Alstott Preaches “Process”
October 3rd, 2015
Mike Alstott has words for Bucs fans. They don’t sit well with Joe.
Who is ready to sit in the Den of Depression tomorrow and hear the A-train whistle blow again? Joe sure is. Chills.
That whistle, of course, is for Ring of Honor entrant Mike Alstott, who lives in Pinellas County and often counsels Buccaneers fans.
Speaking on the Buccaneers Radio Network, Alstott talked about how fans often tell him to “suit up” and he responds by saying his body is “broken.” They also want to talk about the current Tampa Bay squad.
Alstott serves as a mental health counselor of sorts.
“I give reassurance that the Bucs are going to be a good team,” Alstott said. “They’re going to be a good team, man. Just be patient.
“We’re going to do something good things and that’s what people got to understand. It’s a process. It’s a process. I think they got the wheels in motion in the right direction.”
Iconic Derrick Brooks says the same sort of thing regarding the “process” under Lovie Smith. On WDAE-AM 620 this week, Brooks told Steve Duemig the Bucs defense still needs time to jell and he can see on film that they’re getting closer, though Brooks did not excuse things like poor tackling and execution.
Joe really is at the end of the line when it comes to patience and process.
First-time head coach Mike Zimmer cobbled together a heck of a defense in Minnesota last year while introducing a new scheme. Dan Quinn, a first-time head coach, is undefeated with the 2015 Falcons. Rookies Cam Newton and Andy Dalton had fantastic rookie seasons despite enduring a long lockout that cost them development time in 2011. Raheem Morris went 10-6 with the Bucs in his second season.
Just win.
October 3rd, 2015 at 1:10 pm
That last paragraph!!!
October 3rd, 2015 at 1:19 pm
Yet with Schiano it wasn’t a process….whatever I don’t care anymore. When they win they win. Many questions surround wanting a new coach.
If they get rid of Lovie who’s to say the next guy they hire won’t suck too? They don’t have a good track record lately since firing Gruden. I’d probably bet my house on it that the next coach they hire after Lovie will suck too.
What good coach is going to want to come to Tampa knowing he only has 2 years to turn things around or he’s gone? Hell Schiano went 7-9 in his first season and by week 4 of his 2nd season a Fire Schiano billboard went up. It went up only 20 games into his HC stint.
So that’s why I say when they win they win, but don’t hold your breath waiting for it to happen.
Raheem worked with MUCH less than Schiano and Lovie. Yet got a 10 win season in there, no matter the competition, he WAS working with less. HELL if they fire Lovie, I’m in favor of bringing back Raheem the Dream at this point.
October 3rd, 2015 at 1:22 pm
I have no doubts myself that if Schiano was never fired that the Bucs would be contenders in the thick of the contending action right now. Instead we have whatever this is that Lovie’s brilliance has bestowed upon us. As far as Alstott, have you ever heard a former Bucs favorite say something negative about the team?
October 3rd, 2015 at 1:28 pm
“Joe really is at the end of the line when it comes to patience and process.”
That’s just it Joe, I don’t get it. I’m at the point that no matter who they hire for a HC it just won’t work out. I’m all out of trying to figure out wth is going on with this team. Hell the Ravens were that close to being 0-4 on Thursday night and they’re a lot better team than the Bucs. I guess I can’t complain at 1-2, seeing how we’ve sucked for the past 5-6 seasons.
October 3rd, 2015 at 1:39 pm
Patience?
I will say that to the season ticket sales rep when they ask if I’m renewing.
October 3rd, 2015 at 1:55 pm
Lovie is a proven comodity, But its gonna take him time to wash the lingering “Dom” stench out of One Buc place
Doms horrible drafting, horrible FA signing, and general Bad job have sit this team back so Far, It might as well be an expansion team.
Plus he Brain Washed Joe into loving him.
Im willing to give the process time. As long as we look like last week, and not like week one
October 3rd, 2015 at 1:56 pm
What other options other than patience since it’s the Glazer’s decision.
Stop attending games…..starting to happen.
Stop watching or listening…..
Whine bitch & moan on JBF for a new coach?
Fire Lovie Billboards…..who’s paying?
Pray
Lobby for Legislation
Promote Lovie to team physician….
Overdose on laxitives
October 3rd, 2015 at 2:09 pm
“Whine bitch & moan on JBF for a new coach?”
Exactly TBBF and wait for the next coach so we can wash, rinse, and repeat or whine bitch and moan all over again.
October 3rd, 2015 at 2:22 pm
A rare occurrence, but I agree with Joe 100%. The time for patience is gone. Rookie coaches and QB’s are turning around crappy teams on a dime and we are the ones that are supposed to wait? We’ve been rebuilding since we fired Chucky.
October 3rd, 2015 at 2:29 pm
The bucs will win at home tomorrow just a feeling and again the following week ive haven’t said that in a wile but its going have to com together at some point it will be this week it has too or were moving backwards too much parity in the league and the penalties have to stop or we simply have the wrong man in Tampa I’ve despised the firing of john gruden for a long time now and that’s were all this started the ownership has to get more involved in the league and start acting like owners
October 3rd, 2015 at 2:37 pm
almost isn’t good enough anymore ive been a buc fan since the beginning something is wrong with getting blown out one week and winning the next its the players that half to win these games not lovie and have to win these games for there teammates not the fans jamis was a good start but now its let sees who wants the tight end Jenkins has to find a way to stay on the field for himself not the fans all the talent in the world is worthless unless he plays we simple do not have a player to stretch the field and martin isn’t a bruising back that is needed in the fourth quarter and he needs to move on
October 3rd, 2015 at 2:43 pm
No one around here wants to set the precedent that after 1 season and a couple of games and we are looking for new coaching staffs. But if you are not progressing as a team, and just are the worst in the league at talent evaluation (see every free-agent signed the last 2 years) then if must be replaced. And I have never seen a NFL team Not have a NFL coach!! you might not get your frist choice ( we never get that anyways even when this team was good and stable!!!), but there are always the upstarts that will.
Watching Lovie is like watching in old PGA golfer trying to stay on tour and he only uses 2 golf clubs!!!! can he finish 18 holes, sure! but there are better golfers with a full set of clubs that can have a better score!!!
October 3rd, 2015 at 2:46 pm
The Glazers will just f*** up on the next hire by making like Rob Ryan our HC spinning it well he’s the brother of Rex.
Raheem – Panic hire.. Supposed “interest” from the Broncos(I think) about interviewing for their HC position he was our DC for what all of 3 days?
Schiano – The ultimate panic hire after being left at the alter by Chip. Front office decided lets think Raheem(players coach and easy going) and do the EXACT opposite(drill sergeant with absurd and embarrassing policies) that should work! We could have been a hit reality TV show with all the drama Schiano brought us.
Lovie – Glazers are thinking well the last time we had sustained success for years was with Dungy and Gruden at the helm(clearly neither are available).. Let’s satisfy the majority of our older fans who love “Buc Ball” and hire one of Dungy’s “disciples” in Lovie that should get our fanbase behind us again! It’s worked wonders so far..
Lovie’s lone defense is that he took the Bears to the SB with Rex Grossman.. Congrats for not winning it.
October 3rd, 2015 at 2:53 pm
I’m thinking prayer…..but I don’t do weather or sports prayers…..I usually save the prayer for health or safety etc.
But….I’m not getting any younger and I need some wins….so it just might take prayer.
October 3rd, 2015 at 2:54 pm
Is it just too much to ask not to have to turn my phone off when we play
October 3rd, 2015 at 3:09 pm
Going to the game tomorrow? Look for my mom holding up my sign for me and say hi, she’s a very nice lady. The sign : “I’m Just Here For A-train”
October 3rd, 2015 at 3:10 pm
It didn’t take commenters long to meander away from Mike Alstott and the Ring of Honor and being patient for the process to work.
Can’t blame everyone though … the ‘be patient’ theme has been a yearly drumbeat since 2002. Gets old after the first 9 or 10 years.
Every year it’s the same thing: personnel turnover. Either players or coaches or both. This year half of our starting offense is new. Almost half of our starting defense is new (and several of the rest only have one year with the Bucs beyond that). Pretty hard to develop this little thingie called ‘team chemistry’ in situations like that. The better teams have it. The lesser teams? Not so much.
October 3rd, 2015 at 3:16 pm
I think this fan base has had enough of the “patience” talk. How patient do we need to be just to see a competent team that doesnt beat themselves every sunday? Dan Quinn has as many wins in 3 games as Lovie does in 19 and counting now….
October 3rd, 2015 at 3:18 pm
Vikings lost to the 49ers then played two terrible teams at home. Let’s wait and see where they are at the end of the year.
Falcons got Cowboys with injuries and won a game they should have lost against the Eagles. Let’s wait and see where they are at the end of the year. PRETENDERS.
If the Buccaneers win these nest two games everyone’s tune will be changing.
October 3rd, 2015 at 3:23 pm
Alstott’s right but Lovie’s the one who said he could put 10 games in the win column with defense alone when he got here.
There’s nothing wrong with rebuilding but stop over-promising and tell the truth. OTOH if Lovie really believes this is a winning team then figure out why that winning team doesn’t show up on Sundays.
October 3rd, 2015 at 3:26 pm
Winston Moss asst HC for the GB packers is worth a look for HC IMO. Winningest NFC franchise in the last ten years. Defensive minded coach. Able to scout and develop talent. Understands a winning culture. I like him.
October 3rd, 2015 at 3:28 pm
DefenseRules….the chemistry thing is probably the biggest problem this team has had for the last 10 years. I couple that with players not having played for the team long enough, or lived in the area long enough to even care about the team. Especially those FA’s. What do they have to prove? They already got paid. I also think it’s like that crazy poster CAN’T FIX IT says this team needs to be deloused, sanitized, or something along those lines. What I think he meant is, there’s a losing culture here in Tampa Bay, and there’s not enough players on the Bucs that care to do anything about it. Most of the new players that we acquire in FA have been on winning teams. Perhaps when they come to Tampa and see the lack of effort from so many players, they just follow suit. It’s a losing culture, like the players just expect to lose.
I’m sure the minute their agent told them that there is an offer on the table from the Bucs, most of them went “Oh damn, the Bucs?” So they already had a negative mindset before their plane even touched down in Tampa. If that’s true, then that certainly isn’t any good. Here’s another point. Say a player plays 6 years for the Bills and then signs with Tampa Bay. Does he leave his heart in Buffalo or does he take it to Tampa with him?
I think most FA’s that come to Tampa leave their hearts with their old team. It may not be the case with other teams when they get FA’s, but I was reading Fins fans comments on NFL.com and most of them say Suh was a waste of money. So it could just not be all us.
October 3rd, 2015 at 3:30 pm
I’ve been typing out these long ass books lately in the comments section. Sorry about that, I didn’t mean for it to run on so long. I type so fast and once I get going I just rattle off left and right, before I know it I wrote a book.
October 3rd, 2015 at 4:01 pm
Very simply, it all still goes back to and boils down to the Glazers continually making very bad Head Coach and GM decisions
October 3rd, 2015 at 4:06 pm
Maybe it was because so many wanted rid of Schiano…….but it seems to me that the very vast majority of Buc fans were excited about Lovie Smith becoming the coach…..so, at the time, it didn’t seem like such a bad decision.
October 3rd, 2015 at 4:17 pm
@TBBF
I for one was never crazy about the hiring of Lovie, mainly because I wanted an offensive minded Head Coach hired. But the Glazers decided to try to re-live the glory days………
October 3rd, 2015 at 4:20 pm
TBBF…I think most of us expected to at least see a lot better defense then we’re seeing. Right now I’ll take Schiano’s D over Lovie’s all day long.
BUT as you know Schiano is history, gone, departed, terminated, through, finished, vanished, elsewhere, SYONARA, ADIOS, AU-REVOIR, Auf WIEDERSHEN, CHEERIO, ADJO, ANTIO, DO SVIDANIYA, HASTA LA VISTA, BYE-BYE…. SO LONG Of course, Schiano would say CAIO!!!
October 3rd, 2015 at 4:36 pm
Yeah the Bucs play like an expansion team, but as an expansion team the Bucs took less time to be respectable than this present team does year after year. The Bucs success as an expansion team didn’t last long, yet it was an exciting time as were the late 1990’s until the Supr Bowl win. Now it mostly feels like just blah. Here’s looking to expand for a home win.
October 3rd, 2015 at 4:47 pm
Two ways to look at Lovie. You can compare him to girst ywar head coaches that have instant turnarounds or you can compare him to someone like Ron Riveria who is 3 and 0 with Ted Ginn Jr and greg olsen catching passes with a 32 year old broken rb. Im not a carolina fan just an example.
I personally think this teams core problem starts with the owners. They dont seen to be heavily involved like owners of succesful teams. Involved owners, good drafting and continuity theoughout the organzation. I would like to see what happens in another 2 to 3 seasons with jason and lovie but I think it would have a positive impact if the glazier boys were around and more involved 1 on 1.
October 3rd, 2015 at 4:52 pm
Patience is what a GF tells her BF that wants to hit it. How are you going to have patience when everyone else is getting some?
YUCS preach patience yet other new HC’s with new systems are succeeding.
October 3rd, 2015 at 5:01 pm
As soon as they love winning more than they hate losing it will change. Simple as that.
October 3rd, 2015 at 5:07 pm
Alstott said. “They’re going to be a good team, man. Just be patient.”
Hey Realist…where have I heard that before? Hmmn?
October 3rd, 2015 at 5:10 pm
@1987
People keep claiming that Raheem worked with less. I don’t see it. He had an offensive line, he had WRs, he had RBs, Defense (outside of CBs)…Raheem didn’t do it with less, he did it with more experienced players at key positions…except for Freeman.
October 3rd, 2015 at 5:13 pm
Stop whining.. Gawd, bunch of bitches.
The difference, oh stupid ones- is the players. That how youbcan judge progress.
Dom brought us NO players, except McCoy. Hard to not draft him 3rd.
You crybababies Dont think Mike Evans is a great player? Charles Sims? Safarian-Jenkins? Jameis Winston? Kwon Alexander? Donovan Smith? Ali Marpet?
Thats the process. First you get the players, then you coach them up
Hard to come to this site anymore. Most of you are like a bunch of hateful housewives. Stop pretending you know anything. You dont.
October 3rd, 2015 at 5:35 pm
Yer funny Timmy.
October 3rd, 2015 at 5:36 pm
You don’t have to know anything specific to have an opinion, that’s called free speech.
October 3rd, 2015 at 5:44 pm
@CaptTim … “Thats the process. First you get the players, then you coach them up.”
I won’t pretend that I know anything, but … the ‘difference’ as you call it isn’t JUST the players. It’s the whole enchilada: management, coaches and players.
Been following the Bucs for many, many years and we’ve always had some decent play-makers, just not enough of them. We’ve also had our share of duds obviously. That part can be blamed on ‘management’. Poor drafting isn’t the players fault. Neither is poor FA signings (and we’ve had a bunch of those over the years). Pretty hard for even the best coaches to ‘coach up’ mediocre talent to perform like All-Pro’s, whether that mediocre talent be from the draft or free agency.
In today’s NFL, all the teams look to be competitive normally (unless rebuilding). It’s hard to hide ‘weak links’ … and our Bucs seem to have their share of those, and more.
October 3rd, 2015 at 5:51 pm
You can see one of the main problems and reasons that the Bucs are 31-72 in their last 103 games when you notice that Demar Dotson is the longest tenured Buc at 7 years
October 3rd, 2015 at 6:04 pm
We have some good players. We have some players that will be good. Just takes patience.
October 3rd, 2015 at 6:07 pm
“You crybababies Dont think Mike Evans is a great player? Charles Sims? Safarian-Jenkins? Jameis Winston?”
Yes Tim there is Buc fans on this site that are not impressed with Evans, not many and I’m not one of them, but they are out there. Charles Sims? You’re right most fans on here don’t like him. ASJ? Yes most fans on here don’t like him. Jameis? Well that’s probably around a 70-30 split, 70% like Winston 30% not.
So what I’m essentially saying is you made no point with this sentence. Those “great”players you listed, some of us don’t think they’re so great.
Then again I always thought blog sites were opinion orientated.
October 3rd, 2015 at 6:31 pm
BuccaneerBonzai Says:
October 3rd, 2015 at 6:04 pm
We have some good players. We have some players that will be good. Just takes patience.
The real question is if another coach and/or scheme that has the same exact roster and be far ahead of where Lovie currently is. Next year will be another major turnover on defense, and what we have been told by the cover2-ites is that it takes well over a year to learn. Will this ship ever leave port?????
October 3rd, 2015 at 6:32 pm
ASJ can not be counted on… Lovie is the main issue with this team. Too much control and not enough talent simple as that. Lovie is a horrible game day manager who can not and REFUSES to make in game adjustments. The lovie smith experiment is a FAILURE….
Capt Tim
Lovie is not a proven winner or coach he is a proven mediocre .500 regular season coach who is HORRENDOUS at personnel moves. His track record speaks for itself. 3-3 lifetime playoff in which 2 wins were in his lucky superbowl run which he LOST… His last playoff win 07… hardly a consistent winner nor is he proven anything other than he is mediocre coach, horrible game day manager and horrendous personnel man. Numbers and facts don’t lie. the game has passed lovie bye. Evans is a good player with potential but has not proven he is great yet. Smis is hardly great at anything but catching balls out of the back field. It’s too early to label Donavan Smith, Marpet, Kwon great although they are playing well at times. Winston will be fine when he only has to face one opponent each week right now he has two opponents each week to over come the team we are playing and Lovie smith..
time for patience is over… Lovie must produce wins and prepare his team or be replaced. Lovie made a bad team worse.
October 3rd, 2015 at 7:03 pm
Look if we go on an ugly enough losing streak Lovie IS as good as gone.
Heard it here.
Glazer realize they are on thin ice and the fanbase will revolt to the likes with which they’ve never seen before.
October 3rd, 2015 at 7:08 pm
The “expert” consensus opinion before the draft was that if Lovie and the Bucs drafted a rookie QB and started him from day 1 that it would automatically buy Lovie a third year. We’ll just wait and see
October 3rd, 2015 at 7:12 pm
PRB…like what have fans throw stuff out on the field?
Sounds good to me.
October 3rd, 2015 at 7:13 pm
Lol The “experts” ahahahaha
Gotta love em
October 3rd, 2015 at 7:15 pm
Storming one Buc
Rioting
Burning down one Buc
You know, The usual revolting…
October 3rd, 2015 at 7:29 pm
@buc1987
How about pudding??? because that is how soft the defense is!!!!!
October 3rd, 2015 at 7:37 pm
I can be somewhat patient when they at least look competitive when losing. It doesn’t make me warm and fuzzy about the team and coaches, but I’m not livid like I am when the team gets throttled like they did in week one. Those kinds of complete displays of incompetence from coaches on down to players was what got me all on board with the “fire Morris!” (Year 3 Morris…he gave us hope prior to the year 3 weekly double digit blowout as$ whoopin’s), and I was wound up after the Ravens loss last year becoming part of the “fire Lovie!” Group after the Titans massacre. I’m slightly better after the Texans loss…it was ugly for sure, but it wasn’t “game over after 10 minutes!” like some of Lovie’s spectacular blowouts. So I guess I’d say no more Atlanta, Baltimore, Tennessee type debacles and I can maybe be patient a little while longer…maybe.
October 3rd, 2015 at 8:23 pm
Damn my mother just brought some Pat’s fans from Mass. over my house. Now I hate the Pats even more now, cocky S.O.B.’s.
October 3rd, 2015 at 8:32 pm
Ray Rice lol.. Zactly
October 3rd, 2015 at 8:35 pm
87
I feel your pain. I have cousins who are pats fans. It’s tough to tolerate.
October 3rd, 2015 at 9:57 pm
I’m as frustrated as everyone else.
I” m just saying- you can see the improvement in players, compared to Dom’s bunch.
The future looks brighter. Just gonna take a while to get there.
This cant be fixed in two seasons.
And Yes, Pat Fans are some of biggest Aholes on earth
October 3rd, 2015 at 11:17 pm
Patience is a virtue that doesn’t exist in sports which is why the most common saying is “what have you done for me lately”. I do believe in the process though. The process will go something like this: If the Bucs don’t show marked improvement than we will be in the process of finding a new Head Coach.
October 3rd, 2015 at 11:56 pm
8 – Free Agent
9 – Draft (4 rookies)
3 – Waivers
2 – Practice Squads
1 – UDFA
On quarter of this team is either from waivers, UDFA or practice squads. Four more are rookies. That is just about half of the team. Starting to understand? Oh..I forgot about our kicker..
October 4th, 2015 at 1:52 am
“Process” is just another excuse from One Buc. The team simply has to find a way to win a few games, especially at home and of course the Bucs will find ways to make that difficult as they are “Lovies’ Bucs” and thus make the same mistakes over and over again. 12 men on the field, offsides, holding, illegal procedure/shift, personal fouls, poor clock management, bad special teams, poor challenges, no adjustments at half time, etc, etc…. I am conceding a loss at RJS tomorrow and just hope they can beat the Jags and not let Bortles go ape on them via Julius Thomas; somehow I have a sick feeling in my gut he will have a big game…..
October 4th, 2015 at 3:42 am
BUCS nation is sick and tired of the excuses. This team needs to play more consistent football and stack some wins. I do like a lot of these players and I’m actually excited to see the offense execute. I’m a fan of Jameis, ME13, the RB’s and this line is starting to pass the eye test. I saw defensive players play great in one game and terrible in another. Better than last year but it’s time to make some plays and prove they can complete on every play, through the friggin whistle for 60 minutes.
We are all at a crossroads, players, coaches and fans. Bucs organization either learns to win right now or there will be changes, period. I really hope they come out and play throwback buccaneers D – fast, fun, passionate defense that is rallying to the ball, hittin everything moving.
We only have to wait a few more hours to see that progress everyone is talking about… Let’s see it! Bust Cam in the mouth, protect our dirt and get that home win. BLOW THAT A-TRAIN WHISTLE AND FIRE THEM CANNONS! GO BUCS!