Lovie Says Bucs (Again) Are “On The Verge”
October 5th, 2015
You heard this song before, it was December 15, 2014. Lovie Smith had proclaimed “true football fans can see we’re on the verge.”
Lovie was back singing a passionate sequel at One Buc Palace moments ago.
After declaring “our football team is getting better,” Lovie said Tampa Bay is “fighting hard” and “we saw improvements in so many areas.”
And then Lovie proudly stated, “It doesn’t really matter who’s up next, I just feel we’re on the verge of getting that win.”
OK. Joe will play along. Lovie Smith has that special feeling. It’s called heartburn “Victory!”
Let’s see one, Coach.
A home victory for the home fans, all those fans who can’t feel the Bucs are on the verge of anything good, all those fans who can’t see or feel what you do. Bring home a W against a bad Jaguars team, so Bucs fans can hold their heads high at 2-3 entering a much needed bye week.
October 5th, 2015 at 4:26 pm
FIRE LOVIE
FIRE LOVIE
FIRE LOVIE
FIRE LOVIE
He has actually taken a step back from Schiano.
When you make a bad hire, own up to it and move on.
Come on Licht… DO IT
October 5th, 2015 at 4:26 pm
He need to come out like O’Brien did yesterday.
It’s on YOU Lovie, you haven’t gotten the job done! YOUR team is setting records for futility on the most futile franchise in NFL history!!!!!
It’s YOUR FAULT, you meek, sack-less mother f**ker!
Wait till this team gets into the meat/teeth of their schedule!
#13weekstilltheoffseason
Go Sucs!
October 5th, 2015 at 4:28 pm
WE ARE ! seriously. I feel like we are almost there. Look at the Rams .. its been how long? and they finally are looking good. Its only been 1.5 years for Lovie. We cant expect to immediately win with Winston. (Even though I really thought we would) After the NO game people were happy. now 2 games later and its fire Lovie again
October 5th, 2015 at 4:29 pm
Lovie’s on the verge of what he came for: $20 million for the least amount of work he can possibly do. He should be coaching for his job this week, but the Glazers are spineless and would never do the right thing if they lose to sorry ass Jacksonville. Truth be told we’re a Drew Brees not having is arm on the verge of falling off game from being 0-4 right now. This team has shown little to no progress from week 1 last year. That’s why Lovie has to go.
October 5th, 2015 at 4:30 pm
CUT THE MORAL VICTORY AND ON THE VERGE BS LOVIE, I WANT WINS AND I WANT THEM NOW, NOT IN 2017, or 2121, I WANT THEM IN 2015
October 5th, 2015 at 4:33 pm
scott fitzgerald Says:
October 5th, 2015 at 4:28 pm
WE ARE ! seriously. I feel like we are almost there. Look at the Rams .. its been how long? and they finally are looking good. Its only been 1.5 years for Lovie. We cant expect to immediately win with Winston. (Even though I really thought we would) After the NO game people were happy. now 2 games later and its fire Lovie again
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The Rams won 14 games in Jeff Fisher’s first two seasons, in the toughest division in football with 2 of the 4 best teams in the league at the time playinf there. Lovie has 2 wins against the worst division ever last year, and is almost certainly not getting more than 8 wins in his first two years.
The excuse making for this wholly mediocre coach is alarming and is a contributing factor to why we suck so much. People have such amazingly low expectations of this team that if Lovie won 5 games a lot of people would want a coach who went 7-25 back in his first two years back. We need to demand better don’t you think?
October 5th, 2015 at 4:34 pm
Make’s me think of that postgame speech of his, in New Orleans.. Where Lovie proclaimed “Streak!”
Yeah… Two L’s in a row Lovie! At least you kept your word! Lets keep this Losing Streak Going!
October 5th, 2015 at 4:34 pm
@ PR
Doi you really think Licht has the authority to fire Lovie?
October 5th, 2015 at 4:35 pm
Bench Jameis, play Glennon…. Freeman was a better rookie!!!!
October 5th, 2015 at 4:40 pm
Lovie is on The Verge of Retirement! He could probably double up his money, & get a gig with NFL Net or BSPN, except he only knows how to speak in cliches!
Happy retirement Lovie! You played the Glazers, played the fans! Get your money! I cant be mad at that!
October 5th, 2015 at 4:40 pm
I believe that when Lovie gets the boot it will be cause the Glazers gave Licht the go ahead to yes.
And I feel that if Licht has the balls and wants to save his a$$ he’ll go to the Glazers and request his release.
October 5th, 2015 at 4:40 pm
“we saw improvements in so many areas.”
Like what? Brindza’s missed FG’s were a little closer?
I’ll bet if we can show improvement in just one area, it would bring wins faster than what he is seeing.
HEART
October 5th, 2015 at 4:47 pm
This entire sh!tshow has been predictable from the day Lovie was hired. He’s a lazy coach that only wants to work within his scheme….that he actually took from Kiffin. He has no willingness to evolve with the game, nor will he every be a relevant head coach again. He has the ability to make decent O coordinators look like they belong coaching high school special teams.
I never understood the fan’s excitement over this hire. It is almost laughable at how predictable this was.
October 5th, 2015 at 4:50 pm
Speaking of heart clodhopper, i think Schiano’s and morris teams showed more heart than this crap we see every sunday. Lovie should have stayed retired. But hey for 20 million what the hell
October 5th, 2015 at 4:50 pm
Well at least we’re on the verge… At least thatll cushion the blow to our projected 4-12 season..
Lose to Jacksonville next week?? Its ok Bucs fans! Cause at least we’re ‘on the verge’!
October 5th, 2015 at 4:52 pm
The players aren’t stupid. They see the same thing we do. Witch is same ol same ol. It’s the same season we’ve had for 4 years now. When I was watching that game, the fumble to start the game, I told the wife 39 seconds into the game and I’m deflated and I know we’re going to lose. I bet they thought and felt the same thing. This team needs that Yucs moment that turned Sapp and Brooks. We will always be the same until that happens. There’s is zero reason to think otherwise!
October 5th, 2015 at 4:54 pm
Anyone else would have been fired by now. I am okay with losing if they at least fight. Made me sick watching cam Newton smile and laugh like he was at a laid back practice. Pisses me off.
October 5th, 2015 at 4:56 pm
I bet the falcons are just licking their lips at the prospect of playing us twice.
October 5th, 2015 at 5:00 pm
Cannot keep firing coaches every two to three years. That is NOT the answer. Lovie is NOT the problem. Coaching is NOT the problem. Lovie will be here at least 4 years. Continuity is the key. You have a ROOKIE QB, there are going to be games like this. If after 3 – 4 years TOGETHER with Jameis and Koetter they are still not better then go ahead and make a change but not now. Patience. GO BUCS!!
October 5th, 2015 at 5:01 pm
Does anyone believe anything this man says?
October 5th, 2015 at 5:03 pm
Thanks Lovie, we are on the verge of another number 1 pick in the draft.
Go Bucs!
October 5th, 2015 at 5:03 pm
So which one of the local fish wrap writers called Lovie out at the Presser this afternoon on his “on the verge” comment again? Crickets Chirping?
October 5th, 2015 at 5:03 pm
“Made me sick watching cam Newton smile and laugh like he was at a laid back practice. Pisses me off.”
^^^That was the dagger in the chest for me… Lovie’s D was the joke, made Cam laugh…
We knew Jameis would have his off days, but I hoped Lovies D would be this teams ROCK… The one phase of the game we could depend on, to keep us in it, to put fear in opponents, to get turnovers, to score once in a while…
Lovie took over as DC, and couldnt even give us THAT..
October 5th, 2015 at 5:05 pm
“Does anyone believe anything this man says?”
Brian, Joel, Big Dawg… aaaand, thats about it!
October 5th, 2015 at 5:05 pm
This clown is laughing all the way to the bank
October 5th, 2015 at 5:09 pm
Not sure if Lovie was the problem this week. 4 INT’s is a recipe for a loss regardless of the coach.
October 5th, 2015 at 5:10 pm
Reality check. Bucs can’t beat the Jags. When was the last time they beat the Jags? Ever? Our team sucks. Go Bucs
October 5th, 2015 at 5:18 pm
“Not sure if Lovie was the problem this week. 4 INT’s is a recipe for a loss regardless of the coach.”
Well as the HC, Lovie is in control of ALL 3 phases of the team…
And at the end of the 2nd quarter, with 11 seconds left, instead of taking a shot to the endzone, he relied more on Brindza to bring us within 4, (he stated this just now in his presser), he relied on a FG over taking a chance to tie it with a playcall to the endzone….
So yeah dude, just like the last 17 losses, this WAS on Lovie… He has final say over playcalling, has final say over personnel (Brindza), and the guy went with Brindza to try and bring us to within 4, instead of taking a shot with Winston,VJ,ME13, to TIE the game, and still have a shot to kick a FG if THAT didnt work!
October 5th, 2015 at 5:18 pm
If the Bucs don’t beat the Jags, they are looking down the barrel of 1-15.
Who woulda thunk it 6 weels ago?
October 5th, 2015 at 5:19 pm
Coaching is not the problem he says…
Are you kidding me? ROFLMBO
lol genius
October 5th, 2015 at 5:20 pm
Something about today is different. Maybe it’s the realization that we are just a bad team. No more excuses. We just suck. And saying that we are on the verge is laughable. We’ve had about 20 opportunities to win the last 2 games and we blew all of them. THat’s not on the verge. That’s just sucking balls.
October 5th, 2015 at 5:22 pm
There is nothing on this planet I hate more than Scam’s smile. NOTHING!!
October 5th, 2015 at 5:23 pm
BucDaddy82 Says:
October 5th, 2015 at 5:00 pm
Cannot keep firing coaches every two to three years. That is NOT the answer. Lovie is NOT the problem. Coaching is NOT the problem. Lovie will be here at least 4 years. Continuity is the key. You have a ROOKIE QB, there are going to be games like this. If after 3 – 4 years TOGETHER with Jameis and Koetter they are still not better then go ahead and make a change but not now. Patience. GO BUCS!!
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Wow this man is a sucker for punishment. A true masochist. And obviously beyond delusional if Lovie or coaching is not the problem. Well if it’s not, then surely it must be the players. So are you suggesting a mass jettisoning of the players? Like get rid of 80+% of them?
Oh yeah, 80+% of these players? Hand chosen by Lovie. Whoops…
October 5th, 2015 at 5:26 pm
Needs
QB-center-left guard- tight end-3 defensive line men- 2 safety’s – 2 corners
kicker-
new hc-new gm- new owners- new scouts- new strength trainers-(the water boy and ball boys can stay)
October 5th, 2015 at 5:27 pm
I feel like Joe / this crowd has so much anti-lovie bias they aren’t watching the same game as me.
First Carolina drive went for negative yards in the red zone (after bad turnover) and held to a FG.
2nd Carolina drive they punt.
3rd Carolina drive they punt.
4th drive (following an interception) – give up TD on a 45 yard drive primarily due to Mike Jenkins slipping (17-3 game)
<score TD on our drive 10-17)
5th drive – force punt giving offense chance to tie game at half but we don't score
6th drive (opening 2nd half) – force Carolina fumble and give Bucs 2nd chance to tie game but we don't score
7th drive – fluke fumble TD freakshow. D forces fumble but O scores. 24-10 now
8th drive (following interception) – Only had 30 yards to go for TD 31-10
I don't even need to finish this because this game could have been OURS by this point had we not had 5 f*cking turnovers. Carolina was NOT moving the ball on our defense. All of their points were basically off short field turnovers.
This game is on Winston's mistakes. Lovie's defense had nothing to do with this loss and would have been a reason for a win if we got it. It sucks that Winston's worst game had to come in a game where the rest of the team played well but that's what happened.
October 5th, 2015 at 5:27 pm
BibMacAttack..agree. We will be 1-4 going into the bye week. Our defense will make Bortles look like an All Pro.
October 5th, 2015 at 5:28 pm
Definition
Verge=Toilet
October 5th, 2015 at 5:30 pm
Not a Winston Fan and believe Mariota was the pick with that said this game can’t be blamed totally on Winston . He was trying to hard to start quick.
This whole team is undisciplined period.
Its on the coach..
Houston’s Coach took total blame for loss..Lovie makes excuses and wait and see..
October 5th, 2015 at 5:36 pm
If the Glazers philosophy is about not firing lame duck HCs midseason, (Raheem, Schiano)….
Then its only logical thing to do is fire THIS lame duck HC right now!
Save the Season Glazers! Keep the fanbase alive with some New Blood at HC!!!
Like Otis Redding, Change Has Gotta Come!
October 5th, 2015 at 5:38 pm
On the verge of firing Loser Lovie and trading smiling GMC and butter fingers LVD
October 5th, 2015 at 5:38 pm
“Houston’s Coach took total blame for loss..Lovie makes excuses and wait and see..”
I wrote earlier today to watch Lovie’s presser, how he never takes the blame for losses… Dude just has a list of excuses and cliches. Thats a lack of character and a sign of weakness in a grown man, let alone an NFL HC..
October 5th, 2015 at 5:40 pm
The biggest mistake Lovie needs to take blame for is Brindza. Should have signed someone else just for this week in case he missed an early one to bench him immediately.
But people criticizing the defense are just off. They gave the offense so many chances to take the lead / control of the game. They kept the team in it for most the game despite gift after gift from Winston.
It’s ok to be hard on this team because they are 1-3. But so much is misplaced criticism. Brindza & Mike Evans seriously pretty much single handedly cost us week 3. Team should have been 2-1 entering this game. The D; despite giving up some good yardage played well and Winston also played well enough to win that game had 1/2 the missed catches been caught (and there were 8 not 5 that could have been caught; way over what you typically see which is like 1-2 drops max).
IMO through 4 week:
Defense – horrific one week, great one week, solid other 2 weeks
Winston – horrific one week, bad one week, solid other 2 weeks
Lovie = I duno man. I was ready to fire him after Teneesee but the D has been competitive ever since
October 5th, 2015 at 5:43 pm
LOOK LOVIE, THE ONLY #*$@%^ IMPROVEMENT WE WANT TO SEE IS ON THE SCOREBOARD!!!!!!!!
October 5th, 2015 at 5:43 pm
Lovie needs to quite throwing all of those INT’s especially the pick 6’s. And the defense sucks too how the heck do you allow Cam Newton to throw for 125 yds.!! That is ridiculous he should’ve been fired right after the game.
October 5th, 2015 at 5:45 pm
sickening…your are 3-17 – simple as that!
October 5th, 2015 at 5:45 pm
*quit throwing*
October 5th, 2015 at 5:46 pm
“When you make a bad hire, own up to it and move on.
Come on Licht… DO IT”
Licht didn’t make the hire, but I hope he has the power to correct this coaching situation.
October 5th, 2015 at 5:47 pm
I like what Clodhopper has said. I too am waiting for the Sapp and Brooks moment when the players are so sick and tired of losing that the take the lead in effort, being fundamentally sound and demanding all the players play that way. The turnaround starts with them. And maybe our fortunes will change.
October 5th, 2015 at 5:47 pm
Lord Cornelius, Lovie is not even the defensive coordinator of this team. He is the head coach. He is responsible for the entire team, not just the defense. People are criticizing the total loser culture of this team and Lovie’s total indifference towards changing anything at all. And his horrific talent evaluation skills. And his god awful clock management skills. And his lack of balls and desire to always play not to lose and never to win. And his awful record against .500 or better team. Or that the Jets went from disaster to as many wins as Lovie in 4 games.
And that would of course just be a start. Forget the defense, you can’t really defend anything I just mentioned. But people want to keep stressing “Patience, continuity” blah blah blah. Again, I will say it: Lovie Smith is 2 games behind Lane Kiffin’s 20 games in Oakland. When your coach is looking up at Lane Kiffin, look out your franchise is in deep trouble.
October 5th, 2015 at 5:50 pm
I never said he made the hire, sorry if you read it that way
October 5th, 2015 at 5:52 pm
And LC
I was a Lovie advocate, no anti-love bias here.
Just recognize bad coaching when I see it.
October 5th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
Can Lovie be sued for malfeasance to get back some of that $20 Million?
October 5th, 2015 at 6:01 pm
bucrightoff Patience is the key to winning. Do you want to win? I want multiple championships. I have been a Bucs fan for 33 years and it is time to stop the coaching carousel. Since their inception (1976) the Bucs have had 10 Head Coaches. 1 Super Bowl Win. Cannot keep changing coaches. We need to model after the Pittsburgh Steelers. They have the most Super Bowl Wins. 8 Super Bowl Appearances, 6 Super Bowl Wins. They have had THREE head coaches since 1969, Chuck Noll, Bill Cowher and Mike Tomlin. Before that they had 16 head coaches from 1933 – 1968 with ONE playoff appearance in that time and Zero titles. They stopped the carousel and went for continuity and it paid off with SIX Super Bowl Wins. GO BUCS!!
October 5th, 2015 at 6:10 pm
BucDaddy82 you’re forgetting one vital factor in this case: Lovie Smith misses the playoffs now 3 times as often as he makes it. Multiple championships? Pft, Lovie is unlikely to lead us to back to back playoff apperances. This isn’t some newbie, he’s a retread with a mediocre track record. People fawn over “Rex Grossman Super Bowl”….how about actually examining the record deeper? Lovie is so mediocre is hurts. He’s taking us nowhere, especially when he’s doing verbatim the same things he did in Chicago.
You also use the Steelers, one of the NFLs 4 best run franchises. Our franchise is run by the loser Glazer boys, arguably in the bottom 3 worst owners in the league. Do you know why bad teams keep hiring coaches every 2 years? It’s not lack of patience, it’s because they make bad hires to begin with. You keep fighting for Lovie, and enjoy the 2-14 to at best 10-6 seasons that will follow.
This isn’t a great coach. Please look into him deeper, maybe ask a few Bears fans what he’s all about. Or bury your head in the sand and think it’s gonna get better. Whichever you’d prefer.
October 5th, 2015 at 6:14 pm
They’ll be asking for patience 3 years from now when we are still a perennial loser
October 5th, 2015 at 6:18 pm
So bucrightoff what would be your plan?
October 5th, 2015 at 6:23 pm
I wish there was a way to upvote/downvote comments. Some of you guys crack me up.
October 5th, 2015 at 6:23 pm
Nobody outside One Buc is buying his BS because he’s been over-promising and under-delivering since he got here. As bad as things are the attitude around here would not be as negative if he’d lowered expectations and told the truth about what to expect during rebuilding. Too many fundamental mistakes and not enough depth = just about what we’re seeing.
October 5th, 2015 at 6:24 pm
“Lord Cornelius, Lovie is not even the defensive coordinator of this team. He is the head coach. He is responsible for the entire team, not just the defense.”
I understand that but his impact is supposed to be 80% felt on having a good defensive squad that plays disciplined and creates turnovers. And I’m trying to evaluate the team realistically based upon the personnel’s responsibilities through 4 games. Incompetent coaching is not something I’d describe as the primary problem if I am trying to be honest.
We fumbled twice against the saints in the 4th quarter in our own territory. THAT is why the Saints got back in the game. Not play calling. We were still throwing in the 4th if you look at the box score.
At Houston our kicker missed 10 points in FGs and our offense had 1 third down conversion and 8 drops; 4-5 of which were extremely catchable balls. THAT is why we lost that game. Not coaching or play calling.
I get being upset if you look at the body of work from last year to now; but I’m simply talking 2015 and more specifically week 4’s loss to Carolina. The defense played a great game imo. They kept Greg Olsen in check. They limited Cam Newton and forced punts on pretty much every drive that wasn’t started with a turnover by Tampa/Winston. They forced 2 fumbles and one was somehow a freakshow TD for Carolina. Lavonte dropped a pick (is that Lovie’s fault too?)
I WISH I could blame Lovie for week 4 because I have more faith in Winston long term than him; but I just can’t because those were just bad turnovers that fall squarely on the shoulders of the players – specifically Winston.
It’s not like Winston didn’t have help. The running game was going great. THe defense was keeping the team in the game. Coaching didn’t have anything to do with 5 turnovers for 27 points.
October 5th, 2015 at 6:25 pm
Lovie was 81 wins and 63 losses before coming to Tampa. only 3 losing seasons in 9 years in Chicago. Lovie is not the problem. If you cannot see that you are not a smart football fan.
October 5th, 2015 at 6:26 pm
BucDaddy82,
You bring up the Steelers?
Look what Tomlin did his 1st 2 seasons there.. 10-6, 12-4
Bill Cowher? His 1st two seasons? 11-5, 9-7.
Lovie has no business being compared to those two. Lovie’s a coach on the decline. And the longer we stick with him, the farther down he takes us…
It’s 2015, an NFL franchise can go from last to 1st these days (at least in a division)…
The Glazers picked Rah, Dom, Schiano… Three unproven dudes…
Maybe they let a seasoned guy like Licht, with connections, find the right HC next time.
October 5th, 2015 at 6:29 pm
He was asked if he could be specific about “getting better.” His response wasn’t specific. He mentioned “3rd downs,” etc….When he says they are getting better what is he comparing it to? Is he comparing this game to the previous games and then arriving at a stat? Or is he comparing this game to last week? If he is not factoring in all variables then there is no proof of getting better. It’s pretty sad that this coach doesn’t understand 6th grade math. You can’t just say you are getting better without utilizing the proper method. What if their percentages drop in the key areas next week? That’s why it makes no sense that he says that are getting better. Based on what??? You are judged by WINS and LOSSES! When he takes his care in to get fixed and they only fix part of it and tell him “it’s running better than when you brought it in.” What does that mean??!!!!
October 5th, 2015 at 6:31 pm
Cowher also had a couple of 6-10 seasons. Should’ve been fired right? No.
Tomlin went 8-8 a couple of times. AND He was HERE in Tampa from 2001 – 2005 and could not see his potential?
October 5th, 2015 at 6:32 pm
The Glazers mistake? Giving the keys to franchise to 3 newbies, Rah, Dom, and Schiano…
Then they made the mistake of giving Lovie Power of Personnel, (before hiring a competent GM, which I think Licht is)..
Now that we have a GM with experience and success under his belt, the Glazers need to stay in the background, and let Licht find our next HC…
In the meantime, Fire Lovie, and make Koetter or Frazier our Interim..
October 5th, 2015 at 6:33 pm
In 2005 Lovie’s Bears were 11-5 with Kyle Orton at QB. That Bears team started the season 1-3……………………….
October 5th, 2015 at 6:37 pm
Lovie’s real sticky, he’ll be hard to pry off. The perfect coach for a team of miserable losers. He rates right up there with the worst of the Bucs coaching of all time. Just a big snooze.
October 5th, 2015 at 6:37 pm
Everytime I sit on the toilet i am on the verge of replicating the bucs sunday performance.
October 5th, 2015 at 6:38 pm
I miss Leeman Bennet
October 5th, 2015 at 6:40 pm
BucDaddy you are a hopeless fan.
That is all.
A blind, hopeless, sad, fan.
lol Coaching is not the problem what a tool, who the hell cares what he did in Chicago?
October 5th, 2015 at 6:41 pm
Ray Perkins had more wins his first year (4) than lovie has in almost a year and a half.
October 5th, 2015 at 6:45 pm
Richard Williamson 4 – 15
Lovie Smith 3- 17
COMPLETE FAILURE
October 5th, 2015 at 6:47 pm
bench jameis, he needs more practice, more coaching, more time to learn. Start MG. The team needs a spark.
October 5th, 2015 at 6:47 pm
Lovie should just tell it like it is. It’s all George Bush’s fault!
October 5th, 2015 at 6:48 pm
@BucDaddy,
The NFL today is Nothing like it was in 2005! And This is the problem! Lovie is still stuck in 2005 while the rest of the game passes him by!
October 5th, 2015 at 6:52 pm
PRBucFan you’re funny. Let’s set a couple of things straight. I’m not a “hopeless” fan, actually just the opposite I am very “hopeful” and not negative. I have been through this before with the Bucs. I’m not blind, hopeless, or sad. And definitely not a tool. I’m very hopeful, positive, happy and a very knowledgeable fan. I don’t have to resort to name calling to make my point. Name calling shows a definite lack of intelligence and self esteem. Go BUCS!!
October 5th, 2015 at 6:54 pm
….on the verge of pulling off the biggest scam in coaching history
October 5th, 2015 at 7:03 pm
The one thing about Lovie that can’t escape me and never will was what he kept saying for the first few months when he was hired. It’s burned into my brain and I want to remind you all of it too, so you can have it stuck in yours as well, while we continue to lose.
“But we we’re a 4-12 team last year”
Oh and let’s not EVER forget the magic words. “We don’t expect our fans to be patient.”
Keep those 2 things in your head while we continue to lose.
Enjoy and you’re welcome! 🙂
October 5th, 2015 at 7:17 pm
Who cares what he did in Chicago? If he was so beloved there he wouldn’t have been fired after 10-6. Here in Tampa he is a loser. Bad personnel choices, bad assistants, bad clock management and unable to make in game adjustments.
Bucs have a worse defense and more penalties than they did under Schiano! Glazers suck at hiring coaches
October 5th, 2015 at 7:17 pm
Lord Cornelius ….I’m with you I thought the rest of the team played great against the Panthers outside of Brindza and Winston. Winston was the reason they lost the game. Not really Lovie. I have seen improvement since week 1, it just doesn’t show up on the scoreboard at the end of the game, and that’s all I really care about anyways.
I’m not making a case to fire Lovie or not fire Lovie anymore. At least I’m going to make an honest effort to hold back from doing so. I don’t see it happening til after the season anyways.
October 5th, 2015 at 7:18 pm
Glad to see that Laughable Lovie still has jokes… On the verge… if it was not so sad it would be funny. Loive is a complete failure a total embarrassment to this franchise, city and the human race in general… but he has jokes…. On the verge…
October 5th, 2015 at 7:25 pm
Listen…..I have finally joined the get rid of Lovie chorus……but.
This last game was not on Lovie Smith…..sure the coach is always the target….
But the evidence shows differently….the defense absolutely played good enough to win…..we turned the ball over 5 times and had some missed kicks….we missed a couple of defensive turnover opportunities….one resulting in a fluke touchdown.
The bottom line if we gifted Carolina most of their points….they would even admit that.
October 5th, 2015 at 7:30 pm
Dan Quinn first year HC coaching in the NFL is 4-0 with the Falcons and is going to kick the hell out of Lovie’s Bucs when we play them.
Meanwhile what is Lovie on his 165th game in the NFL? And here we sit.
October 5th, 2015 at 7:35 pm
BucDaddy although I will respect you and not call you names
But your reference to the Bears is apples and Oranges.
This team has talent that is is in different stages. Rookie , Raw and most all are undisciplined.
That Bears team although they lost 3 in the first four they were in those games and playing decent PRO Ball
I don’t think Bucs True fans would be upset if the Bucs looked like a Pro Team. The Bucs look like a Joke.
Lovie is not a good Coach. If you see something he has done please share it…not 10 years ago but now
October 5th, 2015 at 7:42 pm
TBBF…correct. I see a few peeps in here saying we looked just like last week.
I didn’t see that. Fans perhaps are angry and upset because of the loss, but I can’t put that blame on Lovie for losing that game. Too many good things WERE happening. How many of you thought we’d be down on 17-10 at the half? If not for Winston’s pick 6 the game was tied at the half.
I’m all for firing him like I keep saying…..but I do see improvement. Baby steps it might be. It is there though. The O-line looks better run block and pass blocking at times. Lovie’s actually blitzing QB’s now. The DB’s well, well, well. Jennings and Jenkins??? I’ll just leave it at that or for at least the next 10 minutes or so.
October 5th, 2015 at 7:43 pm
Lovie: 2010: 11-5, 2011: 8-8, 2012: 10-6 then fired by the Bears. The Bears since firing Lovie 2013: 8-8, 2014: 5-11, 2015: 1-3 and on their SECOND coach since firing Lovie. It’s gonna take some time here with a Rookie QB to win regularly but it will happen. Probably 2-3 years with Lovie. The most successful franchises DO Not change Head Coaches very often.
October 5th, 2015 at 7:55 pm
Everybody who wants to fire Lovie, what’s your plan? Who are you gonna hire?
October 5th, 2015 at 7:55 pm
OK but we have had 3 coaches since firing Chucky ..
No one gave Schanio a chance and he was fired after having the Freeman fall apart and MRSA attack.. His record was much better.
Lovie has two complete failures at CB right now. Verner on the Bench. Really Verner is not better than Jennings.
Gives Jennings game after game to screw up and sends Humphries packing…
Tackling is not good much like under Raheem..
We are not playing Professional football and that falls on Coach.
October 5th, 2015 at 7:56 pm
“How many of you thought we’d be down on 17-10 at the half?”
One of my biggest problems with that game… 11 seconds left to run 2 plays… Take a shot in the endzone to tie it up 17-17, if we came up short? We could still settle for a FG attempt, make it 17-14.
Lovie admitted in his presser today he was looking to up 17-14… Its THIS mentality, of not even trying to tie it up, that kills me… Not only did we not attempt a TD, we tried to settle for a FG, and we even missed that…
Lovie coaches like a coward… Period.. And dont think that that type of mindset doesnt trickle down to his players..
October 5th, 2015 at 8:04 pm
Lovie is like the man out looking for gold, I know its here just another foot deep and will find it, Or a gambler,, just one more pull of the handle and I will hit the big one,,, FIRE THIS CLOWN, Because the people on this site knows more then he does about football !!!!!!!
October 5th, 2015 at 8:06 pm
This Guy Right Here…look I’m not defending the guy. I was just as pissed as everyone else that he didn’t go for blood before the half. It was painfully obvious to everyone when that drive started he was playing for 3 points.
But like I said. Most of us including me thought that game would be over before the half and it wasn’t. The Bucs were right in it. That’s all I’m saying.
October 5th, 2015 at 8:08 pm
New England’s has a DC that may work out..
If we keep Lovie how long do you give him to win..
2 more years or 3 … Bucs franchise can’t take that long or it will be moved…LA is dying for a team and the NFL wants that market
NFL = NOT FOR LONG…
October 5th, 2015 at 8:10 pm
I would not have moved on from Schiano so quickly. But they did and Lovie took over a franchise that needs a lot of repair. It will realistically take another 2 – 3 years for player development and coaching to make us into a winner. It will happen but it is not a quick fix. A quick fix gets you what we have had since 2009. I want to win now too, but that is not realistic with a rookie QB. I have been a Bucs fan since 1982. But if we are going to be a successful franchise, successful franchises do not change coaches very much. Cincinnati is 4-0 and looks great and could be AFC Champs this year, but Marvin Lewis has been there since 2003. Sometimes it progresses faster for some teams. New England Belichick has been there since 2000. Giants Coughlin 2004, Packers McCarthy 2006, Payton New Orleans 2006, Tomlin Steelers 2007, Harbaugh Ravens 2008. ALL except for Lewis in Cincinnati have WON Super Bowls. Not a coincidence. Tenure will equal success, usually. Be patient Bucs fans we have the right people in place now it needs a few years to gel and succeed. It will happen, it did before from 1996 – 2008 (and Lovie was a part of some of that Bucs turnaround). Go BUCS!!
October 5th, 2015 at 8:14 pm
This franchise is NOT MOVING. The Glazers are getting ready to build a new indoor practice facility, Glazers just built One Buc Place less than 10 years ago with their own money. The Stadium lease deal here is too good and air tight until 2028.
October 5th, 2015 at 8:16 pm
BucDaddy82 Says:
October 5th, 2015 at 8:10 pm
“I would not have moved on from Schiano so quickly. But they did and Lovie took over a franchise that needs a lot of repair.”
You don’t think this team looks worse than Schiano’s? Lot’s of repair? Lovie is the one with the hatchet. How many players has he brought in and let go since he’s been here? How many players did he get rid of when he got here only to replace them with players he gets rid of the next year? Example Penn for Collins? Where’s Collins now? That’s just one example.
You talk repair?
October 5th, 2015 at 8:16 pm
And out of all those Coaches you mentioned name one year they had Two seasons as bad as this…Not just losing but playing horrible..We are worse under Lovie than either Coach before.
Lovie is not in the same league as those Coaches you mentioned.
I agree on not change coaches every two years but we are showing no growth…Bad decision does not get better with time
October 5th, 2015 at 8:18 pm
I mean how many player evaluations do they have to get wrong during this “repair”job, before you get it right?
October 5th, 2015 at 8:18 pm
BucDaddy, nice of you to show those last 4 seasons of Lovie’s time in Chicago. You should have also pointed out that only one of those meant playoffs. Did you know in his last 8 seasons as a coach, he has exactly that, one playoff apperance? One! That’s a good coach? Not in any sane, rational person’s mind. Ready for some more horryfing numbers? Hide your eyes!
Lovie’s career record against .500 or better teams: 31-55 (.360)
Number of seasons missed playoffs in 11 years: 8
Wins in his last 28 games: 6 (include Bears)
Number of career offensive co-ordinators: 7 (yikes…)
You are acting like we have a proven, consistent winner. Hardly. You’re talking about a coach closer to Leslie Frazier, Jim Caldwell, Brad Childres and, Tony Sporano than Bill Belichick or Pete Carroll or Jim Harbaugh. Lovie is another in a long list of loser retread coaches who were no better than their first stop. I’m sorry you so badly want him to succeed, but he’s not going to.
This team is at least 2 steps backwards from Schiano, and has not improved since week 1 of Lovie’s time here. You must appreciate that you are in the extreme minority of not just Buc fans, but all NFL fans on Lovie right? You’re hoping against hope. You sound like you’ll take 10 wins in 3 years to give Lovie an extension. Higher your standards dude.
October 5th, 2015 at 8:21 pm
Eliot! ahhh
That’s some funny a$$ stuff right there.
Scott Fitzgerald, just stop. You’re an enabler toasting over the kool-aid. Human beings are smarter than that.
I’m going to go on a limb here – mark it down: 10/5/15 – that depending upon how the Dolphins look moving forward over the next 4-5 games depends upon, if Lovie continues to “seige” our Sundays, whether he keeps his job til the end of the year.
October 5th, 2015 at 8:21 pm
So again, if you want to fire Lovie what’s your plan? Who do you hire? Why do you hire them?
October 5th, 2015 at 8:22 pm
BucDaddy82 Says:
October 5th, 2015 at 8:14 pm
“This franchise is NOT MOVING.”
Alas we agree by everything you just mentioned afterwards. This team isn’t going anywhere. We are stuck with them. Too many things point to the Bucs never leaving Tampa.
October 5th, 2015 at 8:24 pm
Schiano never had a chance to finish his job. Of course a new coach will make big roster changes and make it their own. It takes time, this Bucs team more than likely will not win more than 4 games this year. It is frustrating beyond belief but starting over again is not the answer.
October 5th, 2015 at 8:24 pm
Oh and please someone hire a President of football operations – maybe Dungy will take it, he still lives here.
We need someone above Lovie, and equally important, Licht – that doesn’t wear glasses and whitey-tighties
October 5th, 2015 at 8:27 pm
Yes we are “stuck” with the Bucs for all those that choose to be fan. I love our NFL team and I hate to see them lose. But it won’t happen forever. It just seems like it!
October 5th, 2015 at 8:27 pm
BucDaddy82…I don’t have an answer for you, because I don’t do the hiring. The ones that do, don’t seem to get it right though. So they can fire him, or keep him for all I care. I have no faith in their next hire anyways, before he even walks through the door. That’s where I am at, at this point. I’ll bitch and moan, rightfully so, but when they win they win. I really don’t care how long it takes anymore.
I have no faith in any coach the Glazers decide to hire from now on. I’m not buying the product until I see how it works from now on.
October 5th, 2015 at 8:29 pm
Schiano should’ve gotten a third year. Lovie needs to win some ball games, preferably a home one against the desperate Jaguars.
Time for something to happen. Another ass pounding and something’s gotta give.
October 5th, 2015 at 8:31 pm
Bill Parcells could walk out of OneBuc tomorrow with a contract in hand and it still wouldn’t put a smile on face over it….I have to see the product on the field the from now on. Period.
October 5th, 2015 at 8:32 pm
SteveK…the Jags game MIGHT be the dagger.
October 5th, 2015 at 8:33 pm
Buc1987…I can respect that but I choose to remain positive. This is the same fan talk from 1980’s and 1990’s until we FINALLY started winning. When fans are there through all of the tough times it makes winning that much sweeter. Fair-weather fans would not know what winning really tastes like because they choose not be there when everything is going wrong.
October 5th, 2015 at 8:40 pm
BucDaddy82 …you’re talking to a guy that coined the phrase. “Futility makes winning sweeter”. It’s my personal Buc fan creed. It’s how I survive being a fan.So I understand where you’re coming from.
I suffered the from 1987 until Dungy. Then I saw the SB trophy raised in 2003. When the team started to lose years afterwards. That’s when I came up with my personal creed. I keep telling myself I’ve been through this before.
October 5th, 2015 at 8:49 pm
Nothing but Respect for you Buc1987! We have been through this before and it will turn out good. Just gotta give Lovie a real opportunity. He has a 5 year contract and I doubt the Glazers would fire him before that.
October 5th, 2015 at 8:50 pm
No fan needs to throw out replacement candidates. Especially when first year never been head coaches in ATL, NY both have their teams playing much better than Loser Lovie
October 5th, 2015 at 8:53 pm
I’d be all about some Chip Kelly if he were cut loose. That style of football in the Florida heat would be devastating.
October 5th, 2015 at 8:56 pm
Chip Kelly was the Glazers first choice before Schiano and the Glazers were extremely close to hiring Kelly. But at the last moment Kelly said no. So they went with Schiano.
October 5th, 2015 at 8:59 pm
“So again, if you want to fire Lovie what’s your plan? Who do you hire? Why do you hire them?”
Uhhh, Ive been saying this since Sept 14… Fire Lovie! Dirk Koetter for Interim HC, Leslie for DC! (or vice versa)
In the offseason, lets evaluate, let Licht make the decision whether to keep who we have, or find some New Blood!!
In the past we let the Glazers choose Dom, Rah, Schiano & Lovie… At least Licht has experience in the F.O. in this league. Let Him decide..
(I personally wouldnt mind seeing Pagano down here if Koetter doesnt work out)
October 5th, 2015 at 9:01 pm
When he walked into a room, he commanded attention. All eyes went to him. He wasn’t a loud, flashy, overly exuberant guy. He was just very cool and calm and so obviously confident. – Charles Tillman on Lovie Smith
October 5th, 2015 at 9:05 pm
Buc1987…….nice
October 5th, 2015 at 9:08 pm
Bill Billicheat had 1 winning season in five years with the Browns….
The question is when to say when? He had some 7-9’s in there too.
If Lovie could get us some 7-9’s I don’t mind holding on.
How many games does he need to win this season to satisfy you guys that were headed inn the right direction? We won 2 last season. What if he finishes strong winning 4 out of the last 6 games and they go 7-9 having won a couple before that finish.
Does 7-9 do it for you?
October 5th, 2015 at 9:08 pm
“When he walked into a room, he commanded attention. All eyes went to him. He wasn’t a loud, flashy, overly exuberant guy. He was just very cool and calm and so obviously confident”
Problem is, whenever FOX pans the camera on Lovie after a bad play, especially towards the end of the game, I see a man lost. Nothing else up his sleeve.
October 5th, 2015 at 9:09 pm
“Bill Billicheat had 1 winning season in five years with the Browns….”
And then he mastered the rules and how to bend them…
October 5th, 2015 at 9:15 pm
“How many games does he need to win this season to satisfy you guys that were headed inn the right direction? We won 2 last season. What if he finishes strong winning 4 out of the last 6 games and they go 7-9 having won a couple before that finish.
Does 7-9 do it for you?”
Actually yeah.. 7-9 would do it for me… no joke… but he would have to go 6-6 the rest of the season… so look at the upcoming schedule, and tell me with a straight face that you see us winning 6 more games.
October 5th, 2015 at 9:18 pm
LOL I know I already looked at the schedule. I predicted 5-11 before the season with Lovie needing 6 to keep his job. Other than the Jags I don’t know where he’s going to get those 3 other wins to get to 5-11.
October 5th, 2015 at 9:20 pm
How many of you would take Ravens coach John Harbaugh over Lovie?
October 5th, 2015 at 9:28 pm
Double the wins from last year, have a couple of close losses and show improvement. I would like more but with a rookie QB just show signs of understanding and improvement. 4-12 in 2015 and 12-4 in 2016!
October 5th, 2015 at 9:29 pm
@87, Id rather take his crazy brother Jim… think we need a little crazy to wake this team up… but I was looking at potential HC candidates for 2016… and my gut tells me that Jim Mora Jr might be ready for a comeback… He had swag.. (not Gruden Level Swag…) but he’s a little wiser now… And he isnt doing too bad at UCLA… just saying…
October 5th, 2015 at 9:33 pm
87, that was also Bellichecks first gig…Lovie has what, 10 seasons as a HC under his belt? This is what Lovie is
October 5th, 2015 at 9:34 pm
My pick for next year is Sean Payton who I think will be available…choice two is Texas A&Ms Kevin Sumlin
October 5th, 2015 at 9:38 pm
BucDaddy82 Says:
October 5th, 2015 at 8:49 pm
Nothing but Respect for you Buc1987! We have been through this before and it will turn out good. Just gotta give Lovie a real opportunity. He has a 5 year contract and I doubt the Glazers would fire him before that.
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Ok to answer who do we hire, that’s been answered: Lovie is clearly awful, but Schiano wasn’t good and Raheem likewise awful. The Glazers are the only constant in all of that. Until they sell the team, or let someone run the football stuff rather than their incompetent asses, it’s basically playing craps and hoping to hit that 7 or 11. Maybe we’ll get lucky, who knows.
As to getting 5 years, you realize this team has been booed in both of it’s home right after drafting a QB at #1? That’s pretty hard to do and totally embarrassing, as bad or worse than Schiano’s second year in 2013. In that ugly start to the year they only had two bad losses in 8 games, and those were 23-3 and and 31-13. If not for garbage time yesterday we’d have two losses of 21+ in 4 games.
We hired Lovie to recover from the Schiano embarrassment, and now we’re more embarrassing. The Glazers know 90% of the fans are ready to move on. A few more bad losses this year or another 5 win or less season and they’ll be bringing him back in the same way the Dolphins brought Philbin back. How’s that working out for them?
October 5th, 2015 at 9:47 pm
I cant see “turning it around” when a new coaching staff is brought in every 2 years. Lovie doing a sh*tty job? Ummmm ya. but jeez. Rah, 2 yrs. Schiano 2 yrs. looks like its getting worse as each 2 yrs goes by. just sayin’
October 5th, 2015 at 9:49 pm
Maybe start with a strong GM that will be able to draft. cutting your draft picks and scarfing up other teams “table scraps” on cut down day ain’t gonna cut it.
October 5th, 2015 at 10:06 pm
Pitt…Rah had 3 just sayin.
October 5th, 2015 at 10:11 pm
Love is the problem. It’s obvious in the number of bonehead penalties, the bust free agent signings. The conservative practice and play calling. This has allowed the culture of losing to endure. While I’m loathe to change coaches again I see no other option. Hopefully we can grab Jimbo Fisher, Bob Stoops, Bill Cower, or my pick David Shaw.
If we continue down this path with Love we will set the Bucks back years and will cause yet more intensive rebuilding. Bottom line, we won’t win again for 5+ years.
October 5th, 2015 at 10:16 pm
“I cant see “turning it around” when a new coaching staff is brought in every 2 years. Lovie doing a sh*tty job? Ummmm ya. but jeez. Rah, 2 yrs. Schiano 2 yrs. looks like its getting worse as each 2 yrs goes by. just sayin’”
The whole ‘2 year’ argument is misguided… The problem with those hurings, is that the Glazers played a role in each of those hirings, Rah, Schiano.. Each of them unqualified and in no place to lead an NFL team… The Schiano hiring was assisted by Dom, unexperienced and unqualified to Manage an NFL team.. So the Glazers then went and took matters into their own hands, hiring Lovie, trying to win back the fanbase with a relic from the Dungy Era… Then Licht was eventually hired….
Thing is, the Glazers best move in the last 8 years might be Licht.. He’ll give them the option of taking a backseat to the next HC hiring… which is a must… Let Licht evaluate the progression of the team under our Interim HC, and give him final say over who the next Bucs HC will be in ’16. Glazers – sit this one out!
October 5th, 2015 at 10:18 pm
I would interview Winston Moss for HC. Asst HC for GB since 06. Born and raised in Miami. Played LB for UM (need I say more). Was drafted in the 2nd rnd by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I like this guys resume a lot.
I’d also look at Josh McDaniels bc of his ties to Licht although I really don’t think I’d play for him so he’s won’t really work.
Jimbo for obvious reasons.
But above all I’d offer Jimmy Johnson president of football ops. He’ll fix this mess in a heartbeat.
October 5th, 2015 at 10:23 pm
So forget this 2 year BS…
Definition of insanity, is Lovie Head Coaching this same team year after year and expecting better results…
Dudes past his prime… Cut bait Glazers..
October 5th, 2015 at 10:44 pm
Beating a garbage team like the Jags will mean nothing! Now beat a good team or make it respectable and we are on the right track. Everyone says the Panthers is a weak team. Well they just beat us. Beating Garbage teams is not progress.
October 5th, 2015 at 10:51 pm
To Sum it Up, It’s not about hiring coaches every 2 years.. Its about the Glazers not having to make the hiring decisions…
After firing Gruden/Allen, they went hard on hiring unqualified unknowns like Rah, Dom & Schiano… Hoping to hit paydirt with one of them…
They came back down to reality, still having to make another move themselves, went for experience & familiarity with Lovie, they tried, it didnt work out… But they got Licht now…
So the next decisicion wont have to be the Glazers’ to make.. Give Licht that Rich McKay status, let him find a guy hungry enough to coach… But not as greedy as Lovie who wanted full control of all operations, when he cant even control or coach his Defense..
October 5th, 2015 at 11:04 pm
Just for shytes and giggles, can we hook a lie detecter up to Lovie as he speaks!The machine would explode!!!!!
October 6th, 2015 at 12:05 am
I don’t give a damn if we beat Jacksonville, until we get some respectability back, the pro ready “Americas Q.B.” and “Americas Coach” can go to he!! for all I care after this same old song and dance.They must think fans are gullible and stupid believing this week after week
October 6th, 2015 at 4:15 am
Lovie’s plan is to stock the roster with talent via three or four consecutive #1 overall picks.
This is some karate kid spit right here. To win, grasshopper, you must first lose.
October 6th, 2015 at 4:49 am
All this talk about it takes time is laughable. Quinn in ATL, Chip in Philly 10 wins, Reid in KC=2-14 to playoffs all in 1st year. Why is losing so acceptable here?
October 6th, 2015 at 10:31 pm
I got it
Your a blind optimist
The worst type of fan.
And thanks I like being funny.
And aren’t you noble ATrain.
I call a spade a spade when I see one.