Slow Snaps Something New
September 16th, 2015
Lollipop snaps to America’s Quarterback are a new problem.
Joe got this a lot since the Titanic loss to the Titans Sunday.
And that was feedback from fans about the snaps of Bucs veteran center Evan (nee: Dietrich-) Smith.
Not known for being a stalwart center, and known more for tough talk and not as tough play, it sure seemed like Smith’s shotgun snaps to America’s Quarterback, Bucs signal-caller Jameis Winston, were less than direct.
Given how Jameis doesn’t exactly have the release (yet) of Dan Marino, split seconds add up. With lollipop snaps or snaps with less than enough mustard on them, it puts Jameis in a greater bind.
Apparently, this is a new issue, so Bucs offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter said today when asked about Smith’s snaps.
“He did have a couple that were [slow],” Koetter said. “There was a couple of times [the Titans] rushed Evan hard to his off-snapping hand so he was really focusing on getting that [free] hand up. So a couple of those balls did float a little. That has not been an issue. That did happen a couple of times in the game.”
Well now, that’s just something else to watch. If fans sitting at the bar watching the game noticed those snaps from Smith, then you can bet that Bad Santa Rob Ryan, the extroverted Saints defensive coordinator has seen them.
So don’t be surprised if the Saints charge Smith in shotgun formation, hoping to screw up the snap (again), which paints Jameis into a corner.
September 16th, 2015 at 2:36 pm
Jameis is as slow as mud, so he needs the extra split second to read and react. If this guy can’t get him the ball quickly, then find somebody who can
September 16th, 2015 at 2:37 pm
NEVER WILL HAVE DAN MARINO RELEASE, NATURALLY SLOW, WONT CHANGE…AND…SLOW SNAPS FOR SLOW QB = FAST DECLINE INTO THE BUCCANEER ABYSS…”simple as that”…
September 16th, 2015 at 2:38 pm
Well there’s only one thing I now know for certain.
No matter what happens in N.O. it will NEVER be Fameis fault.
1.) The worst OL in the league..even though Seattle surrendered six sacks to our four..two if you count Fameis fumbles and recoveries…
2.) Bad snaps from center
3.) Incompetent receivers who are never open( an excuse that might actually have merit btw) I had to watch on TV were our receivers covered like blankets?
Those at the game could tell I couldn’t.
4.) He’s only a rookie!
5.) NFL backjudge who has it in for the Bucs and continually breaks wind right as we snap the ball thereby distracting Fameis.
Perhaps we can start a David Letterman top ten list….
The top ten reasons it cannot possibly be Fameis fault…..
September 16th, 2015 at 2:43 pm
So SPBF can we put you in the camp that will blame Jameis for everything?
Yea, Dilfer and Ian, two guys that actually played the game, said that the route on teh first pick was UNACCEPTABELE. But SPBF says its Jameis’ fault so I guess it is
The snaps were getting there slowly — so says the offensive coordinator. But SPBF says that Jameis should use The Force to get the ball there quicker. Obviously Jameis’ fault
September 16th, 2015 at 2:44 pm
This is not a news flash! Glad the geniuses at one buc are seeing what numerous commenters were discussing in the preseason when we asked for Warren to start. This info was readily available weeks ago. EDS is useless!
September 16th, 2015 at 2:48 pm
Koetter’s professional enough to not call out Smith but anyone who watched Mariota’s center perform a shotgun snap saw every time, a FAST, chin level delivered snap almost str8 to Mariota’s face. Our starting center, delivered half assed glorified wrist flicked shotgun “snaps” in an attempt to get out of his stance quicker. They took noticeably longer to get to Jameis and barely made it to his WAIST LEVEL. He’s just not built to be a starting center, PERIOD. You can’t be good with snaps under center but not from the shotgun. Relegate him to guard duty (which he never should have been moved from to begin with,m and start Warren or Hawley. OR package deal Smith and Glennon for a plug and play established pass rusher, come off a draft pick if needed to go along with the two and seal the deal.
September 16th, 2015 at 2:48 pm
Just another Smith that needs to go
September 16th, 2015 at 2:50 pm
@BrianBucs..
J.Smith-DE and D.Smith are fine…all other Smiths must go…”simple as that”…
September 16th, 2015 at 2:50 pm
Before the bucs pay banks a bunch and the fans jump on my post. I’d like to say again that the bucs should trade banks,martin,eds,mankins, and vjax. Some of those players are on their last year anyway and all of them can fetch good picks.
Banks is not a #1 corner but can be serviceable with a stud opposite him. Martin will not break the bank w/ the bucs but this is what he’ll want to do to stay. With so many injuries around the league at wr Vjax can fetch a good draft pick
September 16th, 2015 at 2:53 pm
@Creamsickle
So SPBF can we put you in the camp that will blame Jameis for everything?
Of course not. That would be hyperbole! I haven’t given up on him yet. But I also do not believe he’s going to get any better if we simply look the other way.
There was soooo much blame to go around in Sunday’s disaster! Agree with all that it starts at the top…the Glazers…next in line is Lovie…then the defensive players..especially the “stars”…and then Fameis. I’m not going to go specific with Fameis flaws on Sunday or 87 will have a cow.
But what IS frightening is his history…ints..slow starts…this is beginning to look like a rerun. But the kid has a GREAT attitude…the attitude of a winner..and I do not believe he has any quit in him…we can build on that.
But at some point if the physical challenges cannot be worked out…I’m hopeful they can. It’s obviously to soon to pull the plug but a little panic at this point should be understandable to anybody who watched that game.
September 16th, 2015 at 2:54 pm
@Joe … “which paints Jameis into a corner.”
Seriously? Evan Smith is now responsible for Jameis’ poor performance?
Jameis did enough to paint himself into a corner all game long, starting with his first pass. The OLine did a decent job of protecting him. Winston may have all the confidence in the world but his performance Sunday was poor … very, very poor. No way that he’s ready for the big time at this point.
September 16th, 2015 at 2:58 pm
In the three days of non-stop analysis of that debacle from both national and local sources, that’s the first Joe heard of that.
Not even the Bucs believe that, and they would be the first to point out if the o-line had a good day.
(Marpet did have a good day).
September 16th, 2015 at 2:58 pm
Tampa fans are seeing that you value your players more than the rest of the league. The only players that are worth being mentioned are McCoy & Vjax. The Bucs need dogs on this team to many quite men on this team being voted captain. I would make a real hard run for Kam Chancellor to lead the defense w/ McDougald at safety. Kwon and LVD(since he was overpaid for being such a good guy) at LB. The DT are set with Johnson at one end spot and you need another opposite him. That small speedy cat there now should be a rotational DE and the reast of the DE should be cut or traded if you could get anything
September 16th, 2015 at 2:59 pm
Well that’s good to hear SPBF —
I for one am sick of all these dudes telling Jameis to pipe down and wait for the leadership to come. Jameis is a winner and an alpha male and the current “faces of the franchise” or a bunch of freaking losers. I’m sick of it
I want a dude to stand up on the cafeteria table and yell F-the saints-RITP
September 16th, 2015 at 3:03 pm
Every player that Lovie has let go were underachiever’s w/ the bucs and either played better to stay in the nfl or are out if not almost out of the league. Lovie should focus on being HC & let warhop,Frazier, and Cullen go. Hire a D-coach who will get in those d-players and can adopt Lovies version of cover-2 to his own style. Like Rivera did with Lovie in chicago.
September 16th, 2015 at 3:09 pm
The pick 6 was totally on jameis. Not only is it a throw he never should have made (wr was covered) he threw it right at the db! He damn near placed the ball obly where the db could get it and in stride which is why it was a pick 6. I dont care what ian and dilfer said I saw it with my own eyes. Jameis tried to make something out of nothing and it backfired. Im glad hes not giving up working hard etc but he needs to be working on mechanics just as much as film study.
September 16th, 2015 at 3:10 pm
SPBF…A little panic over JW after one game is…understandable. That would be fine if it was just a little panic. But you’ve yet to shut up about him since Sunday so why stop now. The game was 3 days ago. On one post you’ll say well it was only his first game and on the next post you’re attacking him for that only one game.
Typical SPBF style. One day he’s all in for JW and the next day he’s panicking a little and it’s understandable of course. Just jump off his bandwagon already and make it quick. Why dilly dally around with it. Jump, jump already.
September 16th, 2015 at 3:10 pm
Verner should be the starting nickel back who can go outside if needed.The Bucs don’t have the worst coaching staff in the nfl except for a few, which is why so many around the nfl are so surprised. You need a speed reciever opposite Evans and a powerback. DT are set LB’s are set, one DE is set(johnson), and one safety position is set(McDougald)
September 16th, 2015 at 3:11 pm
Ed…both picks were his fault.
September 16th, 2015 at 3:15 pm
Jameis is the qb so stop with the nonsense, he is better than that. Mariota played a simplified offensive gameplan and Winston played a vet gameplan. The Bucs D was horrible and the titans was ok and Jameis still threw two td’s on it. Mariota’s td’s came on runs after catch so calm down.
September 16th, 2015 at 3:15 pm
Yes i know that but the post above was trying to blame the poor route. It may very well have been a bad route but he locked on and then his slow delivery and bad ball placement made it easy pickings.
September 16th, 2015 at 3:18 pm
I THOUGHT EVERYONE WAS GONNA LET JAMEIS BE A ROOKIE AND GIVE LOVIE THIS SEASON, WHAT HAPPENED?
September 16th, 2015 at 3:21 pm
If simplifed gameplans lead to a perfect qb rating please put jameis on it not the vet gameplan.
September 16th, 2015 at 3:26 pm
Newbucsfan…even if I wasn’t a JW fan, I’d let him be a rookie. Rookies tend to throw a lot of picks. The funny part about all this is that almost everyone that thinks Mariota is going to be a star like they said, won’t even consider how poor the TB defense played against him. It never crosses their minds. It was just one game and one game only and they were right and everyone else was wrong. After ONE game. That’s what makes me smh the most.
Like I said earlier if Mariota goes out and has a HORRIBLE game vs the Browns. These Mariota clinging Buc fans will be nowhere to be found on this site. You can bank on that. Then if he has a good game the next week. They’ll be back running their keyboards again.
September 16th, 2015 at 3:27 pm
They signed that Hawley dude who was cut by Atlanta. Listening to him talk, it sounded like he expects to be starting soon. Where?
September 16th, 2015 at 3:29 pm
Look, there were some positives to take away from last Sunday’s game. Marpet looked great and…… Correction: There was a positive from last Sunday’s game.
September 16th, 2015 at 3:32 pm
lol cmurda.
Put all the negatives on one side of the scale and Marpet on the other and the negative side will break the scale.
September 16th, 2015 at 3:35 pm
Good news and bad news.
Good news.
Jameis is NOT why the Buccaneers lost.
Bad news.
He is part of this team and the TEAM is responsible for this loss (coaches to the front of the line, please).
Bad news.
I thought I was watching McCown on Sunday in a Buc uniform again. I dare say his stats would have been very similar.
Good news. While McCown is a ten year veteran, and will never get any better, Jameis is a rookie, and open to being molded into a premier QB.
Good news.
This was only the first game of the season.
Bad news.
No one could tell whether or not we were watching a re-run from last year with Titans uniforms photo-shopped onto the screen.
Calm down. ‘Real’ football doesn’t start until November. We have plenty of time to stock up on bricks (for the TV) and liquor (which is why we will be stupid enough to throw bricks at our TVs).
September 16th, 2015 at 3:35 pm
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September 16th, 2015 at 3:38 pm
Evan Smith floated at least 75% in shotgun. More than a couple. But what else could Koetter say. For all you Jameis haters, if you put Mariota in a Bucs uniform on Sunday, he would have looked about the same.
September 16th, 2015 at 3:46 pm
We can’t even find a guy to perform the first thing that happens at the beginning of every play well?
September 16th, 2015 at 3:54 pm
Why don’t we get rid of this guy and start J.Warren. Plus we got this new center who will be backing him up. I don’t know about getting rid of all these players. Players like VJax and Mankins might as well retire after their careers here. If Doug looks good, might as well resign him. Look at all the other RB’s we got on this team. None would start for any team. However Doug could go somewhere that actually had a line and would make us regret not keeping him. Let go of Banks? Sure he got beat a few times the other day, but he has been the only CB steadily improving in this defense. He is tied with the highest total of INTs for CBs coming out the same year he did. Last year had the most INTs on the team. Im down on the team, but I wouldn’t blow the team apart and start from scratch. I originally thought we were going 7-9, but now thats a big reach. I hope Lovie doesn’t make it unless he makes 7-9. I do like the idea of Koetter being the head coach. I can actually listen to him. He doesn’t beat around the bush. We should keep him as coach and have him bring in a DC that is actually up to speed in todays NFL.
September 16th, 2015 at 3:59 pm
The 2014 Bucs offseason will go down as one of the worst in sports.
FA bust after FA bust? Check.
Hired a totally incompetent coach who has set the franchise even further back than it already was? Check.
Don’t actually have a true GM in place by giving the incompetent coach full control? Check
Poor draft picks galore? Check
Just an utter disaster. Here’s hoping a new coach and GM in 2016 will do significantly better.
September 16th, 2015 at 4:00 pm
Marcus Mariota is a bust, the only good game he will ever have is the game he had against the Bucs in week 1.
September 16th, 2015 at 4:56 pm
The excuses for Evans begin. By mid season he will be replaced as starter.
September 16th, 2015 at 5:01 pm
I will ‘assume’ that Joe Cool is writing with a heavy dose of sarcasm.
To declare Mariota a “bust” after ONE game (in which he set a NFL record) is as stupid as saying Winston is a bust after a characteristically ‘rookie-type’ first game. Chances are VERY slim that we will know (for sure) until they have a full 2-3 seasons on their resume’.
September 16th, 2015 at 5:05 pm
cmurda
I thought Doug Martin was also running hard
September 16th, 2015 at 5:09 pm
the bucs should wear the white and orange unis until they win a game…GO BUCS!!!
September 16th, 2015 at 5:10 pm
Wow, have to say I called this during the preseason. His snaps are painful to watch. I believe Jameis is actually having to stop his drop back to wait on the ball and even reach for it on a couple occasions. Pro Centers should know how to snap the ball. We are truly a mess
September 16th, 2015 at 5:16 pm
MF went from bowling ball snaps to rainbow snaps. WTF! Just hike the ball directly at the MF QB you piece of $hit center. The whole timing of the play is thrown off with his bull$hit.
September 16th, 2015 at 6:25 pm
Peyton Manning wouldn’t put up with those snaps.
Winston should tell him “Hey! I’m not calling you by your name until you learn how to snap that effing ball!”
September 16th, 2015 at 7:18 pm
LOL!!
September 16th, 2015 at 8:09 pm
Already getting you “next game Jameis excuses” lined up. Eh, Joe ?
September 16th, 2015 at 9:11 pm
Dare I say trade Vincent Jackson to the Dallas Cowboys for a piece of that great O-line? I’m comfortable with Evans and ASJ taking the majority of the targets from Winston. Dallas is in win now mode.. why not?
September 16th, 2015 at 9:42 pm
What is with you guys? Who cares whether Mariota is a bust or all pro. Who really cares how he plays against the Browns. Neither team is even in our Conference for gawds sake. Why should we care?
I’m concerned about the Bucs. JW will have a dramatic impact on our game against N.O. this Sunday. MM will not have one iota of effect on OUR game.
Shouldn’t we be focused on Fameis and forget about MM.
September 17th, 2015 at 1:43 am
I’d actually be all for trading VJax to Dallas for a 2nd round pick, or maybe a 3rd rounder combined with a starting offensive lineman. Dez Bryant is gone and they have the talent to win this year with a Pro Bowl WR. Why not? I’m sure VJax would appreciate the chance to get a ring before he rides into the sunset. He sure isn’t getting one in Tampa.
At least such a trade would give us two capable o-linemen (Marpet is the only one on our roster at the moment). Dallas is deep with o-linemen. In fact I’d say their second string line could outplay the Bucs starting unit. That’s how bad the Bucs are right now.
Hate to say it but Lovie will always have bad o-lines. It’s his signature. Can a leopard change his spots? Can Lovie formulate a game plan? If those two things can happen I’ll give the benefit of the doubt that Lovie can field a competent o-line at some point in his career. If not, don’t bet on it.