Ex-Bucs Getting Irked, Too
October 5th, 2015
A former Bucs player was not laughing about left tackle Donovan Smith’s jovial Twittering last night.
Bucs fans are in a deep state of depression today, on top of the normal Monday blues. It’s ugly out there.
Yet another season appears to be down the tubes, another January spent trying to remember what winning a playoff game feels like.
It’s been so long young Bucs fans have no memory of such an event.
A reminder: Not since Chucky hoisted the Vince Lombardi Trophy aloft in victory have the Bucs won a playoff game. And that was January 2003.
So Joe can sort of understand how and why a guy with a Bucs Super Bowl ring reacted the way he did to Bucs rookie Donovan Smith on Twitter last night.
Smith (boy, that Jared Allen had a bunch of sacks yesterday, didn’t he?) apparently tried to engage some fans on Twitter last night in a friendly, jovial manner and former Bucs quarterback Shaun King, one of but three quarterbacks to lead a team to an NFC Championship game, didn’t much like Smith’s happy Twittering.
@DSmith_76 no offense but rook y’all lost today, looked bad, team is 1-3, log off
— shaun king (@realshaunking) October 5, 2015
Joe really, really likes Smith. Great guy and sure looks to be a helluva second round pick. But King was right. Just a few hours after a bad loss to a division opponent, which puts your coach square in the middle of a bullseye, is not the proper time to try to engage fans with happy chatter while they are seething from the loss.
Better to be chipper later in the week when things have calmed down.
Like any other rookie, Smith will learn the proper timing of joking around with fans on Twitter. It was harmless but sends a bad vibe that it’s OK to lose.
October 5th, 2015 at 3:13 pm
Smith then followed up with genuine confusion as to what King was talking about. Like Joe said, it’s totally harmless, but just looks bad. Also, a rookie like Smith doesn’t understand the amount of frustration the fans of this team have due to years and years of crappy play. The last thing we want to see is a player appearing to be having a good laugh after we just spent our hard earned money to watch another blowout. Of course they laugh and move on, but we just don’t want to see it. I would guess someone from the Bucs whose job it is to monitor everyone’s social media feeds made a quick call to Smith.
October 5th, 2015 at 3:14 pm
So this guy on the radio, with the show that starts @3, trying to deflect blame from Lovie… Put it on a QB who’s just starting his 4TH! only his 4th NFL game!
Hey “Dean”, When a team, for the last 17 of 20 games, finds a way to lose???? THE ONLY COMMON DENOMINATOR in ALL THOSE LOSSES???? ….Lovie.
October 5th, 2015 at 3:15 pm
This kid will never be a good tackle horrible feet and horrible hand movement gets passed right by with fast defensive ends should of never drafted him in the second round should of went defensive end like the kid from Utah … Smith will be a guard sooner or later .with his power could probably be a really good guard .
October 5th, 2015 at 3:19 pm
Hell, Jameis’ record as a Buc? 1-4 .25 win %
Lovie as a Buc?? 3-17… .15 win%
The only CONSTANT, in our last 17 of 20 losses??? Lovie…
October 5th, 2015 at 3:21 pm
*1-3…
October 5th, 2015 at 3:21 pm
DB55 Says:
October 5th, 2015 at 2:51 pm
@joe
“[Donovan] Smith was the second-best offensive tackle in the league during Week 4, though teams playing on Monday night have yet to be graded. He earned a rating of +3.7, falling in behind Buffalo’s Cordy Glenn and right above Cleveland’s eight-time Pro Bowler, Joe Thomas. “. Bucs com
October 5th, 2015 at 3:23 pm
Dudes were smiling and laughing on the sidelines yesterday.
This team is a joke.
There aint no “dogs” on this team, just a bunch of pu**ies!
Go Sucs!
October 5th, 2015 at 3:28 pm
This is the same type of attitude that I saw yesterday from Lansanah after he sacked Cam near the goal line. Down by 14, about to be 17 with like 10 minutes left, Lansanah gets the sack and decides that’s a good time to mock Cam with a Superman pose.
Made me sick to see that. These guys just don’t care about losing. They care about getting theirs.
If you want to see how a champion reacts after getting their doors blown off, watch Jameis’ press conference from after the game. THATS how losing should affect you
October 5th, 2015 at 3:32 pm
Cream
Totally agree and I’d add vjax to that list.
October 5th, 2015 at 3:36 pm
Guys laughing on the sideline….I directly point to the coach. He has to hold these guys accountable for their actions. If I was coach I would go straight to suicides on Monday and make them run laps for laughs. Watch the press conference of the dolphins interim head coach speaking. Exactly the type of demeanor the Bucs need. Most players don’t like it but when you start winning as a player you understand why your coach did what he did and you appreciate him for it. No more time for boys we need to make men out of these guys.
October 5th, 2015 at 3:36 pm
you people make me sick. Hes a rookie who has played 4 games and has let up what .. 3 sacks? the kid is looking serviceable already. Hes only in his young twenties… you guys want a Andrew Whitworth from day one?? get real
October 5th, 2015 at 3:37 pm
@Guy There are more common denominators the past two seasons, and they actually extend back to around 2008 when the losing started. There are 3 of them, named Bryan, Joel, and Ed; they are the Glazer boys, who took over decision making when Malcolm Glazer fell ill.
They let Monte Kiffin walk and they fired Jon Gruden after back-to-back 9-7 seasons. They hired Mark Dominik, Raheem Morris, and Greg Schiano. They put Derrick Brooks to pasture too early. They spent very little in Free Agency for 3 full off-seasons, despite having massive holes in the roster and tons of salary cap room. They hired Lovie Smith and Jason Licht, and they approved the drafting of Jameis “The human interception machine” Winston.
The Glazer boys have presided over one of the worst runs in professional sports history, where almost every decision they’ve made has backfired. But the Joes don’t want to hold them accountable for some reason…
October 5th, 2015 at 3:39 pm
Has any rookie in the NFL ever had 5 turnovers before Crabby did yesterday?
October 5th, 2015 at 3:41 pm
we should put shaun king fat a$$ at guard!!! the rook played great the past 2 games..at least him and marpet aren’t the ones putting the bucs in a hole out of the gate week in and week out…GO BUCS!!!
October 5th, 2015 at 3:42 pm
scott fitzgerald….lol most Buc fans expect INSTANT success from rookies. I thought you knew that by now.
At least of you’ve been on JBF for the past 3-4 years you should know that.
I’m just trying to spare you from getting sick is all.
October 5th, 2015 at 3:45 pm
This team is a total mess. Jameis must be wondering what would have been like coming back to the Seminoles one more year and give it a try for another national championship. Instead he got drafted by arguably the worst team in the NFL, a team with no coaching accountability, no leaders, and no desire to change the losing culture. Damn it suck to be a Bucs fan right now!
October 5th, 2015 at 3:47 pm
@deejay,
The Glazers gave us what we wanted when we let Schiano go… We wanted Lovie, but now its clear… THEY were wrong… WE were wrong!
Recognize a bad investment, take your losses, and Cut Bait! While theres still a season & a franchise to save!
October 5th, 2015 at 3:53 pm
Starting to think The Glazers got to that one radio host… The one who led the charge to run Schiano out of town (and I was on board with that).
Seems like the Glazers got to this guy, maybe with a box of gift certificates to Beef O Bradys, and asked him to ease off Lovie no matter how bad things get (and theyve actually gotten worse)
This “radio host” got bought, was told to keep his mouth shut about Lovie…. Most logical explanation for what Im listening to right now…
October 5th, 2015 at 4:00 pm
Its about time for Lovie’s presser… Cant wait for another hour of cliches:
“very dissapointed”
“we didnt execute”
“we didnt get enough turnovers”
“we gave up too many turnovers”
“there’s a lot of football left”
“it was only one game”
“at least football doesnt start until November!”
October 5th, 2015 at 4:02 pm
Schiano was a better coach than Lovie hands down. At least the team wasn’t getting dubbed every other game. We have become the masters of taking shelakings.
October 5th, 2015 at 4:11 pm
Actual quotes from Lovies presser:
“Simple as that”
“Cant commit turnovers”
“But we’re showing improvement”
“Simple as that” (said it again)
“Wet Balls”
“When you lose, you lose”
“We’re on the verge”
(these are actual real-time quotes!)
October 5th, 2015 at 4:12 pm
Why isn’t Marcus here again?
October 5th, 2015 at 4:16 pm
Actual quotes from Lovies presser:
“This is part of the process”
“Its as simple as that” (said it a 3rd time!)
“Everything that we think we can do, we should do, we’re doing”
SMH… I’m done
October 5th, 2015 at 4:21 pm
I wanna know… Where the heck was Mike Glennon?
October 5th, 2015 at 4:29 pm
If u release a kicker after missed field goals… But don’t BENCH a 3 turnover first quarter QB….THATS BAD COACHING…. BTW Jameis stinks!!!!!!!!! Where in the heck was Mike freaking Glennon!?!?!!?
October 5th, 2015 at 4:48 pm
Let me get this right…he played a solid game but were mad at him because he doesn’t know how to manage PR.
October 5th, 2015 at 4:54 pm
Let’s get back to reality.
Kiffin wanted to leave because he had a chance to coach with his son which he said was a dream of his. What were the Bucs supposed to do, refuse his resignation and chain him to a cubicle?
Brooks was done and that was proven by the fact he never played another snap in the NFL.
October 5th, 2015 at 4:54 pm
Two turnovers for TD’s and a half dozen turnovers in our own territory resulting in what 45 points for other teams? Let’s blame the D!
October 5th, 2015 at 5:06 pm
Oh stop with the butthurt. Don’t blame the rook, it’s not his fault. Lovie is not a disciplinarian. Lovie lives in lala land. King should direct his ire to Lovie, who I swear was sleeping on the side line. Just trying to find another excuse for him.
October 5th, 2015 at 5:34 pm
The mood is established by the HC. Lovie has no fire in the gut, does anyone expect the team to have any. Lombardi would have traded someone for less than that.
October 5th, 2015 at 5:34 pm
Glazer boyz presiding over this 31-73 run in a parity hard cap league. If Lovie gets run that’ll be 3 straight coaching misses in 6 years. Plus they fired a proven coach coming off back to back winning seasons. Now they wanna take a couple home games from you so they can get paid. Have you heard a peep from these guys? This is a bottom line league either you win or you get fired. These guys getting a pass from the media, for the most part..
October 5th, 2015 at 6:15 pm
They don’t hate losing enough. That’s the hardest thing in sports to fix.
October 5th, 2015 at 6:18 pm
“Shaun King, one of two Buc Quarterbacks that lost a NFC Championship Game when his defense gave up 9 points.”
It’s as simple as that!!!
October 5th, 2015 at 6:49 pm
@ Hawaiin Buc. I am sure Smith understands the fans booing them off the field at the end of the half and end of the game. It is getting to the point where players made the team, know they are getting paid and this non emotional coach inspires nothing.
October 5th, 2015 at 7:07 pm
So Lovie is a bad head coach because he’s not yelling and cussing on the sideline?? Just when you thought people couldn’t be any more stupid…
Where do you get these guys Joe!?
“It’s as simple as that” – Lovie Smith aka “I WISH YOU WOULD!”
October 5th, 2015 at 7:47 pm
“So Lovie is a bad head coach because he’s not yelling and cussing on the sideline??”
No OneLove, He’s a bad a head coach because after 17 losses and just 3 wins, after assuming the role as the Head of Personnel (Brindza, Collins, McCown, Jenkins, Johnson, Johnson again, Carter, Verner, and now Humphries), after taking over as DC we see the regression of LVD, we get carved up by Mariota, Mallet, Alfred Blue. We get blown out by 2 times in 4 games.
Our D was supposed to be our one, if not ONLY strength this year, but we’re weak at all 3 phases… and as HC, he oversees all 3 phases… Whatever he’s been selling the past 20 games, our players arent buying… He cant coach our guys up… This team is showing ZERO growth. He’s a 2005 HC trying to hang in 2015… And it just isnt happening..
He’s in over his head, he insults the fans when he speaks in cliches at his pressers, never mans up and puts a loss on himself… Just a few reasons for you.. Put the kool-aid down onelove..
October 5th, 2015 at 7:47 pm
Man ya’ll must not watch the game.
76 is so slowfooted he can’t even get a hand on a guy who speed rushing.
Letting Doug Martin pick up the speedrush would be more effective.
October 5th, 2015 at 7:56 pm
SonofaSchiano Says:
October 5th, 2015 at 6:49 pm
“@ Hawaiin Buc. I am sure Smith understands the fans booing them off the field at the end of the half and end of the game.”
It’s getting to the point that perhaps fans should just boo the team when they run out onto the field before the game. Just get it over with.
October 5th, 2015 at 8:02 pm
This Guy Right Here….all I can say to what you just said to OneLove is…certain people stick together….
Oh boy, now I’m getting punched in the face for that, but it’s true.
October 5th, 2015 at 8:29 pm
a. Thank you King
b. This is the direct result of a lack of accountability. It starts at the top and trickles all the way down… This franchise is a train wreck
October 5th, 2015 at 8:31 pm
This Guy Right Here <– what he said.
October 5th, 2015 at 9:18 pm
10-2
But he’s not pro ready like jamoose
October 5th, 2015 at 10:31 pm
@TpaBayFlyFisher yeah actually Peyton Manning but Jameis aint Peyton and that is a fact. He was an interception machine at FSU last year and nothing has changed.
October 6th, 2015 at 12:04 am
What really effects everyone’s perception is that any tangible growth has been non existent, or at least not visible. Its not the details that effect the outcome of each individual game that fans care about, but just the result. 3-17 is what fans see and thats it. Very few fans actually have a clue as to why the Bucs are 3-17, rather they just see Lovie as the sole reason for that dismal record. And while Lovie does deserve blame, specificaly for his talent evaluation, roster management, There are factors behind each games that are out of his control. Example, most fans wanted us to draft a qb. Most of those people want that qb to be Jameis. So the Bucs draft Jameis. Then yesterday, the qb that most of us wanted, myself too, has five turnovers, it results in a two score loss. Yet, the rookie gets absolved of blame and 100% of it goes to Lovie. So either you didnt expect Jameis to struggle, you didnt want Jameis in the first place, pr your frustration is being aimed at one person and only one person, fair or not.
So I wonder, what do you guys want Lovie to do differently? What was wrong with his gameplan yesterday? What half time adjustments should he have made? How can he make the players stop commiting penalties? How can he get his defenders to stick with their gap? Just wondering.
October 6th, 2015 at 12:21 am
I’m on the FIRE LOVIE bandwagon but let’s not go crazy and forget reality. Reality is 99% of Bucs fans wanted Gruden fired when he got fired. The pressure was put on the Glazers by local media and fans. If we had any idea how greedy we were being, we’d all have lobbied to keep Gruden. Gruden was fired after a 9-7 season. 9 and 7! and because we ended the season failing to win and get in the playoffs, he was canned. Lovie was hired to unanimous approval but the experiment is nearing the end if we don’t see a team that really is on the verge and that is looking like a pipe-dream at this point. This year I would gladly take 6-10 and it would feel like a Superbowl win. It’s fair to say that if we win 4 or 5 games or less, none of us would be surprised. The reality is we haven’t had a GM worth a crap here since Bruce Allen and it’s questionable whether Allen was really decent. Rich McKay is the last one that did something here and he went on to make Atlanta very good. Forget coaching fails. What would we do to have McKay back? His resume spoke for itself with our late 90’s and early 2000’s squads. If we lose to Jax, the Glazers will again face stiff pressure to fire Lovie and this time, Lovie will have had his fair share of opportunity. He just isn’t getting through to these players and this team looks happy to collect a paycheck, rather than refusing to lose. If we do go on the hunt for a head coach, we will need somebody that is ready for the modern day NFL and is preferably young. (Adam Gase, Pep Hamilton)
October 6th, 2015 at 10:40 am
Any news on the Billboard front? Are they ready?
October 6th, 2015 at 11:10 am
People are harsh! I never wanted Winston (hell I didn’t want a qb this year) We had terrible holes in both offensive and defensive lines that were glaring! We had first pick overall and too Winston? I think he will be a good QB in a few years but he will never last that long in TB! He will be cut after his first contract expires and some other team will ride his coat tail to success. If we had to take a qb I wanted Mariotta! Much more polished and has that fast release that’s nearly impossible to defend against. Look at all the best qb’s in history, fast release and zip on ball! Rogers, Young, Marino, and Brady. Also keep in mind it took years to develop that impressive Packers Off line they have. But if you look at that Off line you see a line that pass protects better than any other but the struggle to open holes for running.
The Bucs are young and will get better. When you keep changing things nothing happens but more bad! Lovie didn’t wake up and suddenly forget how the game is played. He knows the problems. He knows these players. He will get this fixed but radio hosts make hay by running coaches and players out of town.
At the end of the day we have to hang in there and deal with the cards we were given. I think its time to get our position coaches replaced with vets like Barber-Lynch-Brooks-Sapp-and yes Young/ Farve if he may be interested. They WILL change the minds of these young ego maniacs we now have on rosters.
Look at Isserman ex player can be great talent finders!