Slower Than Tom Brady
December 8th, 2015
NFL.com provides official data
Close cousins to the spreadsheet stats salesmen, the high-tech NFL data crowd is also busy peddling nonsense.
Anyone actually watching Bucs football and other games this season can see that Jameis Winston, America’s Quarterback, is one of the most athletic quarterbacks in the NFL.
Being an athlete isn’t just about good times at glorified track meets, it’s about combining raw skill with processing information and situations — better than other guys in the same situation. And that’s Jameis.
NFL.com is tracking film down to milliseconds, and they are reporting today that ancient Tom Brady is faster than Jameis. It seems their computers and embedded devices are compiling date on the legend and the legend-in-waiting.
Winston versus Brady
Jameis Winston continues to make plays with his legs, just not very quickly. He scored his fifth rushing touchdown of the season — second-most among quarterbacks — but reached just 14.71 mph on the scramble. The lumbering Tom Brady hit 14.75 mph on a 12-yard scramble and 16.96 mph on a 36-yard trick play reception.
Joe really doesn’t know how to process this silliness, but get used to it. National eyeballs are watching America’s Quarterback, and we likely will be subjected to Jameis-is-a-bad-athlete chatter for years.
December 8th, 2015 at 10:03 am
As long as he’s enough of an athlete to be able to negotiate successful hoists of the Lombardi trophy for a few reps, I’m fine with him being classified however they want.
December 8th, 2015 at 10:15 am
And we should care because… ? All these statistics, measurements and whatever else—football shouldn’t be reduced to just numbers. The only thing that matter is a word, not a number: winning. Winston might not have enjoyed a 90 yards run and multiple touchdowns, while exhibiting incredible athleticism, but he took the team on his back and produced a come-from-behind win for us that still gives us hope to be unlikely playoff underdogs. What more is there to say?
December 8th, 2015 at 10:17 am
Is there another quarterback in the league that would have converted that 3rd & 19 with their legs?
I don’t believe there is. I don’t think, even the quarterback with the fastest 40 time in the league would have picked up that first down
December 8th, 2015 at 10:21 am
I think we can ALL AGREE that the only THING THAT REALLY MATTERS is that Jameis has a WAY BIGGER WANG!!
Thank you…..
“It’s as simple as that” – Lovie Smith
December 8th, 2015 at 10:27 am
dumb stat…who cares….GO BUCS!!!
December 8th, 2015 at 10:29 am
Measure Jameis at 12 yards or 36 yrds. Is forward speed wouldn’t be as fast as Bradys considering Jameis only ran 3-4 yrds, maybe less as he dove the final two yards.
December 8th, 2015 at 10:37 am
Joe….It puzzles me that you, on the one hand, label Jameis “America’s QB” and on the other continue to use unflattering pictures of him…..I’m baffled.
As for the speed…..Glennon is faster than Jameis and I simply can’t see Glennon ever making a play like that.
The key ingredients mixed with speed is will & fearlessness……Jameis has those.
December 8th, 2015 at 11:00 am
Jameis does not RUN FAST!!! He RUNS SMART!!! He doesn’t try to beat you with speed… When he scrambles he’s constantly looking for holes, trying to hold off defenders with pump fakes. The only other QB I think could have done that 3rd and 19 scramble is Can Newton because that run demanded a lot of physical toughness and a big bodied guy that’s difficult to bring down
December 8th, 2015 at 11:20 am
Did anyone watch the touchdown he ran at FSU against Oklahoma State, it wasn’t speed then either, it’s want to its that “it” they talk about. Who cares who is faster, can you make the play.
December 8th, 2015 at 11:30 am
well the scramble was only like 5-7 yards lol… of course his MPH would be less than someone running 12 or 36 yards in full stride.
Either way this gets back to a point I made all offseason about Mariota’s speed not translating to bailing out the O-line.
Jaws and other analysts thought that with Tampa Bay’s bad O-line (lol now at that); that Winston would take more sacks than Mariota because Mariota’s speed would bail him out.
Winston takes sacks only 8.4% of the time this year while pressured. Meanwhile Mariota has taken a sack over 30% of the time he is pressured (or almost 4 X as many sacks in similar pressure). Winston has always had a good feel for the pocket and that is way more important than straight line speed.
There’s a good article on ESPN comparing the two using a lot of #s like this. Essentially they say Winston has been the better player (which is insane considering it’s espn)
December 8th, 2015 at 11:37 am
All scrambles aren’t equal…
December 8th, 2015 at 11:39 am
Seriously…how the hell do they even measure MPH. It’s not like players run in a straight line from point A to B! Sometimes they have to cut and even pause to let a defender blow by them. How do they allow for this? I’m serious if anybody has an idea how even the most terrific technology could make this happen?
December 8th, 2015 at 11:43 am
Patrick in VA…
Nailed it.
December 8th, 2015 at 11:57 am
National coverage isn’t really what it’s cracked up to be lol.
Just less informed, more bloated, click baiting dorks.
December 8th, 2015 at 12:15 pm
Let’s say Jameis is on a train going 80mph and tom Brady is on a train goin 90mph, how long with it take each QB to reach Main Street, USA which is 132.756 miles from their destination?
The fact that anyone clocks the doors of these two QB’s is silliness indeed.
December 8th, 2015 at 1:00 pm
Only Joe would care. He has to write another Jameis story. HE won the game. It has been RUN into the ground. The Bucs are a 500 team . They are the same team that almost lost another game in the same old fashion. They too were circling the drain and may still be if things go the wrong way. Especially if Winston and Barth have to save every game.
December 8th, 2015 at 2:19 pm
Mike Vick can probably still run faster than either Winston or Brady, but nobody would start Vick over either of them.
If you surveyed all 32 teams about which current NFL player they would choose to build a franchise around starting today, Winston would get the lion’s share of the votes.
December 8th, 2015 at 2:23 pm
Any comparisons to Tom Brady are ok
December 8th, 2015 at 4:36 pm
BTW The talking heads were on the NFL net comparing which QB run this Saturday was the best…MM’s long run…Blaine Gabbert had an excellent run against the Bears…and of course the legendary run by #3.
#3 won hands down. It was not only amazing…it basically won the game when he completed the pass to make that run count.
December 8th, 2015 at 5:55 pm
OneLove is my new favorite poster…he is the G.O.A.T.
F#ck their MPH and blah blah blah
give me results! don’t care if he runs 5 mph as long as he’s leaving fools in the dirt and diving over pylons…He looks pretty damn athletic when he does that sh!t!
December 8th, 2015 at 9:23 pm
Typical national sports talking heads blowing it out their you-know-where. Gawd forbid they praise Tampa Bay. Brady’s getting long-in-the-tooth anyway just like Payton Manning.
December 13th, 2015 at 12:25 pm
Joe,
I know science and math is not something you know well but the way they can show Tom Brady runs faster is based on that. The film now is shot with very good cameras and with the help of computers this is as easy as you typing a sentence to calculate. It is not magic or wrong. Why does Brady being faster matter? Does it make Winston less of a player to you? He makes great plays running in spite of his speed. Other factors play into it. Have you ever wondered how the A-Train could make huge runs when most of the defense was as fast or faster? Speed is not the only factor. For those talking about 3-5 yards vs. a greater distance, please remember that it is not really relevant. Speed can be reached in 3-5 yards (9-15 feet). Brady probably runs faster because he knows if he gets caught and hit hard he will be like Peyton is today… I would run fast as heck too if that was at stake. I would bet Glennon is faster or in the same realm also as Winston. But the fight he has to make extra yards happen is not in Glennon so that is the difference. Fast is nice but elusive is better. Everyone calm down, there are things that he does not have to be best in to be a good qb. The sky is not falling if someone can throw a ball farther, run faster, jump higher, have better mechanics…. Winning games is all that matters. Montana was not the best looking athlete either and he has 4 rings so lets focus on what matters. Winston needs to continue to get better, protect himself, inspire his team and stay out of trouble. So far so good there. Team needs to improve and if all of those things happen we are then in a place to compete for what actually matters. Super Bowls. No one cares about anything but wins and super bowls. Both can be done with many different skills and strategies. Why on earth people want to throw mud on one way or another is beyond me. Just win and the rest is going to work out just fine.
I am proud of how he has played this year and steadily improved. Stop comparing him to MM (FYI I supported getting him BTW) it is not going to change anything. He is on a different team. He plays a completely different style of offense which also makes comparing them very hard. MM is a west coast type passer vs. JW is more of a vertical (Don “Air” Corell) passer. Requires different skills. JW is a good fit with our style of play. Brady is also a west coast guy (the pats actually run a Erhardt-Perkins scheme) but they embrace many WCO concepts. Because Brady like MM is not a strong armed guy. They are short to medium passers who dink and dunk you to death. Winston is not that kinda guy. Its not a problem though because the style of offense and QB we have also produces hall of famers (Aikman, Big Ben his SB year, Joe Flacco his SB year, Kurt Warner when he went to and won SB, etc) as well. Lets just all be happy we are in the playoff hunt for the first time in a long time (we had a different president last time that happened). One game at a time to get to where we want to go.