Jameis And Lovie
November 4th, 2015
“I’ve got ya’ coach.”
Joe is long on record believing if Tampa Bay wins six games this year, then barring something unforeseen behind the scenes, Bucs coach Lovie Smith will be back next season.
The Bucs’ defense is just putrid. Joe understands this is not a newsflash. But the worse the defense plays, it looks really bad for Lovie.
If the Bucs can win three more games in their final nine — hardly impossible if you look at the schedule — it is easy to suggest the wins will come from the arm of America’s Quarterback, Bucs signal-caller Jameis Winston.
So Joe would not be shocked if it is Jameis who saves Lovie’s job. After all, he is the franchise, and if he continues to improve and win games, why bring in someone that might eff with Jameis’ head and foul up the works?
In this CBS Sports video below, former NFLers Bart Scott and Brady Quinn discuss Lovie and Jameis. Scott thinks if the Titans can run Ken Whisenhunt, then Lovie ought to be sweating. Quinn seems to be of the mind the Jeff Tedford debacle actually bought Lovie another year.
That’s not all the two discuss about Lovie and Jameis.
November 4th, 2015 at 8:08 am
In the long run, this coach will not get us to where we need to be. He’s bottom of the barrel in the NFL. We can do better, coaching wise, and the sooner he’s gone the better….
November 4th, 2015 at 8:10 am
Funny how we don’t see too many stories about how Lovie ruined our offensive line.
Used to be a daily topic.
He did’nt and he hasn’t ruined our defense either, just hasn’t had much of an opportunity to fix it.
But it will play better soon.
Lovie is in zero danger.
November 4th, 2015 at 8:22 am
Why do they keep giving these ex NFL players jobs as analysts? Bart Scott is terrible, all he could think to bring up against Lovie is Michael Johnson?? Really? You’re getting paid for this?
November 4th, 2015 at 8:31 am
Great news….after two more mediocre seasons, Lovie will find his nirvana as a solid 8-8 coach…..able to consistently deliver those wonderful .500 seasons!
November 4th, 2015 at 8:35 am
I’m torn with Lovie right now. ya hes a sh!tty game day coach. Ya, I think he cost us at least two wins already this year. But since L&L have gotten here, what they have focused on in draft is paying off. He hasn’t really had any meaningful attention to his defense other than Kwon (homerun) and some band-aids from the Bears. As much as I get ticked off at him, maybe he deserves some time with some more defensive drafts.
November 4th, 2015 at 8:41 am
Lovie’s job would have to be in danger in order for it to be saved. Joe, you keep implying that Lovie is on the hot seat yet you haven’t provided one quote from any player or executive in the Buccaneers to support your continual assertions that Coach Smith is in danger of losing his job. Sure, the NFL is a result oriented business but the Bucs right now are 2-1 in the division, they’ve won two road divisional games, AND they beat a team that was 6-1. So sorry some of you can’t use the excuse anymore that the Bucs haven’t beat anyone good. The unfortunate truth for the haters is that the Buccaneers are an improved football team from last year. I know it sucks for some of you guys but the team is headed in the right direction.
I laugh that for some of you it really burns you up that the Bucs won that game. On top of that he made some “aggressive” play calls so there goes your built-in complaint that Lovie is “too conservative”. Do you think the Titans are going to get better with Ken Wisenhunt out? Those idiot Titans fans are saying, “Now we can get the *right* coach.” Uh huh, because the same lot was saying they got the right coach for the job last year. They’re too dumb to see that the reason why the organization is no longer any good is because they’ve not had continuity since Jeff Fisher left.
To be successful the Buccaneers long term continuity. I have to wonder how old some of you so-called fans are. Some of you must have been in grade school when Dungy was fired. When I moved here 16 years ago sports talk radio was inundated with calls to have Tony Dungy fired for the same reasons you guys are clamoring for Lovie to be fired, claiming he’s’ not a great coach and he’ll never lead a team to a Super Bowl win. Nowadays most of you treat him like he’s the greatest Buccaneers coach of all time. The same lot who wanted him ran out of town.
I don’t know about some of you but I’m going to enjoy watching the Bucs get better the rest of the year. I can’t wait for the draft to see what Jason Licht and Lovie Smith will do to improve and already improved football team.
November 4th, 2015 at 8:51 am
Erik
You are hilarious thanks I needed that to start off my day. Hahahaha. You should post all the articles that state Lovie is doing a stellar job.
November 4th, 2015 at 9:03 am
I don’t see how the sheep can defend this Head Coach!! Everyone says that the Bucs should not even look at free-agency because its fools gold!!! its not, Lovie is just a terrible talent evaluator!!! So know the Bucs have to build this team with one arm tied behind the back???? And yes. you get the bulk of good/great players thru the draft!!! but you can also add some with free agency in addition!!!
Questions on Lovie!! why did it take so many games to bench some of his boys in the secondary?? Why does everything he lays his fingers on get worse??? Maybe the Bucs should get a real DC and set up a fan duel account for Lovie so he can think he is still calling the shots!!! and guess what, he will finish at the bottom and the sheep will say that his fan duel team needs to GEL!!!!
November 4th, 2015 at 9:06 am
unfortunately @TomE is right.
@eric… Lovie has had plenty of time to improve the D, and its awfull. It has shown no improvement. Its best performance was sunday and it forced zero punts.
November 4th, 2015 at 9:07 am
Lovies more suited to be a high school or prison guidance counselor than a nfl head coach. He’s horrendous results with bucs and mediocre bears career speaks for itself. He’s never won anything meaningful in his career and his 3-3 playoff record during his 11 year career is laughable. If you are satisfied with mediocrity and 8-8 seasons with the occasional One and Done in playoffs Lovie is your guy. Best to cut bait and move on.
November 4th, 2015 at 9:08 am
Not enamored with Lovie, but I think firing him would be a mistake. Defense is filled with avg to below avg players, secondary has maybe 1 player who would start on other teams and others who would struggle to make another team. I’m sure they were hoping to get FA’s to hold the D together until they can rebuild through the draft and it hasn’t worked out. Think about the Defenses Morris and Schiano put out there. Same type of issues, no heat on the pocket, and horrible secondary play. I think drafting Barron and not Kuechly was a gigantic mistake that’s not talked about and should have moved M foster to either WLB or SLB.
November 4th, 2015 at 9:12 am
5-18, Michael Johnson, 1 home win, choosing Brinzda over Barth, Collins, McClown, dropping Revis, dropping Penn and Zuttah are all huge Loser Lovie blunders. That even his biggest defenders can’t justify
I haven’t even gone into how he has a defense that ended 2014 playing pretty good under Frazier and made it worse, has made Lavonte look bad and his horrible in game management and misuse of timeouts.
I wasn’t a fan of the hiring, but I’m willing to see how he finishes this year out before telling the team im not renewing my tickets. I hate losing so I hope he turns it around, but I’m not very confident in him as a coach
November 4th, 2015 at 9:15 am
Yep, because the addition of Ndamukong Suh has really taken that Dolphins defense over the top…
How’s DeMarco Murray working out in Philly?
Pernell McPhee hasn’t really helped Chicago much.
Greg Hardy? Thanks but no thanks. I think you’d agree.
Keep going?
November 4th, 2015 at 9:22 am
Free agency is a necessary part of running your organization. If you treat free agency like Lovie treats game days by playing not to lose versus playing to win you will never get to that next level that championship teams reach. Not partaking in free agency is like playing scared on Sundays. Just because Lovie is a horrible talent judge does not mean you avoid a very important aspect of team building. You are not going to hit a home run on every free agent signing that being said that does not mean you forfeit the game…
RO
Those bad defenders you mentioned or below average defenders were hand picked by Lovie so your argument only justifies his removal.
November 4th, 2015 at 9:28 am
Yards Per Game 2014: 25th
Yards Per Game 2015: 15th
No improvements, eh?
November 4th, 2015 at 9:30 am
The best teams certainly don’t rely on free agency. ^^^
November 4th, 2015 at 9:31 am
D-Rome,
I’m glad there is one adult posting on this forum. This team is much improved over last year and will continue to grow and develop. I pray that the Glazers do not listen to these non-sensical radicals bombarding our local sports talk shows and online forums and blow out this coaching staff. Give them time to procure more talent and develop it. We all will appreciate it when this team becomes a consistent winner in the near future.
November 4th, 2015 at 9:31 am
D-Rome
very short sighted numbers…
Wins / Losses, Points per game and blown leads are all you need to look at… Rankings are fools gold. Did you win or did you lose.. did you blow double digit leads back to back weeks results not rankings matter. Lovies defense has not stopped anyone this year.
November 4th, 2015 at 9:32 am
911bucs…I started laughing myself when I read his comment too. Hilarious the thought of Lovie being in zero jeopardy of losing his job this season after all that we have seen from this defense and it’s defensive guru.
BTW…Lovie lost at Washington..and for good reason. The writing is on the wall, some fans are just too homerish, blind as a bat, or simply never watched a decent to good defense ever play in the NFL. If there’s one thing Buc fans know about when it comes to this game, it SHOULD be good defense. That’s what Lovie was hired for you numbskulls. But, but, but and more but he went all offense in the draft and he’ll focus on the D in the next draft. That’s there reasoning as to why Lovie’s D sucks so bad for 2 straight years in a row.
Straight nonsense I tell ya, but cling to something I guess. Whatever gets you through it. Eli is coming to bring some of you clowns back down to earth. Not that any of THAT will matter either. I hope the Bucs DO beat the Giants I really do. Home field advantage? WTF is that? Buc fans are more quiet when the D is out on the field than my local library. You can thank Lovie for that. Fans have no faith in that defense so why bother being loud? I’ll be at the game hollering for the D, but it won’t matter anyways. They’ll still suck at the end of the day.
November 4th, 2015 at 9:33 am
Tiger
Lovie has NEVER coached a consistent winner what makes you think he is magically going to get it now????
November 4th, 2015 at 9:36 am
Tiger and D-Rome…..are you guys watching the same defense that I used to watch? It’s so bad I walk out of the room when the D is on the field these days. I can’t watch it anymore, but apparently you still can and good for you, that you see something special brewing. Non-sensical radicals? Did you see the blown leads over the last 2 games? Do you know what a defense is SUPPOSED to look like?
Quite obviously NOT!
November 4th, 2015 at 9:46 am
Realist
the fan duel comment was a hoot:) thanks for the morning chuckle😊
November 4th, 2015 at 9:48 am
tmaxcon…dude last season the excuse went like this. “Well Lovie did go 5-11 in his first season with the Bears way back when then he went 11-5 the next season, so we’ll just have to wait and see.”
So now this season is upon us and we’ve waited and we’ve seen. What’s going to be the excuse next week if the D blows a massive lead in the game? How many times does that soft middle of the field have to be wide open for opposing WR’s for certain fans to finally get it? How many times do they have to watch those slants be completed with ease by scrub WR’s? How many times does a QB like Matt Ryan have to complete what was it Joe 17 straight passes?
Are these fans watching the same team play? Where is this “progress” in the defense that they are seeing? Oh that’s RIGHT the stat sheet!
Whatever I’m done. That’s why I’m limiting my time on this site from now on. It really IS turning too homerish for me these days. It’s easy to just skip right over their posts, but something compels me not to do it. So I’d rather just stay away.
November 4th, 2015 at 9:55 am
Buc1987, every team in the NFL has blown a lead and it happens every week. The opposition is paid to make plays too. I watched the Steelers blow a halftime lead to lose against the Bengals. Time to fire Mike Tomlin, right? I watched the 8-0 Panthers blow a lead to the Colts and they had to win it in overtime. I guess that means Ron Rivera’s time is up too, right? Two weeks ago I saw the Patriots blew a lead to the Jets in Foxborough.
The Bucs aren’t talented enough on defense and they haven’t been talented enough on defense for a very long time. We’re not all that far removed from being arguably the worst pass defense in the history of the NFL three years ago.
November 4th, 2015 at 9:56 am
why give an ex NFL player an analyst job? as opposed to giving some dweeb that never even played pop warner the job?
November 4th, 2015 at 9:56 am
The Buc Realist …LOL I caught the Fan Duel thingy. Hilarious.
I didn’t complain all that much about Lovie Smith and the defense until the Skins game. That’s when Lovie lost me. I gave him all of last season, not one complaint out of me. Gave him 1/4 or more of this season, then he just lost me.
Like I said 2 days ago. When you’ve seen enough, you’ve seen enough. Perhaps some of these fans haven’t quite seen enough for it to sink in yet. So I’m trying to be nice as hard as a person such as myself can be.
Everyone have a nice day! 🙂 I won’t waste my time anymore with the Mr. Magoo’s of the world for the rest of the day. For the rest of you, have it.
November 4th, 2015 at 9:58 am
Some “fans” are delusional i mean we literally drafted one defensive player in two years and hes turning out to be a stud. There was nobody in free agency that we could have gotten because we cant force players to come to tampa all we can offer is a sales pitch. We draft offense the last two years and guess where the improvement is. Please jump off the ship and stop bitching daily. @drome i agree 100% Joe makes it seem like he has some inside knowledge on whether or not lovie will be fired but in reality he has no clue. Everyone wants to be a adam schefter. Kudos to lovie on how hes been handling jameis. I see improvement thats all i can ask
November 4th, 2015 at 10:02 am
In regards to the defense, you have to realize that Lovie has drafted all offense, with the exception of the home run pick of Kwon Alexander. There really be shouldn’t be too much of a surprise that the defense is struggling. Don’t forget the defense was really bad before we got here. They have tried to fill in some holes with free agency, but that has been proven time and time again to be tough sledding. They drafted 4 starters this year!!! All are playing really good football. Sims and Evans appear to be really good picks. I would love to see ASJ get out of the hot tub to see if he pans out. My gut tells me he will. What has been done to fix the defense? Anybody here believe that guys like Jenkins, Jennings, and George Johnson were ever designed to be anything more than stop gap guys? Of course not. They were brought here to hopefully just keep our defense from being awful. I will grant you that it hasn’t worked, but just looking at the history of free agency in the NFL, it shouldn’t be that much of a surprise. Don’t forget they tried to go out and get better players like Trent Cole and Greg Hardy. I feel pretty confident if Lovie is back next year, we will address the defense in the draft next year.
It really all boils down to the fact that you have to build your team through the draft. No on can argue that. There were so many holes on this team when he got here. Instead of trying to spread the draft picks to both sides of the ball, they chose to build up the offense first. You can see our offense is pretty good (and will get a lot better barring injury), so you can expect the defense to get built over the next two years. I’m not saying to give Lovie two more years if he doesn’t deserve it, but if he’s able to continue to show improvement, it would be foolish to fire him. You never fire a guy when the team is getting better.
Many of you have already made up your mind about Lovie. That is evident by some idiotic comments made by some posters that even if we win the Super Bowl you want him fired. I feel sorry for those of you who feel that way. It’s amazing to me how this rotating door of coaches we have had hasn’t taught you better. You would think you would realize that’s not a good thing. I learned that lesson when we stupidly got rid of Gruden, who admittedly I thought had run his course in Tampa. Well, I was wrong. I’ve seen what a lack of continuity can do to a team, and I’m not at the point where I want to blow this thing up again. Especially when we just drafted 4 stud players. I’d like to keep that going.
November 4th, 2015 at 10:05 am
D-Rome since people are still addressing me. One more post for the day and I’m out of here for the day.
No matter what I say about Lovie on this site has no bearing what so ever whether or not Lovie will get fired. Lovie will do his own self in, and there’s nothing you and I can do about it.
You can root for him to succeed and I still will as well. Hell I bought tickets to this next home game. I just think it’s inevitable, the season is young and Lovie will do his own self in. 5-11 guys, and I’m still sticking to it since the summer. 5-11 with a crappy defense and I think Lovie is toast.
Have a nice day! 🙂
November 4th, 2015 at 10:09 am
HB…I already mentioned the all offense drafts as an excuse that we’ve already heard numerous times. Not to argue with you buddy, but I’m not going down this road all week long nor anymore today.
LOL this time I really mean it. I’m not scrolling up anymore.
Have a nice day! 🙂
November 4th, 2015 at 10:11 am
The plan should be since we most likely will not make the playoffs, let Jameis continue to develop by leaving everything in place this season. Go after the best possible defensive players that we can find next draft. Get rid of lovie then if need be. And then kick some as&!! Simple as that.
November 4th, 2015 at 10:14 am
The reason I say he has had limited opportunity is he has used one draft choice on defense.
He knocked that one out of the park.
You can bet your bottom dollar if Jameis was playing poorly Lovie would get the blame. People were doing that after the first game and jumping all over Lovie for drafting him.
No credit at all is given for the recent good play.
None of this matters cause the Glazers are done listening to you people.
November 4th, 2015 at 10:27 am
Last time I checked the Patriots rely on FA and do quite well evaluating talent there.
November 4th, 2015 at 10:33 am
I still think you are an idiot for supporting Lovie Mr. Hawaiian Buc. You clearly are delusional! If you wanna take a comment out of context and harp on it that’s fine, but don’t do it while simultaneously discrediting yourself.
November 4th, 2015 at 10:36 am
@CC your really missing the point. There arent many free agent that dont want to play for the patriots. Cant say the same about the bucs so we have to do it through the draft
November 4th, 2015 at 10:38 am
Scott thinks if the Titans can run Ken Whisenhunt, then Lovie ought to be sweating.
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And if the new coach comes in and starts winning immediately the Lovie Lovers will have run out of excuses.
November 4th, 2015 at 10:41 am
Tiger Says:
November 4th, 2015 at 9:31 am
D-Rome,
I’m glad there is one adult posting on this forum. This team is much improved over last year and will continue to grow and develop. I pray that the Glazers do not listen to these non-sensical radicals bombarding our local sports talk shows and online forums and blow out this coaching staff. Give them time to procure more talent and develop it. We all will appreciate it when this team becomes a consistent winner in the near future.
“non-sensical radicals” That’s about as accurate as it gets! Thank you ALL(you know who YOU ARE) for helping this site get “smarter”.
“It’s as simple as that” – Lovie Smith
“Changing coaches about halfway through a rebuilding effort is a recipe for perpetual failure.” – Johnny “America’s Commenter” Dejay
“If Lovie don’t no how to coach so be it… Hard to believe he would get a job offer and you wouldn’t…. Wonder why??? Your idiots that’s why…” – JAB83
“So my advice would be, yes, it’s okay to throw things at your TV when your team has a monumental collapse like the Bucs did on Sunday in Washington. But take a deep breath and understand that it is only going to get worse if you continue to jump from one coach to the next.” – Peter King
November 4th, 2015 at 10:49 am
Barring a complete and total meltdown by the team, Lovie will be retained, and given an opportunity to draft some players on defense.
November 4th, 2015 at 10:54 am
DB55 Says:
November 4th, 2015 at 10:38 am
Scott thinks if the Titans can run Ken Whisenhunt, then Lovie ought to be sweating.
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And if the new coach comes in and starts winning immediately the Lovie Lovers will have run out of excuses.
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I hope for your sake that you are trolling and don’t actually believe this is true. FYI, it shows a real LACK OF INTELLIGENCE to post something that stupid. I’m assuming, you probably didn’t know that. In that case, I will pray for you…
November 4th, 2015 at 10:56 am
Hawaiianbuc
Please explain to me why you think lovie is going to magically get it year 12. he has never won consistently and has destroyed 2 organizations rosters and caps with bad personnel moves which you conveniently choose to ignore. I could careless what you think of those of us who have no use for Lovie but to drop idiot comments and act like lovie has won super-bowls and consistently had is team the hunt is flat out false. If you are one of those fans that is happy with 8-8 one and done in the playoffs every few years than so be it. However to preach patience and to call people idiots that want more from their team and head coach well I thought you were above that. I guess I was wrong. Lovie has yet to win back to back games nor has he even put together two competitive games in row so having any confidence in him at this point is misguided.
There is a price to being patient with Lovie, his personnel moves have long term consequences and cap ramifications that can not be ignored. Imagine the defense that the 32 million in dead money could have purchased or at least upgraded if it was not flushed down the toilet.
Your loyalty and defense of mccoy is admirable but also getting a little misguided. I like the guy and think he is a good player that being said to ignore his injury history and suggest him missing 18 full games and parts of 9 other games is not a cause for concern again is foolish. You took a shot at me for saying he was always hurt well the numbers back that up. He has finished the season on IR more than half his career.
I enjoy your posts but taking shots at people who are done with Lovie is misplaced given the results that Lovie has produced and the long term mistakes he has made personnel wise.
November 4th, 2015 at 11:00 am
I don’t even have the energy for you Trolls and Fans of Desperation today….
To D-Rome and a hand full of you other Fans of Inspiration…. It sure is nice to know y’all out there!!!!
I say we put a beat down on the G Men 31-17…. Sack Eli five or more times and get a few turnovsrs ……
May sound crazy to some of you Trolls and Fans of Depression…. But try believing it can happen…. Use last weeks game as motivation to believe!!!!!
November 4th, 2015 at 11:07 am
If we had an average NFL head coach right now, our record would be at a minimum of 5-2, and possibly even 6-1. How the Lovie defenders want to act like we have a great coach when we actually have a clearly below average coach is beyond me. Maybe they like always having hope instead of results. Hope of course though is ultimately fleeting.
The Lovie defenders are the new Glennon Mob. And like the Glennon Mob, they are ultimately in for crushing disappointment, followed by completely abandonning their stance once we get a coach in here who is better. Which really won’t be difficult. We can do better, we must do better, and we will do better.
November 4th, 2015 at 11:30 am
@D-Rome
Excellent series of posts!
@bucrightoff
Tell me who the “average” coach is in the NFL.
Bill Belicheat had a losing record until he got Brady. There are very, very few coaches who can overcome a lack of talent.
Having said that many of them are able to cost a team a win even if they’re not able to provide victory.
IMHO a coach is not the answer here. We simply need to keep on adding talent and spending the money. I think the Glazers have finally completed their ManU deal and are flush and so the money is flowing once again. While I’m not a huge Lovie fan, nor am I ready to fire him on Monday…I do believe we got a gem in Jason Licht.
IF we do make a change I hope Licht is given the keys to the car and told to go out and make a comprehensive coaching search. The same old worn out names may not be the way to go. I trust Licht because he’s been in some very successful organizations and has lots of great contacts. If he can find Ali Marpet he can find a good head coach…IF we decide to go that way.
There is NO coach currently in the NFL that I would honestly feel good about giving all the power, that’s part of the problem with Lovie.
November 4th, 2015 at 11:42 am
Onelove
Your mother shows a lack of intelligence for getting gangbanged and not throwing you into a dumpster. You are proof she shouldn’t do meth while pregnant.
November 4th, 2015 at 11:46 am
An average NFL coach would be someone who could beat a team who is 3-20 in their last 23 games on opening day with 5 months to prepare, or beat one of the worst QBs in the league (who is now out of the league), or beat a guy who was on his way to the bench before playing a Lovie team. We made all those QBs look like elite talents.
If you’re looking for a specific name, I don’t know, Rex Ryan? Gary Kubiak? I’d say they’re about average. They would have beaten Tennessee and the Texans and the Redskins. Lovie didn’t. Again that’s 6-1 staring us in the face with a slightly better coach. Instead a loss this week and the season is over. We should expect better should we not?
November 4th, 2015 at 11:48 am
@tmaxcon
First of all, I’m not supporting Lovie. I’m not even sure I want him back next year. For me the jury is still out. One thing I will not do is criticize the guy after a win, and I will not dismiss the win like he had nothing to do with it. That was a huge win – the type of game we normally get blown out in. I’m going to see what he can do the rest of the year before i make my judgement. If we continue to improve week in and week out, I’d be a fool to want him gone.
You say am I happy with 8-8 – probably. We’ve been bad for so long, I know you have to see 8-8 before you can see 12-4. I can see Lovie being our Dungy, then us bringing in another coach to win it all. I’m okay with that. I know our team is nowhere near being a championship contender right now. I don’t care if Vince Lombardi is coaching. Yes we’ve missed on free agents and Lovie is to blame, but free agents have a low success rate for most coaches. Bellicheat has missed on tons of free agents. They built the offense, and they tried to piece meal together a defense in the meantime. It hasn’t worked. That doesn’t mean we won’t draft defense next year, and do a great job.
November 4th, 2015 at 11:51 am
The most impressive thing Lovie did against Atlanta was probably his worst decision. His going for it on 4th down showed me he is adapting, and he knows where the strength of this team lies. I would have said the same thing had we lost. I can’t stand a coach doing the same thing over and over, and refusing to adapt. Lovie showed me he might be adapting. I’ll use the rest of the year to see if it continues, or if that was just a freak occurrence. But I’m not going to want the guy fired 7 games into his second season. Especially after beating the dirty birds in Atlanta.
November 4th, 2015 at 11:54 am
@bucrightoff
Yes absolutely you have a right to expect more and I agree we should be 5-2 right now and many coaches…some of them not even average…would have been able to accomplish that.
I think Lovie’s record lifetime at the moment fits in the “good category” not great.
If he won an SB here he could move up.
I’m looking at Jeff Fisher and Andy Reid the same as Lovie. Two guys with good records who need to finish their careers on a up note to cement their legacy.
How do we rank Marvin Lewis? Took a bad Bengals team and made them solid, actually very good regular season team only to suck in the playoffs. Is he average? Good? Bad? With that postseason record he certainly can’t be called great yet, but if he got lucky and went on a roll and won a SB he’d be lauded as a great coach.
November 4th, 2015 at 11:54 am
“I still think you are an idiot for supporting Lovie Mr. Hawaiian Buc. You clearly are delusional! If you wanna take a comment out of context and harp on it that’s fine, but don’t do it while simultaneously discrediting yourself.”
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I’ve been waiting to hear from you. I want to know how exactly I took your comment from yesterday out of context. Do you need me to go back and find it? But please enlighten me how I took what you said out of context when you said ” If we win the Super Bowl somehow, I still want a new head coach.”
November 4th, 2015 at 11:58 am
To all of you trying to compare coaches, it all fall on the same thing – Quarterback. All the great coaches had a great QB, all the good ones usually had a good QB. Yes you can list one or two exceptions, but overall the genius coaches all do it with exceptional QB play. When the QB doesn’t perform, the coach gets fired.
Bellicheck is a great coach, but would he be anywhere near as revered without Brady? Hell no. Look no further than Gruden. He didn’t have great QB play, and aside from a glorious year in 2002 (when we had the second best defense in NFL history in my opinion), he was largely average. We hovered at 9-7, 8-8, and 7-9. Did he forget how to coach? He didn’t have a QB. Period. All these coaches know football. The better ones have great QB’s. It’s really not as confusing as many make it out to be.
November 4th, 2015 at 12:05 pm
Hawaiian Buc Says:
November 4th, 2015 at 11:51 am
The most impressive thing Lovie did against Atlanta was probably his worst decision. His going for it on 4th down showed me he is adapting, and he knows where the strength of this team lies. I would have said the same thing had we lost. I can’t stand a coach doing the same thing over and over, and refusing to adapt. Lovie showed me he might be adapting. I’ll use the rest of the year to see if it continues, or if that was just a freak occurrence. But I’m not going to want the guy fired 7 games into his second season. Especially after beating the dirty birds in Atlanta.
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The thing is though the decision ultimately makes no sense in concert with the decision to kick the FG in OT. They both result in the exact same thing: The end of the game. Go for it and 4th and covert? Game over. Get the TD in OT? Game over. The rational for both is the same: I don’t trust my defense to stop Atlanta. But that’s where the deviation is: He apparently had no trust in his defense to stop Atlanta with 4 downs, 80-90 yards to go and no timeouts in 100 seconds…but does trust them to stop Atlanta from going 80 yards with 7 minutes and a timeout to win. Punting the ball on 4th down gives the Bucs a 90%+ win percentage chance. Kicking the FG gives them about a 65% win percentage chance.
Just odd thinking there, but it’s because he made the decision on emotion. Emotional decision making sucks. Coaches that do that get burned a lot because they don’t think things through. I didn’t have a problem going for it on 4th down, I have a problem disregarding the same logic to kick the FG in OT. Nothing actually changed, and if anything he should have felt more justification to go for it in OT than in regulation after watching the Falcons easily score the TD at the end.
November 4th, 2015 at 12:09 pm
I’d also call Marvin Lewis slightly above average. Basically good enough to get you beat in the playoffs. Andy Reid in interesting as a comparable, but not quite because he made the playoffs twice as much as Lovie in a much more difficult division in the exact same time period. So he’s clearly better, but he also consistently costs his teams games with bad coaching.
Lovie’s lifetime record also deserves further examination, namely his rather awful record against teams who are .500 or better. If you can’t beat average or above average teams consistently (and Lovie’s record strongly indicates that), how can you be considered anything other than below average? You can’t beat up below average teams to win the Super Bowl obviously, you have to beat great teams. My wanting Lovie gone is based on his lengthy record in the NFL. And when examined in depth, it sort of shows he’s never been a great coach and at his peak is slightly above average. Simply not good enough IMO. His success will be based on Jameis and nothing more. Which means we can find lots of coaches who can be just as successful wholly relying on QB.
November 4th, 2015 at 12:46 pm
@bucrightoff,
I think it’s tough to differentiate between an emotional decision and a gut decision. While I agree emotional decisions aren’t always good, a gut decision is often times the right one (obviously deepening on the coach). I think his gut told him his defense was gassed and they were going to get scored on regardless if we punted in the 4th. Besides, worst case scenario was we would tie, which happened. Had we been up 3 and went for it, I would have had an issue with us going for it there. As for going for it in overtime, that would be horrible, and I would have been screaming for his head had we done that. We had just chewed nearly 8 minutes off the clock, so the defense should have been better rested. Also, as long as you keep them out of the end zone, you were pretty much guaranteed at least a tie.
November 4th, 2015 at 12:50 pm
@bucrightoff,
I would invite you to re-read your post and re-read my post about QB’s. Nearly every coach you can name has had success equal to that of his QB. No good QB, not a very successful coach. Lovie had terrible QB’s in Chicago. Cutler was probably his best QB, and he’s pretty much awful. Whether or not you can blame Lovie for his terrible QB’s is up for debate. To be honest, I’m not really familiar enough with the balance of power in Chicago during his tenure. I know he didn’t want Cutler, for whatever that’s worth.
November 4th, 2015 at 1:35 pm
I remain in the middle on Lovie as the Bucs coach, reasons for liking and disliking. The chain link fence I’m sitting on has sharp parts sticking out, so I’ll have to fall on the for Lovie or anti Lovie side. I think I’ll slip a plank under me and remain on the fence. The team shows improvement, that’s a plus.
November 4th, 2015 at 2:20 pm
Jabb33 we did that exact thing a few years ago….5 sacks 3 turnovers, Freeman had a decent game until the 4th and Eli burned us for 500 yards and 4 or 5 tds. We lost I think 42-35
November 4th, 2015 at 2:26 pm
Finally Lovie pulled off a meaningful win. Great. Does it change the fact he’s a very bad coach on game days? No. He’s going to have to keep winning to prove that. His history in Tampa suggests, the team will come out and lay an egg this sunday at home. Like I said Sunday, that kind of win can turn a season around, I just havent seen anything from Lovie that suggests he’s that type of coach who can pull it off. PROVE ME WRONG!!
November 4th, 2015 at 2:40 pm
Hawaiian Buc Says:
November 4th, 2015 at 12:50 pm
@bucrightoff,
I would invite you to re-read your post and re-read my post about QB’s. Nearly every coach you can name has had success equal to that of his QB. No good QB, not a very successful coach. Lovie had terrible QB’s in Chicago. Cutler was probably his best QB, and he’s pretty much awful. Whether or not you can blame Lovie for his terrible QB’s is up for debate. To be honest, I’m not really familiar enough with the balance of power in Chicago during his tenure. I know he didn’t want Cutler, for whatever that’s worth.
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The notion he didn’t want Cutler has never been proven. I’ve looked hard for something to back that up, and there’s absolutely nothing to support it. Now saying something like that sounds easy to believe because of the perception Cutler is a baby and a turnover machine, but I haven’t found anything to support it. Considering Lovie got fired in Chicago when Jay Cutler got hurt in 2012 when they were 7-1 and finished 10-6, I really doubt he hated him. He also led the only Lovie playoff appearance in the last 9 years.
November 4th, 2015 at 4:21 pm
what did some of you expect last year? for us to be in the super bowl…this team was trash way before lovie got here…improvements have been made by this team…this is lovies second year..the first year he had no oc…I think the time he spent out of the nfl has really enlighten him..he spent his first 2 drafts on the offense except for kwon realizing that you need an offense to get you to the championship…defense will win you a championship…our offense is clicking and will only get better from here on out…the defense will improve thru the draft…lovie has this team moving in the right direction fast so go to hell lovie haters….GO BUCS!!!