I am reflecting on were I went wrong. First Kudos to Koetter and Warhop on getting the O-line to overachieve a bit, And Jamies for most of the time having a clock in his head to help the O-line out. Kudos to D Martin for being motivated during a contract year!!!
But what I did not see and were I was errored greatly, was how incredible/historically soft the schedule was!!!!
If I am to be wrong though, I do wish for the Bucs to make the playoffs instead of being wrong only to see the Bucs win 6-7 and get a low teens draft pick!!!!!
Over 63% of the people are at least confident with Lovie Smith. You’d never know it the way the regular commenters complain. Thankfully there are a lot more supporters out there than nonsensical detractors.
I went from little confidence to confident. Just win baby! This team had a chance to make the playoffs and I want to see them in the tournament. Playoff experience will be great for this team. And it’ll prove Lovie deserves another year.
Well Realist I’m still in the hunt with my 5-11 prediction. However I would gladly like to see them go on a win streak to close out the season. Even if they don’t make the playoffs, draft pick be damned. I think a flurry of wins towards the end of the season would do wonders for this team going into next season.
Oh and I piss with the wind. Last 2 weeks I voted confident, with good reason. This week I voted little confidence. Had they won @ Indy I could have very easily voted confident again. I can’t for some reason vote higher than confident or lower than little confidence. Kind of stuck somewhere in between those right now.
I have held my vote steady at “Confident” since the beginning. I believe that Lovie is an average to above-average HC. He’s done a nice job on the offensive side of the ball. I’m surprised at how poor the defense is and hope that Lovie swaps out Leslie Frazier for a better DC. I am in favor of stability with this regime.
I can’t believe you all are falling for this crap, Nothings changes, YOUR ON THE BANDWAGON YOUR OFF THE BANDWAGON, There still the same old Buc’s . The team isn’t going anywhere with Lovie at the helm so you better forget that notion !! Fire Lovie will be the best thing that happen to the Buc’s .. This guy is ( no ) coach …….
lovie says – Hey Dirk, even though you are my 3rd choice, want a Job??
dirk says – sure, I will take the job, can I wear the big Bucs floppy hat??
lovie says – no, that is for the injured during training camp.
dirk says – well go ahead and give asj one will ya!!!!
besides that and once every 2 weeks he says “we need to run the ball” when he passes Koetter in the hallway!!! Lovie probally does not even know what room the offense meets in!!!!
And lovie is the Defensive Coordinator, If you do not like the DC this year, then its Lovie you don’t like!!!!!!!
CAN’T FIX IT …something tells me that you said the same thing about Rah and Schiano as well. If the Bucs get a new coach, more than likely you’ll be saying the same about that coach in short order.
If the Bucs started the season 5-0 everyone would have been on cloud nine. I really think that’s what it will take for some of you people to cool your engines down. Then if the team loses the next 11 games, then what? Fire the coach?
If this team closes the season winning 8 games. I hope Lovie doesn’t go anywhere at all, nor do I think he should.
Sure some teams get lucky and hire a HC that’s starts to win right out of the gate. The fans of those teams are all whipped into a frenzy because the coach is so good and their team is winning. That changes quickly once the team starts to go on a losing streak. Example : Chip Kelly, most Eagles fans want his ass gone like yesterday gone. Yet he started off looking like a great coach.
As of right now. I don’t think firing Lovie will be the answer as Chip Kelly is one of the many, many, many coaches I could name as examples.
They gave Rah 3 years. Fans gave Schiano a season and a 1/4 before they were calling for his head. Now we have fans doing the same thing with Lovie at the season and a half point. I’m guilty of it too.
Do you think it will ever stop? If the next coach comes in and he starts off 0-5, then what? I guess hiring a HC is hit or miss.
I’ve seen improvement in the team. Enough even to bring Lovie back for more than just 2 years. Sure some of his personnel moves have pissed me off. Along with some of his in game decision making, but that happens to many coaches. Pete Carrol calling a pass at the goal line in the SB only to get it picked off comes to mind.
Funny. But the head coach is responsible for the whole team, so I give Lovie credit for whatever he is or isn’t doing with Jameis, Koetter and the offense. And I do blame him for the defense. I’m not a fan of a HC calling plays on either side of the ball; there’s too much other stuff to do. Find a DC that can do the whole job.
Fans gave Schiano a season and a 1/4 before they were calling for his head
I was in support of Greg Schiano until it looked like he was *creating* a QB controversy in training camp. In hindsight of course it turns out Schiano saw something the rest of us really didn’t including those in the media. Still, Schiano blatantly lied about several things regarding the team and the direction the team was going was not one towards improvement. Especially not with Mark Dominick as the GM. If Schiano was still here Mike Glennon would be our entrenched starting QB.
But what I did not see and were I was errored greatly, was how incredible/historically soft the schedule was!!!!
No our schedule is not particularly soft and it’s certainly not historically so. It was easier last year when the NFC South was the dog of the conference. This year that mantle has gone to the NFC East where we would be tied for first. We are better than all the teams in that conference.
Just look at the standings. What you are underestimating is not a soft schedule but the effect of parity. This has been debated for a few years now. Is this what we want? Some fans and pundits…not me…miss having clearly dominant teams. Carolina and NE and AZ are clearly beatable but they are dominant enough for me. There are no juggernauts anymore.
The schedule simply appears weak because the entire league is mediocre to poor if we want to be honest about it. Just look at the standings…we’d be in second place in some divisions and not that far out of first. KC is 6-5…wow.
And again the freaking Colts are riding a win streak. I honestly cannot believe the arrogance of folks thinking we are so good we should just maul a team on a win streak with a red hot QB. I’m actually stunned that we were in that game in their house late in the game after the way we played. That wasn’t our A game…more like a C- or D game.
With many polls you throw out the extremes..the outliers who have total confidence and no confidence only comprise 12% roughly 1 out of ten.
The majority are dead in the middle. Given the ups and downs of this season that’s probably appropriate.
It’s been a wild roller coaster ride. Are we surprised? I read a lot of our “experts” claiming that #3 would need time…2 rookies on the OL might get him killed…the defense is still finding it’s way and they ALL counseled patience..hard to know what you’re getting out of a team with so many rookies at key position…QB..MLB..40% of our offensive line.
Well all of you guys who said that were right!!! I was hoping for a little more consistency but I see the error of my 10 wins was not believing how inconsistently rookies…especially this large a group of them perform. It is what it is.
Now since we’re talking about Lovie in this poll it seems really clear to me…others can disagree…that Lovie and staff are taking the long view….that is to say they did not feel the need to win big this year and they clearly accepted there would be growing pains. Perhaps they could have done some things to win a couple more in terms of personnel but they went with the team that’s going to get us to the promised land and that’s a whole lot of ROOKIES!!!
Nothing has changed. I have voted “Confident” every time.
The Pirate ship will be fully righted and the Bucs will be “relevant” in every sense of the word sooner than later assuming the Glazers (and fickle fans) continue to stay patient and not try to mess with what is already obviously working.
This team will be legitimately competing for Super Bowls on a regular basis within 2-3 years and Lovie Smith will be the HC when it happens.
Great to see the vast majority have confidence in Lovie. Sometimes, you can’t tell because the Lovie Haters post so frequently. These same people will be waving the Bucs flag proudly when we win a superbowl under Lovie.
We can barely win 2 games in a row under Lovie. Took 2 really bad teams for that to happen. An average team comes along and we crap ourselves. But aye, lets live in fantasy land and pretend a Super Bowl is imminent. You call us Lovie haters so I’ll call you mediocrity lovers.
You are so right!!! If the bucs finish 6-10 or 7-9 and miss the playoffs, The sheep (lovie loyalist) will be popping champagne!!! What they don’t realize is how historically soft the schedule has been!!!!!
Lovie, Licht and the players all deserve credit for the progress this team has made since last year. A year ago, we loose those “easy” games. And there is stability, which is huge considering the lack there of in 2013. I expect the progress to continue. That said, if we end the season on a six game losing streak and go backward after going forward, well then Lovies time may be up. As I give credit for the growth we showed this year, there has to be blame when the team goes backward. I hope we keep building and finish strong, because I really dont want another head coaching change.
A soft fragmentary team deserves an easy schedule. Five wins against a weak schedule is nothing to get excited about, unless it’s the Bucs where any win is a cause for celebration. There are no easy schedules for a weak NFL team.
Last year our record was 2-14 against a grand total of 103-103-2 teams. This year so far we are 5-6 against 56-65 teams. I’d say that’s a bit soft for a schedule. Just saying…..
December 2nd, 2015 at 11:01 am
Confidence is growing even my own.
December 2nd, 2015 at 11:26 am
Well, seeing how I am already out of the Bucs Season Prediction https://www.joebucsfan.com/2015/09/go-on-the-record/
I am reflecting on were I went wrong. First Kudos to Koetter and Warhop on getting the O-line to overachieve a bit, And Jamies for most of the time having a clock in his head to help the O-line out. Kudos to D Martin for being motivated during a contract year!!!
But what I did not see and were I was errored greatly, was how incredible/historically soft the schedule was!!!!
If I am to be wrong though, I do wish for the Bucs to make the playoffs instead of being wrong only to see the Bucs win 6-7 and get a low teens draft pick!!!!!
December 2nd, 2015 at 11:31 am
Over 63% of the people are at least confident with Lovie Smith. You’d never know it the way the regular commenters complain. Thankfully there are a lot more supporters out there than nonsensical detractors.
December 2nd, 2015 at 11:36 am
I went from little confidence to confident. Just win baby! This team had a chance to make the playoffs and I want to see them in the tournament. Playoff experience will be great for this team. And it’ll prove Lovie deserves another year.
December 2nd, 2015 at 11:40 am
Well Realist I’m still in the hunt with my 5-11 prediction. However I would gladly like to see them go on a win streak to close out the season. Even if they don’t make the playoffs, draft pick be damned. I think a flurry of wins towards the end of the season would do wonders for this team going into next season.
Oh and I piss with the wind. Last 2 weeks I voted confident, with good reason. This week I voted little confidence. Had they won @ Indy I could have very easily voted confident again. I can’t for some reason vote higher than confident or lower than little confidence. Kind of stuck somewhere in between those right now.
December 2nd, 2015 at 11:41 am
Well let’s see …. he pulled a 1,000 yard running back from the game because he was “trying to get some offense……”
Yeah…. “little.”
December 2nd, 2015 at 11:46 am
@buc1987
WHY WOULD YOU BREAK THE STREAK THEN!!!!!!!!
I guess it is all on you then, also Good health to you!!!!
December 2nd, 2015 at 11:50 am
lol
December 2nd, 2015 at 11:54 am
I have held my vote steady at “Confident” since the beginning. I believe that Lovie is an average to above-average HC. He’s done a nice job on the offensive side of the ball. I’m surprised at how poor the defense is and hope that Lovie swaps out Leslie Frazier for a better DC. I am in favor of stability with this regime.
December 2nd, 2015 at 12:01 pm
I can’t believe you all are falling for this crap, Nothings changes, YOUR ON THE BANDWAGON YOUR OFF THE BANDWAGON, There still the same old Buc’s . The team isn’t going anywhere with Lovie at the helm so you better forget that notion !! Fire Lovie will be the best thing that happen to the Buc’s .. This guy is ( no ) coach …….
December 2nd, 2015 at 12:02 pm
@newtampachris
This is how much lovie has to do with the offense
lovie says – Hey Dirk, even though you are my 3rd choice, want a Job??
dirk says – sure, I will take the job, can I wear the big Bucs floppy hat??
lovie says – no, that is for the injured during training camp.
dirk says – well go ahead and give asj one will ya!!!!
besides that and once every 2 weeks he says “we need to run the ball” when he passes Koetter in the hallway!!! Lovie probally does not even know what room the offense meets in!!!!
And lovie is the Defensive Coordinator, If you do not like the DC this year, then its Lovie you don’t like!!!!!!!
December 2nd, 2015 at 12:03 pm
What wagon are you referring to, CFI?
Seriously…. I thought the bandwagon was in Charlotte.
December 2nd, 2015 at 12:25 pm
CAN’T FIX IT …something tells me that you said the same thing about Rah and Schiano as well. If the Bucs get a new coach, more than likely you’ll be saying the same about that coach in short order.
If the Bucs started the season 5-0 everyone would have been on cloud nine. I really think that’s what it will take for some of you people to cool your engines down. Then if the team loses the next 11 games, then what? Fire the coach?
If this team closes the season winning 8 games. I hope Lovie doesn’t go anywhere at all, nor do I think he should.
Sure some teams get lucky and hire a HC that’s starts to win right out of the gate. The fans of those teams are all whipped into a frenzy because the coach is so good and their team is winning. That changes quickly once the team starts to go on a losing streak. Example : Chip Kelly, most Eagles fans want his ass gone like yesterday gone. Yet he started off looking like a great coach.
As of right now. I don’t think firing Lovie will be the answer as Chip Kelly is one of the many, many, many coaches I could name as examples.
December 2nd, 2015 at 12:45 pm
They gave Rah 3 years. Fans gave Schiano a season and a 1/4 before they were calling for his head. Now we have fans doing the same thing with Lovie at the season and a half point. I’m guilty of it too.
Do you think it will ever stop? If the next coach comes in and he starts off 0-5, then what? I guess hiring a HC is hit or miss.
I’ve seen improvement in the team. Enough even to bring Lovie back for more than just 2 years. Sure some of his personnel moves have pissed me off. Along with some of his in game decision making, but that happens to many coaches. Pete Carrol calling a pass at the goal line in the SB only to get it picked off comes to mind.
December 2nd, 2015 at 1:02 pm
I need something halfway between “little confidence” and “confident”.
December 2nd, 2015 at 1:09 pm
I slipped a notch to little confidence because of the loss at the Colts. Those banana peels are slippery like the Bucs 2nd half in that loss.
December 2nd, 2015 at 1:18 pm
@Realist
Funny. But the head coach is responsible for the whole team, so I give Lovie credit for whatever he is or isn’t doing with Jameis, Koetter and the offense. And I do blame him for the defense. I’m not a fan of a HC calling plays on either side of the ball; there’s too much other stuff to do. Find a DC that can do the whole job.
December 2nd, 2015 at 1:48 pm
I was in support of Greg Schiano until it looked like he was *creating* a QB controversy in training camp. In hindsight of course it turns out Schiano saw something the rest of us really didn’t including those in the media. Still, Schiano blatantly lied about several things regarding the team and the direction the team was going was not one towards improvement. Especially not with Mark Dominick as the GM. If Schiano was still here Mike Glennon would be our entrenched starting QB.
December 2nd, 2015 at 1:49 pm
All I want for Christmas as a free agent DB named Josh Norman.
December 2nd, 2015 at 3:22 pm
@Realist
But what I did not see and were I was errored greatly, was how incredible/historically soft the schedule was!!!!
No our schedule is not particularly soft and it’s certainly not historically so. It was easier last year when the NFC South was the dog of the conference. This year that mantle has gone to the NFC East where we would be tied for first. We are better than all the teams in that conference.
Just look at the standings. What you are underestimating is not a soft schedule but the effect of parity. This has been debated for a few years now. Is this what we want? Some fans and pundits…not me…miss having clearly dominant teams. Carolina and NE and AZ are clearly beatable but they are dominant enough for me. There are no juggernauts anymore.
The schedule simply appears weak because the entire league is mediocre to poor if we want to be honest about it. Just look at the standings…we’d be in second place in some divisions and not that far out of first. KC is 6-5…wow.
And again the freaking Colts are riding a win streak. I honestly cannot believe the arrogance of folks thinking we are so good we should just maul a team on a win streak with a red hot QB. I’m actually stunned that we were in that game in their house late in the game after the way we played. That wasn’t our A game…more like a C- or D game.
December 2nd, 2015 at 3:29 pm
With many polls you throw out the extremes..the outliers who have total confidence and no confidence only comprise 12% roughly 1 out of ten.
The majority are dead in the middle. Given the ups and downs of this season that’s probably appropriate.
It’s been a wild roller coaster ride. Are we surprised? I read a lot of our “experts” claiming that #3 would need time…2 rookies on the OL might get him killed…the defense is still finding it’s way and they ALL counseled patience..hard to know what you’re getting out of a team with so many rookies at key position…QB..MLB..40% of our offensive line.
Well all of you guys who said that were right!!! I was hoping for a little more consistency but I see the error of my 10 wins was not believing how inconsistently rookies…especially this large a group of them perform. It is what it is.
Now since we’re talking about Lovie in this poll it seems really clear to me…others can disagree…that Lovie and staff are taking the long view….that is to say they did not feel the need to win big this year and they clearly accepted there would be growing pains. Perhaps they could have done some things to win a couple more in terms of personnel but they went with the team that’s going to get us to the promised land and that’s a whole lot of ROOKIES!!!
December 2nd, 2015 at 6:19 pm
Nothing has changed. I have voted “Confident” every time.
The Pirate ship will be fully righted and the Bucs will be “relevant” in every sense of the word sooner than later assuming the Glazers (and fickle fans) continue to stay patient and not try to mess with what is already obviously working.
This team will be legitimately competing for Super Bowls on a regular basis within 2-3 years and Lovie Smith will be the HC when it happens.
December 2nd, 2015 at 9:08 pm
Great to see the vast majority have confidence in Lovie. Sometimes, you can’t tell because the Lovie Haters post so frequently. These same people will be waving the Bucs flag proudly when we win a superbowl under Lovie.
December 3rd, 2015 at 9:27 am
We can barely win 2 games in a row under Lovie. Took 2 really bad teams for that to happen. An average team comes along and we crap ourselves. But aye, lets live in fantasy land and pretend a Super Bowl is imminent. You call us Lovie haters so I’ll call you mediocrity lovers.
December 3rd, 2015 at 10:04 am
@Couch Fan
You are so right!!! If the bucs finish 6-10 or 7-9 and miss the playoffs, The sheep (lovie loyalist) will be popping champagne!!! What they don’t realize is how historically soft the schedule has been!!!!!
December 3rd, 2015 at 10:44 am
Lovie, Licht and the players all deserve credit for the progress this team has made since last year. A year ago, we loose those “easy” games. And there is stability, which is huge considering the lack there of in 2013. I expect the progress to continue. That said, if we end the season on a six game losing streak and go backward after going forward, well then Lovies time may be up. As I give credit for the growth we showed this year, there has to be blame when the team goes backward. I hope we keep building and finish strong, because I really dont want another head coaching change.
December 3rd, 2015 at 1:44 pm
A soft fragmentary team deserves an easy schedule. Five wins against a weak schedule is nothing to get excited about, unless it’s the Bucs where any win is a cause for celebration. There are no easy schedules for a weak NFL team.
December 3rd, 2015 at 7:07 pm
Last year our record was 2-14 against a grand total of 103-103-2 teams. This year so far we are 5-6 against 56-65 teams. I’d say that’s a bit soft for a schedule. Just saying…..
December 3rd, 2015 at 7:15 pm
And think about this…. You take out the Panthers at 11-0, well that’s 45-65. Not even close to .500 teams