays are by the same person.
December 27th, 2015 at 10:04 pm
Draft a whole new defense
December 27th, 2015 at 10:14 pm
http://nfltraderumors.co/projected-2016-nfl-draft-order/
Present draft order.
Take a look then come right back to jbf!
December 27th, 2015 at 10:15 pm
Can we trade that pick away for an average HC?
You fans that see progress. I have no idea wtf you are looking at. I think you’re just seeing what you want to see. The hopeful type of fan. Good for you, hang onto something, but he’s gone after 2016!
Kind of good news, Lovie will get us another high pick after next season. Only he WON’T be doing the shopping.
Somewhere in America Greg Schiano is laughing his ass off at every single one of us.
Hang in there Bucs fans. Hang in there.
December 27th, 2015 at 10:29 pm
Miami plays New England, Ravens at Bengals and Jaguars are in Houston. 8th pick at best. Bosa and Ramsey will not be there. I don’t care what people say about Adrian Clayborn, he is going to play the entire season without injury and his game ending fumble recovery over the stinking Panthers capped a game in which Clayborn looked better than any DE this team has. It is such a downer being a Bucs fan right now. I spend more time checking out how well former Buccaneer players are performing and dreaming “what if”? At best we will get four good players in the draft and maybe two or three in FA. Still to many holes to fill. Gong to be 2-3 more years.
December 27th, 2015 at 10:34 pm
With our all offensive drafts the past 2 years (except for Kwon), it was obvious that Lovie was taking a backseat through the process…
Which means we drafted Jameis, Evans, Simms, ASJ, Marpet, D. Smith, IN SPITE OF Lovie… And I have a feeling that if it were up to Lovie, he would have sided with Dungy in picking Mariota over Jameis…
It also means that Lovie, Overlord of Personnel, didnt have the stones, or competence, to step in and select some much needed defensive talent… And if thats the case, then we’re dealing with a softass HC on the field, along with a softass F.O. pushover…
If Lovie cant close games, cant close F.O. moves, then what the fcuk is he good for??? …………continuity??? fcuk outta here…
December 27th, 2015 at 10:38 pm
@1987
I’m with you.
The only reason that the Bucs got as many as 6 wins was because of their pathetically weak and soft schedule where they played one bad team after another. And if you close out the season by losing your last 4 games, you are getting worse instead of better.
Too bad that Lovie gets a 3rd year.
December 27th, 2015 at 10:47 pm
Given enough time…Lovie could sneak into the top 5 of next year’s draft. He will simply run out of season to keep stinking up the joint.
December 27th, 2015 at 10:53 pm
I’m not as pessimistic as most fans on this site. I am looking forward to next year and a top ten draft selection. With that pick I’d take the top rated WR and take defense with every pick after. We see what happens without Vincent Jackson. The Bucs must get an outside game breaker with speed who can open things up for ASJ and Evans.
December 27th, 2015 at 11:04 pm
Btw people, I’m a TRUE Bucs fan… Still sick to my stomach on Sunday night at 11oclock… Still looking for any kind of improvement to move forward with into 2016…
But after enduring Raheem & Greg, I know a Loser when I see one… And Lovie is a tricky one… because he has ‘credentials’, and a history with the Bucs… But these ‘credentials’ were built off of the backs of competent DCs… Marinelli, Rivera… Lovie taking over as DC, HC, Head of Personnel??? We get this cluster fcuk…
Here’s a question, When the Bucs fire Lovie, next monday, what NFL team in their right mind would hire him???
December 27th, 2015 at 11:21 pm
The Giants are almost as bad as the Bucs.
Same thing with the Eagles.
It will be interesting to see how these teams react to their epic suck. Maybe we as Bucs fans could take a lesson?
December 27th, 2015 at 11:59 pm
Lovie should be fired. We can get some really good options for a new HC. With Winston and the other young stars will look very appealing to many people. Also, having a top 10 pick should get us a great player n high picks n the other rounds. We have a bright future as long as the Glazers make the right choice. We have too much talent for a career mediocre coach. Playoff bound next season as long as the documentary doesn’t destroy Winston’s career…
December 28th, 2015 at 12:12 am
All I need to know is that if we do get rid of lovie, that the new HC doesn’t trade away Jameis to get someone he wants. That’s what schiano did a year after freeman had a great year and I thought he was our franchise qb and he made him look bad to get rid of him. I say give lovie one more year and Jameis with a year under his belt. I realize I sound crazy but it’s not really fair to criticize lovie for bad offensive play to go along with bad defense. I mean yes our defense played bad a lot. But we are like top 10 in the league in turnovers. And he honestly didn’t have much to work with bc he had too many holes to fill coming in (thanks to schiano). We didn’t have a good no.2 receiver so he drafted one. Didn’t have a TE so he drafted one. Didn’t have good oline so he drafted two and picked one up. Now I say we draft Ramsey first round, then get a solid dlineman 2nd and maybe another good corner, or another dlineman. Don’t lose hope bucs fans!!!
December 28th, 2015 at 12:18 am
All I’m saying is that if we do get a new HC, the glazers better tell the new guy he can’t get rid of the franchise qb
December 28th, 2015 at 12:25 am
You can’t keep on running your program with losers. You have to keep trying to find the right man to lead this team. Who is that? Don’t know but what I do know is when a team leads the league in penalties and can’t beat back up QBs, then it isn’t going in the right direction.
Smith was supposed to be the coach that settled things down, that could get his team to play great defense.
He can’t coach anymore, his schemes are way too passive, his players are out of control with all the penalties.
You can’t allow Winston, Marpet or any of these young stars to become losers like GMC and LVD have become. Move on to the next man up, Smith has been well paid for all those home losses, sorry but it’s time for o move on.
December 28th, 2015 at 12:55 am
This Bears game is a prime indication why I have been off the Lovie bandwagon for quite some time. I’m looking at the end of the game in disbelief at the score. First, it’s an int that would have the ball at the Bears 15 nullified by a very soft penalty, but another penalty nonetheless, then it is Martin putting the ball on the carpet twice and then throw in an ill-advised Winston prayer that gets picked and it was a typical Bucs game. The team devoid of talent? Slightly but not enough to go 0-4 when it mattered. The Colts, Saints, and Bear were extremely winnable games that could have had us at 9-7 with a chance. Our lack of discipline and inability to sense blood in the water has to be attributed to our Head Coach. I’m just not feeling Lovie. Yes, I understand that he will be coaching here but I don’t see the potential from him. He’s a decent coach whose players like playing for him but demands little accountability and discipline. it’s a recipe for disaster unless the team is already built and we are 5 players or so from that point. I’ll still be rooting for Lovie but I’m not feeling good about it.
December 28th, 2015 at 1:03 am
Same thing every week when or lose. They have no DEs or DBs and need more at WR.
It’s that simple.
They will address it in the offseason and win 10+ next year.
December 28th, 2015 at 3:03 am
The Bucs are in desperate need to help the secondary but the Bucs also need major help on the DLine another OLB as well as an interior linemen, a WR and a returner along with possibly a new punter and kicker.
December 28th, 2015 at 3:14 am
Give the GM another draft and see if we can shore up this horrific defense. Rome wasn’t built in a day.
December 28th, 2015 at 5:55 am
Somewhere in America Greg Schiano is laughing his ass off at every single one of us.
why? he cannot coach in the nfl he was 2-14
December 28th, 2015 at 5:57 am
“and we are 5 players or so from that point”
so what difference a new coach will bring if you have glaring holes in your line up?
December 28th, 2015 at 6:46 am
Lovie inherited a bad team with only a few good players, much like Dungy did. It took Dungy 4 years to turn that team into a legitimate contender. Lovie will do the same given a chance. It’s not the coach who commits penalties and turnovers. He doesn’t rush the passer either. We need a stud DE and some corners who can play cover 2.
December 28th, 2015 at 7:07 am
With Lovie staying, and for continuity purposes that is probably the right move, one can only hope we can bring in Marinelli if Jason Garrett gets fired. This December collapse can justify blowing out the defensive staff. Unfair? With the total lack of defensive talent, yes, but on the other hand, why can no one other than Kwon play defense under Lovie? Why has GMC and LVD regressed? No one around them? Yes, but why is that? THAT is totally on Lovie. You would think with the carousel of garbage brought in over the last two years, SOMEONE could play defense.
Another solid draft and a DC that can coach DESPITE Lovie and this should be a much better team than what we saw this year.
December 28th, 2015 at 7:14 am
Im happy with the progress I’ve seen this year.
I also have great Faith that Licht and Lovie will draft great players next April.
Both of those things are very new to this team.
I cant wait for next season
December 28th, 2015 at 7:44 am
Capt Tim. The talent is there but the coaching is very lacking. A decent coaching could have this team in contention for a wildcard slot right now as a competent coach could have defeated the Skins, the saints at home and probably either the Rams or Texans on the road. Lovie accepted blame for the DC fiasco and I think the special teams coach should have been fired after the Texan game after his hand picked kicker jaked on so many FGS and the bucs had to go back to Barth…. This team should be 8-7 right now at worst but Lovie has cost this team wins…. My question is if they are tanking right now to get in the top 10 of the draft?????
December 28th, 2015 at 7:54 am
QBKilla: Father Dungy had the Bucs in the playoffs in 1997; his second season. They beat Detroit 20-10 in the “Big Sombrerro’s” Finale with Allstott ripping off a long TD run to put the game away and give the Bucs a playoff win and a ticket to Green Bay…. You can not compare this Lovie cat with Dungy! Dungy accomplished much more in 2 years than Lovie has. 17 wins for Dungy and 8 for Lovie in their first 2 seasons… Yes, I know that the Bucs did have Brooks, Sapp and Lynch to help TD build a solid D but isn’t the current ownership crowing about GMC, L David and Winston being the new future of Buc ball????? I think Winston has a remarkable future, not too sure about our pro bowl defenders though…. This is not 1996 QBKilla; I do not see a playoff run coming with this Lovie as coach…..
December 28th, 2015 at 8:36 am
Dave, I remember the 97 season well. That team was entertaining but no threat to the elite teams. It went 8-8 the next season playing a tougher schedule. The outside pass rush wasn’t good on that team either. That changed with the additions of Simeon Rice and Greg Spires a few years later.
December 28th, 2015 at 9:18 am
QBKilla: my point is that Coach Dungy would have got this team to 9-7 or so not 6-10 like Lovie will when they Bucs lose to Carolina (doubtful they will win as the Panthers need the W to keep home field)…. Lovie IMHO is simply not a good coach. The team he had with Chicago that made it to the Super Bowl was exceptional but besides that his coaching career has been lackluster at best; the guy rode father Dungy’s coat tails into some huge coin jobs….
December 28th, 2015 at 10:26 am
On the flipside, if the Bucs should win against Carolina, they could end up with as high as the #18 overall pick.
December 28th, 2015 at 2:15 pm
Emmanuel Ogbah or DeForest Buckner in that spot would be ideal. If somehow Desmond King or Su’a Cravens falls to the top of the 2nd then that would be two cornerstones to rebuild on.
December 28th, 2015 at 4:01 pm
Dave: I agree that Dungy’s record is somewhat better than Lovies but it’s not that big of a difference really. Dungy was only slightly better than .500 here in Tampa. His winning percentage went way up in Indy. I think that had a lot to do with Peyton Manning. Now Lovie has a franchise QB, which he never had in Chicago. Give him and Licht time to fill some more holes and the wins will come. Dungy was a great coach but I don’t think Lovie is all that much different.