More Benching On Lovie’s Mind
November 10th, 2015
Lovie opens up on radio
There’s a new Lovie Smith in town.
He’s more emotional on the sidelines, and he’s not tolerating repeated mistakes.
The new Lovie is impacting various areas of the team. Just look at all the guys benched on defense. Bruce Carter, Alterraun Verner, recently cut Tim Jennings, Johnthan Banks and Mike Jenkins. There are examples on offense, too.
The Buccaneers are on pace to set the NFL single-season record for penalties. And Lovie thinks the next step might be planting more guys on their asses.
“We have to do more [to stop penalties related to discipline],” Lovie told the Buccaneers Radio Network last night. “All the way up to possibly even taking guys out of the game. You know, you probably don’t want to play if you continue to make the same mistakes over and over again. And I don’t think that’s the case with a lot of our guys. But sometimes maybe it’s just that. Let them sit for a while. It shouldn’t really be that hard.”
Joe appreciates that Lovie is adapting and adjusting in various ways. And Joe admires how Lovie has handled the development of his prized rookie quarterback since April. And to think some people thought Mike Glennon should have been competing with Jameis Winston, America’s Quarterback, or Jameis should be held back and told be a quiet rookie. Sheeeesh!
Now if Lovie can somehow coach up his defense and win games, then Joe might just have to be a Lovie t-shirt.
November 10th, 2015 at 9:36 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/11/10/lovie-gerald-mccoy-lavonte-david-havent-been-good-enough/#comments
So few Lovie defenders, it’s impressive. People realize he’s not good enough.
November 10th, 2015 at 9:39 am
I SAW LOVIE GET EMOTIONAL ON THE SIDELINE HOLY MOLLY !!!!!!!!!!! BOUT TIME.
November 10th, 2015 at 9:45 am
benching players who don’t believe in or buy into his rigid system is just going to speed up the implosion. Lovie is the main problem with Buccaneer football no one else. LVD, Verner, Banks and others including mccoy were much better under other defensive systems and coaches. Look at all the talented players that were not good enough to be buccaneers having success elsewhere. the glazers should bench the main problem and that is clearly lovie smith.
November 10th, 2015 at 9:45 am
This issue is that the last few games we are seeing “desperate” lovie, and some are liking his adjustments ( over a year late ). if he makes it though and keeps his job he will revert back to old lovie. And will most likely gut this defensive personal again that he put together. Then when it does not work ( again ) the sheep will say they need time to gel!!!!!
@joe
I am starting to hear some chatter from/about players and coaches on the defense, and it does not sound good about what is going on, for that side of the team!!!!
November 10th, 2015 at 9:48 am
Cheers to that Joe.
Assuming benching players makes them play better, there’s still 2 guys on defense that need to sit a bit.
November 10th, 2015 at 10:04 am
“…..and he’s not tolerating repeated mistakes.”
Says the desperate head coach that hasn’t looked in the mirror!!
November 10th, 2015 at 10:13 am
If Lovie has woken up and realized that he and his coaching staff have to change and improve, then I am all for him sticking around another year or two to allow that time to happen. Maybe Jameis is now leading the cosching staff into the winners group.
November 10th, 2015 at 10:13 am
How can Lovie coach up a bunch of scrubs on defense into an elite defense? They need better talent but hey, Belicheat can do it (he’s only been coaching there forever with tom brady as his qb), Marvin Lewis can do it (he’s only been coaching there forever with dalton and great skill position players). What about Andy Ried who had a great 1st year in Kansas city and has gone down each season since then.Lovie should absolutely do better than them in a season and a half. I mean the other buc coaches were able to pull chiken soup out of chicken sh!t. LOL
November 10th, 2015 at 10:15 am
This is real journalism and or bloggerism right here.
November 10th, 2015 at 10:20 am
What about when the coach keeps making the same mistakes over and over again?
November 10th, 2015 at 10:26 am
OK Joe,
I was wrong about wanting Glennon to compete w/ Americas
Quarterback Jameis Winston.
But you were wrong to want Manziel in the draft last year
…and two wrongs don’t make a right.
November 10th, 2015 at 10:29 am
@Joe
We demand the “Lovie Confidence Poll”!!!!
November 10th, 2015 at 10:39 am
Where was this coach 20 something games ago
November 10th, 2015 at 10:45 am
And to think we have to keep using the kicker to put points on the board most of the time or the defense to score also. And Winston will not be the QB if he does not quit the fancy fly through the air Goal Line stunts. Because he is going to get his head taken off.
November 10th, 2015 at 10:48 am
Problem is most of the guys we are benching wouldn’t be starting for 29other teams in the first place. We lack talent on defense espesially in the secondary. When an undrafted rookie makes his first start and looks no worse than the rest thats a problem.
November 10th, 2015 at 10:59 am
“So few Lovie defenders, it’s impressive. People realize he’s not good enough.”
Coaches who are NOT good enough don’t win multiple division titles, have 6 playoff appearances, and lead Rex Grossman to a Super Bowl!
“benching players who don’t believe in or buy into his rigid system is just going to speed up the implosion. Lovie is the main problem with Buccaneer football no one else.”
Players who don’t believe in his system or who aren’t PLAYING well enough even after the SCHEME has been adjusted to put them in the BEST position to make a play? Lovie has played A LOT more Man to Man coverage this year because the zone gaps were as big as your mouth(with my wang in it)!!
“LVD, Verner, Banks and others including mccoy were much better under other defensive systems and coaches. Look at all the talented players that were not good enough to be buccaneers having success elsewhere.”
Jonathan Banks has ALWAYS been overrated! I had HIGH hopes for Verner, but maybe there was a reason why we got him at such a discount!(compared to other CB asking prices) These guys just lost THEIR JOBS to a couple of guys named “Sterling Moore and Jude Adjei-Barimah!”!(who played pretty damn good!) That’s almost as bad as Mike Glennon losing his job to Josh McCown!! McCoy not playing well??? Yup, it HAS to be Lovie Smith and has NOTHING to do with the fact that he is injured!(keep telling yourself that). On to the GREAT Lavonte David! This guy is in “POSITION” to make plays, but is missing tackles and dropping INT’s(WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SYSTEM OR THE SCHEME!!). Oh and forgive me for wanting this guy to HAVE A LITTLE MORE RESPONSIBILITY!! He is getting paid like a superstar so he SHOULD HAVE MORE RESPONSIBILITY!! A guy that get’s paid like a superstar shouldn’t be a 1 trick BLITZ EVERY DOWN LB PONY! Is it possible that he is just OVERRATED because he played next to Mason Foster all those years!?!? Mason Foster and Leonard Johnson wouldn’t be on the list of players that have found success elsewhere would they??
November 10th, 2015 at 11:03 am
destro44 Says:
November 10th, 2015 at 10:48 am
Problem is most of the guys we are benching wouldn’t be starting for 29other teams in the first place. We lack talent on defense espesially in the secondary. When an undrafted rookie makes his first start and looks no worse than the rest thats a problem.
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Not according to the “non-sensical radicals”! In their minds, we have 11 PRO BOWLERS on defense who are victims of BAD COACHING and a POOR SCHEME!!
November 10th, 2015 at 11:18 am
Lovie is the one who cut darrell revis. We paid a first rd pick and got nothing back for him.???????
Then he said we can use:
tim jennings (cut) , chris conte (needs to be cut, alteran verner ( needs to be cut) mike jenkins (needs to be cut) and jonathon banks( needs some coaching and to get healthy) instead. It hasn’t worked out all that well
He got to hand pick his roster and he just figured out in week 9 that they suck? What was training camp for. Belicheck could have figured this one out in 45 minutes.
They traded dashon godson ( who has 66 tackles this year) while we have chris conte who has 50 tackles and right now is probably literally on fire from being burned so many times.
I think we should elevate Koetter to head coach and bring back schiano or morris as defensive coordinator.
November 10th, 2015 at 11:19 am
OneLove Says:
November 10th, 2015 at 10:59 am
“So few Lovie defenders, it’s impressive. People realize he’s not good enough.”
Coaches who are NOT good enough don’t win multiple division titles, have 6 playoff appearances, and lead Rex Grossman to a Super Bowl!
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We keep going over this, but OneLove clearly believes Lovie, Ken Whisenhunt and Jim Caldwell are significantly better coaches than Bruce Arians. I’d like to see him post this nonsense elsewhere but he knows he’d get even more destroyed than he does here.
True story: If we offered the Cardinals Jameis straight up for Arians, they might accept. Maybe. Probably not even, because they made the playoffs last year with Drew Stanton and Ryan Lindley the majority of the season. Top level coaches matter. Losers like Lovie? Only if you wanna enjoy January’s doing nothing.
November 10th, 2015 at 11:32 am
Lovie’s feeling the pressure….
November 10th, 2015 at 11:36 am
@bucrightoff
Why would I be afraid of posting “facts” elsewhere?? Destroyed like I am here?? I’m not the one that’s getting shut down. I’m not the one that’s posting assumptions. I’m not the one coming up with all these DUMB scenarios about trading Jameis for Bruce Arians!! My advice… Look up the definition of “nonsense” and then look at yourself in the mirror. I’ll continue to keep you in my thoughts and prayers.
November 10th, 2015 at 11:39 am
And I’ll continue mailing you new kneepads so that you don’t suffer permanent damage from being under Lovie’s desk OneLove. You’re just stupid enough to think getting to the Super Bowl is the sign of a good coach. Hint: It’s not.
November 10th, 2015 at 11:42 am
First thing first:
Joe scolding the Mike Glennon Mob?
Who as it that was totally hollering for the Bucs to draft “Johnny Football” last year???? Certainly not the Joes!
Now on to new business…….
No truth to the rumor that Lovie voted in the “Lovie Confidence Poll” and checked “little confidence…..
November 10th, 2015 at 11:50 am
@Tom Edrington
the 4,000 dollar question is what would the defensive roster vote for the “Lovie Confidence Poll”!!!!
My friends and true Buc fans, There are more sheep left than we thought around here!!!!
A desperate lovie is a dangerous lovie
November 10th, 2015 at 11:50 am
“You’re just stupid enough to think getting to the Super Bowl is the sign of a good coach. Hint: It’s not.”
LMAO! I see you haven’t looked up the word “nonsense” yet.
Where do you get these guys Joseph!?!?!
“If it was EASY, EVERYONE WOULD DO IT!!”
November 10th, 2015 at 11:58 am
OneLove, by default of your grading of coaches, a Super Bowl coach has to be better than a non-Super Bowl coach right? So again, according to you, Lovie, Whisenhunt and Caldwell are better at coaching than Arians.
The Bears didn’t make the Super Bowl because of Lovie. They made it in spite of Lovie. Take Lovie off the team and put Ron Rivera in there? Still going to the Super Bowl. Take Devin Hester off that team and keep Lovie? 7-9 at best. I know your brain is fried from what’s approaching 700 days of Lovie shots in your mouth, so even with your spectacularly stupid takes, I apply the context of how messed up your brain is and it kinda makes sense (albeit it kind of demented).
The end is coming man, I know you don’t even like doing it anymore, and soon you won’t have to. And then you can go be a Lovie Smith fan for another team. It’s as simple as that
November 10th, 2015 at 12:16 pm
I love that everyone on here thinks that they know more about football than an NFL coach and NFL GMs. It’s absolutely absurd. I don’t always agree with Lovie, but I do see what he and Light are doing and I’m good with their plan. Lovie and he decided to build the offense and let Lovie play with scrubs until the third draft, which will be next year. It takes more than 2 years to rebuild an awful team that has sucked for about 10 years now. I see the improvement and I know the Glazers do too, barring catastrophe, Lovie will get another year to complete he and Lights plan for rebuilding. Thank god the people running this team are more pragmatic and realistic than many of the posters on this and other Buc sights. Go Bucs!
November 10th, 2015 at 12:18 pm
“OneLove, by default of your grading of coaches, a Super Bowl coach has to be better than a non-Super Bowl coach right? So again, according to you, Lovie, Whisenhunt and Caldwell are better at coaching than Arians.
The Bears didn’t make the Super Bowl because of Lovie. They made it in spite of Lovie. Take Lovie off the team and put Ron Rivera in there? Still going to the Super Bowl. Take Devin Hester off that team and keep Lovie? 7-9 at best. I know your brain is fried from what’s approaching 700 days of Lovie shots in your mouth, so even with your spectacularly stupid takes, I apply the context of how messed up your brain is and it kinda makes sense (albeit it kind of demented).
The end is coming man, I know you don’t even like doing it anymore, and soon you won’t have to. And then you can go be a Lovie Smith fan for another team. It’s as simple as that”
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bucrightoff, by default you’re an idiot. Just when I thought you couldn’t get ANY DUMBER, you come up with a post like this! I have to take a moment to pause and semi-applaud this complete lack of intelligence!! Bravo Sir!! I understand that in the “non-sensical radical” mind that Lovie Smith get’s NONE of the Credit and ALL of the BLAME, but the IMAGINATION in your post takes it to the next level!
Go ahead and keep telling yourself whatever it is you need to make yourself feel better. Like I said before, I will continue to pray for you…..
“It’s as simple as that” – Lovie Smith
“Changing coaches about halfway through a rebuilding effort is a recipe for perpetual failure.” – Johnny “America’s Commenter” Dejay
“If Lovie don’t no how to coach so be it… Hard to believe he would get a job offer and you wouldn’t…. Wonder why??? Your idiots that’s why…” – JAB83
“So my advice would be, yes, it’s okay to throw things at your TV when your team has a monumental collapse like the Bucs did on Sunday in Washington. But take a deep breath and understand that it is only going to get worse if you continue to jump from one coach to the next.” – Peter King
November 10th, 2015 at 12:21 pm
“BrooklynBucsFan Says:
November 10th, 2015 at 12:16 pm
I love that everyone on here thinks that they know more about football than an NFL coach and NFL GMs. It’s absolutely absurd. I don’t always agree with Lovie, but I do see what he and Light are doing and I’m good with their plan. Lovie and he decided to build the offense and let Lovie play with scrubs until the third draft, which will be next year. It takes more than 2 years to rebuild an awful team that has sucked for about 10 years now. I see the improvement and I know the Glazers do too, barring catastrophe, Lovie will get another year to complete he and Lights plan for rebuilding. Thank god the people running this team are more pragmatic and realistic than many of the posters on this and other Buc sights. Go Bucs!”
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Preaching to the choir baby!! Keep it coming!!
“It’s as simple as that” – Lovie Smith
“Changing coaches about halfway through a rebuilding effort is a recipe for perpetual failure.” – Johnny “America’s Commenter” Dejay
“If Lovie don’t no how to coach so be it… Hard to believe he would get a job offer and you wouldn’t…. Wonder why??? Your idiots that’s why…” – JAB83
“So my advice would be, yes, it’s okay to throw things at your TV when your team has a monumental collapse like the Bucs did on Sunday in Washington. But take a deep breath and understand that it is only going to get worse if you continue to jump from one coach to the next.” – Peter King
November 10th, 2015 at 12:21 pm
Weren’t you all saying he needed to get tougher on the team just a day or so ago?
He does it and boom, still not good enough.
You all suck.
November 10th, 2015 at 12:27 pm
OneLove Says:
November 10th, 2015 at 12:18 pm
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bucrightoff, by default you’re an idiot. Just when I thought you couldn’t get ANY DUMBER, you come up with a post like this! I have to take a moment to pause and semi-applaud this complete lack of intelligence!! Bravo Sir!! I understand that in the “non-sensical radical” mind that Lovie Smith get’s NONE of the Credit and ALL of the BLAME, but the IMAGINATION in your post takes it to the next level!
Go ahead and keep telling yourself whatever it is you need to make yourself feel better. Like I said before, I will continue to pray for you…..
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I feel fine thanks. Your esophagus and knees though? I’m definitely praying for you. We all love these trolls posts, it keeps us at work entertained. Someone has to supplement your income right? We support you in more ways than you know my man. You keep sucking, we’ll keep working so you can eat more than Lovie’s nuts.
November 10th, 2015 at 12:31 pm
@bucrightoff…arians went to the super bowl with big ben in pittsburg…onelove is completely right…the talent is the problem with the bucs defense…lovie made the super bowl with great coaching which resulted in a dominate defense and special teams…peyton had to beat out rex grossman for a title which isn’t hard to due…lovie was the one that drafted hester so you cant say the man doesn’t recognize talent…lovie got fired after an 10-6 season…bucs fans would kill for a 10-6 season and lovie is the man to give it to us…just one question…for all those wanting lovie ousted who do you suggest the bucs hire? don’t say dirk because he wont get the job done..if that was the case he would’ve been hired for the atl job…sorry to break it to you and the bucsrealist but lovie has at least another 2years here so get use to it…getting to the super bowl requires 3 things…talent,coaching and luck…lovie has zero talent to work with on the defense and has been on the wrong side of luck…GO BUCS!!!
November 10th, 2015 at 12:36 pm
Arians was the Steelers head coach? Must have totally missed that one. By that logic Lovie went to the Super Bowl with the Rams too. And by the way, Lovie Smith has now missed the playoffs 7 times in his last 8 seasons as a coach. That’s not a good coach by any measure.
And wanna guess who’s responsible for the majority of our defense? Hint: 80% of the players were acquired after Lovie got here. These are his choices for his denfese. Wanna blame a lack of talent? How about blaming Lovie? He didn’t cut the best corner in the game did he. Oh wait….
The excuse making for Lovie is staggering and really sad and indicative of fans who just have very low expectations. Lovie has coached 168 NFL games, you can look pretty deep on his track record (another hint: it’s not that good). I’m guessing not even Gruden got this level of excuse making and he sort of won us the Super Bowl.
November 10th, 2015 at 12:46 pm
The defense is on it’s way to complete implosion. just watch what happens over the next 27 days……..it will come to a head.
I have heard the same chatter bucs realist…..not good, not good at all.
November 10th, 2015 at 1:26 pm
What remedies does Lovie have other than benching a player……
Chew them out…
Fine them
Embarrass them in front of fans/teammates
Call them out with the press
Cut them
Deactivate them the next week
Make them run laps….do push-ups
Seems like benching isn’t one of the worse choices….
November 10th, 2015 at 1:28 pm
When you look at the Bucs defense, who do you see that could start on at least 75% of the other teams? GMC and LaVonte for sure. Kwon, maybe. Banks, probably not. That’s how thin the talent is on this defense.
Would having Darrelle Revis help? Sure, but as good as he is, it’s hard to make a case that the Bucs would have won very many more of the 24 games. Teams would just continue to shred the opposite corner and the middle of the field.
Did whiffing on Ghost Johnson hurt the Bucs? They spent a ton of cash on him, but there wasn’t anyone else in unrestricted free agency who would have been significantly better at the DE position last season, and the dead money hit this season didn’t prevent the Bucs from signing a replacement. Finding a stud pass rusher is one of the most difficult personnel tasks. The Cowboys were desperate enough to take on Greg Hardy and all his baggage because pass rushers are so rare. The Bucs took a swing and they missed. It happens.
Did trading Mark Barron hurt the Bucs? No, he was just awful at safety. Jeff Fisher seems to have found a home for him at weakside linebacker with the Rams, but Barron is still not anywhere near the talent of LaVonte David, even in a down year.
Did cutting Dashon Gholdson hurt the Bucs? No, he was an overpaid bone-crushing safety in an era where safeties are not allowed to hit anymore. He’s a very cool guy with great leadership abilities, but that wasn’t worth the contract and the liability on the field.
The bottom line is the talent on defense is very thin, and the Bucs have chosen to invest their draft picks in offense. This is not Lovie’s hand-picked defense, it’s a rag-tag bunch of guys that were the best options at the time.
If we’re patient enough to give Lovie and Licht two more drafts where they can focus on defense and they have the same success rate they’ve had on offense, this will be one heck of a team with a young nucleus that will be dominant for a long time.
November 10th, 2015 at 1:39 pm
ONELOVE
“Coaches who are NOT good enough don’t win multiple division titles, have 6 playoff appearances, and lead Rex Grossman to a Super Bowl!”
That is great……..if you are a BEARS FAN!
We have the not so great 5-19 (1-11 at home (WTF?!)) with a 29th ranked defense (allowed points) and an 18th ranked offense (points).
November 10th, 2015 at 2:00 pm
bucrightoff..there you have it..lovie has made it to the superbowl not once but twice…to say he cant coach is just a clueless and stupid comment…so you must think bill cower is a great coach huh..or mike tomlin…or andy reid…those coaches have won “A” superbowl…how many times has cower been to the playoffs and come up short? what about tomlin and reid? if it was so easy to win a super bowl everyone would have won..theres only one coach in the nfl to consistently get his team to play at an elite level and that bill in new England..fans are just crazy…go to a packers blog and people are questioning their head coach…i don’t care about what lovie did or didn’t do while he was in chi town…I care about the now and future…no one remembers how horrible the seahawks were pete carrolls first couple of seasons…he is a superbowl champ..did he get their because of dan Quinn, the talent he drafted or his coaching?…as I said the key is continuous improvement…what were you expecting after a 4-12 season when lovie got here? 14-2? 12-4?…if you can sit here and say lovie inherited a talent rich team that were only missing a few pieces with a str8 face then i’ll listen you what you have a say but until then everything you say regarding lovie is complete BS!!!…GO BUCS!!!
November 10th, 2015 at 2:09 pm
@Johnny “America’s Commenter” Dejay
You are absolutely correct sir…..we don’t have the talent…..and the talent we have isn’t playing to their potential.
We have a bunch of UDFA….& FA castoffs…..they are not starters anywhere else…
Talent we have that aren’t performing……GMC, LVD, Banks, Verner
Talent we have that is performing…..Kwon…but lacks some experience
November 10th, 2015 at 2:09 pm
@johnny…totally agree…some people think you can squeeze wine out of lemons…until we get the talent on defensetheres nothing much lovie can do…and what rumbles out of the locker room has everyone heard that cant be good? if players cant grasp the defense then sit down and learn while someone else plays…its the second year playing in this defense..how many years does it take? GO BUCS!!!
November 10th, 2015 at 2:13 pm
Lovie Smith losses twice as many games against teams .500 or better than he wins. He is the definition of a bottom feeder. I didn’t make that up, go look it up. Somehow, a guy who statistically speaking is virtually impossible to win a Super Bowl is a great coach.
Seriously, 34% winning percentage against .500 or better teams, 3 playoff years in 11 seasons, and only 1 in the last 8. And people consider that without a doubt a great coach. I don’t like pitying people, but I really pity those who think Lovie is a coaching God. Clearly some people with exceptionally low standards. Must live miserable lives constantly settling for the bottom.
November 10th, 2015 at 2:55 pm
@bucrightoff
I’m actually starting to feel sorry for you now. No one here thinks Lovie Smith is a coaching God!(further evidence of your lack of intelligence) However, I do think that he is a better option than MOST coaches that are potential candidates to replace him! I don’t know how you choose to ignore all these GREAT points by “America’s Commenter”,”bucboi813″, and “Tampabaybucfan”?
Have you been saved??? Have you asked Jesus to come into your heart and rid you of all your hatred??? It shouldn’t be a burden for you to carry all that hatred alone. Go with God my son.
“It’s as simple as that” – Lovie Smith
“Changing coaches about halfway through a rebuilding effort is a recipe for perpetual failure.” – Johnny “America’s Commenter” Dejay
“If Lovie don’t no how to coach so be it… Hard to believe he would get a job offer and you wouldn’t…. Wonder why??? Your idiots that’s why…” – JAB83
“So my advice would be, yes, it’s okay to throw things at your TV when your team has a monumental collapse like the Bucs did on Sunday in Washington. But take a deep breath and understand that it is only going to get worse if you continue to jump from one coach to the next.” – Peter King
November 10th, 2015 at 2:55 pm
Lovie has done a good job with roookie QB development so far, and the Offense. However he achieved this, it was done under his watch, and ability. You can throw in all the x factors, and solo abilities of others, but the man is doing fine on that side of the ball with his team.
The Glazers hired him to bring Defense back to Tampa, and so far he has failed. The Free Agent D players he has brought in under his watch have been a disaster, the players who were already here, and we have all been waiting see take over his simple D philosophy, and allow them to “play fast” in this scheme have all regressed, for 2 years. Supposedly he needs to draft a bunch of rookies, and that will fix everything starting next year, yea right.
I don’t know at this point if he will be back next year, but the needle better start moving up this week with a win.
If he is losing the players, and the locker room in general, he will be fired, “simple as that”.
If the players are sitting around crying and moaning because it is hard, and it was easy to get the last 2 coaches fired with their loser attitude, then he needs to keep getting rid of them, and probably still get fired for signing one of them to a monster deal.
Gerald huggie-man McCoy, will probably still be here regardless, and keep politicking for his top 100 player crap during the game.
November 10th, 2015 at 2:56 pm
813bucboi
you and others are entitled to your opinions and I respect that however, history is not on your side. Loive at best is an average to below average coach and a horrendous personnel man who has done long term damage to both the bucs and bears with bad contracts, bad free agent signings and poor coaching. You have every right to be patient and make excuses for Lovie. His passive nature and poor in game decision making is not going to get the bucs to the next level. I don’t need to repeat the stats that bucrightoff posted above but those are not stats of a winner nor a quality head coach that an average and reasonable person would have confidence in. I am not going to pigeon hole the lovie supporters but there is a small segment on this site that would be content with the bucs being 0-16 every year as long as a dungy clone running any variant of a cover2 defense with a team full of choirboys that is not acceptable and living in the past is stupid and serves no purpose. I am not a member of that segment. I am a fan who wants results without excuses. Your guy lovie made it very clear that fans “Should NOT” be patient that there was plenty of talent to win now. Lovie blew up the oline without a plan. There would not have been a need to use two 2nd round picks on o linemen if Lovie had not blown the line up prematurely and did not have a bust free agent at left tackle which he gambled on with a player who never was a full time starter yet lovie gave him full time starter money. Yes he is responsible for every personnel mistake since he has arrived. Lovie has final say on every player transaction. I don’t want to hear about cap either the bucs were well under the cap last year and this season. If Lovie had not made so many personnel mistakes they would not have been forced to go majority offense two drafts in a row. he could have used a 2nd on a de or cb but no Lovies mistakes forced the hand of the gm to have to draft 2 olineman this year. Again, you guys want to make excuses why there were no defensive players drafted Lovie’s mistakes forced the team to revamp the oline He also hand picked 5 defensive players over the last 2 years that failed again when you have full control you must accept full responsibility with NO excuses. Winners win and losers make excuse. Lovies 5-19 record and 1-11 home record is abysmal for any coach much less a 12 year veteran head coach. Lovie is responsible for this disaster and should pay the price with his job.
November 10th, 2015 at 3:02 pm
Onelove
Have you been saved??? Have you asked Jesus to come into your heart and rid you of all your hatred??? It shouldn’t be a burden for you to carry all that hatred alone. Go with God my son.
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you are simply a pathetic hypocrite… One minute you are wang this wang that then you want to pull out some religious bs… dude you have zero credibility and are a total embarrassment to the human race.
Results are the only thing that matters everything else is excuses and or BS it’s not that anyone hates lovie they hate the results that HE has produced. the fool you support is 5-19 and 1-11 those are facts not hate but facts.
November 10th, 2015 at 3:17 pm
OneLove Says:
November 10th, 2015 at 2:55 pm
@bucrightoff
I’m actually starting to feel sorry for you now. No one here thinks Lovie Smith is a coaching God!(further evidence of your lack of intelligence) However, I do think that he is a better option than MOST coaches that are potential candidates to replace him! I don’t know how you choose to ignore all these GREAT points by “America’s Commenter”,”bucboi813″, and “Tampabaybucfan”?
Have you been saved??? Have you asked Jesus to come into your heart and rid you of all your hatred??? It shouldn’t be a burden for you to carry all that hatred alone. Go with God my son.
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“God Hates Us All” – Slayer
And what great points? That we should make sure Lovie has a loaded roster before we can judge? So basically, until Lovie gets lots of good players (essentially saying coaching is not important), we can’t judge? Isn’t that judging him to be pretty poor at coaching up players? That he needs talent to win and can’t be expected to maximize what he has?
If that’s the argument to keep Lovie, you’ve essentially said he’s not a good enough coach to win without a loaded roster. Which is more or less the point of most people against Lovie. Any coach can succeed with a loaded roster. Only good coaches can succeed with less than stellar teams. It’s like WAR with baseball, Lovie is likely negative wins against a replacement level coach.
November 10th, 2015 at 3:46 pm
I don’t get it. I really don’t. Now people are pissed at Lovie because his emotions are different than yours?!??? Seriously??
I played football and golf and am extremely competitive but I’m kit an emotional guy. I’d be horrible in a game show because in notvthectupecti jump and down and scream.
Lovie is that guy.
So was Landry. So is Belicheck. So are many other coaches.
A rah rah emotional guy with a temper or a steady guy? I don’t really care. It is irrelevant.
November 10th, 2015 at 3:49 pm
Tmaxcon.
You obviously don’t know Lovies record with the Bears. He has a couple bad seasons, some while rebuilding, otherwise it’s a great track record. His downfall was never having a QB.
November 10th, 2015 at 3:51 pm
Dave
People are pissed at lovie because he has made mistake after mistake personnel wise and produced poor results record wise. he took over a bad team and he has made it worse. Koetter in less time has produced a much improved offense while Lovie’s defense regresses each week and can’t hold a lead.
November 10th, 2015 at 3:56 pm
Dave
he has a mediocre record with the bears. he is lifetime 3-3 playoff record and is barley over .500 as a head coach. hardly great record with the bears sir. He won 2 playoff games the super bowl run and then only 1 playoff game after. sorry hardly a consistent contender nor consistent winner. if you are happy with 9-9 or 8-8 and one and done in the playoffs every few years that’s your problem but the facts are lovie has NEVER won consistently nor contended consistently his entire career and the stats back that up.
November 10th, 2015 at 3:57 pm
9-7 or 8-8….
November 10th, 2015 at 4:32 pm
Come on Joe,
“And to think some people thought Mike Glennon should have been competing with Jameis Winston”
So we gift the job to another first round draft choice? Who had only had 2 years as a college starter, I will admit he is looking to be improving as a NFL player. But as Bad as our team has been we need players to work toward being the starter, not have the position gifted to them because they are a first round draft choice.
Why work harder to learn your craft then the guy who was here last season? Instant gratification nation…. ?
Yes I do know he was drafted first but you still make him work for it.
Go Bucs!
November 10th, 2015 at 4:33 pm
@ Bucrightoff
I suspect you began your “fire Lovie” campaign……a long time ago….hoping that you would have some influence……how’s that working out for you?
I would agree to firing Lovie if I knew the alternative…..but that isn’t possible.
I would even be OK with giving Koetter a shot….but doubt that would happen either.
I simply feel there is a better chance that with another draft & off-season that things will improve. I think the Glazers agree. So….strap yourself in for what is likely another year of Lovie….
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November 10th, 2015 at 4:42 pm
Oh I accept the Glazers are terrible owners and regardless whether it’s Lovie or some other coach, we’re in for a rough ride as long as they own this team. Clearly they don’t care and MUFC is all that matters, but who could blame them? Multi-billion team at the height of the sports world, or the 67th most relevant team in North American sports?
As to the alternative, why do people go with this? It’s essentially saying we have little to no chance to get a better coach than Lovie. Do you seriously believe there aren’t dozens of coaches who couldn’t have us at 5-19 through 24 games? I’m guessing not many had Mike Zimmer as a COTY by year two, threatening to win the division, yet here we are.
I suppose my counter to the alternative talk: Can we really hire that much worse of a coach than Lovie? Are people convinced the next hire is guaranteed to be worse than Lovie?
November 10th, 2015 at 5:06 pm
tmaxcon…the only olinemen that lovie released that are still any good were penn(being paid too much for his production) and zuttah(inconsistent play)…davin joseph and trueblood were trash…as I stated before lovie and licht have a plan and have done a great job of executing it starting with bringing in your players and building thru the draft…all the cry about the oline your talking about and the oline is the most solid and consistent group on the team…this oline has outplayed the oline from last year and im sure you will agree with me on that…and in order for progress to be made with the oline he had to cut the dead weight…sure he has made a few mistake personnel wise but which head coach hasn’t in this league…at least lovie realized he made a mistake a cut ties…bucrightoff your still missing the point and it makes me wonder if you really watch football or just love rooting against lovie….every coach in the nfl,college and hs will tell you, you need talent to win…does every coach need a team full of tom bradys and suhs revis..no..but depending on your team, you need talent/special players at key positions in order to win the whole thing…in the bears vs. colts superbowl both team were pretty evenly matched..the difference came down to the talent level at the qb position…the colts offense was slightly more talented at key position such as qb and wr than the bears…theres teams right now that are more talented than us as a team and have the same record as us but lack talent at key positions such as qb..i.e. jets,dolphins,cowboys,eagles…lovies defense lacks talent at key positions that makes his defense work..cb,de…be honest..do you see improvement from last year? has the oline blocked better? has the qb out played any qb we had last year?..im I completely satisfied with the job he has done up til this point, no but I do see huge improvement from last year and I have total confidence that with another draft you wont be singing these same tunes anymore…I remember lovie saying we are ready to win now but come on, what else was he going to say, we need another 2-3 draft before we actually get better…also enough about his overall record…please research coaches that have been a head coach for as long as lovie has with a winning record that are still coaching on a team…I bet youll find it hard as hell…I think the only head coach with more total wins may only be bill…jeff fisher had maybe 2-3 winning seasons in tenn before they gave him the boot and he is off to a bad start with st.louis…tmaxcon and bucrightoff I can see youll never be satisfied…if lovie were to guide this team to 6 consecutive superbowls and only won 1 you would want him fired…if he guide us to 6 str8 playoff appearances you will say he never won anything and couldn’t get us over the hump…both of you answer this for me..who would you like to see coaching your tampa bay buccaneers?…GO BUCS!!!!
November 10th, 2015 at 5:38 pm
Maybe jameis’ “positive tonic/gunslinger mentality”is starting to work on lovie too! Give it time!
November 10th, 2015 at 5:59 pm
813bucboi
You seem like a decent guy and I respect that. But we will have to agree to disagree about lovie. He has never been a great coach nor are he and licht doing a great job with the bucs. I have an office in chicago that I commute back and forth to. I spent 9 years listening to my employees who are die hard bear fans complain about the same things we are witnessing with Lovie now. Lovie burnt through both offensive and defensive coordinators in chicago and just like in tampa you never hear lovie take responsibility someone else is always to blame or the scapegoat at the end of the season. With all the free agent misses and bad signings you can not say with a straight face Lovie and Lictht are doing a great job. They are judged by the results the team gets not by potential or excuses. There first draft together produced maybe one decent player and the jury is still out on him since he has not played very well this year in Evans. It takes more than a win against a bottom feeder or a good game for a player to be judged a success. It does look like this draft was better however it’s far to early to tell and it’s far too early to say they are doing a great job. How do you explain away Lovie’s horrible percentage against teams above .500 or the fact he has always been a horrible game day coach. As far as the offensive line goes… There is no valid excuse for giving collins money he was not a proven lt and never started full time. Keeping Penn and Zuttah was the right thing to do. Neither Penn or Zuattah are world beaters but both are far better than EDS and Collins. Having to give up a 4th round draft pick for mankins was not a good trade. I am sorry but he has not played horribly but at 7 million he simply is not worth it regardless of leadership. You clearly believe in Lovie and I clearly do not. I will gladly eat a crap sandwich if he wins a super bowl but anything less is a failure. I am not ever going to be happy with mediocre results or that the team showed improvement. Just like in life you are either a winner or a loser trying hard means nothing.
November 10th, 2015 at 9:26 pm
Oh yeah he is benching players huh? That’s new . If I was him I would be angry as fuck at my team and highly disappointed which we all know truly he is inside you can just see it . His team can see it . It’s really sad but hey he kinda does it too himself . Let’s just hope he can fix this defense like ASAP. If he don’t by next year week 1 than I can tell you one thing is for certain this man is fired!!!!!!
November 10th, 2015 at 9:55 pm
Love has done nothing since he demanded a huge pay raise in Chicago and got rid of Ron Rivera as his defensive coordinator.
November 10th, 2015 at 10:24 pm
@bucrightoff Says:
@OneLove Says:
@Tampabaybucfan Says
@813bucboi Says:
@tmaxcon Says:
This shiiiit is hilarious a little childish but really funny.
November 11th, 2015 at 3:00 am
Johnny football punched his girlfriend in violation of the NFL personal conduct policy. I bet Cleveland wishes the would have traded for MG8 now? On NFL today Boomer Esiason and Shannon Sharp picked Jameis Winston to be rookie of the year. Lovie doesn’t have a clue how to reduce penalties. He started pulling players and sitting them several games ago, when they make penalties and it hasn’t helped any? Peer pressure is the best way to get players to focus. You would need peers to accomplish this.
November 11th, 2015 at 10:39 am
@tmaxcon…you seem like a very smart guy so your right…we agree to disagree…GO BUCS!!!